User talk:asilvering

Thanks

I just wanted to thank you for all the help you've given me this month. Thanks to you, I was able to bring Elena Gorolová to GA status, being my first GA. I'm also now a regular GAN reviewer, since you gave me the confidence to continue. I am deeply appreciative of your work and hope to continue to see you around! Grumpylawnchair (talk) 23:43, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Congrats on your first GA! Hopefully the first of many. And I'm glad to see you've caught the reviewing bug. By the way, you may be interested in the Women in Green editathon that's happening in May - see the message directly above this thread. -- asilvering (talk) 04:49, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll keep tabs on that. I'm planning on trying to get as many of the 100 Women (BBC) to GA status as I can. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 15:45, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks

I would like to thank you for unblocking me. Another thing, there is the 'this user is a sockpuppet' template on my user page. Should I remove it or should I let an admin remove it? Also, if I may, can I ask what subject you teach? Rihaan M (talk) 06:31, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

I've removed the template for you - sorry about that, simply forgot to. I teach many things, all broadly in the humanities. -- asilvering (talk) 23:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Question from Rajatdixit12 (12:06, 7 April 2025)

Hello. How do i find a citation source? --Rajatdixit12 (talk) 12:06, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Rajatdixit12, I'm not sure what you're asking, since it looks like you've already successfully found and added sources to several articles. Can you be more specific? -- asilvering (talk) 21:35, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

There are some articles in here that needs citations to be added. For those articles, from where do I find out their sources of information so that i can add the citation? Rajatdixit12 (talk) 05:49, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

@Rajatdixit12, you just need to find a source for the information, not specifically the source that was originally used, so you find sources to fill in this kind of thing the same way you'd do your research to get that information in the first place. Which is to say, that depends on what you're trying to research, and where the information might be. Once your account is extended confirmed, you'll be able to use WP:LIBRARY, which is very useful for getting around paywalls. Google books and google scholar can be useful. Once you know what you're looking for, archive.org may have a copy. If there's something specific you're stuck on, I might be able to give more targeted suggestions. -- asilvering (talk) 23:55, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

This helps. Thank you. Rajatdixit12 (talk) 04:48, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Shadia Abu Ghazala School massacre

Hi @Asilvering, hope you're well. I just now saw that the deletion request (link) for Shadia Abu Ghazala School massacre was closed, but with my vote changed back to (my original position of) keep the vote stands at 8 for merge and 7 for keep, and the arguments for keep are, imo, as substantive as the arguments for merge with many merge arguments being simple !votes. This doesn't seem to me like a consensus for merge and it feels like we need to give it more time until either a consensus emerges, or we keep the article. Can you please reopen it? Thank you very much. Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

@Smallangryplanet, following the relist, 4/5 !votes were for a merge - I'm afraid the consensus did arise, and you simply disagree with it. Your own statement, all the pages we have of attacks on Israelis or in literally any other context that received coverage close to when they happened, much less so than in this case, and then never again (such as all of these ones) would also have to be deleted is, I regret to inform you, an accurate reading of notability guidelines. -- asilvering (talk) 01:47, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Opinion on edit dispute

Hi asilvering,

I and another editor have gotten into a dispute on the page Mami Wata; I’m unsure if an edit war has occurred or if there’s just a lot of miscommunication happening. I don’t want to accidentally make a false edit war report or escalate things unnecessarily if collaboration is possible. It would be nice to have a third party opinion on the whole situation. Thank you in advance if you’re willing to check it out! ForsythiaJo (talk) 05:13, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Yikes. You're doing fine. That editor is being needlessly aggressive and reverting content completely unrelated to the content they disagree with, including a further reading section that, as far as I can tell, is completely unobjectionable. They have not engaged with you in a civil manner, and I'd say that accusing someone of censorship for removing material they believe - rightly or wrongly - to be unsourced is pretty close to "aspersions" territory. You may end up needing to take this to ANI, but first, do your absolute best to work with them. Don't revert them, and don't reinstate any changes they've specifically objected to. Take all of their complaints seriously (so, make sure all your citations from now on have page numbers, and that any changes you make to the lead fulfil WP:LEAD as best you can). Engage with them as though they are a valued collaborator offering helpful suggestions, whether you feel that way about them or not. If they tell you you're wrong, start from the assumption that they're correct. Basically, scrupulously maintain the moral high ground, and don't ever make the same editing mistake twice. You will either eventually win them over by convincing them you're there in good faith and competence, or they will flame out spectacularly (in which case you can take them to ANI and it will be clear to everyone what needs to be done). -- asilvering (talk) 20:13, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for checking this out, and for the feedback/suggestions. It was disheartening to try and add content and then have it removed for basically no reason, but with your comments I may try to keep on keeping on. If I have further questions, would it be okay to bring them to you? Or is there someone else you would suggest reaching out to with this sort of thing? Just want to be respectful of your time/energy. :) ForsythiaJo (talk) 22:17, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

By all means, you're welcome to bring questions here, I'm happy to be a sanity check. I hope you can get this headed somewhere collaborative sooner rather than later. Always a shame when longtime contributors forget that we're here to build an encyclopedia, not to sit on a thesaurus. -- asilvering (talk) 23:48, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Deletion review

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#8_April_2025, cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:47, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from ExtremeGangster57 (02:30, 10 April 2025)

Hi! I was wondering how to make an article/page? --ExtremeGangster57 (talk) 02:30, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @ExtremeGangster57, welcome to wikipedia! WP:FIRST explains the process, but I recommend reading WP:BACKWARDS as well. -- asilvering (talk) 05:06, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Tahar Farah (21:11, 11 April 2025)

Warning: You are not logged in. Your IP address will be publicly visible if you make any edits. If you log in or create an account, your edits will be attributed to your username, along with other benefits. --Tahar Farah (talk) 21:11, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Jerich kay Nc (22:43, 11 April 2025)

Hello, --Jerich kay Nc (talk) 22:43, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Jerich kay Nc, welcome to wikipedia! -- asilvering (talk) 17:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Guccifer720 (00:48, 12 April 2025)

How do I create a new Wikipedia page --Guccifer720 (talk) 00:48, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Guccifer720, welcome to wikipedia! WP:FIRST explains the process, but I recommend reading WP:BACKWARDS as well. -- asilvering (talk) 17:09, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from TrophyBot999 on Indians in Bangladesh (07:03, 12 April 2025)

Hello --TrophyBot999 (talk) 07:03, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @TrophyBot999, welcome to wikipedia! -- asilvering (talk) 17:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Canvassing much

@Asilvering, this is what I mean by canvassing [1][2] -- these users do not edit regularly but weekly and jump into discussions which they were never invited to. AlvaKedak (talk) 15:01, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

If they were invited to the discussions, that would be canvassing. -- asilvering (talk) 17:07, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Wilbers (10:26, 13 April 2025)

Hello, please can you have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinball_FX_(2023_video_game) and the 3 tags it has at the top. It has progressed and expanded quite a bit in the last 3 months since it became an article. Do you know which bits might need further editing to be able to remove some/all of those tags? --Wilbers (talk) 10:26, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Wilbers, I've removed a few things and one of the tags, but as far as the other two go, I think the problem has gotten worse, not better. I don't see any reason to retain these giant tables, for example. -- asilvering (talk) 10:59, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for that. With the tables, its one way to include links to the other wikipedia pages of the licensed tables as well as release dates. The Pinball FX2 and Pinball FX3 pages also use a table for that. Just that there are more pinball tables in Pinball FX so it makes a longer table. I was trying to think of another game that uses so much licensed IP so I could see what was done on its wikipage, but I can't think of one.

