Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion

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XFD backlog

V	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Total
CfD	0	0	0	0	0
TfD	0	1	13	0	14
MfD	0	0	8	0	8
FfD	0	0	3	0	3
RfD	0	0	34	0	34
AfD	0	0	32	0	32

Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.

• If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
• If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
• If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
• Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When to delete a redirect for more information.)

Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.

Before listing a redirect for discussion

Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:

• Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
• Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
• Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
• Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.

The guiding principles of RfD

• The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
• Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
• If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
• Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
• RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
• Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
• In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.

When to delete a redirect

Further information: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Common outcomes and Wikipedia:Moving a page § Moving over a redirect

The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:

• a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
• if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").

Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.

Reasons for deleting

See also: Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion § Redirects

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):

1. The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles" (itself a redirect to "Article"), it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
2. The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
3. The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
4. The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
5. The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
6. It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
7. If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
8. If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
9. If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the suppressredirect user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
10. If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
11. If the redirect ends in "(disambiguation)" but does not target a disambiguation page or a page performing a disambiguation-like function (such as a set index of articles). Speedy deletion criterion G14 may apply.

Reasons for not deleting

However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

1. They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
2. They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
3. They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
4. Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. Please tag these with {{R from old history}}. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
5. Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
6. The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.

Neutrality of redirects

Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}.

Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:

1. Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. ClimategateClimategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
2. Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumorBarack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
3. The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "AttorneygateAttorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled 2006 dismissal of U.S. attorneys. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.

The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.

Closing notes

Details at Administrator instructions for RfD

Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).

How to list a redirect for discussion

STEP I.	Tag the redirect(s).   Enter {{subst:rfd|content= at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion and enter }} at the very end of the page. Please do not mark the edit as minor (m). Please include in the edit summary the phrase: Nominated for RfD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]. Save the page ("Publish changes"). If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page. If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the RfD tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination. If it is an inline template, use |showontransclusion=tiny instead. If you are nominating multiple redirects as a group, repeat all the above steps for each redirect being nominated and specify on {{rfd}} the nomination's group heading from Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion
STEP II.	List the entry on RfD.  Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries. Enter this text below the date heading: {{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.}} ~~~~ For this template: Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=. Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=). Please use an edit summary such as: Nominating [[RedirectName]] (replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating). To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects: {{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName1|target=TargetArticle1}} {{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}} {{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}} ~~~~ If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add {{Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD}} directly after the rfd2 template. If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
STEP III.	Notify users.   It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the respective redirect(s). For convenience, the template {{subst:Rfd notice|RedirectName}} ~~~~ may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]] Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages.

• Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.

Current list

July 6

Muƹawiya

• Muƹawiya → Mu'awiya I  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I cannot find this usage anywhere else on the internet, though it's possible google is failing me due to the weird character. I don't believe ƹ and ' are reasonably interchangeable in this manner, though I am not a linguist and will gladly be corrected by someone who knows this area better than me. Rusalkii (talk) 04:03, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

271,000

• 271,000 → Holocaust denial  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Highly unlikely that this number is only relevent to this topic. Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 03:28, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

July 5

Ingénieur

• Ingénieur → Engineer  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per WP:FORRED, it’s not valid. Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:42, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep Mentioned at target 9ninety (talk) 06:39, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

  On further thought, possibly refine to Engineer#France, the specific section which talks about the title. 9ninety (talk) 15:59, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

  In Quebec, it is a protected term, thus, refining isn't good. We just need to source it for the "Ing." of Quebec to be added. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 22:13, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 18:02, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Comment following up on @65.93.183.249's comment, I have drafted a dab page for Ingénieur, although I'm not entirely sure if it meets the criteria for a dab page. Any thoughts? 9ninety (talk) 07:27, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I've also added an entry about the related term Ingenieur in German (edit: and Dutch) 9ninety (talk) 07:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Further comment: If my dab proposal is accepted, Ingenieur (which currently redirects to Engineer's degree#Netherlands) can also be retargeted to the new dab, as I've added four entries related to it. 9ninety (talk) 10:16, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the proposed dab?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 23:40, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep, don't DAB. French is spoken in dozens of countries and localities (for example) and if we add German and Dutch, the list only grows longer. It seems wrong to highlight only a few countries on the DAB page and compiling a more complete list of usage in every country and national subdivision is not particularly encyclopedic. Better to send readers to Engineer where they can find a comprehensive treatment of the topic. Content on other countries can be added to Engineer as appropriate. Since this is used as a title in many places, it's plausible readers would encounter this in English-language sources and want to look it up but we shouldn't assume usage is restricted to the locations we have listed at the draft DAB. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 01:34, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Astro Premier League 2

• Astro Premier League 2 → Astro (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Astro Premier League is mentioned, but not Astro Premier League 2. Rusalkii (talk) 22:28, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Islamic State provinces

• Islamic State – Hijaz Province → Islamic State – Saudi Arabia Province  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Islamic State – Green Brigade Province → Islamic State – Yemen Province  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I think these are translations of sub-organizations? Neither is mentioned in the target. I am not confident these shouldn't redirect here, but they have been languishing in the back of the queue for months so nominating these to get wider community input. Rusalkii (talk) 22:26, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

• Hijaz Wilayah also exists, but is probably not similar enough to bundle. Rusalkii (talk) 22:31, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Big Challenges

• Big Challenges → List of Sanrio characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target or anywhere else onwiki. Rusalkii (talk) 21:23, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete. This character is not revelant enough, so he shouldn't have a page or mention. I am JustAWaddleDee (talk) 00:14, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Weak keep: I have added a sourced mention. Duckmather (talk) 01:29, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

2.725

• 2.725 → Cosmic microwave background#Features  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"The CMB has a thermal black body spectrum at a temperature of 2.72548±0.00057 K", but I'm not convinced this enough to redirect from a number to the article. Under which circumstances would this be used? A search for the number gives primarily random bits of arithmetic, product numbers and dimensions, case law, and similar. Rusalkii (talk) 21:11, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete There is no purpose to this redirect. Johnjbarton (talk) 00:23, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: almost seems to be an implausible redirect, per WP:R3. Praemonitus (talk) 04:01, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Baijiahao

• Baijiahao → Baidu  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Baidu's content creation platform. Not mentioned in target or anywhere onwiki except in citations. May merit a mention, but is confusing as-is. Rusalkii (talk) 21:08, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Chlodwig

• Chlodwig → Louis (given name)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm open to keeping the status quo, redirecting to Clovis (given name), or other alternatives. I was at Luigi, followed the link to Chlodwig and was "astonished" to read the opening line of Louis (given name) which contains the very similar name Chlodowig which is a piped link to Clovis (given name), and wondered why these don't point to the same place. Louis may, indeed, be the better target but it's not obvious to me. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 20:56, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, or Retarget to Chlodwig, Prince of Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst. There is absolutely no reason to have redirects created from every ancient form of every given name; that's just absurd. That's why we have the "Search" function (in addition to the "Go" function) in the search field, to locate all instances of the term, not just the one Neelix happened to turn his obsessive and nonsensical brain to. Softlavender (talk) 22:06, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

  My hesitation is that it is used in two articles where it is linked with reference to the name, and none in reference to this or any other individual named Chlodwig. A Google search turns up a variety of references, including to the fellow you linked and to Clovis I aka, apparently, Chlodwig. I take your point about not creating redirects for every variant of a name that has ever been attested, but where a redirect is used in article space in this way, I'm inclined to keep or redirect to a more appropriate given name, but not retarget to a specific individual that no editor has linked mononymously this way. A DAB page would be better than this. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 23:50, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

C4SS

• Center for a Stateless Society → Market anarchism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• C4SS → Market anarchism#The Center for a Stateless Society  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The Center for a Stateless Society is no longer discussed anywhere on Wikipedia, except for being listed in a list of libertarian organizations. I would propose deleting these redirects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aŭstriano (talk • contribs) 03:03, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. It's worth a mention in market anarchism based on this source. czar 15:51, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
• 'Retarget "C4SS" to Metropolitan University Prague, where the 'Center for Security Studies' (C4SS) is mentioned. If a mention for the Center for a Stateless Society returns, it could be turned into a disambiguation page. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 05:27, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep the first and Disambiguate the second. I added a mention of them to the article. lethargilistic (talk) 00:46, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 20:43, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

High House Shadow

• High House Shadow → Malazan Book of the Fallen#Cards and Tiles  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. Not mentioned in the target article or in any other article. Was an unreferenced article that was redirected in 2014. Mika1h (talk) 07:33, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

• Restore and delete at AfD. Jay 💬 08:53, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 20:42, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Parachute (EP)

• Parachute (EP) → Hellogoodbye  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Parachute e.p. → Hellogoodbye  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• The Parachute → Hellogoodbye  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It's not clear why this redirects here - it isn't mentioned. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:00, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment The history here is a bit complicated. In June 2006 an article about an EP by this name was created at The Parachute by user:Russ is the sex, it was nominated for speedy deletion about two hours later, but that was declined and converted to a prod. That prod was accompanied by (but not replaced by) a suggestion to merge to hellogoodbye from the original author, which the speedy deletion nominator (HarryCane, who hasn't edited since 2011) indicated in an edit summary they had done. In 2007 The Parachute was retargetted to The parachute1 which was later moved to The Parachute (novel), which was speedily deleted in 2008 as a G11 (although it didn't indicate notability it didn't seem overly promotional to me), leading to the redirect being speedily deleted under R1 (today's G8). Meanwhile in April 2007 J r glenn created Parachute e.p. as an article, which was moved to Parachute (EP) by Brianga a few minutes later. The following day, HarryCane redirected it citing the "consensus in the edit history of The Parachute". Thryduulf (talk) 12:57, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
• Note I've added Parachute e.p. to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 12:57, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep if mention is added, otherwise delete. If the content of either former article can be verified (I haven't looked) then it should be added as 1-2 sentences at the target, then both redirects should point to that mention. Otherwise it should be deleted. I'm not advocating a restoration of the article content on this occasion as the first article was prodded without objection and the second didn't add anything new, but if anyone else thinks it should be restored then I will support that and my "delete" recommendation should be regarded as invalid in that cirumstance. Thryduulf (talk) 12:57, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
• Comment The Parachute (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) should be bundled here. If these are kept, the edit history for the former article that was merged away should be restored as a redirect with history that was merged -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 03:06, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Restored and bundled The Parachute.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 18:14, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

• Is there any reason why The Parachute isn't listed at Hellogoodbye#Extended plays or elsewhere in their discography? It has an entry at Last.fm but I don't find much else online that would establish notability. I'm with Thryduulf, if there's enough to support its inclusion, it should be added to the article and the redirects should be kept but I'm not coming up with much so lean delete otherwise. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 21:15, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Inscript

• Inscript → InScript keyboard  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Dabify or hatnote with inscription? Ninixed (talk) 02:19, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Inscriptional

• Inscriptional → Vox-ATypI classification#The Inscriptionals  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Shouldn't it have the same target of inscription? Ninixed (talk) 02:18, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Influencer Smurf

• Influencer Smurf → Smurfs (film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Meme about a smurf from the trailer of this movie, not mentioned in the target page. Possibly merits a mention (see e.g. [1] [2]), in which case the redirect should be kept, but I believe the character was replaced for the actual movie. Rusalkii (talk) 19:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 12:38, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to List of The Smurfs characters as {{R from list entry}}. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:43, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

  The table there has 117 smurfs listed, but not one of them is cited. I have added nom's source there though. Jay 💬 09:28, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

  The skinny is that Influencer Smurf has been canceled.^[3] Xe has allegedly been replaced in the trailer by Vanity Smurf.^[4] Perhaps there is a story here that is worth including somewhere, but until such story is available, the redirect (whether to Smurfs (film) or List of The Smurfs characters) is not helpful. See also WP:CRYSTAL.  ​‑‑Lambiam 13:23, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 03:24, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, obviously. No articles link to Influencer Smurf. The term is nowhere to be found on the target page, so following the link (like from Category:Internet memes introduced in 2025) will only result in a confusing waste of time.  ​‑‑Lambiam 11:52, 25 June 2025 (UTC) Moved from the May 27 page (where the redirect was originally nominated) by Thryduulf (talk) 12:05, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Retarget to List of The Smurfs characters now that this has been added with supporting references. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 21:34, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Maggie Weinroth

• Maggie Weinroth → Colorado State Fair  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target, useless. K1 does not apply because this should never have been an article in the first place and it has no useful history. 204.111.137.20 (talk) 03:14, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

I think you mean WP:G1? Thepharoah17 (talk) 05:41, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@Thepharoah17 I assume they mean WP:RFD#KEEP. Rusalkii (talk) 06:08, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Oh ok thanks. Thepharoah17 (talk) 06:12, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

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List of Lebanon women's international footballers

• Karly Harfouche → List of Lebanon women's international footballers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Cybelle Al Ghoul → List of Lebanon women's international footballers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Amal Salha → List of Lebanon women's international footballers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Souad Takash → List of Lebanon women's international footballers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Assile Toufaily → List of Lebanon women's international footballers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Melanie Ghanime → List of Lebanon women's international footballers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Yasmin Sardouk → List of Lebanon women's international footballers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Saria Al Sayegh → List of Lebanon women's international footballers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Outside of the scope of the List article (10+ caps for the Lebanon national team). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:34, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

• Admins: please do not close this as soft delete: these discussions should be paused/relisted until the scope of the article is determined by consensus. See my comment here. Cremastra (talk) 17:39, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

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Carla Abdel Khalek

• Carla Abdel Khalek → List of Lebanon women's international footballers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Outside of the scope of the List article (10+ caps for the Lebanon national team). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:33, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete - no good target, she is mentioned in multiple articles. Jay 💬 15:15, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
• Admins: please do not close this as delete: these discussions should be paused/relisted until the scope of the article is determined by consensus. See my comment here. Cremastra (talk) 17:39, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

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Aya El Boukhary

• Aya El Boukhary → List of Lebanon women's international footballers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Outside of the scope of the List article (10+ caps for the Lebanon national team). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:33, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Admins: please do not close this as soft delete: these discussions should be paused/relisted until the scope of the article is determined by consensus. See my comment here. Cremastra (talk) 17:39, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

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Cecile Iskandar

• Cecile Iskandar → List of Lebanon women's international footballers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Outside of the scope of the List article (10+ caps for the Lebanon national team). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:33, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Admins: please do not close this as soft delete: these discussions should be paused/relisted until the scope of the article is determined by consensus. See my comment here. Cremastra (talk) 17:39, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

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Rida Wahab

• Rida Wahab → List of Lebanon women's international footballers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Outside of the scope of the List article (10+ caps for the Lebanon national team). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:33, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

@Nehme1499 It wasn't outside the scope until you made this summary-less edit without prior talk page discussion or indeed any explanation. This and all discussions on these redirects should be paused until a talk page discussion determines the scope of the article. Cremastra (talk) 17:38, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

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Foot play

• Foot play → Flirting  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

this can refer to A) footsies (in which case this should be targeting footsies or B) foot fetish (in which case this should be targeting foot fetishism). either way, this current target is just inappropriate for either options User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 08:09, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

• Disambig. There is also Figures of Argentine tango#Foot play (which could do with a better-phrased introduction). Most of the other hits are either collocations which don't belong on the dab page, or playing off the front or back foot in cricket which may merit a link to Footwork (cricket) but I'm unsure. Thryduulf (talk) 18:12, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Dabify per Thryduulf --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:06, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Sir Peter Pindar

• Sir Peter Pindar → Thomas Chaloner (naturalist)#Alum manufacture  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The section that may have mentioned Peter Pindar is now missing. Thomas Chaloner (naturalist) can apparently be confused with his cousin Thomas Chaloner (courtier) (whose article mentions Paul Pindar), both being involved with alum. Without a mention this redirect is confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:28, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Sedevacantist Antipope

• Sedevacantist Antipope → Conclavism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Sedevacantist Antipopes → Conclavism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Sedevacantist antipope → Conclavism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Sedevacantist antipopes → Conclavism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The two contradict eachother, Sedevacantism is the view that since 1958 there hasn't been any True Popes, Conclavists are people who claim to be Catholic who've elected their own Popes, beleiving that they're successors to Saint Peter. The only similarity is that they both hold that all the Claimants to the Papacy since 1958/The Second Vatican Council are Antipopes. But Sedevacantists also hold that the Conclavist claimants to the Papacy are to Antipopes. Reason 5 says that if a Redirect makes no snese it can be deleted, since this redirect makes no snense it needs to be deleted Olek Novy (talk)

Plain rice

• Plain rice → Rice  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Whatever this redirect is meant to represent, I do not believe that the generic article about Rice is the appropriate target. If anything, this phrase most likely refers to Rice as food, but even that is unclear. Maybe be best to delete this thing. Steel1943 (talk) 21:02, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

I think redirecting to Rice as Food makes more sense -- in that its descriptive of the thing being consumed (it's plain") rather than of the species or the product. Sadads (talk) 22:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

In British usage, "Plain rice" (white steamed rice) is distinguished from "fried rice" or other "special" (with shrimp, etc) rice dishes. All this should be in Rice as food. Chiswick Chap (talk) 04:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Retarget to rice as food. "Plain" need not be mentioned there, since its meaning is obvious, particularly in contrast with the not-plain varieties mentioned in the target. Nyttend (talk) 07:06, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget Cooked rice. Article is specifically about the served dish & not the broad concept of "rice as food". And "plain" is mentioned. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 03:06, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

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Retarget to Cooked rice as per Hyphenation. The article actually does talk about the dish in question and is thus the better target, compared with Rice as food. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:48, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Elon Musk 2028 presidential campaign

• Elon Musk 2028 presidential campaign → 2028 United States presidential election#Eligibility  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP:CRYSTALBALL, there is no mention that Musk is going for US President in 2028 A1Cafel (talk) 09:10, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete per nom drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ 12:48, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep And there doesn't necessarily have to be. The bar for a redirect is very low. If anybody was wondering if Musk was or could run for president, it just redirects to the part of the 2028 United States presidential election article that says he can't. The section mentions HE specifically. I don't see the problem here at all. _pbp 13:36, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete — Musk cannot run for president in 2028, full stop. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 15:49, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@ElijahPepe:'s vote doesn't have any deletion rationale and as such should be disregarded by the closing nom. It is based on a (likely-inaccurate) assumption that everybody knows that Elon is ineligible for the presidency and doesn't take into account how low the floor is for redirect creation. Even hoaxes can have articles, let alone redirects. _pbp 16:34, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

So hasty to try to win an argument. This redirect does not serve any purpose because the subject doesn't exist and won't exist, even as a hoax. This cannot be used in an article. In addition, it assumes that there is a connection between Musk and the 2028 election that does not exist. Elon Musk 2032 presidential campaign is not an article or a redirect because there is no coverage on the subject, real or not. Pageviews shows only 36 views since March. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:43, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Redirects need not have possibilities to be retained. And there IS significant coverage in reliable sources discussing Elon Musk's presidential eligibility. And of course Elon Musk 2032 doesn't exist: election and campaign articles don't exist two cycles out. Pageviews suggest that people ARE looking for a term; pageviews would have to be basically 0 to justify deletion on page views. Again, I'm not seeing much understanding of the relevant policies here. _pbp 17:14, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep as per pbp. If we have relevant information, let's direct readers to it. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:52, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep basically per pbp and 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫. There is some chatter in the ether, the target discusses this, and redirects are cheap. That we already know he's ineligible isn't really the bar here. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 21:41, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete even if redirects were allow for non existing presidential campaign, Elon is not even from the United States, which would make him ineligible to run anyways. Fad8229 (talk) 00:38, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. Extremely unlikely search term. Why would anyone search this and why would they expect to see general information about eligiblity Esolo5002 (talk) 00:58, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

EU's

• EU's → European Union  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Seems ambiguous, as it means anything that is related to EU, not EU itself A1Cafel (talk) 09:09, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Tail wing

• Tail wing → Empennage  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Tail-wing → Tailplane  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These should point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

• Probably target both to empennage, which includes a section on tail planes, or disambiguate. Cremastra (talk) 15:16, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
• It could also refer to a canard or a delta wing. I suggest disambiguating. Carguychris (talk) 17:28, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Are any of these referred to as tail "wing"? Also, aren't canard and delta wing tailless? Jay 💬 10:02, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

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Main pages

• Main pages → Home page  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I was expecting this to lead to Main page (disambiguation) (which does link to the current target). I would have boldly retargetted there, as home pages are not the only type of main page, but (apart from short-lived vandalism in 2016 and 2024) it has been stable since creation in 2014. Obviously singular and plural usually lead to the same content, but I don't think targetting the Main Page would be helpful here. Thryduulf (talk) 02:35, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Main page (disambiguation) per nom. Xoontor (talk) 16:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep as Home page is the broad-concept article for the concept of main pages as google quickly reveals. Duckmather (talk) 02:16, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

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• If Home page was as Duckmather suggests then Main page (disambiguation) wouldn't exist, it clearly does exist and covers topics not mentioned at Home page so we should retarget to the dab which matches the search term rather than the broad concept article that doesn't. Thryduulf (talk) 08:29, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Retarget per nom. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ 12:49, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Main page (disambiguation) per nom and others. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 21:46, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

End of Life on Earth

• End of Life on Earth → Tinchy Stryder  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I was very surprised to end up at this target where the term is not mentioned. Both Tinchy Stryder videography and List of songs recorded by Tinchy Stryder mention that this is the title of one of his albums and expect an article about it to be at End of Life on Earth (2012 album), although that title has never existed. Where should it target though? End of the world, Mass extinction, Global catastrophic risk and Global catastrophic scenarios are possible targets and I'm not sure which is best. Thryduulf (talk) 11:45, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

• Death of everything is another possible target to consider. Thryduulf (talk) 12:42, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
• Future of Earth also covers the topic of the future of life on Earth. Perhaps it should point to an 'End of life' disambiguation? Praemonitus (talk) 13:48, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. The capitalization makes it clear that this is an (unmentioned at the target) title. Looking at the history, it seems to be an unreleased album, which was renamed, and then deleted for notability reasons...or something like this; it's a bit confusing. In any case, the original purpose of this redirect no longer exists, and none of the proposed targets are good matches; they're all about vaguely similar, but different topics. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:03, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to Global catastrophe scenarios. 21 Andromedae (talk) 16:56, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

  Why? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:43, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment. Future of Earth § Climate is going to be a better target, since it actually talks about...you know...the end of life on Earth, and not varying levels of different types of sudden catastrophes, which is kind of different. However, even still, this redirect should be deleted due to the capitalization, and anyone is free to make a new one if they think it's worthwhile enough. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:43, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

  I disagree that Future of Earth#Climate is a good target because that's only one of many possible ways that life on earth could end. Thryduulf (talk) 10:15, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to Global catastrophe scenarios, which discusses scenarios that could cause the end of life on Earth. Future of Earth#Climate impact only discusses one scenario. Death of everything combines my proposed target, two irrelevant musical works, and Heat death of the universe, which doesn't refer to life or merely to Earth. Nyttend (talk) 20:46, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
• Disambiguate to all the choices listed in the aboves, including the album (via the artist's article) -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 04:57, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete this capitalized version per the first anonymous editor above. The canceled album isn't notable, and this capitalization doesn't directly refer to any of the suggested targets. The articles that currently link to End of Life on Earth (2012 album) should probably be updated, since the album doesn't exist. - Eureka Lott 14:27, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete + Disambig: To start with, it seems that Full Tank and End of Life on Earth were both cancelled as albums. I think that deleting this redirect and creating End of life on earth (or Earth) as a disambig would be for the best. This would allow us to cover the multiple possible links that "End of life" would potentially redirect to while also fixing the problem. --Super Goku V (talk) 07:11, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Marnus

• Marnus → Marnus Labuschagne  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not only person named Marnus. Either Disambiguate existing redirect, or in the case that Marnus Labuschagne is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC create a new Disambiguation page either titled Marnus (name) or Marnus (disambiguation) Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:34, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

