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Dicklyon

Thanks for coming to the situation neutrally instead of having a preconceived opinion about it. Even the ANI filer Chicdat said they are sorry for not supplying any diffs but they will be better next time. It's a little late for "next" time, Dicklyon is all but certain to be topic-banned. The original report wasn't even specifically about Dicklyon (half of it was about Cinderella157). No one actually filed a formal proposal to ban Dicklyon, hey man im josh just left their personal opinion on Dicklyon and then Robert McClenon split it out into a ban proposal against Josh's wishes. Where is Cinderella157's ban proposal? However, people ended up opposing banning Dicklyon from the whole site so then the topic-ban proposal was started as a "compromise" to Josh's ban proposal, and people love compromises. Still no diffs have been supplied by anyone, just emotion. "Dicklyon again!? He must be up to no good!" And then when Dicklyon tries to defend himself from the mob of unsubstantiated support !votes and the walls of text, he gets people !voting to ban him for "bludgeoning". Then he's getting flak for adding comments to the end of one of Josh's replies, which is a common practice on Wikipedia. He wasn't trying to be deceptive. He even said he annotated it. Dicklyon has obviously upset too many people around here. People are looking for any way to get rid of him. The same thing happened at Koavf's ban proposal. People were just tired of him, even though there was like one diff there (it wasn't necessarily ban worthy though). I guess we're gearing up for an NFL Draft RM in a few months in addition to moving back everything else that Dick got decapped? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:26, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9: I'll be disappointed but not surprised if there no diffs and a pure vote count. —Bagumba (talk) 16:18, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If I was in Dicklyon's shoes (and I cared enough about caps to argue about it), I would just start an RM for everything, even if it was 100% obvious. The "line" moves are what seem to have started this ANI report, even though they appear to have been correct because no one has moved them back or disputed them. There's no requirement to start an RM for everything, I still don't see any recent disruption. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:25, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9: He's getting a raw deal, but sometimes makes it easier for them too. —Bagumba (talk) 16:38, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:45, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know that the Dicklyon discussion is now 75,203 words, which is about equal to a 300 page book? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:18, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9: Not vote. Right. What an all-around mess. —Bagumba (talk) 04:40, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure aslivering read all 300 pages, right? (just kidding) Just going by the numbers, if he wasn't topic banned there would have been an uproar. That would have been interesting to see lol... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 04:44, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9: So my analogy is to what happened at one baseball game I was at. One fan kept yelling "f*!$ the <opponent>" "f#$% <player>". Run-of-the mill stuff for pro sports. It was not a designated family section, but not upper-deck seats either. Enough people complained, and he was booted. The fan calmly argued, "everyone does it", "its a game", "freedom of speech", etc. The usher just said, "Sir, you're being disruptive", and he was led out. —Bagumba (talk) 04:53, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) Are you sure you weren't that fan? Sounds like something you'd do. ;-) Left guide (talk) 06:15, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The heckler or the narc LOL. —Bagumba (talk) 06:47, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Fouts question

So the beginning of the lead's fourth paragraph says:

Fouts led the Chargers to three consecutive AFC West division titles – 1979, 1980 and 1981 – and a playoff appearance in 1982.

It includes a vague link to NFL playoffs, but I'd like to improve it to the specific annual playoff tournament. My question is, does this refer to the 1981–82 NFL playoffs or the 1982–83 NFL playoffs? They both include the year 1982 in the title, and according to the respective articles they both involved the Chargers. Left guide (talk) 05:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide I think it's fine as is, introducing the subject at a high level (MOS:INTRO). More detailed links can be in the body. Getting to your question, I always thought WP's NFL playoff naming convention was weird, but never followed up by surveying actual sources. I think of the playoffs as relating to the regular season year, so I'd expect 1982 NFL playoffs. However, WP uses the time span of the actual games, so 1982–83 NFL playoffs. —Bagumba (talk) 06:17, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide More bizarreness: 1982 AFC championship game, played in Jan 1983, but redirects to 1982–83 NFL playoffs, because of course "1982" here refers to the regular season and not the calendar year. —Bagumba (talk) 08:27, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Durant EC protection?