I know it doesn't help the readability of the page. Suppose there are 3 other options

1. make all the tables collapsible

2. make all the tables collapsed by default

3. have a separate page with them all on and link to that

Would one of those work to address that issue? Wilbers (talk) 13:49, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

It's common to split long lists like that out into separate articles. But I don't really see any reason to do that, either. That kind of exhaustive detail isn't terribly encyclopedic. It's the sort of thing I'd expect to see on the Pinball FX Wiki. -- asilvering (talk) 18:28, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

I've just been having a look at some of the pages for Rock Band games as that is probably the most extreme example of all for a game with DLC and how it deals with it - there are several list pages (such as 2022 in downloadable songs for the Rock Band series), and on there they wikilink to the relevant pages about bands/songs which other than being much more complex isn't entirely dissimilar to the list of Pinball FX tables - almost all of the Williams tables have a Wikipedia page, and most of the licensed tables have a suitable page to link to as well. Wilbers (talk) 22:06, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

AnonymousScholar49

You never asked me whether I objected to you unblocking this user. I don't appreciate that.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:34, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Eh? I pinged you to the discussion and asked you to let me know if there was anything I'd missed. In a post after that one, I'd said there didn't seem to be any reason not to unblock. You had plenty of time and space to object, or to add other comments to the discussion. -- asilvering (talk) 17:40, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

You asked me to explain my block, which I did. I don't have to object. The burden is on you to ask me directly, not implicitly. A lot of admins discuss blocks with the blocked user, do they understand what they did wrong, do they understand what would be inappropriate in the future, etc., as a set-up to unblocking but still at the end of that process ask the blocking admin whether they object given that discussion.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:43, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Bbb23: As the blocking admin cannot veto an unblock, and as you have repeatedly told me that you feel I'll to as I please regardless of your wishes, I fail to see the issue. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:03, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Gora Gosj on User:Gora Gosj (06:55, 15 April 2025)

hello --Gora Gosj (talk) 06:55, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Gora Gosj, welcome to wikipedia! -- asilvering (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Request for XC

Hello! I'm @Senapatiji, I am here to request you to grant my account an extended confirmed user status. The automatic update to this was put on hold by an Admin who considered my contributions using newcomers tasks as gaming. I reassure you that my edits were in good faith [3] and meant to contribute positively on Wikipedia. I was told to request for the same once my account is 30 days old. It is now eligible for XC. I request you to update my user access to extended confirmed user and allow me to contribute further on this platform. I will be more careful while editing and make sure these kind of situations do not arise. Please refer this ANI discussion for details. Senapatiji (talk) 🏴‍☠️ 14:17, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Admin talk page stalkers, any chance one of you would be able to comment here? I think it was inappropriate to revoke XC in the first place, but as I said so in the original ANI thread that Senapatiji linked, I'd prefer if a third admin could do it, or offer an opinion. -- asilvering (talk) 17:45, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi, any way forward to this? Senapatiji (talk) 02:46, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about that @Senapatiji. Okay, I've (privately) asked another admin for their opinion and they were ambivalent about it, so I'm not going to grant XC back to you unilaterally. My suggestion is that you wait until at least May 11 (one month after the initial revoke) and roughly 1000 edits, making sure that most of your edits are pretty substantial ones, and that you then request it back at WP:PERM. -- asilvering (talk) 15:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Okay, Thank you. Senapatiji (talk) 17:19, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Tenant harassment lawsuits and cases in Santa Monica

I added citations with WP:SIGCOV that were syndicated nationally (see comment on deletion discussion), and yet no one responded to my comment stating this. I gave ample time to continue the discussion, having posted my response on 10 Apr 2025, and as such I believe the discussion should have been relisted instead of outright deleted then. AwkoTaco19 (talk) 19:36, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

@AwkoTaco19, yes, there was ample time to continue the discussion - and no one did. There was no need to relist it for another seven days of comments. You may be interested in WP:HOUSING, by the way, and they may have other suggestions for you. If you come up with a related topic that is likely to survive an AfD and you'd like to recover some of your work from this deleted one, just let me know and I can restore it to userspace for you. -- asilvering (talk) 02:47, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Solanai on Mandera North Constituency (05:57, 16 April 2025)

Hello how do I protect this page --Solanai (talk) 05:57, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Solanai, welcome to wikipedia! You can request page protection at WP:RFPP. But there's no need to do that for this article. We only protect pages that have been experiencing quite a lot of recent vandalism. -- asilvering (talk) 22:12, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Kivercik

Can you please take a look at this editor after their return post-block. Its two edits that have now been reverted by different editors. Semsûrî (talk) 17:20, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

@Semsûrî, I'd rather not, unless they're crossing a really bright-line rule like 3RR - I rescinded my original warning in that ANI thread, since it looked like things had calmed down and could be moved back to dispute resolution. My advice would be to do your level best to de-escalate, and head back to ANI if things get truly impossible. -- asilvering (talk) 04:18, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 April 4#Unimon

Hello, I do not think this was clearly the single correct outcome; I was wondering whether it should be retargeted or potentially disambiguated instead. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:05, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

I went with the no-quorum default of "delete" since it didn't seem like there was any strong reason not to do so (a regular search will get readers to the various "unimon" mentions without trouble), but I can restore it if you like? I don't think it's really worth the bother, but happy to do so if you disagree. -- asilvering (talk) 04:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

I would appreciate if you did; maybe some other editor could voice another opinion on the redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:45, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Done. -- asilvering (talk) 16:53, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from RobLawrencium (15:20, 17 April 2025)

I finished creating my first wikipedia article ("Paligenosis"), which I have moved from my sandbox to the main page. It now appears there, but it has this message at the bottom: "This sandbox is in the article namespace. Either move this page into your userspace, or remove the {{User sandbox}} template." I've removed the redirect message from my user page, and this message still appears at the bottom of the wikipedia article in public view. It seems I wouldn't want to move the page from the main page to my userspace though, right? What else should I do here to complete this page and get rid of that message? Thanks for any input! --RobLawrencium (talk) 15:20, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @RobLawrencium, welcome to wikipedia! Looks like you've already sorted this one out. By the way, you might be interested in WP:MEDICINE. -- asilvering (talk) 19:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I think I'm good now. That's a great suggestion, I'll look into it, thanks! RobLawrencium (talk) 13:11, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Paul Petrecz Jr (09:57, 19 April 2025)