• Disambiguate many people with that name, no evidence that Labuschange is the primary target. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:27, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
• Disambiguate per nom. Vestrian24Bio 11:41, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
• Convert to set index. Page drafted below the redirect. - Eureka Lott 17:37, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

ROH

• ROH → ROH (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Propose redirect to Ring of Honor as primary topic. It gets the most pageviews out of those topics. Originalchampion (talk) 04:23, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support. A quick Google Search reveals that this is probably the primary topic. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 04:32, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

  How about RohRoh? Justjourney (talk | contribs) 04:34, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

• Wrong venue. This seems to be a WP:Requested move discussion, not an RfD matter (ROH is a disambiguation page not a redirect]]). Thryduulf (talk) 08:31, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support per nom. However, it is actually a wrong venue per Thryduulf, this discussion should be conducted using WP:RM instead. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 13:52, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

JD Vance 2028 presidential campaign

• JD Vance 2028 presidential campaign → 2028 United States presidential election#JD Vance  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible redirect; subject does not exist. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:15, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Agreed, You don't need a redirect if the subject in question doesn't exist. Fad8229 (talk) 04:25, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Servite et contribuere (talk) 08:44, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:07, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

July 4

Wikipod

• Wikipod → Wikipedia:Wikipod  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unnecessary WP:XNR 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:4839:F2ED:BF8F:52B8 (talk) 23:30, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete does not need an XNR. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:48, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete Regardless of the target article's action when the MFD completes, this is still a really inappropriate WP:XNR to a projectspace page that I agree doesn't serve any use in it's current stage. Also change or get rid of the shortcut box if the target ever gets userified (as opposed to just getting deleted) User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 00:50, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

'"Delete'" I agree. Artem's pages (talk) 08:36, 5 July 2025 (UTC)]

Hounds of Shadow

• Hounds of Shadow → Malazan Book of the Fallen#Cards and Tiles  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. Not mentioned in target article or in any other article. Was redirected to High House Shadow. Mika1h (talk) 07:38, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

• This was a redirect to the #Hounds section of High House Shadow before that was BLARd, and is also at RfD. Wait for its RfD to close. Jay 💬 08:57, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

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Fish or fishes

• Fish or fishes → Fish#"Fish" or "fishes"  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Fish versus fishes → Fish#"Fish" or "fishes"  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Fishes versus fish → Fish#"Fish" or "fishes"  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Fishes or fish → Fish#"Fish" or "fishes"  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Fish vs fishes → Fish#"Fish" or "fishes"  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Section is missing from the target article. In addition, there seems to be no explanation of the topic of these redirects, which seems to be the reason why the word "fish" or "fishes" is used for the plural form of the target subject. My first thought was to refine these redirect to Fish#Etymology, but such an explanation of these redirects' subject is not explained in that section either. Unless there are some kind of alternative target explaining the English plural form of the target subject, probably delete these. Steel1943 (talk) 19:17, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Nominator follow-up/related comment: I just found Fishery#The term fish, a section that is obviously located in the wrong article and probably should be removed or moved to Fish. (At this time, I don't consider this a retargeting option.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:22, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

• Restore mention at Fish and turn the old section link into an anchor. The first two sentences of special:permalink/1133745051 § "Fish" or "fishes" seem like they'd do the trick, to be added to the etymology section. Else delete. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 19:26, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

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Peter Pan Syndrome (anime)

• Peter Pan Syndrome (anime) → Mayu Sakai  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Mayu Sakai did write a manga titled Peter Pan Syndrome (manga) (which redirects to Mayu Sakai) but it was never an anime series, as those are two different mediums. A deletion is preferred. lullabying (talk) 20:18, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Peter Pan Syndrome (manga) is an article not a redirect, there is an external link titled "Peter Pan Syndrome (anime) at Anime News Network's encyclopedia" but the target page is about a manga, I'm guessing this is an error in our article but I haven't investigated. The redirect is a {{R from move}} - the target was at this title from creation in November 2005 until being moved in February 2006. Thryduulf (talk) 09:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

  Oops, I remade the article after I posted this discussion. Sorry! lullabying (talk) 18:56, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete I just fixed the template so it doesn't say "anime". This series got no anime, so this redirect is misleading. Link20XX (talk) 14:07, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete The redirect to the author's page is inappropriate, and there is no evidence of the existence of an anime. If an anime were to be made, it would have been redirected to Peter Pan Syndrome (manga), but I see no anime based on this manga being made for the foreseeable future. Z. Patterson (talk) 15:03, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

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Nien

• Nien → TripleS  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The member is not that popular and she wouldnt be the primary topic for Nien. Theres also no dab page for Nien. drinks or coffee ~ ♪ 17:05, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep' The only other destination would be a dictionary definition for a foreign word, and 'not popular' is a judgement call, not a proper reason for deletion. Nathannah • 📮 20:49, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. This redirect obscures Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:01, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

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Viimsi JK (women)

• Viimsi JK (women) → Viimsi JK  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention in target page. Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:34, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep It's the parent club. If not mentioned, than the target page should be improved irrelevant to the redirect --SuperJew (talk) 18:19, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

JK Tabasalu (women)

• JK Tabasalu (women) → JK Tabasalu  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention in target page. Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:34, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep It's the parent club. If not mentioned, than the target page should be improved irrelevant to the redirect --SuperJew (talk) 18:19, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Roman civiel war of 461

• Roman civiel war of 461 → Roman civil war of 461  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely typo, not navigationally useful. 204.111.137.20 (talk) 16:14, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Please delete Geoffrey F (talk) 19:10, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. The letter "e" isn't really close to "i" or "l" on the (QWERTY) keyboard. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 22:11, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

  For some context, IP editor 75.104.64.169 contested a R3 speedy deletion of this redirect (here). Anyways, since the creator of this redirect, @Geoffrey F, said "Please delete", this redirect now meets G7 (I think), so speedy delete. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 22:17, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

may (anime character)

• May (anime character) → List of Pokémon anime characters#Other characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• May (Anime Character) → List of Pokémon anime characters#Other characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

the target's afd implies this will get deleted anyway, but this is worth asking about anyway. are there other anime characters named "may" that could be worth worrying about? i haven't found any in may (given name), but there's every chance that sia is just really undercooked consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 11:14, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment This is really not my topic area, but my search results include (in no particular order):
  • Lucy-May of the Southern Rainbow, the main character is Lucy-May or Lucy or Lucy May. At absolute most that would be a see-also on a dab page, and probably not even that.
  • Hand Maid May has a character called "Cyberdoll May". Would "May (anime character)" be a plausible search term for them? I have no idea.
  • List of Keleido Star characters#May Wong. The most plausible target so far, at least in theory, in practice I have no idea.
  • Pokémon: Battle Frontier seems to prominently feature a character called May, but the article doesn't make it clear to me if this is anime or not?
  • May (given name) and List of Pokémon rivals#Brendan and May seem to contradict each other about whether May appears in the anime or not. Neither gives a source.

  Thryduulf (talk) 14:00, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

  battle frontier is just season 9 of the nnime

  may is originally from ruby and sapphire, but appears in the anime as well (where she's not a silent protagonist). thus, she's also the sam may from battle frontier consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 23:42, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Kyrgyz Republic national beach soccer team

• Kyrgyz Republic national beach soccer team → Kyrgyz Football Union  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Turkmenistan national beach soccer team → Football Federation of Turkmenistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Tajikistan national beach soccer team → Tajikistan Football Federation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Mongolia national beach soccer team → Mongolian Football Federation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Hong Kong national beach soccer team → Football Association of Hong Kong, China  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Nothing about beach soccer is mentioned in the target pages. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:29, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete all as per nom. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:54, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

University (Scandinavia)

• University (Scandinavia) → University  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This used to target to List of universities and colleges in Sweden, which is too specific. The current target, on the other hand, is uselessly broad and doesn't even discuss Scandinavia. Rusalkii (talk) 23:13, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. We don't have any articles for which this would be a useful search term. Thryduulf (talk) 15:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to University college (Scandinavia). Worgisbor (congregate) 17:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

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• Retarget to University college (Scandinavia); better target. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 07:59, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

  Agreed, whilst university colleges are usually distinct from universities University college (Scandinavia) is pretty much dedicated to explaining the differences and similarities between 'university' and 'university college' in the Scandinavian context, making this a very suitable retarget. Katiedevi (talk) 15:40, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. University colleges are a different thing, so not an appropriate target. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:10, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
  • It seems this was created to avoid a red link at Oslo and Akershus University College, which had been added without explanation by an IP in Special:Diff/879955703. I've reverted the change, so it's now properly orphaned. I stand by my !vote to delete, given its origin as a result of disruptive editing. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per above. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 18:05, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to University college (Scandinavia) per Katiedevi. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:36, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Retarget To University college (Scandinavia) per Katiedevi Servite et contribuere (talk) 22:36, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Oppose retarget to University college (Scandinavia) since University ≠ University college on the English Wikipedia. Steel1943 (talk) 20:19, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

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2027–2029 ICC World Test Championship

• 2027–2029 ICC World Test Championship → World Test Championship  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target, and it is honestly just WP:TOOSOON, even for a redirect. The current (As of time of nomination) ICC World Test Championship has just gotten underway. It can be re created when it is not too soon. Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:50, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and per the recent RFDs for hundreds of other redirects for future sports seasons to events articles that don't mention the future event. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:30, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and above. Vestrian24Bio 11:39, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Beanie boo

• Beanie boo → Beanie Babies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Beanie boos → Beanie Babies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Beanie Boos → Beanie Babies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Beanie Boos are NOT Beanie Babies.

Beanie Babies come in many forms, whereas Beanie Boos are specifically big-eyed, small plushies. Beanie Boos are mentioned multiple times by name on ENWP, but none of them (save for probably the company's page as a TM:R with possibilities?) seem like a good fit. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:21, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Note: added Beanie boos and Beanie Boos to this nomination. - Eureka Lott 19:15, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Trollpasta

• Trollpasta → Creepypasta#Trollpasta  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. 🇺🇸Thegoofhere🇺🇸 (talk) 00:12, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. Since trollpasta is a notable genre of creepypasta I think it's worth keeping the redirect and adding a mention into the article instead. I've left a note on the talk page too. Happy to make the edit myself, just wanted to get your thoughts first since you nominated the RfD. Katiedevi (talk) 10:01, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

July 3

Mt Iron(Wanaka township)aerodrome

• Mt Iron(Wanaka township)aerodrome → Mount Iron Aerodrome  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

May be an WP:X3 candidate, but not sure due to the oddness of a conjugated non-disambiguator attached to the end of the disambiguator. Either way, unlikely search term. Steel1943 (talk) 17:42, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment This is a {{R from move}} that wouldn't be implausible if there were spaces. Either "Wanaka township" is an alternative name for the aerodrome or it's being used to disambiguate "Mt Iron" but given that Mt Iron/Mount Iron seem to be unambiguous (which I find mildly surprising), it's probably the former so not an X3 candidate. Thryduulf (talk) 18:02, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete 8 page views a year show the redirect isn't helpful for this odd title. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:15, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Flashing light of death

• Flashing light of death → PlayStation (console)#Flashing light of death  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the target article and the redirect unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 17:31, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment this was a stubby article that was prodded with a proposal to merge into the main article, and that merge was carried out in March 2010 (see e.g. this revision) and the article redirected. WikiBlame is just timing out so I haven't found when or why it was removed, but it doesn't seem to have been discussed on the talk page. Thryduulf (talk) 18:12, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

St. Thomas More Church, Alakode(Meenmutty),Idukki,Kerala

• St. Thomas More Church, Alakode(Meenmutty),Idukki,Kerala → St. Thomas More Syro-Malabar Church, Alakode  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Possibly an WP:X3 candidate, but not sure, given the end of the redirect's title. Either way, as a search term, it is unlikely to be used in this form. Steel1943 (talk) 17:10, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Fur cap

• Fur cap → Ushanka  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ushankas are not the only type of fur caps by a long shot, didn't find anything focused on furry headgear. Paradoctor (talk) 16:45, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Speedy retarget. Good catch. I created List of fur headgear. --Altenmann >talk 17:30, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to List of fur headgear per Altenmann. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 19:58, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Ludobot

• Ludobot → Entertainment robot  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previously a stub (A ludobot is a type of artificial human companion: an entertainment robot, from Latin ludo (play) and bot (robot).) that was redirected to entertainment robot in 2017, the term isn't used in that article, wasn't used in it at the time of the redirect creation, and I can't find any sources that use it. It reads like an original coinage by the user who first created the ludobot article in 2003. Belbury (talk) 14:39, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• keep Searchable term; add something to entertainment robot from the internets. --Altenmann >talk 17:42, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  I couldn't find any sources that would support the term being mentioned in entertainment robot, just a few primary sources for specific products and project names. Belbury (talk) 14:24, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

European area

• European area → European Economic Area  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is ambiguous. Not all European states are in the EEA so I think it should be deleted. JuniperChill (talk) 10:55, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Disambg either by retargetting to Europe (disambiguation) or to a new set index titled something like (but ideally better than) List of supranational areas in Europe listing European Economic Area, European Union, European Communities, European Higher Education Area, Eurozone, Single Euro Payments Area, Free trade areas in Europe, European Common Aviation Area, European Broadcasting Area, Schengen Area, European Union Customs Union, Common Travel Area, Warsaw Pact (maybe better as a see also), NATO (ditto), Euratom, European single market and any others. Thryduulf (talk) 12:52, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Dabify Per Thryduulf. Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:53, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

EU market

• EU market → European Economic Area  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• EU Market → European Economic Area  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• European market → European Economic Area  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• European Market → European Economic Area  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The EU and EEA are not interchangeable as the EEA includes all EU states plus Norway and Iceland. I think the first two should be redirected to the European Union and the others to European single market. Otherwise, it can be deleted. JuniperChill (talk) 10:45, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Disambig at European market. These are all plausible search terms for the current target and both the other targets identified (and possibly others). Thryduulf (talk) 12:55, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Fardu

• Fardu → Fordo  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm not sure that this is a plausible misspelling (or alternative transliteration) of Fordo. It's only linked from Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Hotlist of Mythology & Folklore/F, and is also an Arabic word for an Islamic religious obligation (wikt:fardu). Plantdrew (talk) 19:56, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Fard. Lead mentions that 'fard' is spelt as 'fardu' or 'fardhu' in Malay which makes this page a more suitable target. Katiedevi (talk) 21:10, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Retarget to Fard per Jay. "Fard" is most plausible target for the redirect term. Once the redirect was retargeted, we can adding hatnote "Not to be confused with Fordo" (or "Not to be confused with Fard" for Fordo article) for Fat the top of the article. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 05:38, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Bhakt

• Bhakt → Bhakti  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The redirect Bhakt was recently created, but the correct English transliteration of the original Sanskrit term is Bhakta, which already exists as a redirect to Bhakti. Deleting this redirect avoids confusion and maintains consistency with other properly transliterated Sanskrit terms used as page titles (e.g. Yoga, Raga, Dharma, Mantra etc.). Asteramellus (talk) 12:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

• [!vote superseded following creation of Bhakta, see below the relist] Strong oppose: Due to schwa deletion in Indo-Aryan languages, the last 'a' vowel is deleted in several Sanskrit-derived colloquial languages (including Hindi & Urdu). Hence, Yog, Rag, Raag (all disambiguation pages) provide a link to Yoga and Raga respectively. Similarly, Dharm is a redirect to Dharma. Likewise, Bhakt is a valid {{R from alternative transliteration}} to Bhakta, and is the WP:PTOPIC for the term, which in turn redirects to Bhakti and therefore is a valid {{R avoided double redirect}}. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 14:11, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to Bhakt (slang)#Origin. Having taken a look at Talk:Bhakti, from what I am understanding, the issue seems to be that the redirect ‘bhakt’ is spelt the same as ‘bhakt (slang)’ so it would make more sense for it to be redirected there. But I also get what CX is saying about ‘bhakt’ being associated with ‘bhakti’ because of the spelling. Makes most sense to me to redirect to Bhakt (slang)#Origin since it would take a reader to a place in the Bhakt (slang) article that makes space for both uses of the word (devotional and political). Having a redirect to Bhakt (slang) more broadly would not necessarily encompass both uses of the word and neither would a redirect to Bhakti. Katiedevi (talk) 22:54, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

  I strongly oppose divorcing Bhakta and Bhakt from leading to the same target, they should always point to same destination. Either transliteration can used to refer to both the concepts depending on the speaker, and the extent of schwa deletion in their language/dialect. Some examples of "Bhakt" referring to "Bhakti" in news items: [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11]. Some examples of "Bhakta" referring to "Bhakt (slang)": [12] (BJP-affiliated media; remove the tilde ~ from the link, which I used to bypass link blacklist), [13], [14], [15]. Personally, I am of the opinion that Bhakti would be the WP:PTOPIC for them, and thus, both should point there. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 01:33, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

• Pinging Hemant Dabral since he seems to have recently moved 'Bhakt' to 'Bhakt (slang)' so may have a useful rationale for what to do with this redirect. Katiedevi (talk) 23:01, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

  If we have an article titled 'Bhakt (slang)' then it would be helpful to also have an article on the non-slang usage of the word. The concept 'bhakta' is notable enough to have its own article. So it might be worth deleting the redirect and creating an article for Bhakt. Katiedevi (talk) 23:19, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

  @Katiedevi I was thinking about adding a disambiguous page just like Yog, Raag etc after looking at the links given by CX Zoom, but I think this suggestion makes sense - one suggestion would be to have the article for "Bhakta" (and Bhakt can redirect to Bhakta). I will start a talk on Bhakta page to discuss this further - if all are ok to discuss further there, I can withdraw this Redirect discussion. Asteramellus (talk) 01:34, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

  If you wish to work to create an article on the specific topic of Bhakta, then I have no reservations against that. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 01:38, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks. Based on what you have shared and what Katiedevi is suggesting, it seems it makes sense to go with creating article for Bhakta. I will go ahead and withdraw this redirect. Thanks for all the insights. Also want to share this link to see the usage of the two terms. Asteramellus (talk) 02:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

• Withdrawing nom to continue discussion at Bhakta talk page. Asteramellus (talk) 02:04, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

  Discussion cannot be closed to "withdrawn" due to Katiedevi's votes (2 votes that seem to contradict each other, and neither has been WP:REDACTED yet), which are not compatible with the status quo. @Asteramellus: I'd recommend finishing what has been started here. Steel1943 (talk) 17:12, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

  Done - a good quality article on 'bhakta' that would allow a reader to get to both 'bhakti' and 'bhakt (slang)' seems like the best solution. Both CX Zoom and Asteramellus make valid points, a good article could satisfy both needs. Katiedevi (talk) 21:03, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

  @Steel1943 Thanks. Yes, I will wait for the discussion to end. Asteramellus (talk) 10:43, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete I'm seeing a general consensus for creating a page for Bhakta. If/until there isn't that page I think the bhakt redirect should be deleted because it's too confusing to redirect 'bhakt' to Bhakti as bhakti is so broad compared to the specific slang usage. But if there is a Bhakta/Bhakt page, readers have a place to reach either usage, devotional or political, though it still leaves open whether to have separate pages or slang as a subsection.Swirlymarigold (talk) 20:31, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

  Does not make any sense at all. The pejorative use derives from religious use, as in "devotion to god" -> "devotion to Modi", and both Bhakt/Bhakta have been attested to have been used for either meaning. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 10:53, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

• @Asteramellus: You nominated the redirect for deletion, and later were in favour of withdrawing, implying you did not want the redirect to be deleted. Can we assume you want to no action on the redirect until the article on Bhakta is ready? Jay 💬 19:00, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

  @Jay Yes, it seems no action on redirect. Asteramellus (talk) 11:09, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

• Disambiguate between Bhakta (now created), Bhakti, and Bhakt (slang). -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:12, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Tavix sorry, just want to confirm - are you suggesting "Bhakt (disambiguous)" - that too I think would help avoid confusion. Asteramellus (talk) 00:31, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  Okay with a retarget to Bhakta after reading the subsequent !vote. -- Tavix ^(talk) 11:08, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Bhakta as an {{R from alternative transliteration}}. We can use hatnotes to disambiguate, but the word's original usage is certainly primary over a modern slang; the latter use is rarely inferred outside of a specific political context. 9ninety (talk) 05:14, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts now that Bhakta exists?
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• Retarget: Now that Bhakta exists as a standalone article, I support retargeting to it as R from alternative transliteration, either with a hatnote to Bhakt (slang), or with body content briefly mentioning it. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 20:43, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  Agreed! Hatnote works perfectly as per WP:ONEOTHER. Katiedevi (talk) 10:05, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

po(l)ypifer

• Polypifer → Coral  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Poypifer → Coral  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

let's try this again!! "polypifer" refers to organisms formed from polyps, which is a list that only happens to include coral. there was a discussion about this before (see here), but it just kind of went nowhere. still no opinion on the plausibility of the second redirect consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 12:21, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

will add, though, that the term used to be mentioned in the current target... but only in passing as part of an image's caption. it's not mentioned there or in polyp (zoology) anymore ( °Д °;) consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 12:23, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

let's try this again!! Why do you torture us so?

As I said in last year's discussion, I think Dawkins' usage of the word is most relevant. Coral#Anatomy is still my top pick, followed a retarget to polyp. Cremastra (talk) 17:08, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

admittedly, i kind of oppose retargeting to the dab, as it seems the term only refers to living organisms with that funny shape (y'know, hence polyp (zoology)). that aside, it seems this and other results related to richard dawkins have been recently overcome with slop of ai variety, which isn't related to this discussion, but is a bummer nonetheless :c consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 17:51, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

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Inurement

• Inurement → Desensitization (psychology)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Someone searching for the legal term Inurement will end up on the wrong page. Disambiguate? Not sure what the right page would be. Non-profit organization laws in the U.S.#Federal taxes? See https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/inurement-private-benefit-charitable-organizations Guy Macon Alternate Account (talk) 16:30, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Non-profit organization laws in the U.S.#Federal taxes per Guy Macon. 'Inurement' or 'inure' do not occur in Desensitization (psychology) and the legal interpretation of 'inure' seems to be more prevalent. Katiedevi (talk) 20:17, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oh, look, it's a WP:NEELIX redirect. InureInure also points to Desensitization (psychology), but it was a Wiktionary redirect before it was retargeted by Neelix. There's more information on Wikidata than there is here, so I think a Wiktionary redirect would be appropriate. Normally, I'd suggest consolidating the Wiktionary redirects at a single title, but wikt:inure and wikt:inurement are different enough to deserve individual redirects. That's a roundabout way of saying that I'd support a soft redirect of Inurement to wikt:inurement and a revert of Neelix's edit on Inure. - Eureka Lott 07:00, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
• Either of the above suggested retargets would be fine with me. If I had to choose I have a slight preference for the Wikipedia retarget over the Wiktionary retarget, but they are both good choices. --Guy Macon Alternate Account (talk) 05:31, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

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Turkish massacre

• Turkish massacre → Armenian genocide  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish genocide. There's also a relevant entry currently under discussion: Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_June_23#Turkish_genocide_(19th–20th_century) Bogazicili (talk) 20:19, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

• Disambig between List of massacres in Turkey, List of massacres of Turkish people and any (list of) massacres committed by Turkish people not on either of those lists. Thryduulf (talk) 21:11, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

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Disambig Per Thryduulf Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:54, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

USFG

• USFG → Federal government of the United States  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Too ambiguous a redirect. Googling it turns up something way different. Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:17, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. On Wikipedia, the current target is very clearly the primary topic, with USD Follonica Gavorrano being the only other use (this should be linked in a hatnote). On Google the primary topic is the United States Faceters Guild, but I've not found a single mention of them on en.wp. Thryduulf (talk) 12:29, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
• Disamiguate convert to disambig page. There being the USfedgov, UsFG (USD Follonica Gavorrano), and variant form USF&G; for a 3-entry dab page -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 21:24, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

  I didn't find USF&G in my searching, but that can be included in the hatnote as well, we shouldn't take people to a dab page when there is a clear primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 22:22, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep. Of the topics presented, the Federal government of the United States is by far the most significant topic. Google results are a very poor way to try to determine primary topic (it's an easy trap to fall into!) and Thryduulf does a good job of highlighting why. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:55, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Feral gummint

• Feral gummint → Federal government of the United States  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Sadly, this is not the Onion. Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:19, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. It's a pointless redirect that nobody literate enough to use Wikipedia will need to use in order to find the page for the U.S. federal government. RandFreeman (talk) 08:26, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. This ain't the Hillbillypiedia, dadgummit. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:18, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

• █████. It's nearly invisible. It was a lapse into mild humor.