All three of the accounts attempting to prematurely change his team have less than 500 edits, is EC protection warranted? Left guide (talk) 18:14, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And then a 4th. Done. —Bagumba (talk) 00:45, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, saw that too, thanks for helping. Left guide (talk) 01:06, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you semi 2025 NBA Finals for a short while too please? (maybe a few hours to start) I see almost nothing good coming from IPs there. Left guide (talk) 03:11, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And a new account causing similar disruption on its 2nd edit. Left guide (talk) 03:13, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide Generally best to leave those editors escalating warnings. —Bagumba (talk) 03:33, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not when there's five in a span of five minutes or whatever absurd rate it is LOL. Left guide (talk) 03:34, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide: Sorry, I meant independent of any page protection. —Bagumba (talk) 03:37, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done —Bagumba (talk) 03:15, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And what about EC protection for Jrue Holiday? Same thing going on. Left guide (talk) 21:01, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Semi for Kelly Olynyk too? Or take a look at the edits of this user who seems to be reverting IPs on many pertinent player articles, and semi all of those. Left guide (talk) 21:08, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Remaining unprotected ones may include Saddiq Bey and Jordan Poole. Left guide (talk) 22:03, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All look semi-ed now except Bey. Will wait and see on e.c. —Bagumba (talk) 00:43, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting situation at Kristaps Porziņģis since it's on PC protection; my initial view is that if the experienced page-watchers, PC patrollers, and NBA editors are doing a good job of holding the line on live changes (which seems to be the case), I'd say keep it and give the IPs (and brand new accounts) the satisfaction of thinking their changes actually matter, since it probably prevents the rants from piling up on the article talk page. Thoughts? Left guide (talk) 06:30, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Left guide: I semi-ed, which is more appropriate for higher edit rate. Thx. —Bagumba (talk) 06:42, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can understand that, thanks. Left guide (talk) 06:48, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can Jrue Holiday be re-assessed for possible EC protection please? See the recent set of edits. Left guide (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I missed this at the time. Borderline. It's now on another wk of semi. —Bagumba (talk) 00:52, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's all good, I've been throwing a flurry of these at you lately, and you seem to be doing your best to keep up, which I greatly appreciate. Left guide (talk) 00:57, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, you did "warn" me LOL. Left guide (talk) 01:00, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Does the recent editing history of Collin Sexton show a need for semi-protection? Left guide (talk) 22:56, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Jusuf Nurkić too. Left guide (talk) 23:41, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sexton and Nurkic done. —Bagumba (talk) 00:49, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit conflict

We edit conflicted attempting the same exact edit at the same time LOL, I guess you won this time. ;) Left guide (talk) 06:18, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTCONTEST haha. —Bagumba (talk) 06:22, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Legal threat

Do you mind assisting this? WP:LEGAL says "Legal threats should be reported to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents or elsewhere to an administrator." I don't feel like making an entire ANI just for this though. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:01, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9 Blocked for a week. It's an IP, so I didn't block longer; you can let me know if it recurs afterwards. Incidentally, the text on the 2015 and 2018 cases, if you choose to restore it, need better sourcing to meet WP:BLP. —Bagumba (talk) 16:25, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's pretty cool an AP All-Pro threatened to sue me (lol...). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:59, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9: Did they claim to be them? —Bagumba (talk) 01:42, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, but probably. Even if it was someone else, they would still be suing me on behalf of an AP All-Pro ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:51, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Kelpongames

He’s potentially going to be a problem. Ignored your message and I just left him a second one Rikster2 (talk) 19:57, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rikster2: Yeah, WP:CIVIL says editors should be responsive to good-faith questions. I asked them if they at least see our messages. If it continues, we can go to WP:ANI and at least get a block until they're aware of the talk page (AGF that they're new) and willing to discuss. —Bagumba (talk) 02:19, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) I assisted with some reverts on obviously contested changes. Bagumba, have you reverted or expressed an opinion on the content that makes you WP:INVOLVED? I'm pessimistic that the general-interest ANI crowd has the appetite to sanction someone over basketball style edits. Left guide (talk) 09:48, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You just need to show there's a dispute and they've continued with the edits anyways. Nobody needs to know basketball, per se. —Bagumba (talk) 13:08, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I beg to differ. Left guide (talk) 04:46, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Left guide: There's a lot of disparate IP ranges in that one. Not all admins know how to do range blocks also, plus they might worry about collateral damage and not know a good edit from a bad one. I just narrowed down this IP range for an NBA roster template vandal. Can't say I have the same sense for non-NBA rosters. Sometimes, it might just end up being Whac-a-Mole, with little else that can be done. —Bagumba (talk) 11:40, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rikster2: So much for going out of our way to avoid templates. I gave them one of those "u may be blocked ones". —Bagumba (talk) 09:21, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He is still at it. Rikster2 (talk) 17:09, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Surely a block now? Still at it [1]. DaHuzyBru (talk) 04:22, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And another one. They have not engaged in the WT:NBA project discussion even though they received a direct invitation on their talk page, and have instead continued pushing the same disputed style change. Left guide (talk) 07:41, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DaHuzyBru: I recuse myself from blocking per WP:INVOLVED. Thanks for starting the ANI. Some diffs of the contested edits and continued disruption may help uninvolved admins. I can't get to it myself right now. —Bagumba (talk) 02:23, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NBA player birthplace source question

Where can I find a source for an NBA player's birthplace? ReallyAmazingDude13 (talk) 04:49, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ReallyAmazingDude13: Usually it's at basketball-reference, otherwise try their college bio, but look for "born" explicitly and not just "hometown" or "native", which could just be where he grew up. Otherwise, Google for an article with "born". Some people just might not have, like Bob Myers (though he didn't play in NBA). —Bagumba (talk) 05:16, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Toumani Camara