Hello --Paul Petrecz Jr (talk) 09:57, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Paul Petrecz Jr, welcome to wikipedia! I've left you some helpful links on your talk page. -- asilvering (talk) 19:09, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Joy Laking

Hello again, asilvering. I've been working on this article about a Nova Scotian artist. So far it's the longest article I've written, and the first BLP I've created. That being said, the article ended up delving into some pretty heavy stuff, and I really wanted to get another opinion about how I approached the death of her mother and the impact of the 2020 Nova Scotia attacks on her career, before I send the article to the mainspace at some point soon. If you might have the time to take a quick look and let me know what you think I'd appreciate it. Thanks, MediaKyle (talk) 14:35, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

@MediaKyle, looks great to me! The only thing I'd change regarding the attacks - I'd take out the heading, so that it's just part of the career section. When it's the only subheading under "Career", I think it attributes a really outsized importance to them. I think that change might mean you want to redo the first sentence of that paragraph so it's not such a sudden shift in topic. -- asilvering (talk) 21:27, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Though, come to think about it, you may want to mention http://www.invisibleprisons.com/ somewhere in that article. -- asilvering (talk) 21:30, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your input, and the link. I had seen mentions of her writing plays, but I hadn't found that website. Looking into it further led me to this news article amongst some other coverage about the play that I hadn't seen before. Much appreciated! Cheers, MediaKyle (talk) 21:47, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

I had my guesses there might be something unmentioned when I read what she said in the Global article about the attacks. Surprised to immediately turn up some evidence. Historian spidey senses don't normally resolve that easily. -- asilvering (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Good afternoon, @Asilvering! I think I'm just about satisfied enough with the article to publish it now, but I've ran into one other complication. I'm not sure if my sourcing for such details as her date of birth and spouse comply with WP:BLPSOURCES, in particular WP:BLPPRIMARY. I only managed to find a specific year of birth from The National Gallery of Canada, and her own CV which is linked on her official website. She mentions her husband by name in her book The Painted Province in the introduction, however, including this information may contravene section 2 of WP:BLPSELFPUB. What is your interpretation of the policy in this instance? Thanks a lot for your help, MediaKyle (talk) 15:43, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

@MediaKyle, for her DOB, you're in the clear - the National Gallery is presumably reliable on this, and if she's linking her CV with birthdate on her webpage, it's clear enough to me that she's not trying to hide it. If you had similar sources for her exact date of birth, I might hesitate a bit, but just for the year, nbd. The year will also probably be on page ii of every book she's ever published. If her husband is alive, I'd leave his name out if it isn't mentioned in something obviously very accessible and public, like a national news article or something. He's not himself notable, right? -- asilvering (talk) 16:38, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Much appreciated. The only time I've seen her husband's name published is in the introduction of the book, so I reckon it would be best to omit it then. He's not notable as far as I'm aware, so in that sense I guess there's really no encyclopedic value to naming him anyways. Thanks again! MediaKyle (talk) 16:43, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Chezetat (16:13, 19 April 2025)

I see it now thank you! Also I wanted to make a article on a game I like but I don't know where to start, it doesn't have a page on here. --Chezetat (talk) 16:13, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Glad it's working, @Chezetat! Before you start writing any new article, you should have a look at WP:FIRST and WP:BACKWARDS. In order for the game to qualify for its own standalone article, you'll need to find some good sources about the game (see WP:42). So before you start writing anything, you'll need to find some good sources. What's the game? -- asilvering (talk) 19:05, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

The game is theinnerworld and it's sequel theinnerworld the last wind monk. Chezetat (talk) 22:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Hm, I'm not sure you're going to be able to find enough sources for that. I didn't find anything good on a quick look. You might want to ask at WP:VIDEOGAMES for help. The publisher, Headup Games, has an article, and you could write a sentence or two about the game in there maybe, but it looks like we don't have an article on Studio Fizbin, the developer, either. It looks like there might be sources for this in German? -- asilvering (talk) 22:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Maybe I should do an article on Studio Fizbin then? Would that work better? Chezetat (talk) 22:16, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Probably not - at least not now, when you're new to Wikipedia. Articles on companies are really difficult to write, and we have particularly strict rules about the kinds of sources you can use to write them (see WP:NCORP), because we have so many companies that try to promote themselves on here. You will probably have a better time if you start out by working on improving articles that already exist. Then, once you've learned the ropes, it'll be easier for you to start writing articles from scratch. If you look at this list, you can find a huge amount of video game related stuff to do. If you want to start with writing, this category is a good one. Anything in there has a maintenance tag asking an editor to expand part of the article somehow. There are over 2000 entries! You won't run out of things to do any time soon. -- asilvering (talk) 22:28, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

The thing holding me back is doing something wrong, I just don't want to mess up you know? Chezetat (talk) 22:31, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Yep! That's why it's better to start small, doing this kind of thing, rather than starting with a brand new article. Don't worry too much about screwing up - there's nothing you can possibly do that can't be easily undone. -- asilvering (talk) 04:16, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Frontier Justice Article

Hi, I saw that you deleted the article I had created on Frontier Justice. Can you please help me find the article so that I can edit it and can you help me publish it to the main space? Thank! Mike & Bren Brown (talk) 21:00, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

No, @Mike & Bren Brown, you can't publish that article to mainspace. It is unambiguously promotional, and was deleted via WP:G11. It's an oversight that I didn't block you from editing when I did that. Please read the messages on your talk page very carefully before trying again. -- asilvering (talk) 21:03, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

As you were leaving a message on their talk page I was also leaving a different one, which you may like to take note of. At this stage it is a simple request. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 21:08, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Seanking1 on Draft:London Conference on Sudan (April2025) (03:33, 20 April 2025)

I just wanted to edit something. How would I do it? --Seanking1 (talk) 03:33, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

HI @Seanking1, welcome to wikipedia! All you have to do is press the "edit" button. It's not any more complicated than that. -- asilvering (talk) 04:10, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Okay so

i found out the game I wanted to make an article on has one on the German Wikipedia does translating it here help or something or would that be stealing, I mean how do you translate it? Chezetat (talk) 03:42, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

There's a translation tool at Special:ContentTranslation that makes the translation process easier, and some instructions at WP:HOWTRANS. I'm not sure that's a great candidate for translation, though, since it's almost entirely plot summary. The sources in the footnotes are useful, though. -- asilvering (talk) 04:15, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Sorry I meant translating the article in English to help, can you do that? Chezetat (talk) 20:42, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

@Chezetat, can you rephrase your question? I'm not sure what you're asking. -- asilvering (talk) 22:08, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response, but what i meant is translating it to English, we have a language thing and how many languages it's in and I'm wondering if I can translate it to English? Chezetat (talk) 18:40, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, you can translate it to English. But I don't think it would be a good idea, for the reason I already described. -- asilvering (talk) 21:43, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm sorry I'm not the brightest sometimes but what were they reasons I shouldn't? Chezetat (talk) 21:58, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