I half made up the term. I searched for it here, half-expecting to find it here. It wasn't, so I added it. I Googled today for "feral gummint" and I see 350 hits (only 1 from Wikipedia and no mirrors), most referring to the US, but some referring to other federal governments such as Australia and Canada. Example: "Oh great.. the Feral Gummint has a part to play to play in this.."

I wonder how anyone noticed it. (Maybe browsing "What links here" from [Federal government of the United States], with "Hide links" enabled? Maybe browsing "User contributions for A876" with "Only show edits that are page creations" enabled, clicking "500" and then "Next 500" to reach my very first additions, and then finally noticing this the 30th one from the bottom?).

I wonder how many people noticed it before someone sought to kill it off. (I have nominated even-more-pointless redirects from absurdly improbable misspellings for deletion, and somehow absurdly got turned down.) In 2007, Wikipedia in several ways "was" The Onion. No need to be sad about it. Often Wikipedia seems much better than it was; sometimes it seems hopeless.

(I recall noticing a comical fictitious entry in the index of a college textbook. I think it said "Humor, sick" and it referred indirectly to the stylish new out-of-sequence info boxes that someone had forced the editors to tediously add to many pages.)

==See also==

• Gummint (not "created" by me, but mentioned in my edit comment upon "creating" Feral gummint on 2007-08-17)

• Gubmint (not "created" by me)

Maybe redirect to Federation#Federal governments, copying Federal government?

Maybe move all three to Wiktionary?? They are deliberate semi-fake vernacular uses. -A876 (talk) 22:19, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

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Berlin and Leipzig Railway

• Berlin and Leipzig Railway → History of rail transport in Germany#Epoch 0 (1835-1870)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete Broken anchor, redirect title is not mentioned in the target article Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 12:38, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Berlin-Anhalt Railway Company. I think this is what the redirect is referring to. There is a mention of it in Berlin–Halle railway#History but I think Berlin-Anhalt Railway Company is the better option for the redirect. Katiedevi (talk) 20:02, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete the above target suggested is bad because there's no mention; there's not really a substantially helpful mention anywhere. Cremastra (talk) 16:28, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

  I understand where you're coming from about the lack of an explicit mention. The fact that the Anhalt railway travelled from Berlin to Leipzig does appear in Berlin-Anhalt Railway Company, just not the exact phrase 'Berlin and Leipzig Railway'. I wouldn't say this makes the target 'bad'. Redirects are cheap and so I prefer to be charitable with them. Someone who is searching for a railway between Berlin and Leipzig could likely find what they're looking for within Berlin-Anhalt Railway Company. The retarget also doesn't seem to cause any confusion or harm in this case. Katiedevi (talk) 10:02, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

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Earl Hilliard Jr.

• Earl Hilliard Jr. → Earl Hilliard Sr.  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Son of a former representative who was a state representative himself. I think this is better as a red link to encourage creation Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 19:01, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

I've been following because I am curious about the outcome. Seems a reasonable redirect to me. No one is precluded from starting an entry on the subject (as I did in draftspace). Whether leaving something as a redlink is superior encouragement to create the article rather than linking to an article where the subject is noted is an interesting question. But our goal is to serve our readers as best we can with what info we have. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep. Mentioned in the target article. FloridaArmy's actions are proof that deleting a redirect is not required to encourage an editor to create an article. A red link could assist in garnering more attention, but I don't think the sacrifice of a good and helpful redirect is worth it. Katiedevi (talk) 10:17, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Flip (geometry)

• Flip (geometry) → Reflection (mathematics)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

this could easily refer to Flip (mathematics). this should be retargeted or turned into a disambiguation page. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 17:01, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete and change hatnote in Flip (mathematics) to Reflection (mathematics). There is already a disambiguation page Flip which includes both pages. Katiedevi (talk) 22:03, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Flip (disambiguation)#Mathematics and statistics as an WP:INCOMPDAB. Flip (mathematics) also suffers from that problem and should be moved back to Flip (algebraic geometry), with Flip (mathematics) also retargeted to the disambiguation. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:21, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Agree with Tavix. Elestrophe (talk) 07:46, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget and move as Tavix suggests. Thryduulf (talk) 12:57, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• I too agree with Tavix. Adumbrativus (talk) 06:59, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Gender stereotypes

• American gender stereotypes → Sexism#American gender stereotypes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Stereotypes of women → Gender role#Gender stereotypes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Stereotypes of men → Gender role#Gender stereotypes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These should probably all have the same target. However, American gender stereotypes isn’t mentioned at either target so maybe it should be deleted. Thepharoah17 (talk) 05:18, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Aa Bb Cc Dd Ee Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Pp Qq Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Ww Xx Yy Zz

• Aa Bb Cc Dd Ee Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Kk Ll Mm Nn Oo Pp Qq Rr Ss Tt Uu Vv Ww Xx Yy Zz → Latin alphabet  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• AaBbCcDdEeFfGgHhIiJjKkLlMmNnOoPpQqRrSsTtUuVvWwXxYyZz → Latin alphabet  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Seems like an implausible search term, already have ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ for alphabet. Happily888 (talk) 04:41, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Note Nominations with identical rationales merged. Thryduulf (talk) 12:58, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete 10 and 2 views in the last year respectively, clearly not a useful redirect. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:17, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

  They were just created a week ago, though. Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:21, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Traumnovelle The stats tool only records hits while the links are blue, so that's 10 (actually 15) and 2 (actually 3) views in the 7 days between 26 June and 2 July (the day of creation to the day before nomination here) however the view count for the first several days of a page's existence are not a reliable guide to long term views (I've always assumed this is due to new page patrollers, but have never verified that). Views for pages with little traffic (such as most redirects) are essentially only useful when viewed over a span of at least several months, so the stats here are meaningless. Thryduulf (talk) 21:52, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

  You're correct. I did not realise it was recently created. I still don't believe such a redirect is helpful as one is more likely to search for 'alphabet' than to spell it out. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:17, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete both, implausible. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:20, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete both per nom Asteramellus (talk) 10:44, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Kyle Dudek

• Kyle Dudek → Kyle Christopher Dudek  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nominating a newly created redirect whose target is currently at AfD. Safiel (talk) 04:17, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep – no reason given for deletion, and this looks like a perfectly reasonable redirect. If and when the target is deleted, the redirect will automatically be deleted with it; there's no need to delete it at RfD in that case. jlwoodwa (talk) 07:54, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep per Jlwoodwa. While the target exists this is a good redirect, if it is deleted the redirect will be speedily deleted under WP:CSD#G8. Thryduulf (talk) 13:00, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep per above. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ 14:03, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete to make way for the eventual move of the current GFDL-compliant draft to mainspace. BD2412 T 16:26, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Jordan Pratt

• Jordan Pratt → Jordan Emery Pratt  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nominating a newly created redirect whose target is currently at AfD. Safiel (talk) 04:16, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep – no reason given for deletion, and this looks like a perfectly reasonable redirect. If and when the target is deleted, the redirect will automatically be deleted with it; there's no need to delete it at RfD in that case. jlwoodwa (talk) 07:55, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep per Jlwoodwa. While the target exists this is a good redirect, if it is deleted the redirect will be speedily deleted under WP:CSD#G8. Thryduulf (talk) 13:02, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete to make way for the eventual move of the current GFDL-compliant draft to mainspace. BD2412 T 16:27, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Ed Artau

• Ed Artau → Edward L. Artau  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nominating a newly created redirect whose target is currently at AfD. Safiel (talk) 04:15, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep – no reason given for deletion, and this looks like a perfectly reasonable redirect. If and when the target is deleted, the redirect will automatically be deleted with it; there's no need to delete it at RfD in that case. jlwoodwa (talk) 07:55, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep per Jlwoodwa. While the target exists this is a good redirect, if it is deleted the redirect will be speedily deleted under WP:CSD#G8. Thryduulf (talk) 13:02, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete to make way for the eventual move of the current GFDL-compliant draft to mainspace. BD2412 T 16:27, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Covid deaths

• Covid deaths → Template:COVID-19 pandemic data  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Seems like an incorrect cross namespace redirect. COVID-19 deaths might be a better target but coronavirus isn’t necessarily COVID-19 so maybe deleting it would be better. Thepharoah17 (talk) 03:58, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Retarget Covid redirects to COVID-19, so Covid deaths should redirect to COVID-19 deaths. It seems to get an average of ~30 pageviews per month. 9ninety (talk) 06:10, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Death due to coronavirus disease was deleted at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 13#Death due to coronavirus disease, although neither the current target nor COVID-19 deaths were considered in that discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 13:08, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to COVID-19 pandemic deaths. The clear primary topic of "Covid" at this point is COVID-19. BD2412 T 16:31, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to COVID-19 deaths (disambiguation page). I agree with 9ninety, and the redirect in question is "Covid deaths", not "Coronavirus deaths", which is another disambiguation page that lists two articles on COVID-19 deaths. I actually might nominate Coronavirus deaths for deletion after this redirect discussion finishes (if I remember to). Justjourney (talk | contribs) 21:44, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

  I've redirected Coronavirus deaths to COVID-19 deaths as it was entirely redundant. 9ninety (talk) 16:59, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Stereotypes of homosexuals

• Stereotypes of homosexuals → Societal attitudes toward homosexuality#Stereotypes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Current target currently has no mention of redirect so I suggest LGBTQ stereotypes as maybe a better target. Thepharoah17 (talk) 03:52, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 13:10, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

retarget per nom. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ 14:04, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Stereotypes of Brazilian Americans

• Stereotypes of Brazilian Americans → Brazilian Americans#Racial stereotypes and representation in media  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The subsection of the current target was unsourced and deleted and thus the target currently has no mention of the redirect. Thepharoah17 (talk) 03:47, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Stereotypes of Canadians

• Stereotypes of Canadians → Culture of Canada  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention in target Thepharoah17 (talk) 02:58, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Please retain to preserve the page history and talk page; there is potential for recreating as an article. – Reidgreg (talk) 06:29, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

If decision is to delete, please ping me so I can move it to my userspace instead. – Reidgreg (talk) 06:34, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Just FYI all topics that the article did cover are in the target article with much better sources. To achieve a more neutral text we folded the info into the narrative overall (apparent if anyone actually reads the original and target article) as per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. If working on draft- target page has the better sources. Moxy🍁 07:03, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

List of never before seen Shen Gong Wu

• List of never before seen Shen Gong Wu → Xiaolin Showdown#Shen Gong Wu  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Useless implausible search term that should be deleted like Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 20#List of not seen Shen Gong Wu 2603:7000:26F0:9690:1F4:CE21:D4A:21C7 (talk) 00:34, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete as per previous RFD. Thepharoah17 (talk) 03:00, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Terrestrial species

• Terrestrial species → Terrestrial animal  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Could also refer to terrestrial plant. Either delete or create a SIA/DAB of all "terrestrial x" articles (there's terrestrial crab and terrestrial mollusc and probably a few more). Cremastra (talk) 00:07, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• DAB would work here - Terrestrial species (disambiguation) or just Terrestrial species Asteramellus (talk) 00:50, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• Disambig per above. Thryduulf (talk) 13:10, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

July 2

Definition of is

• Definition of is → Clinton–Lewinsky scandal  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Very implausible redirect, in fact "Definition of is" does not appear once in the article. Nothing from what I can access appears to relate to this scandal. Sophisticatedevening🍷^(talk) 23:56, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Clinton did a hearing where he heckled whoever about the meaning of the word "is". "it depends on what the meaning of the word is is". IDK. Weak delete BarntToust 00:30, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

We have content about the word "is" at Copula (linguistics)#English, but not a definition and that article is also quite technical so I don't recommend retargetting there, but it is the best local target I've found. If we want this to be a blue link then a soft redirect to wikt:is is the obvious choice, but I'm on the fence about whether we do want that. Thryduulf (talk) 02:15, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete. It is absolutely related to the current target because of Clinton's famous tatement. When I Google that depends on what the definition of is is the third hit is Impeachment of Bill Clinton, which mentions the phrase. That said, the actual phrase is meaning of ‘is’ (not definition) and even if people plausibly misremember it, I'm not convinced any Clinton-related article is more plausible than copula, and in general I don't think it's a search term someone reasonably expects to find an encyclopedia entry for. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:40, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Media personalities

• Media personalities → Infotainment  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Media personality → Celebrity  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Media Personality → Celebrity  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not sure that this is the best redirect; the term is often used for all influencers, celebrities in general and not necessarily infotainment. GnocchiFan (talk) 19:43, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Celebrity to align this with Media personality. - Eureka Lott 14:46, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

  In response to that comment, I have added Media personality to this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 16:48, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete both all three as vague. Could also refer to various journalists and other non-celebrities. Agreed with the nominator that the Infotainment is not a proper target for these. Steel1943 (talk) 16:49, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

  Updated vote after Thryduulf's addition. Steel1943 (talk) 16:00, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

• Note I've added Media Personality to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 21:39, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
• Comment I agree with the nom that Infotainment is a bad target, but I'm not sure Celebrity is a good one either (although it is better, and I don't want to stand in the way of a consensus to retarget there) as it's both broader (per Steel) and narrower as only some celebrities are media personalities - Category:Media personalities has sub-categories Broadcasters, category:Commentators, category:Infotainers and category:Internet celebrities (although I don't think that last one belongs as a sub-category as very few of the subjects e.g. Category:animals on the Internet and category:webcomic creators are what I'd describe as "media personalities, that's a discussion for elsewhere though). The category has no main article, which doesn't help and I don't think it would make a good target itself. It's a sub-category of Category:Mass media people, which also lacks a main article and would be even less useful as a target for the redirects we're discussing here. Television personalities redirects to Celebrity while Radio personality is an article. I'm leaning delete for no good target, although I feel it would be better if this were a blue link - especially as there are multiple articles that use "(media personality)" as a disambiguator. Thryduulf (talk) 21:39, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

  I started a discussion about Category:Media personalities at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories#Category:Media personalities but it has not attracted any comments yet. Input would be appreciated there. Thryduulf (talk) 11:11, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete all three As suggested here, they are vague terms. e.g. Media personalities redirect to Infotainment is misleading (Infotainment is not person). For the other two, not all Celebrity are Media personality and vice versa Asteramellus (talk) 01:19, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete all three. Infotainment would not have been my first choice, but where media personalities is used in articles this does seem to be a good fit, indicating at least some editors do make this association, and I don't assume the few editors here know better and that celebrity is the correct target. I agree that these are too vague for us to pick a suitable referent. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:58, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Maggie Robertson

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Te cunosc de undeva!(season 2)

• Te cunosc de undeva!(season 2) → Te cunosc de undeva!#Season 2 (2012)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect title qualifies for WP:X3 speedy deletion, but the redirect has a bit of edit history in it ... though the history as an article existed for 2 days prior to being subject to a WP:BLAR pointing towards its correctly-spaced title variant, Te cunosc de undeva! (season 2)Te cunosc de undeva! (season 2) (now a redirect). Steel1943 (talk) 18:37, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Leo (Spectrobes)

• Leo (Spectrobes) → Spectrobes#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The word "Leo" is not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target subject unclear. In addition, the word "Leo" seems to be mentioned in none of the pages that are part of Category:Spectrobes. Steel1943 (talk) 18:10, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete seems originally it was created with details related to Spectrobes: Beyond the Portals, but as mentioned in nom, Leo is not mentioned there. If notable enough, details can be mentioned on Spectrobes: Beyond the Portals Asteramellus (talk) 01:05, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Hunting accident

• Hunting accident → Unintentional discharge  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of hunting at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:06, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support.Azuredivay (talk) 19:45, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

  uh... support what? deleting? mentioning? making whiney^[sic] congressmen play violent video games? consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 20:42, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

  oh right, should probably have pinged for this

  uh... hey @Azuredivay, what does that mean? consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 10:58, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

That means I "support" this nomination. I don't think deletion would be entirely helpful. Azuredivay (talk) 15:42, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

@Azuredivay: if you support the nomination, so you choose delete, keep or retarget? drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ 16:05, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

that only made it confusing, as the nomination doesn't really make a direct vote. the lack of mention could work for anything but keeping as it. that includes deleting, retargeting, dabifying, and the possibility of mentioning. unless you just mean you support the statement that there's no mention of it consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 16:41, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

I have struck my !vote in the light of discussion below. I am not sure what needs to be done here. Azuredivay (talk) 17:42, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep - what is a hunting accident? An accidental discharge. Red Slash 22:16, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

@Red Slash: Hunting accidents are much wider than accidental discharges. Richard (son of William the Conqueror)'s hunting accident was a collision with an overhanging branch, Louis V of France died from a fall while hunting, Demetrius, son of Alexander I of Georgia was killed by a horse while hunting, etc. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:23, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: This redirect would be misleading even with a mention: even among hunting accidents that involve a firearm, unintentional discharges aren't a majority. Some of the big causes are misidentifying a person as game, swinging the firearm to follow a moving target, and the shooter not being able to see the victim. I don't see any Wikipedia articles that cover hunting safety in general, so this term should be returned to red. Jruderman (talk) 01:48, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete as hopelessly vague. This could relate to any accident that occurred while someone or something was doing something called "hunting", that could be accidental discharge of a firearm while pursuing animals but it could equally be the derailment of a rail vehicle due to excessive hunting oscillation or several other things. Thryduulf (talk) 02:27, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Category:Hunting accidents due to a lack of a suitable mainspace target. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:23, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  I don't support that - someone using this search term is very unlikely to find what they are looking for in a category that contains only one article (Dick Cheney hunting accident) and a sub-category containing 87 articles about hunting accident deaths, not least because of the ambiguity identified above. Thryduulf (talk) 13:29, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  Agreed that's not a good target; I created that category as a way to avoid that one article standing alone in Category:Accidents which I had fully diffused, since it felt unfair and demeaning to leave one article isolated like that. And then I searched to see if there was more content I could find, and found this confusing redirect but nothing else. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:29, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Create an article on hunting accidents. This seems like a notable thing in itself. BD2412 T 16:35, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Comment: Hunting AccidentHunting Accident is a redirect that targets A Hunting Accident. Steel1943 (talk) 23:27, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete to encourage article creation. I agree we should have an article about this topic or hunting safety, but it's difficult to have content creation be the outcome of an RfD. Note that we have the redirect hunter safety that just redirects to hunting where safety is barely mentioned in passing. Strongly disagree with RedSlash that accidental discharge is the usual type of hunting accident; as mentioned, the most common type of hunting accident is the intentional discharge of a firearm that results in human injury or death, such as failure to properly identify one's target, or disregard of what is beyond one's target. Also strongly disagree with Thryduulf's argument that the term is hopelessly vague, as the clear primary meaning for "hunting accident" is an accident while hunting. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:54, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

The closest extant target would probably be gun safety, but it barely mentions hunting, and not all hunting involves firearms. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:58, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: agree almost entirely with Mdewman6. We could potentially retarget to hunting, but hunting accidents are only tangentially mentioned there; Category:Hunting accidents would be another possibility but I think Thryduulf and Pppery make a good case that's not a great target either. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:02, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

SOIL

• SOIL → European Geosciences Union#Journals  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This should either redirect to Sustainable Organic Integrated Livelihoods or, in the alternative, a disambiguation page should be created. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 16:23, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Soil The phrase about "natural substance composed of minerals, organic matter, water, and air" (known as Soil) is clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and we cannot distinguish those writting "SOIL" in all-caps or not. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 01:22, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Typhoon 0801

• Typhoon 0801 → Typhoon Neoguri (2008)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Typhoon 0806 → Typhoon Fengshen  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely to be searched and used A1Cafel (talk) 15:28, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Team Rocket Motto

• Team Rocket Motto → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

has history as unsourced fancruft (potentially even copyvio), which i think should get some of that revdel juice regardless of this discussion's outcome. but that aside, it's not mentioned in team rocket's article, so it's probably not worth keeping anyway consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 13:23, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

unmentioned and mostly minor and/or unnotable pokémon characters (part 1 again somehow)

• Falkner (Pokémon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Falkner (Pokemon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Lorelei (Pokémon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Lorelei (Pokemon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Koga (Pokémon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Koga (Pokemon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Blaine (Pokémon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Blaine (Pokemon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Sabrina (Pokémon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Agatha (Pokémon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Agatha (Pokemon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Janine (Pokémon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Janine (Pokemon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Bruno (Pokémon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Bruno (Pokemon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Will (Pokémon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Will (Pokemon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Lt. Surge → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Lt. Surge (Pokémon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Lt. Surge (Pokemon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Erika (Pokémon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Erika (Pokemon) → Pokémon (video game series)#Recurring characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

self-explanatory, i hope. this one is for some of gens 1 and 2, and i'm already scared of what gen 5's gonna be like... consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 13:14, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

note that all of the characters (in all cases, the first redirects nommed for them) have history, but also note that all of said history was piles of unsourced fancruft that got removed in 2006 consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 13:20, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Thepharoah17 (talk) 10:06, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Alex Unknown

• Alex Unknown → Sleep deprivation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is a YouTuber group called "Sleep Deprived" and "Alex Unknown" one of the names of one of the YouTubers that is part of the group. This doesn't actually have anything to do with not sleeping enough, and should be deleted. KnowDeath (talk) 11:10, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. The only mentions of "Alex Unknown" on en.wp are two irrelevant collocations. Thryduulf (talk) 12:37, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

delete per above. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ 16:07, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Germany national kabaddi team

• Germany national kabaddi team → Kabaddi World Cup (World Kabaddi)#Team results  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The German team is not mentioned anywhere in the target page. It seems to have been at the time the page was created, as TBD, but was removed in this edit when the results came in, I assume because they didn't place? Rusalkii (talk) 05:45, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to International Kabaddi Federation where the German team is mentioned in the list of non-member countries who have a national team. Katiedevi (talk) 10:08, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• I removed it because Germany was no longer participating in the event. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 19:15, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  I'm of the opinion to delete it because I do not know for certain if Germany does have a kabaddi team. It is not affiliated to the IKF, and the "non-member countries with teams" does not cite a source. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 19:15, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

MediaTek Camera Application

• MediaTek Camera Application → MediaTek  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 3 § Mediatek Camera Application – Soft delete

Nothing to do with cameras is mentioned on the target page. Rusalkii (talk) 05:03, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment This was soft deleted in 2021 when the nomination got no comments after being relisted multiple times. Thryduulf (talk) 09:04, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
• Weak keep this is a {{R from file metadata}}, which are difficult to search for uses of but there is at least one file on Commons with this in the metadata - File:Wikimedians who love Africa in 2025 - (VIP).png. Thryduulf (talk) 09:04, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Battle off the Lizard

• Battle off the Lizard → Battle of Plymouth  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Lizard" not mentioned at target. Appears to be a confusing amalgam of Battle at The Lizard and Battle off Lizard Point, and perhaps unsurprisingly, redirects to neither. Delete as ambiguous. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:04, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Almost all my search results relate to File:The Naval Manoeuvres, the decisive battle off the Lizard - The Graphic 1901.jpg and the 1901 naval exercise illustrated. Thryduulf (talk) 09:16, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Prurience