How do you figure he is a mid-importance NBA article? Because he’s a one-time second team all-defense guy? If so that doesn’t compute to me. Is the pre somewhere these are documented at WP:NBA? Rikster2 (talk) 19:11, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rikster2 Pretty much. Wikipedia:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Assessment#Importance scale, it's also linked on those talk page banners at "project's importance scale". Honestly his name is not on my radar and I don't remember the edit, but then he's played on losing teams and doesnt have a snazzy nickname yet like Carushow. —Bagumba (talk) 19:28, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) @Rikster2: and Bagumba: Being named 2nd team All-Defense qualifies as mid-importance according to the current assessment scale, does this mean the criteria needs to be changed? Left guide (talk) 20:11, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have questions about if making second team All-Defense once is actually of mid importance for The 80 year history of the NBA (as well as just being draft pick 2-5), but that’s just my opinion. Rikster2 (talk) 20:14, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rikster2 @Left guide Basing it on pure raw numbers makes the system rough around the edges. But its also simplistic to implement and remember (otherwise 2x 2nd team All-Ds but 1x of everything else?) if we accept it for what it is. And this isn't something critical like notability; I don't even know how "importance" is constructively used anyways. Feel free to have add it. —Bagumba (talk) 00:41, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Hackett

Hi Bagumba, I was hoping you can help me out by deleting the article Andrew Hackett completely. I was creating an article for Andrew Tackett, but mistakenly wrote his name wrong (stupid me) when creating it. GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 01:01, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) @GOAT Bones231012: If Bagumba is offline, you could redirect the misspelled article to the correctly-spelled one, then tag the redirect as {{Db-g7}}, and another admin will delete it with no fuss. Left guide (talk) 01:11, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I’ve added the redirect, but adding Db-g7 was making me nervous that someone was going to delete the wrong article. GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 01:22, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GOAT Bones231012: I've tagged Hackett. The redirect part wasn't necessary and I was overthinking it, and realize it may have confused you. Left guide (talk) 01:25, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted Left guide (talk) 01:27, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GOAT Bones231012: Yeah, you could just move to the correct name yourself next time, and avoids cut and paste re-creation (a no-no if you weren't the only editor). Misspelling redirects aren't a bad thing, but I guess that was an unlikely one. For WP:G7, you could also just blank any page you want deleted in which you have been the only editor. —Bagumba (talk) 01:34, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Protect Bogoljub Marković?

Just drafted by the Bucks, but is not expected to join the NBA this coming season. People will be updating his current team erroneously. Rikster2 (talk) 01:46, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rikster2: That WP:NO-PREEMPT thing. Put a note on the talk page, then it makes it easier to protect to direct discussion once there's been a few reverts. The practice was fine before when it was all US college players who were at least going to training camp, but it's not so clear cut now when there are other viable pro options, or if they're still under contract. —Bagumba (talk) 01:53, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at WT:NBA § Player article style changes

You are invited to join the discussion at WT:NBA § Player article style changes. Left guide (talk) 21:41, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nico Harrison protection

Can you please put pending changes or semi due to the last vandalism incident? You previously did 3 mo. semi which was the third protection cycle since the Doncic trade. Left guide (talk) 12:32, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not enough activity at this point. —Bagumba (talk) 17:04, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Old logos

So if a team changes names (but still have the same Wikipedia article), then the old logo gets deleted? See New Orleans Pelicans, where there doesn't appear be a Hornets logo? There has to be commentary about the old logo specifically or it fails non-fair use? See Florida Bobcats, where the Miami Hooters logo was deleted but the Sacramento Attack logo is still there because it "does not meet the threshold of originality" apparently.

I've thought about this in the past, but I was wondering what your thoughts are? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:19, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9: Try this. —Bagumba (talk) 17:02, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that Bagumba. I guess we'll have to wait for our ancestors to upload the Hornets and Hooters logos someday when they become public domain. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:15, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think the Hornets logo would count, given that there is section on the team's logos (New_Orleans_Pelicans#Logos_and_uniforms) ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:16, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiOriginal-9 At least the current prose doesn't seem to meet ... the historical logo itself is described in the context of critical commentary about that historical logo. Admittedly, I don't have much experience in this area. —Bagumba (talk) 00:40, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NBA Finals mass move?

Hi again, so I'm wondering if the individual championship series articles for 1950–1985 should be moved from "Finals" to "World Championship Series". I checked a few random article talk pages that turned out empty, indicating no past history of RMs, and couldn't find anything in the WT:NBA archives. What is the sourcing from that era like regarding the names? And which policies and guidelines would be in play here? Also curious as to your general stance on the merits of such moves, if you're open to sharing. Left guide (talk) 06:37, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Newspapers.com hits.

1950: "NBA Finals" = 230, "NBA World Championship Series" = 0 hits
1965: "NBA Finals" = 1,035 "NBA World Championship Series" = 0 hits
1975: "NBA Finals" = 3,001 "NBA World Championship Series" = 0 hits
1985: "NBA Finals" = 6,845, "NBA World Championship Series" = 683

Here is an interesting article from 1985 about the naming issue. "The issue is the NBA championship series. The problem is monumental: It doesn't have a name." Also, the 1950 results above have some false positives. The results are showing some "NBA's final" and "NBA Final" ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 08:00, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, SB I isn't titled 1st AFL-NFL World Championship Game.—Bagumba (talk) 03:09, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]