The article on de-wiki is almost entirely plot summary, so there isn't really much worth translating from there. If you wrote an article on the game that was almost entirely plot summary (translated or from your own head, doesn't matter), it would be tagged for having an overlong summary and you'd be encouraged to condense it. -- asilvering (talk) 22:09, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Deletion reason for Quintessential (company)

Regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quintessential (company) that you closed, the article was changed substantially throughout the discussion. The nominated version that I worked on was COI-bombed. I was looking to see if it met significant coverage in reliable secondary sources but never got an answer. Commander Keane (talk) 00:12, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not sure what you're asking? -- asilvering (talk) 00:42, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Ahh ok, I should have provided diffs. I was asking for your deletion reason, to see how you evaluated consensus. Instead of doing that here, I just posted a deletion review. Commander Keane (talk) 05:14, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

@Commander Keane, I don't think you opened the DRV correctly - shouldn't there be a link to it at the top of the AfD page as well? -- asilvering (talk) 17:31, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks. Commander Keane (talk) 23:13, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Idris7006 on User talk:Idris7006 (08:19, 21 April 2025)

A project proposal to investigate the effect of Papain and cholecalciferol on the cerebellum of wistar rats following ischemic stroke (bilateral common carotid artery ) --Idris7006 (talk) 08:19, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

AfC Reviewing

Hello, asilvering. Thank you for accepting my request for AfC reviewer permissions. I believe I may have already made a small mistake in my reviewing with Draft:List of private vocational institutions in Manitoba, Canada. I included "not" as a decline rationale along with verifiability, because I felt that it was kind of a fringe case for WP:NOTDIRECTORY, but the way the tags are worded makes the two rationales contradict each other. Upon further review, though, I'm not seeing any other list like this, and it probably does unequivocally fail WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Should I adjust the rationale so it only refers to "not", or is it too late now? Thanks, MediaKyle (talk) 18:17, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

I'd just leave it, but you can add an additional comment if you think that would be helpful. The script lets you add comments at any time. You can also use it to resubmit the draft (in the name of the original submitter), if you think you've messed up - that's probably better most of the time than editing what you already wrote. Most people going through AfC are newbies who will be easily confused by reversions.

Regarding WP:NOTDIRECTORY, I think this would be a valid navigational list, if all or most of the entries were notable. That's not the case here, and we don't have any sourcing evidence for notability either. So I think you're fine to use both declines, since you left a comment. They can ask you or the help desk if they don't understand it. -- asilvering (talk) 21:50, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Understood, thank you for clarifying. MediaKyle (talk) 22:10, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Education411 (22:53, 22 April 2025)

Mr. Graystorm,

I am wanting to learn Wikipedia and how to write articles. I already have an article prepared. I want to know if it is possible I can share with you and you can mentor me regarding that. Please kindly advise. Thank you. --Education411 (talk) 22:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Education411, welcome to wikipedia! Happy to answer any questions you may have. You can start your article at WP:WIZARD. Normally I recommend reading WP:FIRST and WP:BACKWARDS before starting, but if you already have an article written, well, may as well turn what you've got into a draft and work from there. -- asilvering (talk) 02:15, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Lisa19882 (02:59, 23 April 2025)

Hello, i would like to add a new article,directly to my homepage. how can it be done? --Lisa19882 (talk) 02:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Lisa19882, I see you have already put the draft on your userpage. But it exists at Draft:Mitsogo, so I'm going to delete the userpage one. That page is supposed to be for a little bit of information about yourself and your editing. See WP:USERPAGE for more info. -- asilvering (talk) 15:45, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

RE: Margriet Nienke de Schutter

Hello - a close friend of mine has been trying to get her page published for quite sometime. I've participated on Wikipedia sporadically years ago so I told her I would look at it. After she made the requested edits, she resubmitted the page and it was rejected again!

I've looked multiple times and can not see what you are saying she is doing wrong. So I looked at the samples you provided to better understand how 'you' view things which really confused me as her style/ format appears to be in order. I realize this has subjectivity, so if you do not mind, please revisit the page that is waiting to be re-reviewed for publishing located under the title: Margriet Nienke de Schutter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:YellowGreen17/sandbox) and provide additional guidance so I can assist her in completing this task. As you can see, she is an international athlete that has gone into journalism and hosting events, so this page is critical to her carrer internationally. Thank you so much! Guaynabo1969 (talk) 12:32, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

@Guaynabo1969, I'm truly not sure what you're talking about. After she made the requested edits, she resubmitted the page and it was rejected again! is not the case. She's made the requested edits - very significant ones, it looks like, which is good - and resubmitted the draft. But no one has declined it since. It's still in the queue. We're pretty backlogged right now (sorry about that) but it's one of our oldest drafts at the moment, so it should be reviewed (relatively) soon. -- asilvering (talk) 14:04, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

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April 2025:NikeCage68

Hi asilvering, prior to my last message a couple of days ago. If you can set up a bot application to archive old messages, I would appreciate that a lot. If I follow the recommendations you are saying about editing such as Draftspace, Userspace and edit requests for least a week, will my next unblock request be accepted after making changes and new approaches? Thank you. NikeCage68 (talk) 10:07, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Replied on your talk. -- asilvering (talk) 21:12, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

File:Logo Aerosucre Cargo (Colombia).png

@Asilvering:Hi,why you added the tag {{Maybe free media}} to this image (File:Logo Aerosucre Cargo (Colombia).png) this logo is non-free ,is the same logo deleted in Commons due to above TOO (File:Logo Aerosucre has deleted (screenshot).jpg) is a copyright violation. (Google translator) AbchyZa22 (talk) 16:16, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @AbchyZa22, I tagged that with "maybe free media" because it is a simple, mostly text logo, that I thought might be below "threshold of originality". I was clearing our revision deletion backlog and don't have the standards for Columbia memorized, so I left it for someone else. Which, apparently, is you, so thank you! If you don't mind, next time you can resolve this yourself like I did in Special:Diff/1287380461. -- asilvering (talk) 21:20, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Could I have some advice please?

This edit [4] is adding a painting by the artist themselves, or a relative looking at the editors name, GalleriadelleFerreira-Corsi.

The reason I am questioning its addition is, it is a surrealist represention (per photo summary). I also think it smacks of POV with that photo summary.

Piripkura was the sixth official work signed by Marcos Vinicius Ferreira-Corsi, an Italian-Brazilian surrealist artist, presented at the Galleria delle Ferreira-Corsi on April 23, 2025. With striking features of indigenous surrealism, the painting pays homage to the Brazilian Piripkura ethnic group, which in the early 2020s was on the brink of extinction, reduced to just three individuals — victims of illegal cattle ranching and deforestation on their ancestral land. Touching on this open wound, Ferreira-Corsi transforms the work into a visual cry of protest and denunciation, seeking to awaken public commotion and awareness in the face of the urgency of the indigenous cause in Brazil.