• Prurience → Miller test  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Prurient → Dominick Fernow  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I think this adjective and its noun for refer to a general concept, not specifically a topic in American law and a musician. 96.89.123.89 (talk) 01:54, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

• There's also prurient interest, which currently redirects to obscenity. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:22, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget Prurience → Obscenity and Keep Prurient. All three instances of prurience in articles used that term in a a general sense or, to the extent it refers to legal considerations, it is not specific to the Miller test. Thus, obscenity is a more appropriate target and does discuss legal aspects in the US and many other countries. Prurient has dozens of links in article space and while I did not check them all, every one I spot-checked appeared to refer to the musician, whose stage name Prurient is listed as a bolded name in the article lead. Given that there is no apparent competition for this title and it is otherwise a dictionary word, the primary redirect Prurient appears well placed. The musician article was previously titled Prurient and was moved in 2016 (Special:Diff/722684294) apparently without controversy. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 01:15, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

List of terms associated with the color brown

• List of terms associated with the color brown → Brown  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Like the RFD's I did for the redirects titled List of terms associated with the color red and List of terms associated with the color green, I only found the section Brown#Idioms and expressions. This redirect should probably be retargeted to there. 1isall (talk/contribs) 01:09, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Can this RFD also be closed as retarget? I realized I could've just WP:BOLDly retargeted the redirects myself. Idioms and expressions are technically terms, aren't they? 1isall (talk/contribs) 01:26, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Retarget per nom. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 01:17, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Iran–United States war

• Iran–United States war → Iran–Israel war  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Untied Sates–Iran war → Iran–Israel war  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Iran-United States war → Iran–Israel war  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• United Sates–Iran war → Iran–Israel war  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Retarget to Iran–United States relations as ambiguous. It could refer to Operation Praying Mantis, 1953 Iranian coup d'état, or Iran hostage crisis. Also, one of them is misspelled/has a typo. LIrala (talk) 18:41, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

"Untied Sates" manages to have two typos in the first two words, delete this one as implausible. Weak keep for the others as this is (as far as I know) the largest direct armed confrontation between the two nations, although recentism might come into play in my assessment and I wouldn't be strongly against retargeting them to the more general article. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:41, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Damn I put a type in one of those, my bad. Delete that and the other with spelling error. As for the other two, I think disambiguation could be useful here based on other examples, it's not quite accurate for relations, nor ideal for current target. CNC (talk) 21:07, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Delete Untied shoelaces and Satay lest this ends up as some recurring Trout on Wikipedia. Borgenland (talk) 07:14, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Keep the two with correct spelling Iran–United States war and Iran-United States war but delete the other two. Lova Falk (talk) 10:22, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Delete we don’t call Afghanistan war the Afghan-United Sates war, same with the Korean, Iraq, Vietnam. It’s about the region and where the conflict is fought. Doremon764 (talk) 01:30, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Delete all per nomination. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 07:45, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

There is United States strikes on Iranian nuclear sites now. LIrala (talk) 06:54, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The two misspelled redirects have deleted. How about the remaining two now with United States strikes on Iranian nuclear sites to consider?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:39, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

retarget 1 and 3, delete 2 and 4. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ 07:06, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

2 and 4 were already deleted. 1isall (talk/contribs) 14:18, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

List of terms associated with the color green

• List of terms associated with the color green → Green  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is similar to the RFD I did for List of terms associated with the color red, in which the result was retarget to Red#Idioms. The only section with terms related to green that I could find is Green#Idioms and expressions. This redirect should probably be retargeted to there. 1isall (talk/contribs) 00:20, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget. This doesnt even need an RfD. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ 17:27, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  You're right, I could've just WP:BOLDly retargeted this redirect myself. Can someone close this as retarget? 1isall (talk/contribs) 17:29, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

July 1

Donald Trump (Wikipedia article)

• Donald Trump (Wikipedia article) → Wikipedia coverage of Donald Trump  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Odd and potentially misleading redirect. The current target is inaccurate because the target is not the Wikipedia article "Donald Trump", but retargeting to "Donald Trump" world also be inaccurate since Donald Trump is a person rather than a Wikipedia article (erroneous disambiguator). Steel1943 (talk) 18:59, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete per nom. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ 07:07, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:27, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Unlinked redirects in Category:Redirects from statistical redirects

• Ubuntu (philosophy, linked from Ubuntu article text) → Ubuntu philosophy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Anna Pavlova (linked from dessert article lead) → Anna Pavlova  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No longer linked. Looks like they should have been WP:G7'd after they lost their usefulness. Steel1943 (talk) 18:55, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

I just reverted the unexplained edit that had dropped it. This is explained at Talk:Pavlova#post-move and I don't think we have enough data points yet to conclude this is no longer useful. --Joy (talk) 19:27, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

@Steel1943 can you please stop this rapid-fire RfD'ing please? This is obviously a matter of cleanup, and once you place this RfD tag, you're effectively making it a bad idea to revert these bad edits without then making the reader navigation worse. --Joy (talk) 19:30, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

@Joy: Disagree with whatever the heck "rapid-fire" means. My nomination statement was clear. Quite frankly, I can't stand the existence of Category:Redirects from statistical redirects at all, but getting rid of that is obviously not happening, so rather, I picked the redirects that were misleading when I made the nomination. Steel1943 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Why can't you stand the existence of the entire category of statistical redirects? It's just a tool to try to help us measure reader clicks better. We barely have any modern statistical tools to do this, this is really a lightweight workaround for what we're missing compared to other websites. --Joy (talk) 19:42, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

I am aware of their purpose. I'm not a fan of them because they basically function as garbage search terms that point towards articles, which goes against the very essence of Wikipedia:Redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 00:32, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

We already explicitly list WP:INTDAB in WP:RPURPOSE, so we've already documented at least one way in which we've muddied the essence of redirects, so to speak. --Joy (talk) 09:29, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

In the meantime I tracked down the other one to this change. I don't see how this matched the intent of the edit summary. Previously, in that sentence we had the words "Nguni" and "ubuntu" (the philosophy) linked; afterwards, the latter link was removed, while the former changed from people to languages. I don't think either of those is more relevant than the link to the actual philosophy that is the main focus of that sentence. --Joy (talk) 19:40, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Philosophy (Wikipedia article)

• Philosophy (Wikipedia article) → Wikipedia philosophy phenomenon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP does not host articles about its articles. This article has been moved to reflect its actual topic, and there should not be a redirect suggesting something else. (See Talk:Wikipedia_philosophy_phenomenon#WP:GNG_etc for discussion.) Patrick 🐈‍⬛ (talk) 17:32, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. Target subject is not about a type of article (though the target article is about a subject ... like all articles are). Steel1943 (talk) 17:48, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Fairly harmless. --cheesewhisk3rs (pester) 17:54, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

  Disagree, considering we have an article titled Philosophy. But even then, my "subject is not about a type of article" concern applies to Philosophy as well. Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

  I'm confused. "Philosophy", here, is not being used (rightly or wrongly) to describe a type or genre of article, but rather to denote the single, unique article of that name. Patrick 🐈‍⬛ (talk) 19:25, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

  ...Huh? That was not clear. Steel1943 (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

  I don't understand what you mean by "subject is not about a type of article". Where is anyone suggesting that we're talking about a "type" of article? What we have are two specific articles: one is a self-standing V-1 article about the discipline of philosophy, and the other is about a Wikipedia phenomenon directly related to that article. Patrick 🐈‍⬛ (talk) 19:55, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

  I'm referring to the disambiguator of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 00:30, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Patrick Welsh my understanding is that Steel is saying that in their view "Philosophy (Wikipedia article)" should lead to an article about something called "philosophy" that has the nature "Wikipedia article" or about class of things called "Philosophy" that are a type of Wikipedia article. For example Togo (dog) is an article about a subject called "Togo" that has the nature "dog", and Newfoundland (dog) leads to an article about a class of things called "Newfoundland" that are a type of dog. In this case, that would mean "Philosophy (Wikipedia article)" should be an article about Wikipedia's "Philosophy" article or about a class of things called "Philosophy" that are a type of Wikipedia article. Thryduulf (talk) 08:39, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks! I was concerned the !vote might be based on a misunderstanding, but that makes sense. Cheers, Patrick 🐈‍⬛ (talk) 21:25, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

  Are you confused because you don't have the context for the redirect? It is an unusual case. The redirect is from when the page was named "Philosophy (Wikipedia article)". I'm not at all certain but I think you're interpreting it as if the name is talking about articles related to the topic of philosophy, but it isn't. It was an article about the Wikipedia article. (It was moved because the page was more about the unusual first links ending up there than the article itself.) --cheesewhisk3rs (pester) 21:08, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

  Nope, no confusion. My vote stands. Steel1943 (talk) 00:27, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep. The target is sort-of about the Wikipedia Philosophy article, and while it's not the most plausible search term it's not an implausible one, and someone desiring the actual philosophy article is only a single click away. Thryduulf (talk) 08:42, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

  What's next? An article about the article about the article about the article about the article about the article... ? Steel1943 (talk) 16:28, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

  That's an improbable slippery slope argument. An article on the article on the article would need at least 2 reliable sources documenting it to pass GNG - it took years for "Philosophy" to get to this point, so this won't realistically happen for another article, especially such a niche one. If the article(s) are still created, which is unlikely, they would certainly almost immediately be AfD'd for not passing GNG. --cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 19:24, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

  ...Small text = joke. Steel1943 (talk) 00:26, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  Sorry, will keep in mind. --cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 07:21, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Steel1943 and others, anyone knows if there's an essay or something on WP-articles about WP-articles, apart from perhaps WP:NAVELGAZING? I know Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2006_October_20#Elephant_(wikipedia_article) existed once. Asian News International vs. Wikimedia Foundation is an interesting case, but not that many WP-articles has been mentioned in a Supreme Court. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:24, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  The deletion of "Elephant (wikipedia article)" was caused by it already being covered elsewhere, so I don't think it's a useful example of whether Wikipedia articles should have Wikipedia articles. (The other reason left by the nominator was that it was self-referential, which IMO could've easily been fixed but nobody thought of doing that). --cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 14:03, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  If a Wikipedia article meets the GNG then we should have content about it (either a stand-alone article or coverage on a broader article), anything else would be biased. We do have Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident, Wikipedia Star Trek Into Darkness debate and a few similar articles. Thryduulf (talk) 15:05, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  I have found, on occasion, that if a WP-article is mentioned in media, editors sometimes give such reports main-space room out of WP:PROPORTION. Which isn't that surprising, Wikipedians tend to be a bit passionate about Wikipedia. I note that, for example, the WP-articles Donna Strickland and Recession has had a lot of media-coverage, but this isn't mentioned in the WP-articles, which I think is reasonable. But Strickland is mentioned at Criticism_of_Wikipedia#Notability_of_article_topics, and that's fair. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:18, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  "the WP-articles Donna Strickland and Recession has had a lot of media-coverage, but this isn't mentioned in the WP-articles"

  If I'm understanding this correctly, it absolutely should not be as that would be a self-reference. If a Wikipedia article has media coverage, this shouldn't be mentioned in the article itself, so mentioning it on a page about Wikipedia or creating a page for it (only if it passes GNG) is reasonable. --cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 19:01, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  If I'm understanding this correctly, it absolutely should not be as that would be a self-reference it gets tricky, but if the topic is notable enough for a mention but not a whole article then the subject article might be the best place for it. For example I recall reading an article where there was 1-2 sentences about how the subject reacted to seeing something wrong on their article but beyond it possibly being a radio presenter I can't remember enough to find it again. Thryduulf (talk) 20:17, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  We do sometimes mention "WP-kerfuffle" in the articles, it depends on whatever (WP:DUE/WP:PROPORTION hopefully). Clarice Phelps is one example, and Talk:Emily_St._John_Mandel#RFC:_attempt_to_correct_the_Wikipedia_article is an example when editors decided "let's not include this." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:12, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

  I agree, there's no reason to discriminate against Wikipedia articles just because it would be written on Wikipedia. (Though a lot of the time, due to the changing nature of Wikipedia, making an article on an article would be more complicated than an article on, like in this example, the article's properties. It would be hard to update an article on an article which, if it passes GNG, probably has a lot of edit activity and changes quite frequently. Trying to update the article on the article would be difficult without violating WP:NOR, although even if it's a challenge, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done - per NPOV.) --cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 18:56, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  We do have List of lists of lists. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:59, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep per Thryduulf. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:59, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
• Weak keep per WP:UNPANDORA and the above. I agree we should focus on the plausibility of the redirect, and as Thryduulf noted its reasonable that someone searching for Philosophy the article is looking for information on the phenomenon. — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 22:19, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Just to add on, there's also an argument to be made based on WP:RFD#KEEP 1: The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name. — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 06:14, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Aruba national cricket team & others

• Aruba national cricket team → Aruba#Sport  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Curaçao national cricket team → Curaçao#Sports  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• American Samoa national cricket team → Cricket in Oceania#American Samoa  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Northern Mariana Islands national cricket team → Northern Mariana Islands#Sports  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Guam national cricket team → Guam#Sports  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Macau national cricket team → Macau#Sports  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not an appropriate redirect. There is no such thing as the Aruba national cricket team. Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 13:20, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Update - Added several more redirects. There are no national cricket teams, at least not recognized ones, in any of these territories. Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 13:30, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Keep American Samoa national cricket team as it's a reasonable search term pointing to the appropriate target. Retarget Guam national cricket team to Cricket in Oceania#Guam. Delete the others as not mentioned at target, or anywhere else that I could find. 9ninety (talk) 15:03, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Support 9ninety's suggestions to keep where sections exist and delete where they don't. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:29, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Deepak Punia (rugby union)

• Deepak Punia (rugby union) → India men's national rugby sevens team  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. Unless someone can add a source for it or add this player on the squad list at the squad section, just delete unless the player is actually mentioned. Servite et contribuere (talk) 12:55, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Delhi Redz. Deepak Punia currently plays for the Delhi Redz and his name appears in the article. Katiedevi (talk) 20:26, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete people change or leave teams all the time, so redirecting to the team will become meaningless if/when he leaves that team, as he'll no longer be mentioned there. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:30, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Retarget to 2025 Rugby Premier League#Squads where his mention should remain longer than at Delhi Redz. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:47, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Turkish genocide (19th–20th century)

• Turkish genocide (19th–20th century) → Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Turkish genocide (1820–1920) → Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Genocide of Turkish people → Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish genocide; the concerns there do not appear to have been addressed by adding a timestamp. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

There's also Turkish genocide (1820–1920) and Genocide of Turkish people from the same creator, might be worth bundling? 86.23.87.130 (talk) 22:53, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Added those. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:42, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Also listed Turkish massacre. Maybe all of these should be considered together. Bogazicili (talk) 20:28, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

• At Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 24#Turkish massacre I recommend disambiguating that term. If that gains consensus then redirecting this to it will probably be the most helpful - this could refer to genocide of Turks or genocide by Turks. Thryduulf (talk) 21:17, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

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Sleeping dictionary

• Sleeping dictionary → The Sleeping Dictionary  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per Wiktionary, a sleeping dictionary is "a sexual partner who also serves as a native informant or language teacher for a person visiting the region from outside". That is a general concept that probably could be explored in a Wikipedia article of its own, either of that title or something broad-concept like travel and sex. As such, I think WP:RETURNTORED applies. A redirect to Wiktionary would also be acceptable. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 14:10, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

• Soft redirect to that Wiktionary entry/weak keep drinks or coffee ~ ♪ 16:11, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
• Disambiguate between wikt:sleeping dictionary, The Sleeping Dictionary, and The Sleeping Dictionary (novel) per WP:PRIMARYRED. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:13, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
• Drafted a dab at the redirect. Jay 💬 03:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Disambiguate per Jay's draft Katiedevi (talk) 21:34, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• The dab draft doesn't make any sense; since The Sleeping Dictionary is primary over The Sleeping Dictionary (novel) for the term "The Sleeping Dictionary" surely it's also primary for "sleeping dictionary" which makes the disambiguation page void. I think either delete or retarget to Wiktionary convey what is meant to be accomplished here better. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:30, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

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Mythical and miracle power of pyramids

• Mythical and miracle power of pyramids → Pyramid  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Was originally it’s own page, now doesn’t have much use as a page, unless maybe a redirect to Pyramid power. Thepharoah17 (talk) 17:46, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to Pyramid power per Thepharoah. Katiedevi (talk) 21:40, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete, overly specific and implausible search term. The history was merely an unsourced personal essay-type thing, of no need to keep. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 06:28, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

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Spanking pyramid

• Spanking pyramid → Pyramid#human pyramid  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Paddling pyramid → Pyramid#human pyramid  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Paddle pyramid → Pyramid#real pyramids - See also  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The current target isn’t correct. Maybe Spanking paddle is supposed to be the correct target. But "pyramid" is only mentioned once in the entire article so maybe it isn't. Thepharoah17 (talk) 17:35, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget all three to Spanking paddle#Other play and traditions. This would likely be what the reader is looking for. Katiedevi (talk) 21:46, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. The above suggested target mentions it once in passing, but it's unsourced and provides no explanation of what it actually is, so is of no use to a reader. God, I'm glad we have that information there about who's been spanked on Howard Stern's show 🙄 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:36, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

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Solgier

• Solgier → Soldier  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely typo Thepharoah17 (talk) 20:46, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

• Weak delete, while it is outside of a one-key radius (which i consider implausible), pronouncing the word does make it sound like the d is a g. Not enough to make me want to keep, but enough to not ignore. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 01:47, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. Not a typo, but a plausible phonetic spelling that's not uncommon based on google web and books results. Thryduulf (talk) 01:59, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per WP:TYPO. Absolutiva (talk) 05:07, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

  As noted above, this is not a typo. Thryduulf (talk) 11:49, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. There is nothing special about "soldier" that requires this particular phonetic spelling redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:16, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. Plausible enough to appear on the web. Duckmather (talk) 18:43, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• Weak keep phonetic spelling ie. //soulja// -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 21:15, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

Delete, in QWERTY keyboards D and G is seperated by F. drinks or coffee ~ ♪ 13:44, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

That is true but irrelevant, this is a phonetic misspelling not a typo. Thryduulf (talk) 17:29, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Delete not convinced. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:01, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

• Sure it's an unlikely typo, but Keep because it's a misspelling, not a typo, and the delete votes have not convinced me otherwise. Jay 💬 10:35, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete from page history it was definitely created because of the typo. Google books results do indicate use as an archaic phonetic spelling, but I'd argue under WP:RFD#DELETE rule 8 that it would qualify as a "very obscure synonym", and the mere 151 pageviews this page has gathered over the past decade seem to support this fact. also just want to note the phonetic spelling argument could be widely evoked for any number of archaic spellings from "smallist" to "gyvyn" — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 02:15, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
• Weak keep as a phonetic misspelling. Do we need this? Probably not. But it's harmless, seemingly unambiguous, and potentially helpful to someone. Mdewman6 (talk) 03:16, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Blocklog

• Wikipedia:Blocklog → Special:Log/block  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect to a special page, therefore the redirect doesn't actually work (it's more like a soft redirect). I don't know if converting into a soft redirect using {{Soft redirect}}, or retarget to something like Help:Log, which describes this process. Or even retarget to the historical page Wikipedia:Historical archive/Logs/Block log, to match WP:Block log. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 02:19, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

• Technical comment If everyone thinks the current target is good, i.e. we want people searching for "WP:Blocklog" to end up at the block log special page, the technical setup shouldn't be a reason to do anything except replace the current coding with the proper {{Soft redirect}} coding. Nyttend (talk) 05:04, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
• Convert to soft redirect. This has existed since 2004, so I'd avoid messing too much with it. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:56, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
• Convert to a soft redirect per above. Thryduulf (talk) 13:06, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Retarget to Wikipedia:Historical archive/Logs/Block log (as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of Wikipedia:Block log), which contains links to the current block log and also the various historical block logs from prior to 23 December 2004. I don't see a reason why the spaced and unspaced titles should lead to different targets. Thryduulf (talk) 13:09, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Wikipedia:Historical archive/Logs/Block log per Thryduulf. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:24, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

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@Jay: Why was this relisted? I would have closed is as retarget, which three of the four participants have agreed to. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:39, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Who is the third, after you and Thryduulf? Jay 💬 14:30, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Justjourney, in the first post. Thryduulf (talk) 14:45, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Then, won't that be three of the five? Jay 💬 18:43, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

I was assuming that they (the OP) were included in Jay's count of 4 but Nyttend's "technical comment" not expressing an opinion wasn't. Thryduulf (talk) 18:48, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Honestly, when I opened the discussion, I wasn't really sure what target to retarget to (as you see above, I was kind of on the fence with the suggested targets). So I don't know if I would've closed this or not (I don't close XFDs).

Additional comment: WP:Movelog targets Special:Log/move, like this one. In this case, WP:Move log also targets the same page. I may simply convert these into soft redirects, unless someone has a better option for these redirects. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 19:44, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

I also couldn't find a historical archive for the move log. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 19:45, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

I don't know about that: If I were closing this discussion, I would have interpreted the nominator's statement as a "do not keep" vote since their stance didn't commit on any one option. Steel1943 (talk) 16:41, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. Someone searching this would be wanting the current blocklog and not a historical archive. I have no issue with the redirect being a (pseudo-)soft redirect, which also has the benefit of the ability to add a hatnote to the historical archive if desired. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:11, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

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First fire

• First fire → Furnace#First fire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• First Fire → Junta (game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]  (Bundled. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:15, 1 July 2025 (UTC))

Exists from a previous PROD but the target is now a DAB - and the phrase doesn't appear in any of the articles Ivey (talk - contribs) 16:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

• Comment. Assuming the PRODed content was accurate (it was unreferenced but plausible, although mostly how-to) then this is a specific term in relation to furnaces (google suggests it isn't limited to any one type). My first thought was "origin of fire", searching that phrase led me to The Origin of Fire, which is a 1902 Finnish cantata and I would be very surprised to land there after using this search term! Control of fire by early humans is closer to what I was thinking of but I'm not certain that's close enough? It wouldn't help people who are looking for the usage in relation to furnaces, but it is linked as "earliest fire" on Template:Human timeline and it is the primary topic when I google "first fire" -Wikipedia when I exclude partial title matches of (probably non-notable) businesses and histories of fire brigades. Thryduulf (talk) 02:18, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

  Another thought I just had was when earth's atmosphere could first support (sustained) fire (I vaguely recall a PBS Eons or SciShow episode about this). Google results for my vague query string suggest this was the result of the Great Oxidation Event but that article does not include the word "fire" and nor does Neoproterozoic oxygenation event linked in the hatnote. I haven't been able to think what we would title an article about this topic, and my vague searches are just leading me to articles about the (far) future - the exact opposite of what I'm looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 02:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

  Fossil record of fire would be a decent article for that other thought. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:50, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

  Indeed it would, thank you. Looking at this with (slightly) more awake eyes I'm thinking the best option here is either a set index/disambig or a redirect to Control of fire by early humans with hatnotes to Fossil record of fire and something related to the furnace/kiln sense if we have any relevant content. I'm about to add a hatnote from the former to the latter based on the History of fire redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 10:16, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete. Let's stop trying to guess what the very few using this multiply-ambiguous phrase might want. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:09, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete highly ambiguous -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 19:51, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. I agree it’s highly ambiguous and we are just guessing with no indication readers are likely to use this term for any particular article on the site. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• Content was merged to the then Furnace (now Furnace (central heating)) per Talk:Furnace (central heating)#Merge "first fire", and I have tagged the redirect with a {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 06:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Further to Jay's note, the merged content was subsequently removed so the topic does not now exist in Furnace (central heating). Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 05:19, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Fossil record of fire; largely per Thryduulf's comments above (and deletion isn't clean per WP:Merge and delete) but I think the idea of "first fire" being exclusive to humans is presumptuous. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:59, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

  If we retarget there, we should add a hatnote to at least Control of fire by early humans, and I'm not opposed to doing that, but I still think a dab or set index is slightly better. I'm not in favour of deletion as search results are not helpful. Thryduulf (talk) 10:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment First Fire redirects to Junta (game) for reasons that are not apparent to me. Thryduulf (talk) 10:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

  It was mentioned at the time. Probably minor gamecruft that doesn't deserve a mention, so should follow the same fate as the lowercase version. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

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Dolores Rogers

• Dolores Rogers → List of Mario franchise characters#Bowser Jr.  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Dolores Rogers is an actress who happened to voice the character Bowser Jr. in a few different Mario games. She is not mentioned in the target article. She has done a ton of other work. There is no reason that searching her name should bring you to one character that she has voiced on occasion, especially when she is not mentioned at all in the target. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 16:55, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:07, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Scuiside

• Scuiside → Suicide  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete as it's an implausible typo. I didn't tag it as a speedy deletion as it's not been recently created. Suonii180 (talk) 15:41, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep. This got 14 hits between creation in March and the nomination here, which is a lot more than I was expecting for something that on its face is implausible, so I looked deeper. Searching is tricky because Google is absolutely insistent that I mean "suicide" and shows me results for that so I had to explicitly tell it not to ("scuiside" -"suicide" -"Wikipedia") and even excluding places where it is also spelled correctly I'm seeing many more hits than I would expect. My guess (and I don't know how to confirm one way or the other) is that this spelling as a form of algospeak to work around automatic content moderation, if so then this would make it a very plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 16:13, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment This redirect was recreated after having previously been deleted under R3 (see page logs) — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 16:58, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

  That was created on 27 December 2024 by the same editor (Idek mann) who created the current version, it was speedily deleted (by Clovermoss) on 1 January meaning it didn't exist for long enough for there to be any useful page view statistics. Thryduulf (talk) 19:46, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

  Still neutral on this redirect, but just want to say I'm not really a big fan of using Google to gauge whether a typo is plausible or not. Plenty of results display for a variety of typos, be it peolice or pescticide. Doesn't make them any more plausible based on the criteria by which typos are usually evaluated by (e.g the 1 key rule on keyboards). — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 02:33, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

  There is no "1 key rule", as that's not the only thing that makes something a plausible or implausible typo (for example the most common typo I make is "musuem" where two letters are transposed), and the nature of the results found in google searches can help determine plausibility (e.g. where it occurs). However in this case I'm not using google to determine whether it is a plausible typo, I'm using it to try and determine if it is something other than a typo. Thryduulf (talk) 08:56, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

  Eh, just one of several criteria I've seen people apply to determine whether a typo's implausible or not. Out of curiosity, let's say the algospeak theory doesn't pan out, how would you view the redirect in this case? — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 10:05, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

  It would depend why it didn't pan out. If this is being used deliberately for some other reason it would depend what that reason was - e.g. if it turns out to be used exclusively in a specific context we have no encyclopaedic information about then deletion would probably be best. If it is used in the context of something specific and relevant encyclopaedic information is added, then I'd probably recommend regargetting there (or keep if that content is added to the current target). If this is just a typo that's more common than some people seem to expect, then I'd probably lean towards keeping as harmless. Thryduulf (talk) 12:32, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete – Given that I deleted it the first time around, I clearly think it qualifies as an implausible typo. I don't think 14 hits means we should keep it. It could've been the page creator going back to it or bots but I don't think it's enough on its own to prove that it's a useful redirect. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:03, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

  I agree that the page views on their own are enough to prove this is a useful redirect, but they are enough to prove that a deeper look is warranted (note that the stats measure human views so it definitely isn't bots). So I did that deeper look and the evidence I found doing that is enough for me to believe this could be a useful redirect. In the absence of stronger evidence that is definitely not useful, that is enough for me to recommend keeping. Thryduulf (talk) 21:10, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

  My personal threshold for that is a number higher than 14. I'd be more hesitant to delete it if there were 50 pageviews instead. But 14 is not a high enough number to justify what I see as an implausible typo. If this was algospeak, you would've found proof of that when searching the term. It isn't hard to find examples when a word is actually used that way. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:49, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

  Once again, the page views on their own are irrelevant (but 14 views in three months [the stats tool records only hits by humans while the title is a blue link] is a lot more than the low single figures I would expect for a completely implausible typo). When searching the term I found plenty of examples of the word being used in way that is not incompatible with it being algospeak. Because of the search term I had to use to get around Google insisting I wanted something other than what I was explicitly searching for, I had to exclude pages that used both this spelling and the correct spelling which would also exclude at least most pages that made the link explicit (if any exist). Thryduulf (talk) 08:51, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Eh ykw just delete it Idek mann (talk) 17:01, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Villalba–Segovia railway

• Villalba–Segovia railway → es:Línea Villalba-Segovia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete, unless there is an appropriate local target. Sending readers to non-English content is not helpful, and no other redirects to foreign language targets exist. Additionally, the plain {{soft redirect}} template is not used in the mainspace (WP:SOFTSP). See here for precedents. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 12:59, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. (Soft) redirects to non-English languages are almost never useful and this is not an exception. I've spent about 10 minutes searching, but we don't appear to have any useful content about this line even though we probably should so I'd add WP:REDLINK to the list of reasons to delete this redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 15:15, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Battle of Manupur (1748)

• Battle of Manupur (1748) → Battle of Lahore (1748)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Battle of Manupur → Battle of Lahore (1748)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I intend to make the page for this, I'd also like to have the "Battle of Manupur" redirect thus also deleted.

This currently redirects to an earlier 1748 battle. Noorullah (talk) 01:20, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

• See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Manupur. @Star Mississippi:, as closer of the previous discussion, do you have any thoughts on this? BD2412 T 01:31, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

  @BD2412 thanks for the ping. I'm guessing I went delete and redirect as a viable ATD but to remove the copyvio concerns. Have no objection with @Noorullah21 overwriting the redirect with a new article. There's always the risk of another AfD and I don't have the time tonight to review the sources they put forward at the AfD to see if they overcome the issues raised by those who argue not to retain. I see no one has edited it since my creation following the AfD. If my G7ing the redirect solves this, I'm happy to save you seven days. Star Mississippi 02:12, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks @Jay. Will no longer save 7 days but my offer stands to G7 "my" redirect. Star Mississippi 12:25, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

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Battle of Manupur (1748) is an {{R from move}} to a deleted article. I guess Battle of Manupur can be speedied as a G7, and the parenthesized one deleted as a dependent redirect. The next admin may do this immediately without the 7 day wait. Jay 💬 13:25, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

G7ed the one from the AfD. I'm not sure about the parentheses one so I've left it. Star Mississippi 02:08, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Comment: Deleting Battle of Manupur has created a "Title (disambiguator) exists when Title doesn't" problem. If the current status quo remains, Battle of Manupur will need to be recreated to fix WP:PRECISE issues caused by Battle of Manupur (1748) existing without Battle of Manupur existing. Steel1943 (talk) 16:25, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Ikkei Watanabe

• Ikkei Watanabe → Ganbare!! Robocon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Mr. Watanabe is a well-known actor, and Robocon happens to be one of the works he starred in. Why redirect to one of his works when we can have a whole article dedicated to him? How the entry is currently treated may puzzle some readers, as they may think, 'Wait, is Ikkei Watanabe one of the (fictional) characters in the show?'. 211.211.103.154 (talk) 09:12, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

India in the Eurovision Song Contest

• India in the Eurovision Song Contest → List of countries in the Eurovision Song Contest#Broadcast in non-participating countries  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Would be confusing since India does not participate in the contest. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:58, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not saying India participates in the Eurovision, it's just broadcasting the contest.
Source of India broadcasting the contest:
https://web.archive.org/web/20250521110928/https://www.newspapers.com/article/lincolnshire-echo-europe-sings-and-milli/170634888/
FaroeFO (talk) 06:04, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

India in the Eurovision Song Contest implies participation because 'in' is used to indicate inclusion. Delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:24, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Oh, I get it now lol. FaroeFO (talk) 16:07, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=India_at_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest&redirect=no FaroeFO (talk) 16:08, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

That one should be deleted too. 'At' is closer, but it still implies attendance: "present or taking place during (an event)." Simply broadcasting an event isn't being at the event—perhaps an argument could be made if local Indian broadcasters attended and gave their own commentary, but the source article seems to imply that the BBC package would have been used. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:27, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

كييف

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 June 24 § كييف – Keep

• كييف → Kyiv  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I don't think we need an Arabic redirects for Kyiv, since Arabic is not a common language in Ukraine A1Cafel (talk) 02:56, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment didn't the Crimean Khanate use Arabic script, and thus, the Tatars of Ukraine would have a historical link to the script... -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 03:43, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Gag names

• Dixie Normus → Gag name  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• P Niss → Gag name  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Will E → Gag name  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Examples of the phenomenon, none of which are mentioned in the target page. Rusalkii (talk) 01:23, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

• This kind of thing really isn't my bag, baby, but a shag-a-listic redirect would be to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Austin_Powers_characters#Dixie_Normous BBQboffin^{grill me} 04:25, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget Dixie Normus to List of Austin Powers characters#Dixie Normous per BBQboffin. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:26, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Chinaball

• Chinaball → Countryballs  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target article. China isn't a primary character in the cartoons so I have no idea why anyone would look for this, considering this has low page views. I would nominate the other redirects, but I don't have the mental willpower 🇺🇸Thegoofhere🇺🇸 (talk) 01:21, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

June 30

Somewhere on the Waterloo to Weymouth route

• Somewhere on the Waterloo to Weymouth route → South West Main Line  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The only place on the internet I can find this phrase is at Speed records in rail transport, where the redirect is linked. While the South West Main Line is the Waterloo to Weymouth route this seems very unlikely as a search term. Waterloo to Weymouth route by itself would be a better redirect, though I'd just pipe it. Rusalkii (talk) 23:09, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Waterloo–Weymouth line maybe, but even Waterloo to Weymouth route is a stretch in my opinion. Seems the redirect being discussed is just for one use where Somewhere on the [[Waterloo–Weymouth line]] would be best. JacobTheRox^{(talk | contributions)} 11:44, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Paris Black Friday

• Paris Black Friday → November 2015 Paris attacks  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Google search results do not indicate that this is the correct target. Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:13, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

2005 Brussels NATO summit

• 2005 Brussels NATO summit → NATO summit  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per Wikipedia:RETURNTORED, the only article namespace incoming link is also the target Dajasj (talk) 21:12, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Fraysexuality (main article)

• Fraysexuality (main article) → Gray asexuality#Fraysexuality  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implusible redirect. GZWDer (talk) 19:21, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Who has time to type "(main article)"? drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ 08:00, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. Target subject is not about a type of article (though the target article is about a subject ... like all articles are). Steel1943 (talk) 17:47, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Eternal Liquid (album)

• Eternal Liquid (album) → The Wandering Jew (album)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target or elsewhere. Page was at this title for a few minutes before being moved by the creator. I strongly suspect this is a weird translation artifact, as the word for Jew ("жид") used in the title of the album is the first half of the Russian word for liquid ("жидкость"). Literally translated, the album title would be "Eternal Jew", the Russian name for the Wandering Jew myth. Rusalkii (talk) 19:20, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

The akron hammer

• The akron hammer → LeBron James  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• The l-train → LeBron James  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Neither of these phrases are mentioned in the target article. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:747C:71B6:4CA5:979 (talk) 23:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to List of nicknames in basketball#L where they're mentioned. (By the way, I did notice those redirects before and thought about nominating them myself.) Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

  It is List of nicknames in basketball § J as name lists are sectioned by last name. Jay 💬 19:08, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

• l-train comment Not among James' more common nicknames. Basketball-wise, I more associate it with Lionel Simmons (mentioned in his bio).[16] Generically, it seems this should be consistent—one way or another—with L-TrainL-Train and L TrainL Train, which both currently redirect to the El train dab.—Bagumba (talk) 08:16, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• The akron hammer comment Also uncommon, but sourcable.[17] Sometimes I wonder if WP:NOTDICTIONARY applies to all these semi-obscure nicknames that people want to bold in bio leads, or here, creating redirects.—Bagumba (talk) 08:20, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• Note that capitalized The Akron Hammer has been salted since 2009. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:44, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

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daisy, lily, and violet

• Daisy, Lily, and Violet → List of Pokémon characters#Hoenn  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Daisy, Lily, & Violet → List of Pokémon characters#Hoenn  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Daisy, Lily and Violet → List of Pokémon characters#Kanto Gym Trainers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

on top of being unmentioned and minor, that's an extremely vague title... is what i would say, if they weren't seemingly the primary topic for those exact words in that exact order from a quick look. still unmentioned and minor, though, and i found nothing reliable for their inclusion in the list of anime characters consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 19:05, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Delete per nom Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:14, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Delete per nom Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 21:09, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Nile Canal

• Nile Canal → Suez Canal  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This isn’t a correct redirect. Even googling “Nile Canal” brings up something up totally different. The previous edit to this page actually said to bring it to RFD so here I am. Therefore, I say Delete. Thepharoah17 (talk) 08:33, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment the redirect has history as an article. The last version before being redirected was proposed for merging with Suez Canal, and Suez Canal#Precursors does include most of the information (although not the term "Nile Canal") so this might be an unattributed {{R from merge}}, although the discussion was brief (2 editors) and didn't achieve consensus. al-Ma'mun al-Bata'ihi#New Nile canal and observatory mentions a new canal (without giving it a name) constructed in 1113-1115, which is not mentioned at Suez Canal and seems unrelated to it. Bashmur#Location talks of "a Nile canal" but the Nile article doesn't mention canals other than Jonglei Canal much further upstream. I'm leaning towards refining to Suez Canal#Precursors, especially if the term is added there, but I'm not certain. Thryduulf (talk) 11:46, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete or convert to a disambiguation page: The Suez Canal is not connected to the Nile, so it's clearly unhelpful to redirect there. The "predecessors", which is to say the ancient/medieval canals between the Nile and the Red Sea, are covered in two articles already: Canal of the Pharaohs and Khalij (Cairo). Neither of them is really known as the "Nile Canal" to my knowledge, which is why I think deleting as too vague is fine, otherwise a DAB that links to both those articles (and any other articles that might be reasonably relevant) is also fine. R Prazeres (talk) 15:56, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Dabify per Prazeres -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 03:45, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

National railway

• National railway → State-owned enterprise  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A national railway is an example of something that might be (but isn't always) a state-owned enterprise. Railways are mentioned a couple of times as examples, but never using this exact phrase. National Railway was a railroad planned in the USA in the 1870s and National Railways lists multiple other entities that have similar names so I don't think this is a good redirect as it stands, I'm unsure whether National Railway or National Railways would be the better target (both link to each other, but neither link to the current target). I don't support deletion as (a) this has been around since 2010 and (b) there isn't anything relevant the search engine finds that isn't the current target or listed at National Railways so search results would be unhelpful. Thryduulf (talk) 12:56, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

What about redirecting to Railway nationalisation? 135.23.202.10 (talk) 13:56, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

I've been thinking about this, and while I can see the connection (and have added it as a see also at National Railways) and it is probably better than the status quo, I'm not certain that it's unambiguously the correct target. Thryduulf (talk) 19:14, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

After more thinking, I'm notnow certain that I do not support railway nationalisation as the target, including for the reasons articulated by Mangoe below. Thryduulf (talk) 12:11, 21 June 2025 (UTC) incorrect word fixed Thryduulf (talk) 11:48, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

Retarget To Railway nationalisation. A National Railway sounds like it would be organised and owned by a national level government Servite et contribuere (talk) 05:07, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget per above. drinks or coffee ~ ♪ 07:17, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to National Railways and rearrange entries there so that both National Railway and railway nationalisation are at the top of their sections. State-owned enterprise is a bad target in any case, and Ieel that someone doing this searching is more likely looking to find out about something that is a "national railway" and less likely to be looking to find out about the process of how we got nationalized railroads; and even so, there's a link to the latter on the disambiguation page. Mangoe (talk) 19:16, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Retarget to National Railways (disambiguation) per Mangoe as I think if it went to Railway nationalisation, there would likely need to be a hatnote linking to the dab page anyways. The dab page includes a link to Railway nationalisation. Fork99 (talk) 09:24, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

George Fitcher

• George Fitcher → George Ashmore Fitch  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I cannot find any evidence that he is referred to as "Fitcher" rather than "Fitch". We have one use of it at Nanking Safety Zone, but as the article elsewhere repeatedly uses "Fitch" I strongly suspect this is a mistake that should be corrected, but as I don't read Chinese I don't want to fiddle with the content without checking the source. Rusalkii (talk) 02:28, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete or Retarget. Agree with Rusalkii. Redirect to George Ashmore Fitch does not make sense here. 'Fitcher' is phonetically similar to 'Fischer' and thus a retarget could be made to the disambiguation page George Fischer. Katiedevi (talk) 22:20, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

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KineMaster

• KineMaster → List of video editing software#Proprietary (commercial)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirected to a section that doesn't contain text "KineMaster" was removed by MrOllie. OOCJZ (talk) 22:47, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

• Restore and AfD. Jay 💬 07:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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• delete without opposition to recreation. the extremely few sources across all previous diffs were of debatable everything, not limited to reliability, usability, and existence. the content of the diffs that weren't vandalism was also pretty promotional, so i couldn't see it sticking in mainspace for long. however, i did actually find some sources that seem to be potentially useful, so it can likely be recreated if someone's in the mood consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 11:38, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
• Restore without prejudice to AfD. Where sources exist and need detailed consideration that is far outside the scope of RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 11:38, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Analysis of sources should be something that is encouraged at RfD, not shunned. I would love for someone to present sources here, which could help me decide to restore and/or rescue it and avoid an additional deletion discussion at AfD. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:37, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

to this day, i don't know what policies would discourage checking sources here, especially when it's actively beneficial to the discussion consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 01:41, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

right, it would probably be a good idea to plop some sources here so i can have a look at them later

i can't guarantee they're reliable enough to bypass the deprecated source filter, but that's something i'm going to worry myself with when i'm out of work

• https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/economy/20210518/investors-panic-over-kinemaster-deal-collapse (wait, wasn't that in 2019?)
• https://www.tudocelular.com/android/noticias/n47238/KineMaster-Android-ganha-editor-de-video-mais-funcional-e-potente.html (written in some indecipherable glyphs, but might be usable for reception)
• https://en.prnasia.com/releases/global/kinemaster-ranked-no-5-among-korea-s-top-mobile-publishers-in-global-downloads-307953.shtml (ooh, big numbers)
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wooper (not a source, i just want to trick someone into reading it)
• https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/biz/2025/01/602_301176.html ("if only we knew the suffering that would befall us next")
• https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/biz/2022/05/175_309004.html (the fact that this is how i pieced together that kinemaster is korean after reading the pre-blar content worries me)
• https://finance.yahoo.com/news/global-top-video-editor-kinemaster-003900001.html (it's yahoo)
• https://www.kxan.com/business/press-releases/ein-presswire/643038309/kinemaster-updates-with-hevc-alpha-video-support-the-worlds-first-alpha-video-editing-app-for-android (might just be an ad, don't put a pin on this one)
• https://www.techradar.com/pro/software-services/kinemaster-review (ooh, a review)
• https://www.prweb.com/releases/5_million_worldwide_downloads_of_kinemaster_the_only_android_video_editor_with_multiple_video_layers/prweb12974002.htm (did they lose 4 million downloads somewhere down the line?)
• https://finance.yahoo.com/news/kinemaster-launches-6-0-version-193000404.html (businessslop)
• https://www.techradar.com/reviews/kinemaster (two of them!?)
• https://www.creativebloq.com/reviews/kinemaster (okay this one isn't from techradar, phew, but the domain name sounds to me like it might be a blog)
• https://en.prnasia.com/releases/apac/NexStreaming_Signs_Agreement_With_Xiaomi_MIUI_to_Supply_Video_Editing_Solutions-149033.shtml (seemingly proof that kinemaster is the facebook of south korean mobile video editing software, for worse)
• https://www.gizbot.com/apps/features/is-kinemaster-a-chinese-app-know-about-founder-company-details-069116.html (proof of the human instinct to assume that all software is chinese)

again, i'll try to have a look at those later, and i doubt more than two of them will be reliable, but it's better to play it unsafe and at least prove that there's something to consider for anyone willing to recreate

and i should clarify that doesn't change my vote to delete, as the pre-blar content is just Not Good™, so it should be recreated entirely, which i can't guarantee anyone will be willing to do consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 11:15, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Re investigating sources here and not AfD, this is not explicitly prohibited but really should be to stop these repetitive arguments for bypassing the point of having separate deletion discussion venues for articles and redirects. The substantive content at this title is the article, not the redirect, so discussion about it should happen at the venue all our policies, guidelines and conventions indicate is the place that deletion of articles is discussed: AfD. If we encourage and normalise playing fast and loose with these things (as here) then we have no standing to uphold proper process at other times (e.g. when proper process would be preferential to your POV).