I'm not sure what to do with it? Knitsey (talk) 16:25, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

The dog is pestering for a walk but I will be back. (Best terminator voice). Knitsey (talk) 16:28, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

I... wow. I've reverted. I'll swing by their talk page. -- asilvering (talk) 21:25, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for taking a look. I really didn't think it was suitable for the article but I'm not a great judge on that type of thing. Knitsey (talk) 22:11, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Immediate TBAN breach by Diademchild

Hi, Can I politely draw your attention to the following edits by User:Diademchild: [5], [6], [7] and [8], [9] and [10], all of which clearly breach the WP:BLP topic ban? These edits [11], [12] and [13] also appears to be to WP:BLP articles. I noted this on their talk page, but they deleted it. Thank you, Opolito (talk) 23:16, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Hiya @asilvering, sorry to have @Opolito alert you, but I believe s/he is deliberately trying to stir up things here. My edits in each of the links s/he provided were unmalicious and in good faith, and I actually followed through with your advice in the first link s/he gave. In the other citations s/he provided, I have not added any new or uncontroversial birthdates to any articles, I have simply tidied or updated the relevant information already given as a WikiGnome. Since the topic ban I have also made edits on my user page and on other non-WP:BLP articles more so. I remain committed in/to not substantially breaching any WP:BLP topic ban, and more so in cultivating a good reputation as an editor on this platform. Regards. -- Diademchild (talk) 23:48, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

@Diademchild, no one is questioning your good faith about your BLP edits. It is clear that you want to improve the encyclopedia. However, edits can be disruptive even when done in good faith, and this is very obviously a tban violation. There is no "WikiGnome exception" to tbans. Ordinarily I'd say you should take this as your first and warning and be more careful henceforth. But edit warring to keep this off my talk page is... well, I'm not sure what to say. You know I get a notification for every edit on this page, right? Do you think I'm going to get nine notifications, look at these two comments, and think "yes, everything is fine, no funny business going on here"?

I'm so flabbergasted by this I don't think I have the compos mentis to block you. Please know that you are on the thinnest possible ice. Do not breach your BLP topic ban. Do not accuse Opolito of deliberately trying to stir up things for observing your breach of said topic ban. And, for the love of all that is right and good in this world, do not edit war on my talk page. -- asilvering (talk) 01:48, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)You have the patience of a saint. The edit warring to avoid consequences would have pushed me right over. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:58, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

@Asilvering my sincerest apologies. An instance of edit warring by me, won't ever happen again on any editor's/user's talk page, for that matter. Indeed, I agree with @Deepfriedokra, so thanks for your mature patience and understanding. Regards -- Diademchild (talk) 02:11, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Also, I marble at your eloquence. 😜 -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 07:41, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Poop emoji

Hello again, asilvering. Sorry to bother you again so soon, but I've been working on a particularly challenging good article review over at Talk:Poop emoji/GA2 and I was hoping you might be able to take a quick look at the article and let me know if you see anything that would preclude it from passing GA. The article has come a long way and I think it's pretty well good, but seeing as no other emoji has GA, I feel like it's particularly important to get this one right so it can be used as a "template" for the others. I wouldn't ask you to get too deep into it, mostly just want to know if you would oppose promotion in the article's current state. Best regards, MediaKyle (talk) 12:04, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

@MediaKyle, I gave it a read and checked the images, and I would say there's nothing outright preventing it from being promoted right now, since your source check came out okay. But I have some reservations about it and wouldn't pass it yet if I were reviewing it. I'll come by the review and drop some comments. -- asilvering (talk) 18:21, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (21:19, 28 April 2025)

hi --I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (talk) 21:19, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hello @I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON, and welcome to Wikipedia! I'll stop by your talk page shortly with some helpful links to help you get started. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 21:22, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

ok ty I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (talk) 22:10, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (21:24, 28 April 2025)

im happy --I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (talk) 21:24, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. -- asilvering (talk) 22:06, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

same! I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (talk) 22:11, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

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Nomination of SuperTuxKart for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article SuperTuxKart is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SuperTuxKart (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

TzarN64 (talk) 17:11, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

@TzarN64, I'm not sure why you've sent me this message? I don't have any involvement with this article. -- asilvering (talk) 23:54, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (20:37, 29 April 2025)

im kinda bored. what should i do????? --I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (talk) 20:37, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

i dont know what to do!!!!!!!!!!!

ROAR! im a tiger

just kidding but im really bored I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (talk) 20:44, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

This is not a playground. Please go find another website, and stop pestering Asilvering. Protip: I am not volunteering to be pestered instead. Floquenbeam (talk) 20:47, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

but they are my mentor I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (talk) 20:49, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

also your profile is really cool I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (talk) 20:50, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Doesn't mean they have to put up with you acting like an idiot. Floquenbeam (talk) 20:50, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

thats really mean I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (talk) 20:52, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

why do you have to be like that? are you the wikipedia police or somthing????? I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (talk) 20:52, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Asilvering, I won't engage further in case I'm stepping on your toes. Floquenbeam (talk) 20:54, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

sorry for annoying you i didn't mean it that way

i am really sorry I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (talk) 20:55, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

just because i was been annoying doesn't mean you can call me an idiot though I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (talk) 21:00, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Well, @I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON, I suppose Floq kind of is the wikipedia police. (Though, judging by his userboxes, he probably won't appreciate me saying so.) He's an administrator, which means he can do things like delete pages and block people from editing. We block people from editing when they're damaging the encyclopedia, but also sometimes when it's obvious that they aren't here to build it, either. So far, you've been spending more time chatting on talk pages than editing, so I'm worried that someone will decide that you aren't here to build the encyclopedia and block you. Let's find you something to do instead. Do you see an "Add a link" task at Special:Homepage? That one's a good task to start out with, but it's new and might not be on your homepage yet. -- asilvering (talk) 00:25, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (21:24, 29 April 2025)

hi asilvering thank you for being very nice to me. i really appreciate it. please tell me if there is anything i can do to help/support you! --I AM A VERY PERSONY PERSON (talk) 21:24, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Don't worry about me. :) -- asilvering (talk) 00:26, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Sorry

On reflection, I do regret posting on your talk page, not because I was too mean, but because you are more than capable of handling this yourself, and it wasn't my place to insert my judgment for yours on your own talk page. Kind of a dick move on my part. (To be clear, you are the only person I'm apologizing to.)

I have no idea how one becomes a "mentor", nor what that actually entails, but I guarantee it is not in my skill set. Perhaps I need an edit notice on my own talk page, warning that if anyone posts "ROAR! im a tiger" there, they'll be insta-blocked? Or at least "warning; this user is most definitely not a mentor". Floquenbeam (talk) 22:21, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

I'll have you know that I wear extremely clonky boots and you can do no damage to my toes by stepping on them, so no worries there. As for mentorship, if you desire to learn more about it so you can more effectively avoid it, details are at WP:GTF. A man's got to know his limitations, after all. -- asilvering (talk) 00:35, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Cesar Restrepo 11 (19:00, 30 April 2025)

Hi! How do you decide which page to optimize and build backlinks for? I love this process — it makes me feel like a real researcher. --Cesar Restrepo 11 (talk) 19:00, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Cesar Restrepo 11, welcome to Wikipedia! I admit you had me worried for a moment, since "optimize and build backlinks" sounds like you're here to spam the place. But I see from your edits so far that you've been adding new information to articles from a variety of sources, so I think you're probably interested in the kinds of problems that end up in Category:All articles lacking sources. We have a wikiproject that deals with those that you might want to join: WP:URA. If you go there, you'll find some detailed guides on how to do this, too. Good luck! -- asilvering (talk) 23:42, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the warm welcome! I appreciate your feedback. I'll check out WP:URA and the guides to improve my contributions. Thanks again! Cesar Restrepo 11 (talk) 19:55, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

Question from Aregademassiet2014 (19:35, 1 May 2025)

Hello, Now do I Create a citation ? --Aregademassiet2014 (talk) 19:35, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hello @Aregademassiet2014, and welcome to Wikipedia! See here for a short-tutorial on how to create citations. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 19:37, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

Change of plans

I have decided to write about some of the asteroids in space but I don't know where to start any suggestions? Chezetat (talk) 02:36, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Absolutely no clue, I'm afraid. The folks to ask would be at WP:SPACE. -- asilvering (talk) 04:05, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Ah okay, any formating ideas?" Chezetat (talk) 04:20, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

You mean how to format an article on an asteroid? What I'd do is go find some extant articles on asteroids and see how they tend to be done. You'll want to read at least a handful of different ones, just in case you happened to pick up something really useless on your first look. WP:SPACE might have some helpful guides, as well. You'd also want to read WP:NASTRO before you start, to make sure the asteroid you want to write about is likely to be notable. Again, though, I strongly suggest working on articles that already exist rather than starting new ones. -- asilvering (talk) 04:29, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Your right I'm getting ahead of myself, any articles you recommend me editing? Chezetat (talk) 04:32, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Earlier ([14]) I suggested going through maintenance tags for WP:VIDEOGAMES, and I still think that's a pretty good way in. If you want something that's more like writing new articles, head to WP:SST, scroll down to the bottom, and click your way through the category tree until you find a category of articles you're interested in. You can also go to WP:WSS to learn about stub sorting and help out that way, if you're nervous about directly editing any articles. I did something kind of similar to that when I started out. -- asilvering (talk) 16:14, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

		The Helping Hand Barnstar
		helping me with getting started on Wikipedia thank you :)Chezetat (talk) 04:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

an extra thank you note Chezetat (talk) 04:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. :) -- asilvering (talk) 04:30, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello Asilvering

@Asilvering I wanted to ask you about something. Does English Wikipedia accept Turkish history books and TDV Islamic Encyclopedia as references? Kartal1071 (talk) 07:15, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Yep! -- asilvering (talk) 09:19, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @Asilvering. If I send you the articles I will write for you to review, can you review them? Kartal1071 (talk) 10:10, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

I won't pre-review anything, but if you've submitted a draft to AfC and no one gets to it in the first week, I can have a look, sure. I can't promise I'll be quick about it, especially for long drafts with lots of sources, but I can have a look. -- asilvering (talk) 16:08, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @Asilvering Kartal1071 (talk) 04:30, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Question from Nexergy on User:Nexergy/sandbox (08:51, 2 May 2025)

Hello,

We are working on a project to write a Wikipedia page for our company Nexergy. I have never written a Wikipedia page before.

Do you have any tips? Would we do it in the Sandbox? Would we upload a photo? Is their review process long? We would like to do something a little longer, but we want to be complaint, and have it uploaded correctly.

How do the sources work? Is it bad if the Wikipedia page is shorter with a few sources? Something basic with a good start, that we can maybe edit and update later? Just if you can give some feedback it would be good. Thank you, - David =) --Nexergy (talk) 08:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi David, the first thing you'll want to do is abandon the @Nexergy account and start a new one. "David at Nexergy" is fine, but you can't have a username that is just the name of your company. Once you've done that, you'll need to create a userpage that explains your connection to the company. If you don't do both of these things, it is highly likely that you will be blocked from editing. The next thing you'll need to do is read WP:COI, particularly WP:PAID, very carefully.

There are some good general tips about writing a new wikipedia article at WP:FIRST and WP:BACKWARDS. Regarding your other questions, it's actually good if the page is shorter with a few sources. The review process is, I'm afraid, very backlogged, so it's in your interest to make your article as easy as possible to review. So short is good. Make sure all information in your draft clearly has a footnote to the source of that information. What reviewers are assessing is primarily whether the sources shown in the article meet the guidelines at WP:NCORP. This is not easy. I would say that writing an article on a company from scratch is probably one of the hardest tasks on wikipedia. If you have any interest in editing more broadly, I would strongly suggest not writing about your company for now, and learning the ropes while editing other topics. It will be much easier to write an article on a company once you've had more practice.

Regarding the photo, that's up to you. Please remember that you're releasing anything you upload to a CC BY-SA license, which means that, provided that you are given attribution, anyone else can use that image however they like, even commercially. -- asilvering (talk) 09:10, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Question from RSHW142 on Draft:Parbie (13:41, 2 May 2025)

Create a Wikipedia Japanese Anime Fashion Doll Named Parbie From Japan --RSHW142 (talk) 13:41, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Sorry @RSHW142, I'm going to have to delete that as a hoax. -- asilvering (talk) 15:54, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Administration request

Good day asilvering. I've come across an account which has been ferociously edit warring over some obscure television shows and books for quite some time, I was hoping you might be able to take a look and leave them a more sternly worded message. I'd prefer to avoid going to ANI if I can, but let me know if that would be more appropriate. The account in question is "KL3985U$" on the articles List of Theodore Tugboat episodes, List of Are You Afraid of the Dark? episodes, and some others. It seems like there's also some badgering going on against the user TheMaxM1, I feel kind of bad for them. I really don't have the will to go through all the back and forth over Theodore Tugboat, as much as I loved to ride on Theodore Too back when he was still around. Cheers, MediaKyle (talk) 11:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Wow, this Theodore Tugboat one is very strange. At this point they've blown past WP:3RR so I can give them an immediate timeout for that. -- asilvering (talk) 19:35, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

I agree, it definitely tops my list of whacky interactions so far. I have a number of these back alley Nova Scotia-adjacent articles on my watchlist, and at first you'd say "well obviously the one that says it's his first day in the harbour is the first episode", but apparently this is in fact not the case. I think it would be a stretch to call this vandalism, but it's something. Thanks. MediaKyle (talk) 19:49, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

ANI Post "Chetsford Lying"

Hello,

You recently closed Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Chetsford Lying. Can you please tell me how the following are not lies?

Chetsford states that three sources were used in a deleted article, but only one was.

Chetsford states that an article mentions Christopher Mellon once but it actually mentions him three times.

Chetsford states that a book mentions Christopher Mellon in two sentences but it actually mentions him in three.

Chetsford states that Mellon is mentioned in one paragraph but is actually mentioned in five.

You have labeled this as a disagreement, and it is. Three does not equal one. One does not equal three. Two does not equal three. One does not equal five.

We should be able to agree on these mathematical facts.

Do you admit that Chetsford has told these lies or not? Ben.Gowar (talk) 07:32, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

@Ben.Gowar, you are having a dispute about whether the sources you have found are enough for notability. If you want another opinion on notability, you have only to submit the draft to AfC again and you'll get it. Dragging someone to ANI for "lying" will not help your case and is a serious failure of WP:AGF. For something to be a lie, the person who speaks the lie needs to know they are wrong, and have intent to deceive. -- asilvering (talk) 08:09, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

On those grounds, any accusation of lying (which is a class of incivility) on Wikipedia has to be evidenced by an intent to deceive. So, I have shown that Chetsford is wrong, but how is it possible to evidence an intent to deceive without a confession? This seems unreasonable. Ben.Gowar (talk) 08:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Indeed, you'll find that wikipedia editing becomes dramatically more reasonable if you follow the fourth pillar. -- asilvering (talk) 15:43, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Question from BerryAce (07:56, 4 May 2025)

Hello --BerryAce (talk) 07:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @BerryAce, welcome to wikipedia! -- asilvering (talk) 07:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Harassment accusation

Hello, if the accuser of me harassing him/her goes to ArbCom and it is concluded that it was false/no evidence to support it, can I report them for falsly accusing me? Feels as there is a agenda to get me gone from WikiPedia. And if they do not go to ArbCom, can I still report them? Wlaak (talk) 09:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

@Wlaak, report them to whom? You don't need to report someone to arbcom for falsely accusing you if they've falsely accused you to arbcom; arbcom will already be aware. So far, they haven't really done anything wrong as far as regular admins are concerned, since the only way to assess that either way would be to see the evidence. But now that I have told them they need to stop talking about it on-wiki and go to arbcom, if they keep bringing it up, do let me know and I'll give them a time-out for harassment. -- asilvering (talk) 15:41, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

true haha, either way they just got blocked for being a sock. thanks Wlaak (talk) 22:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

@Asilvering, sorry to disturb. i came across an editor Edit-Warring (at least what i interpret it as). Turoyo language initially had no template regarding a people, up until a few weeks ago, a specific editor put a Assyrian people template on articles relating to villages, churches, and languages.[15]

I challenged these edits [16] and they were also reverted on Syriac Orthodox Church, one revert stating: "This article is not about Assyrians. They are a portion, sure. Refrain from pushing a POV." [17] I also had this feeling and opinion, hence I reverted and asked the editor to refer to the talk page, [18], it was still restored [19] and i reverted, it was then restored again [20], i reverted again stating to please wait with restoring until we have came to a conclusion about this controversial and challenged edit, [21], however this was ignored and it was still reverted again [22].

Talk:Turoyo language#Challenged template

At the talk page, the editor kept reverting before us coming to a conclusions, in which I told to not do. The user seems to have planned a escape from the three revert rule, having three reverts in 3 days, 1 two days ago and two today. I do not want to revert it because I will be breaking the three-revert rule in that case.

What should be done at this time? Wlaak (talk) 20:01, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

@Wlaak, you won't be breaking 3RR if you revert; that's not three reverts ever, it's more than three in 24 hours. But this is still definitely edit-warring, and you should stop. In this case, it looks perfectly reasonable to me that this template is here, though. You can see that Template:Assyrians has Turoyo as one of its linked articles. That means it should be on that article, and the other editor was right to fix this problem. That doesn't mean you need to agree with it, but the place to discuss what ought to be on that template is Template talk:Assyrians. Please note, however, that that template has had Turoyo on it since 2007, with no apparent issues. Consensus can change, of course, but arguing to change something that's been uncontentious since 2007... well, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that it's pov-pushing to take it off. -- asilvering (talk) 00:59, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Tenant harassment lawsuits and cases in Santa Monica AFD

Hello, ran across this article at WP:RSL and saw it was already deleted after the AFD expired. Would like to see if it can be salvaged with the provided sources or possibly merged with Landlord harassment. Can you send a copy to me? Thank you. Rcfische2 (talk) 18:54, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

@Rcfische2, given the AfD outcome I don't think it can be salvaged, but you may find that some of these sources or examples are useful for that article. I'll userify it for you. -- asilvering (talk) 19:23, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Alright, all yours at User:Rcfische2/Tenant harassment lawsuits and cases in Santa Monica. -- asilvering (talk) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Ah, I should warn you - don't merge any of this content directly, please, and be very careful to check the sources. This article was obviously written with the help of ChatGPT. -- asilvering (talk) 19:26, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Saw it at the first sentence. Will be careful. Appreciated. Rcfische2 (talk) 19:26, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Arb case

Inevitable at this point I think. What’s the best way to start one? I haven’t really got involved with ARBCOM cases in any meaningful way. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:27, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Alas, @AirshipJungleman29, I've been hoping someone else will tell me. My current plan has been to sit around twiddling my thumbs until @Tamzin gets done with moving, and then to make puppydog eyes at xem. -- asilvering (talk) 01:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

I am done with moving in the sense that I am not actively packing, traveling, or unpacking. Won't consider myself really done till I've got a lease somewhere, and I'm still not even at the point of knowing what country that'd be in, let alone what building. But, yes, around a bit more now!

So, the ARCA request is supposed to come from whatever admin closes the thread. There's certainly consensus for a referral, so any admin could do it, and I'm not opposed to doing it. But I actually think you would be better suited, asilvering. You've participated in far more of the previous threads than I, and have a better understanding of what's going on in the topic area. The way I would build the filing is like:

AE has in the past few months considered several threads regarding Indian military history, often with caste implications, featuring the same revolving cast of participants (proposed parties boldfaced):

Date	Filer	Subject	Other participants	Outcome
[pipe to thread]	Foo	Bar	Baz, Quux	Foo warned

Recurring issues have included [...]. Admins participating in [current thread] found consensus to refer this to ARCA with a scope of Indian military history and related caste issues. [Maybe some commentary on why existing IPA CTOP jurisdiction has been insufficient, and ideas of what more can be done.]

Let me know if you have other questions! -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 04:36, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Lol button

This made me laugh. We really ought to have a Lol button next to the thanks link in History. Mathglot (talk) 05:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

I do frequently read them as "thanks (for the lol)". -- asilvering (talk) 07:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Request for content of deleted article

Hello, I noticed that the page Sylhet Cantonment Public School and College was deleted. I was the creator and unfortunately didn’t save the wiki code.

If possible, could you please paste the latest version’s wiki code on my talk page? BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 09:17, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

@BangladeshiEditorInSylhet, are you intending to use this in some other article, or do you just want it for your own records? If the former I can probably userify it for you. If the latter, I can email it. -- asilvering (talk) 16:38, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

No, i just want to save the information because some content is important, you don't have to userify it, its okay if you just send it. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 16:42, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

you can put the wiki code here: Draft:Sylhet Cantonment Public School and College. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 17:02, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

? BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 10:09, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello Asilvering

@Asilvering, are you available? I have a favor to ask of you. Kartal1071 (talk) 09:39, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

@Kartal1071, if it's still relevant, feel free to ask. Just go ahead and ask in any case, no need to ask to ask. -- asilvering (talk) 16:37, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Asilvering, first of all I wish you a good evening. What code do I need to write to add the Asilvering draft afc template to the article. Also, I made some changes to the Alp Arslan page, can you take a look? If I made a mistake, I'll fix it. Kartal1071 (talk) 19:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

@Asilvering also, would it be a problem if I translate the articles I wrote on the Turkish Wikipedia into English and add them to the English Wikipedia using the same sources? Here are the articles I wrote:

• https://tr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rey_Muharebesi_(1059)

• https://tr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCy%C3%BCk_Sel%C3%A7uklu_%C4%B0mparatorlu%C4%9Fu%27nun_Kafkasya_Seferi_(1064)

• https://tr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A2ve_Muharebesi

• https://tr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damgan_Muharebesi_(1063)

Kartal1071 (talk) 19:28, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

@Asilvering If I create my articles this way, I won't be violating the policies, right? Kartal1071 (talk) 07:15, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

@Kartal1071, in principle, no problem with translating your articles onto English wikipedia. In practice, it's possible that some of them won't be considered notable topics by en-wiki standards. Given how short these are, I don't think they're likely to make sense as individual articles, and they also may not meet our notability guidelines. Typically we'd cover individual battles like these in an article on the overall campaign/war, or maybe just in the article about the rulers associated with them. On Alp Arslan, I'll have a look, but not right now - feel free to ping me if I forget.

To add the AFC banner to your draft, add {{subst:AfC draft|Kartal1071}} to the top and save the page. Then you'll have to press the blue button to submit it. asilvering (talk) 07:15, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @Asilvering. I wish you a good day and good work. Kartal1071 (talk) 07:18, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

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Question from Deadwall (21:05, 6 May 2025)

Hi, someone just undid my edit without providing reasons. What actions can I take? --Deadwall (talk) 21:05, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

@Deadwall: (talk page stalker) I would suggest that you discuss the matter with the other editor on that article's talk page. You shouldn't re-revert them, as this can easily escalate into an edit war, which is prohibited by policy. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 21:16, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

In addition to Grumpylawnchair's good general advice, I'll add that he did provide a reason: WP:ELNO. It looks like that article has had its external links section tagged for attention for a while and no one's got around to fixing it. So you were probably right to remove the old one, but not to add your own new link. If you ask David (politely) he may be able to give you a more specific answer. -- asilvering (talk) 07:08, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

20-minute assessments

Hey there! Hope you're doing well. Was just wondering if you're still able to do some of the 20-minute assessments for the Women in Green event? I've been trying to keep up with them as they come, but have missed a couple as I'm dealing with an injury right now. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:04, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Oh shoot. That's me losing control of my watchlist and not noticing them come in. Will do. -- asilvering (talk) 15:02, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

7 May

@Asilvering can you tell me what was done wrong this time? engaging in talk page is subject to topic ban? Wlaak (talk) 20:38, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

@Wlaak, you're causing a lot of disruption in the topic area and you have an obvious POV. That's going to result in sanctions eventually no matter how correct you are on the merits. That's why I've been suggesting that you avoid the topic completely until you're more experienced at navigating these kinds of disputes. You're having to learn about how to handle edit-warring and dispute resolution in a topic you care very deeply about, which is already hard, and made much, much harder by the fact that this is also an ongoing nationalist dispute in the world more broadly, not just some argument between a few hyperfocused nerds on the internet. I'm proposing a TBAN again because your behaviour keeps getting reported, and if that keeps happening, eventually an admin is going to give you an indefinite block. I don't want to indef you. I really believe that you are here to improve the encyclopedia in good faith, which is more than I can say for a lot of nationalist editors. If you don't learn how to act like someone who is here to work collaboratively, though, all the good faith in the world means nothing. Maybe you will never be able to edit without pov-pushing, in which case you will, eventually, be forced to leave the project. I'm proposing a tban in the hopes that we can avoid that outcome. -- asilvering (talk) 23:08, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

I am lost for words, can I at least work on my Draft? I have put in so much effort in it. Wlaak (talk) 23:10, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Not if you're tbanned, no, that would be a violation of the ban. But that doesn't mean that all the work is lost. Even if the draft is deleted after six months because no one else has edited it (that's WP:G13), we can undelete it at the request of any interested editor. So if you're tbanned but then successfully appeal the ban in the future, you can go right back to it. And of course nothing is stopping you from working on it offline either. -- asilvering (talk) 23:23, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Can you not make exception for the Draft? It is my draft, I started it and I have written nearly everything in it. Or if the tban can go to 3 months at least... Draft is within the draft, it is not affecting other people Wlaak (talk) 23:25, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Since you like literature...

Check out Harry Bruce (writer), hot off the presses. It was a collaborative effort with the subject's grandson, there's a very long talk page discussion archived. He was quite well known in my corner of the world. Thought you might find it interesting - feedback is always welcome if you have any thoughts. Cheers, MediaKyle (talk) 21:45, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

The child of Charles Tory Bruce and Agnes King. This has got to be the most Canadian guy of all time.

You've got a ref error in there on fn 18. User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors.js will help you spot it. -- asilvering (talk) 23:13, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, I haven't yet resolved it but I see what to do.

By the way... You deleted the real talk archive, I assume you meant to delete the weird redirect I made when I mixed up namespaces. Can you please restore Talk:Harry Bruce (writer)/Archive 1? Thanks, MediaKyle (talk) 23:45, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

ohhhh dear. Thanks for pointing it out. I deleted the one that wasn't in the talk namespace and twinkle automatically goes after the talk pages at the same time unless you specifically tell it not to. -- asilvering (talk) 23:56, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

8 May

How can you say it has been asserted a POV-fork of Assyrian people, what about it is a fork? It speaks of different things, it speaks of Aramean history, it speaks of their organizations, culture, traditions etc. What makes you say its a fork? It seems to be unfortunately, that since the start of your involvement in this dispute, you've constantly been against the Aramean side of things. Wlaak (talk) 12:53, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

@Wlaak, "asserted to be" is a key phrase here. Regarding the draft, the two "sides" are the side that says it's a POV fork, and your side, which says it isn't. I haven't said "is a POV fork" because I'm not taking any position on the dispute itself. If I had to pick, my guess would be that it is not a POV fork, but as I've told you a handful of times now, I'm deliberately avoiding coming to a conclusion on the content so that I am still free to act as an administrator in the area. -- asilvering (talk) 15:04, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

ah okay. sorry for coming at you hot, i've realized that Wikipedia sentences do require a bit more of interpretation than standard sentences. sorry. Wlaak (talk) 15:11, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Haha! That's what WP:AGF is there for, after all. When in doubt, ask. -- asilvering (talk) 15:45, 8 May 2025 (UTC)