If you want to abolish the AfD/RfD split, then go ahead and propose doing that and if it gains consensus I'll help implement it. However what I won't do is quietly go about implementing it ad hoc by the backdoor because one or two editors dislike the split for some reason. Thryduulf (talk) 14:55, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

"not explicitly prohibited" works for me consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 17:11, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Just because something is not explicitly prohibited does not mean that it is recommended, a good idea, or even allowed. After all we don't explicitly prohibit many things that we don't endorse because it has never previously been an issue - which this wasn't until bees found their way into bonnets about doing things at RfD that nobody previously considered relevant to RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 18:58, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

a little late, but this really isn't a reason to prohibit nomming blars (especially when it's been blar'd as spam, unsourced, and vandalism) or checking sources here, and i don't think explicitly saying that they're permitted would require merging rfd and afd. if something goes to afd, we check sources on it while treating it as an article, with the possibility of coverage not being significant or reliable enough to keep it. if it goes to rfd, we check sources on it and its relation to the target while treating it as a redirect, with the possibility of coverage being significant or reliable enough to make it an article. it's not a backdoor procedure, it's not bees taking a page from the wasp scout handbook, and it's absolutely not a matter of competence or lack thereof, it's standard fare for editing wikipedia

hell, it's not even like sources need to be explicitly brought up or presented for people to go check, they'll ideally do that regardless to determine what to do with any given page consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 23:38, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete I'm normally in favor of restoring in cases like this, but here there's no need to restore unsourced spam. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:36, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete, unless someone wants to provide evidence of notability. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:37, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Striking until I have time to review Consarn's sources. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:53, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

• Restore the fact that sources have been presented about by consarn suggests that this needs a proper, full discussion to determine notability. Which is the purpose of AFD not RFD- RFD should not be being used for "back door" deletions. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:28, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

  i still don't think it's worth restoring. maybe having those sources here will help someone who finds the rationale, but restoring one of however many extremely problematic diffs will do the exact opposite of helping consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 17:12, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Restore per Joseph. It's best to send this to the guys over at AfD, RfD isn't designed for deciding notability when there's tons of sources to look over. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 17:46, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

a little late, but here are my opinions on the sources, with the caveat that i may as well be pulling reliability estimates out of my ass and should not be treated as possessing an authoritative opinion

• the koreatimes ones seem unambiguously reliable
• aside from the indecipherable glyphs, the tudocelular review seems... shallow? insubstantial? it's probably usable, but... bleh, i'm not feeling it
• pr newswire... paragraph about how cool and awesome and worth it kinemaster is... nah, not seeing any advertisement-shaped suspicious details here. probably usable for an uncontroversial statement about numbers and stuff, but not a word more
• wooper is cute, the main page should honestly just redirect to it
• the first yahoo one is boring. reliable, sure, but boring
• the kxan one seems... oh my black goat of the woods with a thousand young, it seems usable
• same for the techradar ones, i'm honestly willing to call them the best the article could have, and it's likely not even close
• no opinion on prweb, i think my brain turned off for a few minutes when looking at it...
• the second yahoo finance one is an ad
• the creative bloq review isn't a blog, wow. it's probably even also usable
• second pr newswire source, same verse as first... is what i would say, if it was about kinemaster in the first place. i don't know, maybe it can be used for saying that it's compatible with nexstreaming?
• the gizbot one seems almost usable for a short claim about kinemaster not being chinese, but why would we even have that?

again, not the slightest bit confident in my overly generous evalutation, but for now, my vote will remain a strong return to red. sources exist and are likely reliable, but i actually fell asleep checking some of those sources, so i'm not exactly expecting other people to be giddy for a chance to work on it consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 23:53, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Kyoto, JP, KY

• Kyoto, JP, KY → Kyoto  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Appears to be misplaced, should be "Kyoto, KY, JP" A1Cafel (talk) 11:28, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. There's no place called "Kyoto, JP" in Kentucky. Steel1943 (talk) 16:01, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. To the best of my knowledge, "KY" is not used with any frequency as an abbreviation for "Kyoto Prefecture". Dekimasuよ! 22:01, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

لندن

• لندن → London  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I don't think we need an Arabic redirects for London, since Arabic is not a common language in UK A1Cafel (talk) 11:25, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Delete per WP:FORRED drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ 14:30, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Glizzy

• Glizzy → Shy Glizzy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 20 § Glizzy – no consensus

Retarget to Hot dog. Shy Glizzy is not typically known by the mononym Glizzy, and the use of the term as a synonym for hot dog has considerably increased since this was last nominated in 2021. 162 etc. (talk) 06:46, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Retarget per nom 𝔅𝔦𝔰-𝔖𝔢𝔯𝔧𝔢𝔱𝔞? 19:41, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

• Disambiguate per Glossary of Generation Z slang that says it is a Glock handgun, and hotdog. At Lee Major shows "Give It Up Ft. 3 Glizzy" indicating 'Glizzy' being short for Shy Glizzy; at Bissonnet Street indicates a local criminal known as "Glizzy". Also indicate wikt:en:gizzy#English ({{wiktionary|glizzy}}) -- 65.93.183.181 (talk) 10:59, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

  No objection to a redirect to Glossary of Generation Z slang#G. 162 etc. (talk) 16:19, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

2025 Iranian strikes

• 2025 Iranian strikes → 2025 Iranian protests  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This should be deleted because it could refer to the Iranian strikes on Israel and Qatar Thepharoah17 (talk) 03:54, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete as ambiguous; create new redirects 2025 Iranian labor strikes and 2025 Iranian labour strikes to aid in searches. Jruderman (talk) 04:51, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
• Disambiguate since it is an ambiguous term per both Thepharoah17 and Jruderman. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:22, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Family guy catchphrases

• Whoa, ass ahoy! → Brian Griffin  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Damn you, vile woman! → Stewie Griffin  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target. While there a lot of hits for this character saying this I can't find a source I'd actually want use to add to the article. Also, I think the character only actually says this once? Not sure of that one, but it's a bit of a reach for a catchphrase if so. Rusalkii (talk) 00:46, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

• Weak delete per nom. Thepharoah17 (talk) 00:48, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

June 29

Mask of Ice

• Mask of Ice → List of Pokémon characters#Johto Gym Leaders  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

entirely too vague, and just as unnotable. was a pile of unsourced fancruft for about half a year... 19 years ago... why does time have to go forward? consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 23:50, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Thepharoah17 (talk) 00:28, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Delete Completely non-notable and unneeded Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 21:09, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

B. Clayton Bonnefoy

• B. Clayton Bonnefoy → Malachi Leo Elliott  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Should be deleted as it is potentially confusing and has no apparent reason for existing. Ike Lek (talk) 23:32, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

imakuni?

• Imakuni? → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Imakuni → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Tomoaki Imakuni → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

uh... what do we do with those now? imakuni? is an r with history as the result of an afd discussion, and he's a staff member in creatures inc., so maybe retarget there? then again, he's not mentioned there either, so maybe userfy? he's properly mentioned in that gbc tcg game's article, but retargeting there will definitely be surprising... consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 23:20, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete for now – I can imagine a few sentences on Imakuni? could exist in some article (perhaps the list of characters is the most likely place), but I can't currently find good sources to write him in. Such redirects can easily be recreated when we do. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:54, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

game boy color trading card game game... what is this language even doing? consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 12:43, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

painfully minor pokémon anime characters (part 1, probably)

• Harrison (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Harrison (Pokemon) → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Gabby & Ty → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Shum and Cart → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Vincent (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Vincent (Pokemon) → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Salana (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Salana (Pokemon) → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Solana (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Solana (Pokemon) → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Ranger Hinata → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Hinata (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Hinata (Pokemon) → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Nozomi (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Nozomi (Pokemon) → List of Pokémon characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

...self-explanatory. game and anime (mostly anime) characters so minor they really don't stand a chance of being notable at the moment, or ever. note that harrison (pokémon), gabby & ty, shum and cart, vincent (pokémon), solana (pokémon), and nozomi (pokémon) have history, but also don't note it because it was all unsourced fancruft consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 23:12, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:17, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete all as WP:GAMECRUFT, per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:09, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete - per nom. Very minor, and can be easily recreated if there is somehow a need down the line. Sergecross73 msg me 15:50, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete all per nomination. Z. Patterson (talk) 00:09, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete all per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 18:05, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Comment, but Nozomi is actually the Japanese name of the character Zoey, an anime character who is listed at List of Pokémon anime characters. I'd suggest keeping the Nozomi redirects and sending them there, but deleting all the others. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 21:08, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

pokémon trainer (video game)

• Pokémon trainer (video game) → List of Pokémon characters#Trainers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Pokemon trainer (video game) → List of Pokémon characters#Trainers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

currently about to nom a bunch of stuff, but this one is particularly confusing. even before their target was merged in an afd discussion, they would've been misleading, as this implies there's a pokémon game just called "pokémon trainer" (which there somehow isn't) consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 22:55, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

also, note that the accented redirect has history... for one diff that barely lasted 3 hours in 2006, as a pile of fancruft with nothing in the way of sources. i don't think anyone would be itching to see that back in mainspace consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 22:58, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete - implausible/confusing/unnecessary disambiguation. Sergecross73 msg me 16:00, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Ri Hak

• Ri Hak → April 25 Sports Club  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ri Hak is not mentioned on the target page, and I cannot find any reference to a club she may be playing for now. I also cannot find sufficient information in reliable sources to begin an article. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 20:50, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 21:04, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 09:19, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Generally speaking, redirecting to clubs is frowned upon, given that players often transfer and will play for multiple clubs across their career. GiantSnowman 19:03, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete not mentioned at target, and this is a reason why we don't redirect people to clubs they play for at a point in time. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:57, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

LION

• LION → Lion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Retarget to Lion (disambiguation). The DAB page lists several topics in all caps. GilaMonster536 (talk) 19:55, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget per nom. Thepharoah17 (talk) 20:01, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget per nom. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:25, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget agree with nom, but worth noting that seems originally this was created for different purpose (not included on the DAB). Maybe consider deleting? Asteramellus (talk) 00:59, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

retarget per nom. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ 14:33, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Szczecin-Krzekoszow(2)

• Szczecin-Krzekoszow(2) → Szczecin  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It is unclear what this redirect is meant to represent, considering the odd "(2)" at the end of the redirect title. Steel1943 (talk) 19:25, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete looks like when it was created in 2004 it was a stub for a neighbourhood of Szczecin-Krzekoszow: [18], and was then redirected to that article. Either wat, doesn't look like a plausible search term, so delete seems sensible. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:59, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Frontier Park

• Frontier Park → St. Charles, Missouri  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Frontier Park (St. Charles, Missouri) → St. Charles, Missouri  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

An article at this title created by Burkouri was recently redirected to St. Charles, Missouri by Onel5969. I have moved the page history of the former article to Frontier Park (St. Charles, Missouri) to avoid confusion. There are a lot of parks with this name, so it doesn't seem appropriate to have a redirect to the city where just one of them is, nor to have a set index article since most of the hits I found on Wikipedia were rather run-of-the-mill. Paul_012 (talk) 14:25, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

• Instead of trying to figure out how to best handle a title that could refer to several non-notable places, it may be best to undo the BLARing of Frontier Park (St. Charles, Missouri) and nominate it for deletion. If that proposal succeeds, Frontier Park can also be safely deleted. - Eureka Lott 00:01, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

  What are grounds for undoing the BLAR, unless you wish to enhance the article? If taken to AfD, it would most probably result in again redirecting to St. Charles, Missouri. Jay 💬 07:29, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

  • The park is mentioned in the target article, but it's a mere passing mention. We wouldn't be in this situation if the article had been deleted (or draftified) instead of being BLARed and moved. A WP:PROD nomination probably would've handled it. - Eureka Lott 14:15, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

    What you are saying is you don't find "Frontier Park (St. Charles, Missouri)" to be a good redirect. If nominated at RfD, that will be a separate discussion, but it cannot be bundled here because this nomination is about ambiguity. Jay 💬 17:07, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

• Just delete and let Search handle queries without interruption. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:41, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Added Frontier Park (St. Charles, Missouri) to the nomination due to its mention in this discussion. Also, bypassed the double redirect of the originally nominated Frontier Park to have it target St. Charles, Missouri ... which the nominator should have done after they moved the redirect ... as well as updated the nomination to reflect this change/update.
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• Comment: I don't know why Frontier Park (St. Charles, Missouri) should have been bundled here when Jay already specifically pointed out above that it would need to be a separate discussion. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:06, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Buppie

• Buppie → African-American middle class  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Deletion. The target is not a synonym. It may be related, but "Buppie" is not mentioned anywhere, and neither is "yuppie", from which "buppie" is derived. GA-RT-22 (talk) 08:54, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom. I agree it is not a synonym. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
• Restore and add a merge tag to the target or to yuppie. Jay 💬 02:36, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to wikt:buppie where the term is explained. -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:54, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Long story short, I'm not WP:BOLD enough to do a WP:BARTENDER close here, but either someone else might or maybe consensus will get clearer. Either way, seems there is no consensus for the status quo.
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• Soft redirect to Wiktionary for now per Tavix, without prejudice for retargeting locally once a proper target is developed. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:10, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

JWG

• JWG → John Wayne Gacy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Jwg → John Wayne Gacy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I would recommend either deleting both redirects or converting converting the first one into a disambiguation page and redirecting the second one to the new DAB page. In the article, Gacy is never referred to by his initials. GilaMonster536 (talk) 15:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete unless there are any more appropriate targets. A quick search seems to just return a bunch of non-notable companies and such. I suspect there are other people with the same initials, but unless someone is typically known by their initials, they probably shouldn't be used as redirects or dab entries. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:04, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

  Updating to Retarget to Watonga Regional Airport, per Thryduulf's find below. I'd say that even if the SIA is created, the redirect should continue to point to the airport (barring any other reasonable targets found, in which case, a dab is likely fine too). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:14, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• Dabify and include India–China Joint Working Group on the boundary question which has the acronym mentioned. Thepharoah17 (talk) 18:39, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

It could include other titles with "Joint Working Group" such as Joint Working Group between the Roman Catholic Church and the World Council of Churches. Thepharoah17 (talk) 18:42, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Retarget to Watonga Regional Airport per the IP and Thryduulf Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Comment There are tens, if not hundreds, of joint working groups mentioned on Wikipedia that use the JWG acronym, without any being primary. A set index/dab at Joint Working Group would be viable, and when created JWG should redirect there with a hatnote to Watonga Regional Airport which has this FAA identifier. Thryduulf (talk) 18:43, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
  • @Thryduulf: I have created a stub at Joint Working Group, but have also drafted a disambiguation page with four potential senses under JWG. I would not lose any sleep either way if the redirect went to the stub and the senses went to a JWG (disambiguation) page. BD2412 T 22:17, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
    • @BD2412: Thank you for that. Disambig or retarget to Joint Working Group (Jwg should lead to the same page JWG does). I have a slight preference for retargetting, but it is slight. I do not support targetting the airport as joint working groups are by several orders of magnitude the more common, airport codes rarely are and of the three main ones IATA, ICAO and FAA the latter are almost always the least known. Thryduulf (talk) 02:57, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
      • @Thryduulf: After further researching the question and trying to find the origin of the concept of a "joint working group", I am now of the mind that the Joint Working Group stub I created should be merged into Working group. There just aren't sources about what a "joint" working group is that are in any way distinct from those for a "working group". BD2412 T 15:18, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
• Disambiguate for Joint Working Group, Watonga Regional Airport; and wikt:en:jwg -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 21:49, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• Disambiguate per 65.93.183.249, but also include John Wayne Gacy as his initials are used (eg: [19][20][21]). -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:09, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete both. JWG or Jwg seems undue, doesn't seem to be widely used except for airport) - e.g. don't see DAB for JFK. Also, seems WP:DABABBREV might help decide. Asteramellus (talk) 01:14, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
  • It is the official code name of the airport under IATA, so deleting doesn't seem proper. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 03:47, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

User:Rewben Aladeen

• User:Rewben Aladeen → The Dictator (2012 film)#Plot  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Is this ok or allowed? It’s definitely weird. Thepharoah17 (talk) 09:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
Indeed, there is a note on the user's talk page here questioning the legality of such a thing. Thepharoah17 (talk) 09:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• Convert to a soft redirect unless the user requests deletion. This maintains the link the user wants but removes all the confusion, etc caused by a hard link. I've not looked in this case, but pretty much every previous time base user page to articlespace redirects have appeared here it has been the result of someone using their user page as a sandbox to write an article and then moving that to mainspace, those have been converted to soft redirects too. Thryduulf (talk) 11:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: The user has not been active for eleven years. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 11:30, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
• Blank userpage and remove redirect. The user has been inactive since 2014, and it's likely that they wouldn't object to the blanking. Deletion seems unwarranted IMO, and converting to a soft redirect would be unnecessary (considering that the user is no longer active). CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:03, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

  I still prefer a soft redirect but I'm OK with blanking as a second choice if that's what consensus is for. Thryduulf (talk) 12:26, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

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Dance drama

• Dance drama → Wuju  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There are many types of dance drama, not just wuju. This is misleading. Either delete, retarget, or possibly a DAB? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

I see quite a few results for "dance drama" on this site, so I'm inclined to suggest a DAB or something similar. Seems like a reasonable enough search term that I could believe leading to the current target (given it's a direct translation of the name) or a number of other options, so some sort of list would make the most sense. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:19, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

• Only reason I didn't DAB at creation was that we didn't seem to have any articles on the other genres of dance drama. Since WP:DAB requires at least two valid target articles, I went the redirect route. If we do have articles on these other forms of dance drama, a DAB definitely makes more sense.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:43, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
• Laterthanyouthink, QuietHere, what articles should this be disambiguated with? Rusalkii (talk) 19:21, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

  For a start, mudra, Saang, Rabinal Achí, and Khamba Thoibi Jagoi all have redirects with pointing toward them which contain "dance drama". That makes at least five options, though that was limited to just pages with "dance drama" in the title so there may be even more past that. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:11, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

  The one I came across that led me to find the redirect was Kakkarissi Natakam, but there are a lot of other forms of performance that use dance drama, especially Indian ones (see Dance in India), like Kuchipudi, Bhagavata Mela, etc., and there are Indonesian and Balinese ones Wayang wong and Gambuh, and others. Dance drama is a very generic term though. I'm wondering if it should target the section Dance#Theatrical, which could be expanded to include the term, mentioning some prominent examples, and also refer to Folk dance, many of which incorporate dance drama. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:00, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

  Maybe leaving as a redirect, but targeting that section to provide an overview? It might be too difficult and onerous to try to list all the possible types of dance drama on a DAB, actually. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:02, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

• Also Kathakali and perhaps Musicals too. The articles mentioned in this discussion don't really make a disambiguation page, but could rather be a List of dance drama forms or something such. Or a WP:BCA. Delete per WP:REDLINK. Jay 💬 06:30, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

  I am fine with BDD's suggestion too. Jay 💬 10:48, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Retarget to Dance#Theatrical. I agree it could be its own article, but this seems useful in the meantime, so no need for REDLINK deletion. --BDD (talk) 20:35, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete There isn't really enough substance at BDD's suggested target to make a redirect. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:27, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Dance#Theatrical, which is actually a nice summary of various dramatic dance forms. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:30, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: One more try ... delete or retarget?
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Template:Ingoe

• Template:Ingoe → Module:If not given or empty  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unused cross-namespace redirect. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:25, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

It seems that's the only redirect that links to that module. However, you may delete it if you wish. SeaDragon1 (talk) 20:21, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete Template->Module redirects are inherently confusing. I'm also skeptical of the existence of the target; it seems like something that shouldn't need a custom Lua module. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:12, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

List of piston engines

• List of piston engines → List of aircraft engines  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Besides being used on aircrafts, piston engines are also prevalent on cars, ships, trucks, trains, most land vehicles and even on power stations. Should we create a disambiguation page for this for each type of application? Vitaium (talk) 12:24, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Comment This list was created by a now indef blocked user who created many, many forked lists of main lists and new lists for tenuously related small groups of articles, most have been deleted or redirected back to the list they were forked from. There were something like 20 lists that had to be pointed to List of aircraft engines, that list contains gas turbine engines as well as piston engines so the redirect is even less useful (noting that I turned it into a redirect!).

I think a list covering all piston engines is impractical, not sure if it can be done technically but this could be redirected to Category:Piston engines. Failing that it would probably be easier to delete it, don't think anything will be lost. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 14:08, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

B1454 road

• B1454 road → B roads in Zone 1 of the Great Britain numbering scheme  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

non-existent road harrz ^talk 10:56, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

This one does appear to exist [22], but it's not currently mentioned in the target article. I'd say keep and add mention. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:FAB8:C00:A757:B61E (talk) 00:37, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

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• There is more information at A roads in Zone 1 of the Great Britain numbering scheme § 1000s than at the current target. Jay 💬 07:21, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: for consideration of Jay's observation
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Big Steel

• Big Steel → U.S. Steel  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It was created because it was an apparently once a common nickname for U.S. Steel. However, shouldn't this actually be an article about large Steel corporations? I think this redirect should be Blanked to encourage users to create an article about Big Steel. There is already Big Oil, and Big Tech. Surely there should be some sort of article on Big Steel. Right? Servite et contribuere (talk) 22:29, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

We don't blank articles without redirect; we do "delete per WP:REDLINK" though. Steel1943 (talk) 01:14, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

• @Servite et contribuere: Can you provide some sources to support the nomination? Jay 💬 02:59, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: another try
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• I'll just throw this out here for the heck of consensus building ... delete per my comment earlier in the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 18:03, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Blade (2025 upcoming film)

• Blade (2025 upcoming film) → List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films#Blade  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Factually incorrect and improper disambiguation that was erroneously created and accepted as a separate draft from Draft:Blade (upcoming film). There is no Blade film set to release this year, and the contents of this redirect's history are not worth keeping when compared to the more developed draft. Should the Blade film eventuate, that is already covered by the appropriately titled Blade (upcoming film) redirect. For reference, Blade (2025 film) no longer exists. — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥 ^{(discuss · contribs)} 22:54, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete as misleading and factually incorrect. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:02, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
• Move back to draft to an appropriate title like Draft:Blade (upcoming film) (2), and redirect it to Draft:Blade (upcoming film) if it is a content fork with no additional value. If there were additions that are not available at the proper draft, merge-and-redirect may be done. Jay 💬 07:09, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Move without redirect to Draft:Blade (upcoming film) (2) and retarget it to Draft:Blade (upcoming film) per Jay. (I was originally going to close the discussion to this result, but then I realized that such a close is not compatible with the nominator's statement.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:30, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Cambodia national beach soccer team

• Cambodia national beach soccer team → Cambodia national football team  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nothing about beach soccer is mentioned in the target page -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:28, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete – Beach soccer and association football are definitely similar, but they are not the same sport anymore than the marathon and race walking are. Changing the redirect to Football Federation of Cambodia doesn't make sense since they do not have a national team. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 02:02, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

NaMo

• NaMo → Namo  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Re-target to Narendra Modi, most readers typing "NaMo" would be looking for Modi, as in the case of BoJo for Boris Johnson. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 06:12, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Long relationship

• Long relationship → Intimate relationship  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This seems incorrect as it could refer to long-distance relationship so I lean delete. Thepharoah17 (talk) 00:17, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: it could also mean Long-term relationship, which is currently a redirect to Committed relationship. Jruderman (talk) 00:54, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
• Comment the current target is definitely wrong, but I don't think long-distance relationship is great either. Committed relationship is the best of the three, as that matches the first page of Google results, but is this really restricted to romantic and similar relationships? My first thought was that could equally refer to business relationships as well. Thryduulf (talk) 01:09, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete Agree with comments and nom. I think it adds confusion and doesn't meet the Purpose of Redirect. Asteramellus (talk) 01:20, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

June 28

SB 4-C

• SB 4-C → Detention and deportation of American citizens in the second Trump administration#Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Florida Senate Bill 4-C → Detention and deportation of American citizens in the second Trump administration#Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]  (Bundled. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:53, 28 June 2025 (UTC))
• Florida SB 4-C → Detention and deportation of American citizens in the second Trump administration#Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]  (Bundled. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:53, 28 June 2025 (UTC))

Incorrectly tagged with PROD by Armeym (talk · contribs) with rationale: Redirect destination contains no information about what SB 4-C is or does, except for a single instance where its use is mentioned. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:RETURNTORED. I could see a plausible article being written, and the singular mention is trivial at best. — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 04:06, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
• Also bundle Florida SB 4-C from the same creator. Jay 💬 07:30, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete. There's a section about a Senate Bill 4C at Central Florida Tourism Oversight District#Abolition. Does Florida renumber their Senate Bills every year/term? I hope the same bill isn't being used to abolish districts and detain citizens... -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:58, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

  Comment nice catch! It does appear they renumber their bills every year : looks like 4C just means the 2nd bill passed in session C each year since apparently they only use even numbers to number the bills or something idk — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 17:15, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Unreserved seat

• Unreserved seat → Passenger rail transport in China  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I don't know what it is with all these non-Chinese titles redirecting to articles about Chinese trains, but this title is very ambiguous. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 03:43, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• Weak delete as not right target and don’t know what would be a better target. Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:40, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
• Weak delete or retarget to Seating assignment (where Reserved seating redirects) (my preference between the two has changed multiple times while writing this comment). Seating assignment is the closest encyclopaedic content that I can find, but that article is about seating in entertainment venues not other places that might have reserved or unreserved seating such as transport or governmental assemblies (Reserved seats redirects to Reserved political positions, although I'm not sure it should). There is almost certainly scope for at least a broad concept article about seat reservations in general and that would be the best target for this. Thryduulf (talk) 11:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

  Seating assignment should at least be expanded to included transportation IMO, which would strengthen the case for retargeting. I'm not sure what the best way to deal with the political examples would be, though. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Seating assignment per Thryduulf where General seating redirects. Although I think that and Unreserved seat should be refined to #General_admission that says it is also known as open seating or free seating. Agree with Presidentman about the expansion. Jay 💬 07:39, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

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Julie N.

• Julie N. → Julie N oil spill  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Julie N oil spill originally misspelled the name of the ship involved in the oil spill as "Julie N.", with the period at the end. This redirect used to point to "Julie N. oil spill" (with a period after the N) -- an article whose name was corrected to "Julie N oil spill" (no period). This redirect is an orphan and also not the name of the ship. Alternatively it might make sense to move this redirect to "Julie N," but I don't really think a redirect would be useful there regardless. —tony 20:01, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep (and create Julie N). This is both a plausible search term and a {{R from move}}, both reasons to keep, and this appears to be the closest thing to a primary topic. We have a few articles about people called Julie with surnames starting with N, but none of them are particularly known by their first name and initial, so a hatnote to Julie (given name)#People (and expanding that list) would be sufficient. Thryduulf (talk) 21:17, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Reading town

• Reading town → Reading, Berkshire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Reading (town) → Reading, Berkshire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Town of Reading → Reading, Berkshire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Reading Town → Reading, Berkshire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There are lots of towns named "Reading" so this isn’t correct. Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget Reading_(disambiguation)#Places ? Jruderman (talk) 23:17, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
• Disambiguate. There are a lot of places named "Reading" or "Reading town". There's also Reading Town F.C.. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 23:20, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Reading_(disambiguation)#Places per above, working disambig page that covers all of the above — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 05:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

  In light of the comments below, suggest including a hatnote (maybe one of those 'X redirects here') to Reading Town F.C. and Reading Town Regatta. Reading Township (dab page) is listed under Reading_(disambiguation)#Places — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 17:56, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Reading (disambiguation)#Places does not include the football club Reading Town F.C., which is listed at Reading (disambiguation)#Sport. Thryduulf (talk) 11:05, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, and there's also Reading Town Regatta, which is not currently listed under Reading (disambiguation)#Sport. The #Places section also does not include titles like:

  • Reading Township, Pennsylvania
  • Reading Township, Michigan
  • Reading Township, Perry County, Ohio
  • Reading Township, Livingston County, Illinois
  • Reading Township, Calhoun County, Iowa
  • Reading Town Hall

  (The townships are listed at Reading Township). A solution might be to make a separate disambiguation page pointing to Reading (disambiguation)#Places, Reading Township, and any "leftover" titles such as Reading Town F.C. and Reading Town Regatta. Perhaps there is something better? 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 11:22, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment While investigating the page history, I discovered Reading (town) which also redirects to Reading, Berkshire. Results of this RfD should probably be applied to that page as well — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 17:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. The target is the primary topic for these redirects. It is, by far, the most populated place of all the Readings. Sure, there are many other towns with the name, but the one in England is the primary topic for a geographical place. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:49, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per Shhhnotsoloud. Also, "x town" has affinity to England, at least for this reader (e.g. "In Reading town...") Cremastra (talk) 16:55, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Reading (disambiguation); I'm not convinced by the primary topic argument, especially for a partially disambiguated title with so many other uses. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:24, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Retarget to Reading (disambiguation)#Places, on the strength of Reading, Pennsylvania, alone. If there are townships missing from the disambiguation page, add them. BD2412 T 19:50, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

  The problem with that target is that it doesn't include entries for things explicitly called "Reading Town" - and generally they shouldn't be as they are just partial title matches for "Reading". Thryduulf (talk) 21:12, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Gâteau

• Gâteau → Cake  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Gateau → Layer cake  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does this pass WP:FORRED? 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 00:32, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

• Maybe refine to Cake#Sponge cake since it's mentioned, else delete per WP:FORRED— 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 03:55, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
• Gateau currently targets Layer cake, so probably should be bundled. I think it is targeted there as based (perhaps) on The French term gâteau is used for a cake in France, and in the UK it means a layer cake. being in layer cake. I think gâteau is common enough in English in names of cakes that doing something with it makes sense rather than a redlink and depending on search results? Skynxnex (talk) 14:23, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

  Then we might as well target both to Cake, since someone searching for "Gâteau" will probably be looking for the article about cake, not just a mention of the French word. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 23:24, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

  I have bundled Gateau, Balsam Cottonwood. Skynxnex (talk) 17:45, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

• Changing to disambiguate since there are a number of articles that feature 'Gateau' or 'Gâteau' in their name, such as Black Forest gateau, Petit gâteau, Gâteau nantais, etc. — [[User:VolatileAnomaly|🪫Volatile]] ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 01:12, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Restoring original !vote due to misunderstanding of WP:PTM — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 07:36, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep as a French loanword, and point Gateau to the cake article to match. See wikt:gateau for more info. Disambiguation wouldn't be appropriate, because the identified items are all WP:PTMs. - Eureka Lott 02:02, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
  • @EurekaLott: The 2nd nom was added after your !vote, I think. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• Target both to Cake. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• Disambiguate we have Hélène Gateau who is not any sort of cake, but is a person; Gateau du Rowa is a fictional character; I will note that Black Forest gateau and Buckwheat gateau use English instead of French, so uses gateau as a loan word. A disambiguation page is better than a hatnote at Cake. There also being the homophone Gato (disambiguation) - 65.93.183.249 (talk) 21:37, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

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I'd like both to redirect to the same place. Looking at some high-quality sources, we see:

• These days, it's usually a rich, elaborately decorated cake.[23][24]
• In its original English use (c. Victorian era), it was any kind of cake, and even things that weren't really cake, but had some cake-like qualities.[25] It even included molded rice puddings.[26] Elaborately decorated layer cakes became the more popular use later.[27]
• In last half-century, it typically uses a boring sponge cake, but this is not inherent; what matters is the cream (and often fruit) filling and decorations.[28]
• The French word still refers to any kind of cake.[29] Or even non-cakes, such as tarts, pancakes, and Gâteau Pithiviers, Saint-Honoré, and Paris–Brest pastry.[30]

Overall, I think that pointing both at Cake is slightly better, as that encompasses all of the historical, modern, and French meanings, but it is not unreasonable to point them both at Layer cake. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:49, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Ulfcytel's land

• Ulfcytel's land → East Anglia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Ulfcytel" is not mentioned at the target and without a mention that's confusing. It might be better to delete to enable Search to highlight Ulfcytel. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:15, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

It's not inherently confusing for older names to not be mentioned, but in this case, the name is sufficiently different and sufficiently old that it might be best to mention it. Ulfcytel says "Scandinavian sources give him the byname "snilling", meaning bold, and called East Anglia "Ulfkell's Land" after him" in the lead and "The contemporary Scandinavian court poet Sigvatr Þórðarson called East Anglia "Ulfkell's Land" after Ulfcytel, and he gave him the byname snilling, meaning valiant or bold" in the body of the article. There is an inline citation at the end of the second one. Why don't you copy a bit of that information and the source over to East Anglia, and then withdraw this nomination? WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:18, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Aerial apparatus

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Parachute (EP)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#Parachute (EP)

Multifunction

• Multifunction → Multi-function printer  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm not sure it's appropriate to redirect this adjective to the current target: a Multi-function printer is not known as "a multifunction", whereas a Multivalued function apparently is. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:36, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Multifunctional Thepharoah17 (talk) 11:51, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to the dab at Multifunctional per Thepharoah17. Thryduulf (talk) 13:00, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
• I would move Multifunctional to Multifunction, but the effect remains the same. BD2412 T 19:53, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Brent Díaz

• Brent Díaz → Milwaukee Brewers minor league players#Brent Díaz  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Baseball minor league players are grouped by their respective organisation. This player was most recently a member of the Milwaukee Brewers, but never made an appearance for the Major League team, and so did not get his own article. He has since left the team, has not played at all since 2023, and is presumably retired, and the related mini-profile for him was removed from the redirect's target article.

Propose deleting per WP:RFD#DELETE point 2 -- it's confusing to be taken to a page that has no related content.

My only concern is whether it needs to be kept under WP:RFD#KEEP point 1, given the text further back in the edit histor was merged in. (However, it was merged in by the original author, so presumably counts as reaffirming the license..?) Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 11:01, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

It is not inherently confusing to be able to find the name of a redirect in the article. RFD#DELETE #2 gives an example of a redirect to pointing at a less-relevant article. RFD#DELETE #2 has nothing to do with whether the redirect is mentioned.

RFD#DELETE #8 is much more salient, and it is about "a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target". So: Is it a synonym? No; this is a redirect to a broader subject, not to a different name for the same thing. If we pretend that it's a synonym, would it be "a novel or very obscure" one? No. People searching for a person's name, when they end up in a list, are not going to be confused. They're going to say "Ah, this is a list of baseball players, so he must have been a baseball player" or "That's the team he played for, so Dad got something about baseball wrong for the first time in my life!"

The information about Brent Díaz was removed in 2023. At a quick glance, my impression is that the scope of this article is current players only, and there is no place to put former/retired/dead players. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:28, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Fair points – thanks. Feels a bit like there's a hole in the reasons, given the synonym rule shoudl probably be explicitly for synonyms, but still..! What I would add is that this does generally tend to be the route we take: include non-notable players until they become notable, and delete their redirects once removed and notability is never established. See e.g. a whole swathe of similar articles at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 8, including Tyler Herb for the same specific article. Granted, few-to-no !votes, but also no objections. Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 12:41, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Native americancuisie

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Bottle bomb

• Bottle bomb → Molotov cocktail  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Google search results do not indicate that this is the correct target. Thepharoah17 (talk) 07:45, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep. My google results show that molotov cocktails and similar improvised weapons is one of the correct targets, the other being some sort of fishing weight that I can't find any relevant content on, making this unambiguous in practice. Thryduulf (talk) 10:23, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
• Weak delete. The wording of the redirect makes it seem like it also could refer to Bottle rocket. Steel1943 (talk) 16:06, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
• delete the dry ice pool bomb in a plastic bottle is not a Molotov -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 03:28, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep and hatnote Dry ice bomb. Jay 💬 10:49, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

US sailor

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Acceleration, Reconnection, Turbulence and Electrodynamics of the Moon’s Interaction with the Sun

• Acceleration, Reconnection, Turbulence and Electrodynamics of the Moon’s Interaction with the Sun → THEMIS#ARTEMIS  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. The curly apostrophe in Moon’s makes this implausible, and we have a parallel redirect (which I just created) with straight apostrophe, Acceleration, Reconnection, Turbulence and Electrodynamics of the Moon’s Interaction with the Sun, so there's no real likelihood of someone using this title. It's always been a redirect (it's the full form of the acronym in the title), so it's quite unlikely to get external links or links in old revisions of articles. Nyttend (talk) 07:05, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: Someone who navigates by URL and pastes the full name from outside of Wikipedia should be taken to the correct article. Jruderman (talk) 08:32, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per Jruderman. Even someone who pastes this into a search engine should be taken straight to the only target they can be looking for rather than forced to unnecessarily go via search results. Thryduulf (talk) 10:26, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
• Where are you getting this phrase with a curly apostrophe? Nobody's going to type this, so it's not plausible without a source for copying. Nyttend (talk) 10:30, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

  The top three hits for this Google Scholar search (all highly cited PDFs) use curly apostrophes. Jruderman (talk) 11:03, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

  AFAICT the default settings on smartphones create curly quotes. I do appreciate you creating a redirect from the straight quote, but it's not unreasonable to keep the other. If we keep it, then we should add {{R from alternative punctuation}} and mark it as unprintworthy. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:18, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete Useless, {{New page DYM}} will end up showing the straight-quoted version anyway which should suffice. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:44, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

  Why is taking people directly to the content they are looking for "useless"? What are the benefits of forcing them to make (sometimes several, depending on multiple factors we have no control over) extra clicks/taps and load more data? Thryduulf (talk) 19:03, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

North Georgia Finishing, Inc. v. Di-Chem, Inc.

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Scraface

• Scraface → Scarface  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely typo to dab page. Roast (talk) 03:51, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep Adjacent character transpositions are a very common category of typo -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 04:49, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Seating Arraignment

• Seating Arraignment → Judge John Hodgman  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention in target article - delete? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:26, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Retarget to List of Judge John Hodgman episodes (2010–2014); its an episode memtioned on that article. Still swayable for deletion, because this is miniscule for inclusion. Roast (talk) 03:53, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Chinese officials

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Vancouver ramming

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Rice gadu

• Rice gadu → Rice#Harvesting.2C drying and milling  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The word "gadu" is mentioned nowhere in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target article unclear. (This redirect was formally an article that was subject to a WP:BLAR in 2014 after existing for 2 months.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:44, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Merge to an appropriate article like Rice production in Indonesia, as Agriculture in Indonesia § Rice has very less content and would be UNDUE. Jay 💬 13:20, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Plain rice

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#Plain rice

Columbia (Sony)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Hong Kong cityscape

• Hong Kong cityscape → Hong Kong  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Pointless redirect unless we were to have cityscape for every city. Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• Central, Hong Kong is probably a more suitable target, though I'm not fully convinced the redirect is worth keeping. --BDD (talk) 19:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
• A cityscape for every city and a WikiProject on this is a good idea. We have cityscape articles for Zagreb, Tampa, Louisville, Cincinnati, Lexington, Ashland, and Huntington. Central, Hong Kong per BDD could be a compromise target considering Cityscape of Miami redirects to Greater Downtown Miami. Cityscape is more than a skyline, otherwise we have Hong Kong skyline redirecting the the city's tallest buildings. Cityscape I believe is more about architecture of a city, rather than architecture in a city, otherwise we have Architecture of Hong Kong. Jay 💬 07:11, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Possible targets include Architecture of Hong Kong and List of tallest buildings in Hong Kong. Left guide (talk) 05:52, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Salt and vinegar

• Salt and Vinegar → Potato chips#Flavored chips  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Salt & vinegar → Potato chips#Flavoring  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Sea salt and vinegar → Potato chips#Flavored chips  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Salt and vinegar → Vinegar#Grains  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These all need the same target. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 06:50, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: the article Salt and vinegar chips exists. Jruderman (talk) 09:47, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect all to Salt and vinegar chips. मल्ल (talk) 12:04, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete all, standard seasoning for fish and chips (at least at my local chippy), in no way unique to crisps. —Kusma (talk) 16:51, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect all to Vinegar#Grains where the use of salt & vinegar as a seasoning for fish & chips, and for crisps (US: chips) is discussed. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:15, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Retarget all to Salt and vinegar chips. Seems pretty clearly to be the primary meaning, and we can always throw in a hatnote for Vinegar#Grains. Nyttend (talk) 07:09, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

FChan

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft delete

Inscript

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#Inscript

Inscriptional

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#Inscriptional

2030 South Korean presidential election

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

June 27

Spook mountain

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Nien

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 4#Nien

Peter Pan Syndrome (anime)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 4#Peter Pan Syndrome (anime)

Apple Internet Phone

• Apple Internet Phone → iPhone  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Hmm...Apple Internet Phone? I seriously doubt anyone would search for specifically this when trying to find iPhone. In addition, nobody calls iPhone "Internet Phone" nowadays. Also, it assumes the i (as in Apple's iconic branding) stands for specifically Internet, but that's dubious. I'm thinking delete. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 19:44, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep. This redirect is unambiguous. (However, I'm "weak" since I expected this redirect to be created well before 2024...) Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

I forgot to add. Here are the views from creation to today. Only 23 views. It's obvious that nobody would ever expect a redirect like this, even if unambiguous (because iPhone is indeed Apple's phone line that has internet connectivity, ROKR E1 does not count and is much more esoteric) does not make it a plausible search term. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 23:34, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

To clarify this statement: I believe the nominator is claiming that ROKR E1 could be considered ambiguous with the nominated redirect because ROKR E1 is also known as the "iTunes Phone". (Honestly, the nominator should have just plainly stated that rather than basically requiring participants to fish around in the the article to figure out where the potential ambiguity lies.) Steel1943 (talk) 01:22, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Sorry if I confused you, @Steel1943. I didn't say that the redirect was ambiguous, I was saying that iPhone is the primary topic, because when you said that the redirect was unambiguous WP:PTOPIC first came to my mind. I wasn't even thinking about ambiguity when I nominated this redirect, rather the suspiciously implausible title. Either way, ambiguous or not, a long obscure name like "Apple Internet Phone" (not to mention the capitalization) is seriously implausible and nobody would expect such a redirect to exist. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 02:17, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

What I was saying was it seems you were, without directly saying it, assuming all readers either know what the ROKR E1 is and its connection to Apple by just the name or its existence alone. That's all; I've never heard of the ROKR E1 until your initial comment. Steel1943 (talk) 02:23, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep the usage stats provided shows that over the course of a year, this gets nearly 2 hits per month, which is a lot. Many articles don't get that kind of traffic -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 04:53, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

  That is an out of context fallacy, IP. Take a look at "Apple phone" stats and try comparing how pale in comparison "Apple Internet Phone" views in the first pageviews link I sent are. 23 views for Apple Internet Phone since creation, but 722 views for Apple phone in that same period. More than 30 times as much. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 05:48, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Note: I did not mention the views for "Apple phone" initially, as to show it instantly beats "Apple Internet Phone", because I assumed redirect experts were familiar with 23 views in a year being way below average, and certainly low enough to be considered an implausible redirect. Not to mention with this nominated one, recently created. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 05:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

23 views in a year is nowhere near low enough to be demonstrate implausibility on it's own (even single figures in a year don't always do that), and a redirect created in 2024 is at this point unambiguously not "recently created". Thryduulf (talk) 10:10, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

I used the stats comparison between Apple Internet Phone and Apple phone to show that the plausible (Apple phone) redirect can instantly be seen as helpful compared to the implausible (Apple Internet Phone) one. Again, please don't take views for an article by itself out of context. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 15:50, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

The relative numbers of views is completely irrelevant - this is not a zero sum game. The only thing that matters is whether "Apple Internet Phone" is a useful search term, and if so whether people will find what they are looking for at the target. The answer to both questions is yes. Thryduulf (talk) 16:14, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Pageviews unless exceptionally low (which these aren't) are generally not helpful measurements in RfD. Cremastra (talk) 17:12, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

@SeaHaircutSoilReplace because I assumed redirect experts were familiar with 23 views in a year being way below average, and certainly low enough to be considered an implausible redirect. Please do not make up guidelines for what level of pageviews make a redirect plausible; we have none. Sarcastic comments like this are not helping you here. Cremastra (talk) 17:16, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Cremastra. I was not "making up guidelines", I was just using common sense. Besides, if the whole views thing is different from what I thought it was, I will gladly wrap my head around the truths. This is not sarcasm; if my assumptions turned out to be false, just say so explicitly. I haven't even checked this RFD for a while, since by the looks of it, somehow people think that a very novel or obscure synonym (like Tavix said) is at least a weak keep. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 19:48, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep as unambiguous, harmless and sometimes useful (per the stats). Note that Apple phone was was kept at RfD in 2017. Thryduulf (talk) 10:07, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

  Looks like you misunderstood, @Thryduulf. Apple phone is perfectly valid as a redirect. Apple Internet Phone, on the other hand, is the questionable redirect I nominated here. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 15:46, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

  I understood perfectly, I was just pointing out that a similar redirect was kept which adds additional weight to this being a useful redirect. It absolutely isn't determinative on it's own of course, but I was not claiming that. Thryduulf (talk) 16:16, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete as a novel or very obscure synonym. I also disagree with the unambiguous argument, when searching for usage I mainly found Apple VoIP applications. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:51, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

I don't think it is either novel or obscure, since wikt:en:i- prefix means "internet", and was used as such by Steve Jobs, when he started labelling Apple products with it way back with the gumdrop iMacs. So this is just expanding the abbreviation represented by the "i" -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 19:48, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Fish or fishes

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 4#Fish or fishes

Wood v Georgia (1981)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Fisher v. United States (1946) & Fisher v. United States (1976)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete per G7

End of Life on Earth

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#End of Life on Earth

Reference Reviews

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

End-of-life

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Hounds of Shadow

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 4#Hounds of Shadow

Seggs

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

High House Shadow

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#High House Shadow

C4SS

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#C4SS

June 26

Fredarick Jackson

• Fredarick Jackson → 50 Cent  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. "Jackson" is his legal surname, but I can't find any evidence that he's used "Fredarick". Searching for "Frederick Jackson" pulls up different people (Frederick Jackson Turner, Frederick J. Jackson). Rusalkii (talk) 23:12, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Frederick Jackson as a mispelling maybe. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:44, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom as unverified. Since Fredarick doesn't currently exist, a retargeting probably isn't justified. - Eureka Lott 20:33, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
• Weak retarget per MPGuy2824 -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 05:29, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Frederick Jackson; it's a plausible misspelling, as people sometimes mix up unstressed vowels like that. No objection to outright deletion, however. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 18:23, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Weak retarget per above drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ 15:31, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per Eureka Lott, as well as precedence of deleting redirects that are given name and/or surname misspellings. Steel1943 (talk) 16:35, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete - recently created redirect which the creator thought is related to 50 Cent. If we cannot find a connection, there is no need for a retarget ATD to try and fit in as a misspelling per Eureka. Jay 💬 16:55, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Earl of Inchequin: restoration of honours, manors, lands and tenements in Ireland.

• Earl of Inchequin: restoration of honours, manors, lands and tenements in Ireland. → Murrough O'Brien, 1st Earl of Inchiquin  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. Created as a redirect to the current target two years ago, but I can't see why. This sounds like a quotation of a title, but the only appearance of tenements in the article is the title of an Act of Parliament: An Act for restoring unto Murrough, alias Morgan, Earl of Insiquin, all his Honours, Manors, Lands, and Tenements, in Ireland, whereof he was in Possession on the 23th of October, 1641, or at any Time since. Since this is significantly different from the original title, I don't think it's plausible enough to retain. As well, the concluding full stop is unlikely to be included, so it's even less plausible. Nyttend (talk) 04:53, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: Previously linked from List of acts of the Parliament of England from 1660 (Special:Permalink/1143701340). Link now points to Earl of Inchequin Restoration Act 1660Earl of Inchequin Restoration Act 1660. I've tagged the nominated redirect as R avoided double redirect. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:31, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete It's a partial title match as the nominator notes, and "Inchiquin" is misspelled to boot. I don't see how this is a plausible search term. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:47, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete, unlikely Search term. "Inchequin" is an archaic spelling, though, so I created Earl of Inchequin. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:11, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. As long as Earl of Inchequin Restoration Act 1660Earl of Inchequin Restoration Act 1660 is a valid redirect to this article, then this is a valid avoided double redirect, as another title of that act. A version without the terminal period should also be created. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 10:44, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
• Refine to Murrough O'Brien, 1st Earl of Inchiquin#Earl of Inchequin Restoration Act 1660 (which is an anchor) as a double redirect per Tamzin. Jay 💬 07:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

  Also tag as {{R from title}}. Jay 💬 09:05, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Delete Awkwardly formatted, not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:16, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

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Psynapse

• Psynapse → List of Inhumans  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I apologize if this is the wrong venue. The Norwegian pro-psychedelic group Emmasofia has changed it's name to Psynapse. I can't move the article to "Psynapse" because it's occupied by this redirect. What's the proper way to handle this? Prezbo (talk) 09:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

@Prezbo: The article needs to be moved to Psynapse (organization), since the subject isn't the primary topic, and this redirect should be left alone (since it appears to be a significant R with history). CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

I don't know what defines a primary topic, but I would argue that the organization is more important than the comic book character. Prezbo (talk) 09:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

• I have a hard time believing the comic book character is primary over the organization. At best, neither is, but I'd lean toward the org being primary. In either of those cases, the current redirect can be moved without leaving a redirect to a disambiguated title, and then the org can either be moved to the base title, or a dab page can be created at the base title. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:25, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
• Move Emmasofia to Psynapse, and put a hatnote there to List of Marvel Comics characters: P#Psynapse, consistent with Psynapse (comics). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:16, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is the organization the primary topic?
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• Disambiguate make "Psynapse" a disambiguation page; move the organization to Psynapse (organization), there being Psynapse (comics); see also for Synapse (disambiguation) ; Google suggests the primary topic is the Psynapse: McMaster Undergraduate Journal of Psychology, for which we are missing an article. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 13:17, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

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Earthen Vessel

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Development of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Ji Seo-yeon (singer)

• Ji Seo-yeon (singer) → TripleS  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Salt evasion of Ji Seo-yeon, it is soft redirect?, TripleS member involved in several page (TripleS#Members metioned it.) after redirect AfD closure. Delete encourage article creation per WP:RETURNTORED. 216.247.95.184 (talk) 23:24, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep hard-redirect to TripleS. WP:PRIMARY is Ji Seo-yeon, a {{For}} hatnote could be added to the PRIMARY if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete because she isn't even mentioned in the TripleS article as Ji Seo-yeon, she is mentioned by her stage name (JiYeon) or by a different romanisation (Ji Suh-yeon). No value in keeping this redirection. orangesclub 🍊 04:50, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
•  Note: OP has been blocked for evasion. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:12, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Keep per Paper9oll. drinks or coffee ~ ♪ 13:20, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Move without redirect to Ji Suh-yeon per Orangesclub. The only Seo-yeon of the group I see from external searches is Yoon Seo-yeon, the first member. The article under the redirect was closed at AfD only two weeks back, RETURNTORED or article creation rationales are not applicable, and if created will be at a different title (see Draft:Ji-yeon (singer)). Jay 💬 09:39, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:RESULT

• Wikipedia:RESULT → Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Military history#Primary infoboxes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Too ambiguous; same reason MOS:RESULT was deleted   Jalapeño   (u t g) 09:50, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: Saying "MOS:RESULT was deleted" without explaining the context is somewhat misleading. What happened with it was its creator, SMcCandlish, created MOS:RESULT and then about a minute later, moved it without redirect to MOS:MILRESULTMOS:MILRESULT. In addition, if anything, in the "Wikipedia:" and "MOS:" namespaces, "ambiguous" is better served with a disambiguation page (provided the redirect is not too old and frequently linked). Steel1943 (talk) 15:34, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
• WP:RESULT is definitely too ambiguous, and we should not be redirecting unclear WP:-namespace shortcuts to MoS sections. It would be better to make an internal disambiguation page, including MOS:MILRESULT and various other pages that have "result[s]" in their name or which tally the results of processes or catalogue common results of recurrent debates, and whatever else someone might be looking for when they take a stab at "WP:RESULT". Send WP:RESULTS to same place.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Help:Searching#Search results page to match WP:RESULTS. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:07, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Disambiguate per SMcCandlish. Duckmather (talk) 02:08, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
•  Disambiguation draft requested Rusalkii (talk) 21:00, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Clavin (supplement)

• Clavin (supplement) → Devil in the arts and popular culture#Advertising  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No longer mentioned at target. Cremastra (talk) 22:14, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment the target page has been cut down immensely since this version in January, by a now-blocked user (though I do not believe their block had anything to do with this or similar behaviour) Rusalkii (talk) 05:02, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

  The subject is encyclopedic as per that version if the Czech parliament had to get involved to pass a legislation. But unlike other European countries, I don't see a Advertising in the Czech Republic article where this could have been added. Jay 💬 09:48, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

United Kingdom and Ireland

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Retarget to British Isles * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:15, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Hop (TV series)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Retarget Arthur (book series) and Arthur (children's literature) to Arthur (disambiguation); WP:NCRET Arthur (Brown book series) to Arthur Read without prejudice against a new nomination focusing solely on that redirect; WP:SOFTDELETE the rest. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:13, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Merde

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Episode 1.1

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

"Spacing between initial and period" mismatches

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Josef Rudolf Mengele

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft delete

Main pages

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#Main pages

A Main Page

• A Main Page → Main Page  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely typo, does not serve any navigational purpose. 204.111.137.20 (talk) 01:59, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete or retarget. This isn't a typo (likely or otherwise) nor is it a misspelling (despite being tagged as such). It is a {{R from modification}}, but it isn't a useful way of navigating to the main page (the searcher isn't looking for information about the main page). I wondered about retargetting to Main page (disambiguation) as that's where we have links to articles about main pages that aren't the English Wikipedia Main Page (although there is a link there too) and thus closer to the search term but I'm not certain. At present I'd be equally happy with deletion or retargetting, but that might change. Thryduulf (talk) 02:28, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
• Weak retarget to Home page, which (as with Main pages) is the obvious broad-concept article target. That said, the capitalization here is a little unnatural so I won't object to deletion either. Duckmather (talk) 02:18, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete This feels like the name of a specific work, not a plausible search term for the general concept of a home page. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:10, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Cloud First

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

June 25

Tail wing

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#Tail wing

Earl Hilliard Jr.

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 3#Earl Hilliard Jr.

Israeli–Palestinian conflict solutions

• Israeli–Palestinian conflict solutions → Sinai option  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Sinai option, one of many proposed "Israeli–Palestinian conflict solutions", was created at the redirect title in 2023, and moved recently by @Lionel Messi Lover. Despite the long history, I think this still should not be pointed directly at any one solution, given both the plural and the fact that this elevates this particular proposal (not, I think, a particularly prominent one) above others. I think this should be a disambig page, though if there exists a good overview page that would make a good alterative target as well. Israeli–Palestinian peace process is the closest I've found, but it isn't very well suited in my opinion. Rusalkii (talk) 01:25, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

• I agree with the entire nomination. The only other option I've found is List of Middle East peace proposals#Israeli–Palestinian peace process but I consider that inferior to Israeli–Palestinian peace process - not only does it mark that as the main article, but it doesn't include the Sinai option, the Jordanian option and probably others too. We also don't have a single category or template that I've found that lists the various proposals. Thryduulf (talk) 01:57, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There is support to retarget to Israeli–Palestinian peace process, and I would have closed this, but what prompted me to relist was the nom's words that this target .. isn't very well suited in my opinion.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Support relisting to Israeli-Palestinian peace process, but I think the page merits an article of its own right. However, it will take time to develop this redirect into its own article. This redirect is a violation of WP:NPOV since it seems like Wikipedia is advocating for the Sinai option. Therefore, I think it should be redirected quite hastily and then developed into an article later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Easternsahara (talk • contribs) 23:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

DAB per WP:NPOV. Mast303 (talk) 03:30, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This discussion somehow got left behind on the April 13 log page even though that log page was supposed to be cleared months ago. Bringing it back into the fold.
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• Thanks for the find! Human error. Jay 💬 10:57, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Knowledge Graph

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn

Berlin and Leipzig Railway

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 3#Berlin and Leipzig Railway

Great Storm of 2012

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Un bandido apodado el Matafácil

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Titles that bypassed the "consecutive apostrophes" restriction on the title creation blacklist

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Feral gummint

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 3#Feral gummint

USFG

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 3#USFG

List of Divisions of the Netherlands in World War II

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft delete

Yonas Kibreab

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft delete

Myung Hyung-seo

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy keep

June 24

Turkish massacre

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 3#Turkish massacre

Arrowroot biscuit

• Arrowroot biscuit → Uraro  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Arrowroot biscuits → Arrowroot  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

there is also an australian biscuit called a "milk arrowroot biscuit" that, based off my research, looks to be different from uraro User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

• Hmm. And Arrowroot biscuits redirects to Arrowroot, so we should sort that out too. There are mentions of the Australian type at Arnott's Group, Cecil Augustus Motteram, William Arnott (biscuit manufacturer). Biscuit also names arrowroot as a variety and has an image of one. So maybe Biscuit#Semi-sweet is the best we can do? It would be good to mention uraro there, though. --BDD (talk) 19:38, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
• Note I've added Arrowroot biscuits to this discussion as the plural and singular should have the same target, whatever that ends up being. Thryduulf (talk) 21:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Iran–United States war

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 2#Iran–United States war

Karakasa

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft retarget

Bomberos

• Bomberos → Firefighter  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Bomberos (Chilean firefighters) → Firefighter  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No WP:FORRED. Thepharoah17 (talk) 20:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Refine the second per Ninixed. Don't refine the first per Thryduulf. Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:02, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

Refine the second to Geography of firefighting#Chile. Neutral on the first. Ninixed (talk) 22:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget both to Geography of firefighting#Chile, where it's mentioned, per Ninixed. 9ninety (talk) 06:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC) self striking, see new comment below 9ninety (talk) 13:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
• Refine the second per Ninixed. Don't refine the first - per that page "Bomberos is the name given to firefighters in most Spanish-speaking countries" so pointing to a Chile-specific section would be inappropriate. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete the first and refine the second. Indeed, bombero simply means 'firefighter' in Spanish. Since firefighters have no special relevance to Spanish-speaking countries (vs. every where else), and since they have no special relevance to Chile (vs. every other Spanish-speaking country), neither the current redirect nor the refinement is appropriate for bomberos.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:31, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete both. I was under the impression that the term bombero(s) was Chilean, but as Myceteae points out, it is simply Spanish for firefighter. I don't think it makes sense to delete Bomberos and keep Bomberos (Chilean firefighters), which is disambiguating from the former. I don't see any meaningful links to the latter either, so it's most likely not a useful redirect. 9ninety (talk) 13:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• It's generally inappropriate for "X (Y)" to exist when "X" doesn't without a very good reason, so oppose the course of action proposed by Myceteae. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:48, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Ingénieur

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#Ingénieur

Template:Db-blankdraft

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

University (Scandinavia)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 4#University (Scandinavia)

Clint Murchison

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Square root of 4

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Anti-Israel protests on university campuses in the United States

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: No consensus to delete or disambiguate, hence unrefine (as the least impactful action, since nobody prefers the refined target) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:07, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Filmi music

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Inurement

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 3#Inurement

Culture of potato

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn

The Storm of 2012

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Aruba national cricket team & others

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 1#Aruba national cricket team & others

Deepak Punia (rugby union)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 1#Deepak Punia (rugby union)

po(l)ypifer

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 3#po(l)ypifer

SHReK

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Template:R semi-protected

• Template:R semi-protected → Template:R protected/semi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete, as the target page is not supposed to be called directly, either {{redirect category shell}} or {{r protected}} should be used. Retargeting to {{r protected}} doesn't make sense either as that rcat automatically determines the protection level, and this implies otherwise. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 19:51, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep or retarget to Template:R protected per 86.23.87.130. Helpful as a search term. Steel1943 (talk) 23:22, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

  This may be helpful as a search term, but that doesn't outweigh the fact that this should never be used. I should also mention that this was previously deleted (technically not kept after a move) following a TfD. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 02:53, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

  Your concern can be resolved with a WP:BOTREQ if necessary to bypass incoming redirects. Redirects are primarily utilized as search terms, and one cannot expect readers to know all the "secret handshakes" of titling conventions we use in various namespaces. Steel1943 (talk) 14:39, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

  Stance updated, updates in italics. Steel1943 (talk) 16:15, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete or Retarget {{R protected}}. I'm going to disagree that this is helpful as a search term as it stands. Sending people looking for a template to a "behind the scenes"/"core" template that is not actually supposed to be used and where the only documentation is "you're in the wrong place, go look somewhere else" does not strike me as a useful result. Retargeting to {{R protected}} seems like a reasonable option to me, that way any attempts at using this template will actually work, and I don't agree with the nom that it wouldn't make sense. All the protection padlock templates (e.g. {{pp-semi}}) are redirects to {{Protection padlock}}, which automatically detects the protection level. 86.23.87.130 12:45, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to {{R protected}} per the IP. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. It's written as "semi-protected", which is how the protection term is spelled. Definitely useful for those who try to look for the template. 1isall (talk/contribs) 17:13, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Comment I TfMed R protected for merging into {{Rcat shell}}. 174.138.212.166 (talk) 19:39, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
• (nominator comment) I was unaware there is precedent for pages like {{pp-semi}}, in which case I am more than happy to retarget this to {{R protected}} per 86.23.87.130. I still hold my belief that keeping this current redirect is not helpful, as it cannot handle cases where protection levels are changed. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 02:43, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Keep and fix the calls. The titles are not interchangeable and thus instead the redirects using this template should be fixed rather than this template redirect retargeted. Aasim (話す（はなす）) 02:57, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Kilma

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Blo.gs

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Christ Agony

• Christ Agony → Jesus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I might be mistaken, but would a better target be Passion of Jesus? 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 07:47, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget See new !vote below - Passion of Jesus is indeed better. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:48, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget more specific target is better. -- LWG ^talk 12:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
• Comment even more specific is Agony in the Garden, but I don't know whether that's a better target. Agony of Christ redirects there, and it makes sense for the two redirects to have the same target. Jruderman (talk) 03:49, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
• Comment if this is a useful redirect, then yes, a retarget is probably in order. But I note that it has 19 page views in the last 90 days, and never more than 2 on any day. Those views may have occurred simply because the redirect exists and pops up when people type something similar in the search window. So it may be worth considering whether anyone actually uses this exact phrase as a search term; it doesn't look like a probable formulation to me. P Aculeius (talk) 12:01, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

  Perhaps Christ's Agony would be a better title to redirect from. If so, I agree with Jruderman that Agony in the Garden is probably the best target. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 12:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, okay. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Which target?
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• Agree with Jruderman and Balsam Cottonwood that Agony in the Garden is the best target, to match Agony of Christ. (Though like P Aculeis I wouldn't be too upset to see it deleted entirely. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 07:44, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
• Just as Caeciliusinhorto, I won't be upset to see it go because it is neither a title nor a search phrase, but a search input comprised of two words, as compared to Christ's Agony which can redirect to Agony in the Garden. Jay 💬 10:26, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  Second choice, Retarget to the band per Sirfurboy's find below, so it becomes easier during the RM. Jay 💬 17:52, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per Caeciliusinhorto-public and Jay above. Following these comments I thought to search the term on Wikipedia to see what a non redirected search result would look like, and discovered Christ Agony (band) as well as the expected Agony in the Garden and others. I suppose there is also an argument that the band should be the main subject here, in view of the poor grammar, but that would be a move discussion. Regardless of what else happens, the redirect is just in the way. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:55, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to the band and/or move the band over the redirect. We can hatnote Agony in the Garden there is necessary, but a correct title should take precedence over a malformed search term or whatever this was initially meant to be. Rusalkii (talk) 18:11, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete and move the band article here per Rusakii. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:05, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

仏

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft redirect

ABDUL RAHIM AYOUBI

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Potato potato

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Foot play

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#Foot play

Wikipedia:WACP

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

American Businessman

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft delete

KenTacoHut

• KenTacoHut → Yum! Brands  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Ken Taco Hut → Yum! Brands  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Ken Taco Huts → Yum! Brands  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• KenTaco Huts → Yum! Brands  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• KenTacoHuts → Yum! Brands  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• KenTaco Hut → Yum! Brands  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. Appears to be a restaurant featuring three of Yum's franchises in one. I think it's a meme? Does not appear to be notable enough to add to the Yum article. Rusalkii (talk) 21:50, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

• Comment These seem to be a thing, or was a thing. Googling "ken taco hut" turns up quite a bit of results. Since this is/was a Yum! triple-franchise outlet, the origin of wanting to make these redirects seems clear. I'm not sure it has to be mentioned in the article, but it seems to be clearly a subtopic, if a very minor one. The main question for me is whether this is a worthwhile search term. Pageviews on these appear to be sparse. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 00:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

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• KenTaco Hut (not part of the nomination and should be bundled) was an article that was merged to the same target per its AfD. The paragraph on KenTaco Hut was removed from the target with summary editing for style; copyediting. Jay 💬 09:15, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Added KenTaco Hut to the nomination.
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Flagstaff war.

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

2019 Coahuila Challenger 604 Crash

• 2019 Coahuila Challenger 604 Crash → 2019 Coahuila Bombardier Challenger crash  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• 2019 Coahuila Bombardier Challenger 604 crash → 2019 Coahuila Bombardier Challenger crash  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The crash actually involved a Bombardier Challenger 601, so these redirects are inaccurate. Delete. Mr slav999 (talk) 19:41, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

• Keep 2019 Coahuila Challenger 604 Crash, article was at this location for two years and it could break incoming links. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 01:51, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

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• The pageviews for 2019 Coahuila Challenger 604 Crash could have been from Bombardier Challenger 600 series which had a link, which I have just removed. Wait a few months and check again. Delete 2019 Coahuila Bombardier Challenger 604 crash. The article was at this title for only 18 minutes. Jay 💬 02:09, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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Influencer Smurf

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#Influencer Smurf

The Doctors (series 1)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Maggie Weinroth

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#Maggie Weinroth

Battle of Manupur (1748)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 1#Battle of Manupur (1748)

June 23

H. L . Mencken

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Fardu

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 3#Fardu

Turkish genocide (19th–20th century)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 1#Turkish genocide (19th–20th century)

Kamali (Marathi TV series)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

JarsOfClay

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy keep.

pseudo-UseMod cross-namespace redirect

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

LikeThis

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

ZzZ

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: nomination withdrawn.

NupediaWiki

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Coast Guard News

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft delete

List of extrasolar planets

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn

Israeli strikes on Iran

• Israeli strikes on Iran → 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Iranian strikes against Israel → 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

dabify or move both target pages here, including June 2025 Israeli strikes on Iran or June 2025 Iranian strikes on Israel, accordingly. Ninixed (talk) 22:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Close discussion. Unclear what the nominator wants due to their nomination reading like a WP:TRAINWRECK. No opposition to this either being renominated or the nomination statement clarified. Steel1943 (talk) 17:06, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
• @Ninixed: please could you clarify what your desired action is. Thryduulf (talk) 23:56, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Israeli strikes on Iran should redirect to a disambiguation page. *:إيان (talk) 00:00, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

  It shouldn't be a redirect. it should be its own disambiguation page, either moved from the target page (page swap) or redirecting the target page to this new disambiguation. Ninixed (talk) 04:19, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

• Disambiguate / support moves. Disambiguation is appropriate. There is no need for separate disambiguation pages with and without the "2024"; there should just be disambiguation pages without the "2024". Adumbrativus (talk) 02:01, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
•  Disambiguation draft requested * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:59, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

SANDbox

• SANDbox → Sandbox  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible search term. I second Safiel's characterization as created as a test page and then turned into an unnecessary redirect (see history). Janhrach (talk) 14:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:25, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep and permprot to prevent recreation of a random article sandbox, while leading to a dab page that lists the real editing sandbox -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 05:48, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

  Did you mean "delete", if you're talking about re-creation? Cremastra (talk) 17:32, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

  No, I mean keep the redirect pointing to the disambiguation page like I stated. This will prevent recreation, since there will be a page there occupying the space. That page would be a permanently protected redirect, which will guide users to the disambiguation page, where upon, they will find information on where the editing sandbox is located. The protected redirect will prevent random users from randomly testing their edits at this location. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 03:00, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

  This will almost certainly not be protected because there is no history of disruption - the only edits since 2014 were an attempt to CSD it and this RfD notice. Rusalkii (talk) 04:57, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

  Then PendingChanges. In any case, the redirect would direct people to the disambiguation page, where they would find the links to the editing sandboxes -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 03:31, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, and the creator's improper removal of the CSD tag. I see no use for this capitalization. Jay 💬 17:37, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

SandBox

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Whipping Boy (American band)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: restore article

War of the Burning Skies

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Wikipedia:M

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Rhea May Taleb

• Rhea May Taleb → List of Lebanon women's international footballers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Outside of the scope of the List article (10+ caps for the Lebanon national team). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:34, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Women's football in Lebanon. Having read Talk: List of Lebanon women's international footballers it seems like Rhea's name won't be added to the article. A reader searching for Rhea is likely interested in women's football in Lebanon more broadly. Redirects are cheap and this retarget, in my opinion, would not do any harm. Katiedevi (talk) 21:40, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

* Delete subject is not mentioned in any detailed capacity in any article; the proposed target above lacks a mention at all and is thus misleading. Cremastra (talk) 17:35, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Admins: these discussions should be paused/relisted until the scope of the article is determined by consensus. See my comment here. Cremastra (talk) 17:39, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

List of Lebanon women's international footballers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#List of Lebanon women's international footballers

Carla Abdel Khalek

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#Carla Abdel Khalek

Sinal Breiche

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Aya El Boukhary

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#Aya El Boukhary

Cecile Iskandar

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#Cecile Iskandar

Rida Wahab

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 5#Rida Wahab

June 22

Amtrak station (Portland)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Amtrak station (Durham)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Amtrak station (Columbia)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Amtrak station (Oakland)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Blackpill

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Procedural withdraw

LGBT rights in LA

• LGBT rights in LA → LGBTQ rights in California  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Too ambiguous, could refer to Louisiana. Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:29, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget To LGBTQ rights in Louisiana unless there is a more appropriate target with Los Angeles. Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:58, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
• Disambiguate. "LA" could mean either, so this is the more appropriate outcome than a straight-up retarget. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:47, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete (second choice retarget to Louisiana, but do not keep, and do not dabify). Disambiguation is for when two pages could reasonably share the same title. But I don't think anyone would reasonably expect either "Louisiana" or "Los Angeles" to be abbreviated here, especially for such hyperspecific topics. If someone wants to search for this, it's not that burdensome to type out the name of the place they're looking for. Plus, we don't even have a redirect for just "Los Angeles" (and probably shouldn't, since while it's mentioned a couple times on the California page, there's nothing really dedicated to LA specifically there). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 11:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
• Lean disambiguate. My first instinct was "keep" or "delete". Los Angeles is the primary topic for LA so I'm surprised to see a preference to retarget to the Louisiana article over keeping or DAB. I can't support retargeting to Louisiana. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 20:32, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per 35.139.154.158. Also, not suitable for a disambiguation page due to use to multiple unrelated acronyms. Steel1943 (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. Los Angeles is the clear primary topic for LA (as evidenced by that redirect, as well as common usage: most people don't refer to states or provinces by their abbreviations). Therefore this is an {{r from avoided double redirect}} to LGBTQ rights in Los Angeles – which, uh, doesn't exist, but should. Los Angeles is briefly covered in the California article and in any case is an {{r from subtopic}}: the reader will learn we don't have a separate article on LGBTQ rights in LA and will have to scrounge what information they can or go elsewhere. Cremastra (talk) 19:28, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

  I agree that LGBTQ rights in Los Angeles should be a redirect to the California article, so I've just created it. Thryduulf (talk) 00:08, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks. Cremastra (talk) 12:22, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

  At the very least, don't delete as this is a very plausible search term. Searches confirm, by the way, that "LA" always refers to Los Angeles, not Louisiana, as the former is among the world's best-known abbreviations for cities. Cremastra (talk) 17:46, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

  I would have supported that if there was a dedicated article on LGBTQ rights in Los Angeles, not a general article on California. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 17:55, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep per Cremastra. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:55, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
• Fully agree with IP35. Delete because of the abbreviation of a state which is ambiguous. Disambiguation was an option if we had an article about LGBT rights in Los Angeles. It makes sense to create "LGBT rights" redirects to countries, kingdoms or states. City-specific exceptions are like the article LGBTQ rights in Mexico City, where the lead says the rights are considerably more progressive than the rest of Mexico. I would have nominated the recently created LGBTQ rights in Los Angeles for deletion too, as probably the only such city-based redirect, but there is one sentence in the target: In November 2024, The Los Angeles City Council voted unanimously to make the city a "sanctuary city" for LGBTQ youth.. that can be justified, but then we may have to refine it to #Transgender_and_intersex_rights. Jay 💬 11:13, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Delete per IP35. Disambiguation is a very reluctant second choice. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 11:09, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Sleeping dictionary

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 1#Sleeping dictionary

First fire

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 1#First fire

Mythical and miracle power of pyramids

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 1#Mythical and miracle power of pyramids

Spanking pyramid

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 1#Spanking pyramid

List of terms associated with the color red

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Flip (geometry)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 3#Flip (geometry)

Cheese pizza

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Acyrologia

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Gautam Butalia

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Dry heat

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Nile Canal

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 30#Nile Canal

Fine tune

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Hadayek EI Maadi station

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

National railway

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 30#National railway

Harper Beckham

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Cruz Beckham

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

George Fitcher

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 30#George Fitcher

Solgier

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 1#Solgier

Nuke (comics)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget