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Ben Lerer Draft

Hello, S0091! A while back, you and I discussed the Ben Lerer draft. I've kept a copy in my userspace, and recently added a new source from Fortune that covers Ben in some detail. I was wondering if you'd be willing to take a look and let me know if you think it's worth resubmitting to AfC at this point? This diff shows the changes I made. Cheers! BINK Robin (talk) 16:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

AfC log

Hello, I noticed that you reverted my revision on a subpage of your userpage. It was entirely reasonable to do that, and I apologize for not asking for permission before editing it. However though, I would like you to please reconsider. I've recently changed the username of my main account, and have been trying to remove any trace of the old one with an alternate that I will vanish later (hence my IP address reply). It matters quite a bit to me to separate myself from the name, so it'd be appreciated if you could assist with that. 24.24.227.56 (talk) 23:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Please log into your account when editing. I assume you are User:Koopastar2/User:Popturtle and are referring to my revert of this edit where you changed my AfC log page from to User:Koopastar2 to User:Popturtle for a draft I declined. What you are trying to do is not possible and per WP:VANISH it applies to a person not an account (i.e. you cannot vanish if you are still editing even from a different account). Pinging @Cabayi who is an admin and performs name changes to provide some guidance (and to correct me if I am wrong). S0091 (talk) 20:46, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Just so. Vanishing is for users who are leaving Wikipedia for good. You appear to have a WP:CLEANSTART in mind which depends on keeping a distance between the two accounts. Any editor who is able to put 2 & 2 together on-wiki is free to do so. Cabayi (talk) 10:36, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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Hi S0091

New coverage has come to light for this past declined submission

Many high quality and top publications: The Today Show (national TV), PIX 11 New York City News, New York Live, Business Insider and others


Can you review?

Draft:Venhue Nycrest (talk) 16:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Abigail Bassett

Hello, S0091. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "Abigail Bassett".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

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Draft:Jennifer Ashley Tepper

Hey S0091, why the revert? I assumed I had mucked something up and missed it but after checking I can't see the reason for it? Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 19:45, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention @KylieTastic. I don't recall making the revert and clearly it was an error on my part. My best guess is I had a couple pages up and reverted the wrong one or perhaps I was possessed by a Gremlin. :) S0091 (talk) 21:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
No worries, I have done accidental reverts multiple times - luckily I noticed most myself :) - just glad I wasn't missing something obvious. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 21:49, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@KylieTastic you remind of an IT developer I worked closely with for a few years who really knew her stuff. She knew the system, the right questions to ask, the flags the raise, etc. and genuinely never wrong. The one time she was wrong about something, I marked it on my calendar. She and I giggled then quickly moved on to all work at hand. S0091 (talk) 22:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:) KylieTastic (talk) 22:21, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

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Regarding Bajirao I Article template addition

Hi. Glad to know you are interested in contributing to the above mentioned article but it's good to have discussion before addition of such templates. As you already know most of information recently added had been sourced and you can't claim all sources are biased and contain weasel words. If you have any sources which strictly promote what you think I will like to have a look at those. Till then I am reverting your edit as it seems a POV push. Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 07:01, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Mohammad Umar Ali, the fact you think the tags were POV and that I want to "promote" something says more about you than me and it's clear you did not bother to read the tags as neither of them said all the sources are biased. Nor did you bother to follow the links within them. Had you done so, you'd understand why using phrases like he had "a passion for military adventure" and "Bajirao displayed a passion for the military" are problematic and fall afoul of Wikipedia's WP:Neutral point of view policy. You've removed the tags...so be it. Any Wikipedia editor worth their salt will see the problems and some of issues have already been noted on talk page. S0091 (talk) 23:26, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
So, do you mean that sources or authors can't use such terms, if that's the case i am afraid you have to post such tags on many articles on Wikipedia as many articles contain what you call "vague phrases". Besides, I am well aware of most of the policies so you don't have to remind me what's neutral and what's not. I think you yourself don't understand the mentioned policy which says: Generally, do not remove sourced information from the encyclopedia solely because it seems biased. Instead, try to rewrite the passage or section to achieve a more neutral tone. Biased information can usually be balanced with material cited to other sources to produce a more neutral perspective, so such problems should be fixed when possible through the normal editing process. Remove material when you have a good reason to believe it misinforms or misleads readers in ways that cannot be addressed by rewriting the passage. The sections below offer specific guidance on common problems. I have used no original research in the article. I could have cited more sources but many citations are not allowed (ig you know that). Also talk page is for discussions, if something meaningful is agreed upon I shall be happy to comply with it. And what do you find biased in the article do you have any reliable source (WP:RS) in support for what you wanna add or remove from the artice? Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 05:48, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Stevie Stiletto and The Switchblades

Greetings. Thanks for the note on one of the pages I'm trying to add. I did find that the band was written about through Googele Books so thank you. How would you suggest i incorporate them as references? Albieabbiati (talk) 17:43, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Albieabbiati, be sure when you are in edit mode you are using the Visual Editor. When you select edit, on the top right corner there is pencil icon where you can choose which editing tool (Source or Visual Editor). Select Visual Editor then follow the instructions at WP:INTREFVE. Essentially, you copy the Google Book url into the Automatic citation function, click Generate and it will format it for you, then Insert. I did add one book by Kevin Dunn to the draft and reformatted your citations so take a look. I took a stab at placing them in-line but you can move them as needed (in edit mode drag and drop or cut/paste the footnote number in the prose).
You can also use the same source multiple times which you will likely need to do so everything is cited in-line to a source (see Reusing references in the instructions but you can also use copy/paste like above). It's pretty easy once you get steps down. There's also at least a couple Billboard sources in Google Books. The Automatic function does not work well with Billboard because it thinks it's a book rather than magazine but use the Automatic function anyway (something is better than nothing) then leave me a note and I will reformat them for you if you use them. No need to wait for me to do so, though. When you are ready to resubmit the draft, submit it. Formatting, etc. can take place anytime. Having adequate sources to meet the notability criteria is much more important. S0091 (talk) 18:54, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
You are so kind! Thanks for the lessons. Albieabbiati (talk) 17:41, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

User:86.160.247.245

Re: your comment if this editor reverts again, report them on User talk:86.160.247.245, the IP has again reverted edits on TVR and TVR Griffith. I'm not sure where to go for this, eg. if it falls under WP:DRN, WP:AN3, WP:RFC, or somewhere else. Would you be willing to open the request, as you seem more familiar with the process?

Additionally, I'm technically guilty of three reverts on TVR, so I don't want to push my luck. Iiii I I I (talk) 00:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

@Iiii I I I the place to report edit warring is WP:AN3 but you're right, if you've been edit warring as well likely either you'll both be blocked or the articles locked. That would be case even I reported it. There's another editor who piped in at Talk:TVR so I suggest continuing the discussion with them. From what I understand, it sounds like some reworking of the articles might be helpful to make things more clear. If after doing that, if the IP reverts again then you have WP:consensus behind you. Don't revert; just report them. The other benefit is by the time you work things out on the talk page, the IP may have moved on anyway or at least calmed down. S0091 (talk) 19:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

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Noteable topic i.e. others and new sources

Hi, is there something specific that needs to be addressed for Draft:Venhue to be included along with its peers? I.e. Foxface Natural. Trying to document East Village restaurants. Venhue has been noted on The Today Show, Yelp and other major publications many sources have been provided. Nycrest (talk) 18:29, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

@Nycrest It has been explained to you time and again why the sources are not sufficient. At this point, it is past time for you to move on. Continuing will result in you being blocked for wasting the community's time. S0091 (talk) 19:40, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
I am not submitting without new sources, everytime this has been submitted, it has been submitted with new sources (credible sources from major news outlets), I am not sure why this is being met with such defensiveness. I imagine Wikipedia should revisit situations where new sources come to light.
I am just curious how many other sources are required for it to be notable? is there a specific source in mind? Right now there are 7 sources from major publications The Today Show, NBC New York, Business Insider, Yelp Business, Eater, Islands, etc.
We want our restaurants to be represented from our community, that's all. Nycrest (talk) 04:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

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About the draft of "Holy Week in Segovia"

First of all, I deeply thank you for your commentary on the draft, I was starting to worry that I wouldn't get any feedback, I've already started working on the pages you suggested.

Secondly about the sources: While the web page tries to promote the event, it is also the official page for the Holy Week in Segovia, being backed up by the Junta of Castile and León as can be seen in the bottom of the main page, I have used this page to obtain the data about the date of founding of the brotherhoods, which I think is something the source should be able to cover reliably. And about the book, while it is published by a local editor, the author uses the report made by the Junta of Cofradías to try and get the goverment to declare the Holy Week in Segovia as a Fiesta of National Interest, as one of the main sources. If you want I can post a photo of the page of the book that contains the bibliography (it is in spanish, tho)

And finally: I have tried searching for other sources, but most of them are either personal blogs or very short traductions from official sites, so I would say that the sources I've used for the article are the most complete available.

Again, thank you very much for your commentary and allowing me to improve my articles, every single possible commentary and critique are welcome. Mateo MD (talk) 20:47, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

@Mateo MD I have to honest with you, if all the sources you have are based on those promoting it in one way or another, whether that be to get the event recognized as a Fiestas of National Tourist Interest of Spain or once it was to continue to promote it, both of which is about tourist money rather than historical accuracy and significance then I'm not sure it can meet the English Wikipedia's notability guidelines. However, the reason I left a comment rather than a review, which would be a decline, is in case another reviewer might see it differently. On top of that, I thought it was unfair you did not get a response from the initial reviewer which was a concern you rightfully noted at the AfC helpdesk. S0091 (talk) 21:38, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
@S0091 Thanks for the reply. I also thought that is was quite unfair that I didn't get any explanation, but since I'm not that familiar with the English Wikipedia's procedures I prefered to wait a month just in case the editor that reviewed the draft was taking their time.
While the Fiesta of National Tourist Interest does (obviously) have the objective of promoting the event in a turistical way, it also takes into consideration the history and cultural value of the event (as explained in the BOE-A-2019-11573, Article 4) therefore, the work memory must include a section detailing the history of the event which is then reviewed by Ministry of Industry and Tourism, taking this into consideration, I would say that the data provided by the book should be reliable.
Unfortunately the Holy Week in Segovia is overshadowed by other Holy Weeks of Castile, but it still has a lot of cultural and historical heritage, it is also the biggest economic event of the city as (according to the City Council) around 30.000 people visited the city during this time (to put it into scale, this is more than half of the city's population). Since Segovia is quite a small city, most of the historical investigations and data collecting were done by the Junta of Cofradías with the purpose of using that data to promote the event and while that information is being used to promote the event, it doesn't mean that is unreliable.
Again, thank you for your interest, I'm hoping that another editor can also review the draft and give their opinion on the sources, since it looks that all of the complains come from them. Mateo MD (talk) 15:33, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
@Mateo MD I think the book and likely the website are reliable so that, at least to me, is not a concern. It's if they establish notability, which requires sources meet several criteria as outlined in WP:NEVENT and also WP:GNG. What I suggest doing is adding a note a the draft's talk page explaining the sources as you did here. Once you do that, let me know and I will leave a comment on the draft letting the next reviewer know to look at the talk page. S0091 (talk) 16:13, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
@S0091 I cannot thank you enough for your help. I will set up the explanation in the Talk page as soon as I can.
Again, I deeply thank you for helping me in this topic Mateo MD (talk) 17:55, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Nico Cappelluti moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Nico Cappelluti. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because See talk page, there are too many problems at the moment. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Ldm1954 (talk) 12:58, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

@Ldm1954 thanks for the extra set of eyes. Sometimes I do accept drafts I think are borderline so appreciate NPP/other editor's view. S0091 (talk) 16:17, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

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Greetings. I noticed an edit and summary here where the first of three sources does in fact mention the subject. However, I think the removal is fine as per WP:WEIGHT/WP:COATRACK. The topic coverage in reliable sources is actually of another person. There was a recent WP:BLPN post about this article, so I've been watching. Thanks for your edits there. I hope you'll watch the page, too! Cheers! JFHJr (㊟) 22:36, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

@NatGertler, what do you think? JFHJr (㊟) 22:39, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
I think the first source is sufficient to prove inclusion is due, and the rest gives context for the situation. But then, I'm very cautious about erasure of critical material from that article given its history. I reverted the edit as being based on a false claim before I saw this message from you. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 22:42, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
I 100% agree this edit summary was an avoidable and problematic mistake, but WP:AGF, I think there are good reasons to support S0091's removal. The first source involves the subject, in an apparently WP:BLPSPS (written interview) format. The others follow the rabbit hole about someone else. It's hard for me to assess how much weight is due around this controversy because it appears not to have been the topic of enduring coverage or otherwise significantly impactful in this subject's life, encyclopedically. Cheers. JFHJr (㊟) 22:58, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
I am not standing in the way of further edits, merely undid an edit apparently grounded in error. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 23:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
I've redone the edit and also posted at the article talk page. It's a better forum than here. Thanks to you both for your availability (both forum and feedback). Cheers! JFHJr (㊟) 23:23, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
@JFHJr@NatGertler thanks for catching my error. I used control+f to search the sources and apparently I had his name misspelled. For the record Nat, you were right to revert me on those grounds. I also came across the article because it was listed at BLPN so I bookmarked it and glad others are keeping an eye on it. S0091 (talk) 14:26, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
I reckoned that was the case; goodness knows, I've done that before myself. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 15:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Mistaken revert?

Were you serious about making this revert which restored glorification of the subject? I already posted on the talk page but another editor is not responding. Koshuri (グ) 15:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

@Koshuri Sultan oops, my intent was revert the addition of the material. S0091 (talk) 15:44, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
Where have you left? Participate in discussion S00991 else I have to revert your edit. Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 16:10, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
@Mohammad Umar Ali if you revert again, you will be violating WP:3RR and will likely be blocked. Continue the discussion. S0091 (talk) 16:11, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
So participate what are trying to say that you reverted my edits without justification and then shouting WP:3RR Where are you in discussion I can't even find that Koshuri guy! Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 16:14, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
Also I will be likely filing WP:ANI against if you not participate in talk page discussion just mentioning talk page in edit summary and leaving so be prepared! Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 16:15, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
Yes, Koshuri Sultan had started a discussion on the talk page because there is a dispute regarding the content. Per WP:BRD the appropriate action to engage in the discussion rather than restoring the edits. That is what I was enforcing. Also, you posting a clip that makes it difficult to join. Give folks some time to review the arguments. S0091 (talk) 16:22, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
I replied to all his points. He is not replying now. So should I revert? Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 17:32, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
No. Discussions take time and editors are volunteers with real lives so are not on Wikipedia all the time. There is no WP:DEADLINE here. Give it a couple days. S0091 (talk) 17:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
So if he doesn't reply in few days then I could revert? I am asking this as it has happened with me many time that editors revert my edit saying they want to discuss but after a while stop the discussion. This leads to removal of my edit and no discussion so what to do in such case? Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 17:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
Have you read WP:Words to watch? I think there's some tips there that might be helpful to you. There are reasons your edits have been reverted by multiple editors. Please also keep in mind that just because a reliable source states something, does not mean it belongs in an article. In addition, we must be very careful about stating things in Wikipedia's voice. Per WP:NPOV, an article should have an impartial tone. S0091 (talk) 17:55, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
Then restore the previous lead why Koshuri have written his lead and you have restored that till the eventual outcome of the discussion? Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 18:04, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
Your response ignores mine and my question. S0091 (talk) 18:11, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
Didn't get it. What are you trying to say? Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 18:14, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
Well, I asked you a very specific question then went into other policies but your response ignore all of it. S0091 (talk) 18:29, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

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I suspect this sandbox is going nowhere judging by the behaviour of the creating editor 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 20:27, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Oh shoot, didn't mean to duplicate the tag. I don't mind folks using LLM as a tool in the toolbox but it shouldn't be the only tool and not a crutch. Once you know it's been used, then as a reviewer, I think you need to take extra care reviewing the content and sources ensure WP:V, much less WP:N. It just makes it too hairy and time consuming. S0091 (talk) 20:43, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
I take a sterner few. If the submitting editor chooses to make our work harder I chose to decline the draft; I am not going to check for hallucinated references, for example. I distrust LLMs, though use them as a tool in my personal research. For Wikipedia I find them be lazy. If all articles are created with AI we may as well give up here. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 20:53, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
To be fair, I don't think new editors understand the work it takes to review a draft and I don't fault them for that because Wikipedia is complicated. But yes, it is lazy and yes, if this all we get we should just give up. I've already partially given up on Wikipedia because of UPE/socks. At this time, there is no efficient way to battle it (i.e they create an account in two seconds, it takes an AGF editor hours to prove they are UPE/sock), Add LLM to it, Wikipedia is done. There's not enough tools in the toolbox to handle it or enough editors. S0091 (talk) 21:11, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Any update needed?

Hi. Thank you for your help. Do I need to re-edit anything currently as have an updated version if needed. Thanks SoulGaze (talk) 15:24, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @SoulGaze I just accepted it so good there. If you could fix footnote 4, which I think is suppose to be a MOJO article that would be great. Other than that, you are welcome to continue to expand/update it. Also, there's enough reviews for a stand-alone article about Humanist if you are inclined to create one. S0091 (talk) 15:37, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
That’s wonderful, thank you. I really appreciate it. I will fix that. I do have a humanist one on review currently.. SoulGaze (talk) 15:39, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
@SoulGaze for Draft:Humanist (UK) you need citations for the list of starred reviews. Once you do that, it should be good to go. S0091 (talk) 15:46, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
That’s fantastic. New edit is published. Hopefully that is okay. You’re help is greatly appreciated. SoulGaze (talk) 16:08, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

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My submission was made with no connection to the person in question but as i found him through ABC News - The article has been changed to reference the correct notable sources now and should be accepted as it meets the guidelines - As someone new to Wikipedia I apologies that it came accross as an advertisement as opposed to an article of fact as relevant to this encyclopedia. 2406:2D40:4154:3410:C0C9:8B82:C0E:855B (talk) 03:40, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

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Request on 18:04:53, 21 April 2025 for assistance on AfC submission by VMCS83

Subject: Request for reconsideration of Abstract Division's Wikipedia entry

I would like to respectfully request reconsideration of the decision regarding Abstract Division's Wikipedia entry. I believe their inclusion in the encyclopedia is justified, based on the following points, and I would appreciate a review in light of similar artists' entries.

Comparable Artist - Oscar Mulero:

Please review the page for Oscar Mulero, another artist of similar caliber. Despite a relatively limited number of third-party sources, such as a citation primarily from his personal website, he has been granted a Wikipedia article.

Abstract Division, on the other hand, has had more significant and third-party independent coverage, including official work such as contributing a soundtrack to the Netflix series Sense8.

Moreover, the fact that Abstract Division has been featured in reputable sources like VPRO — a Dutch public broadcaster that is a part of the public broadcasting system—further substantiates their notability. VPRO's coverage, particularly in two articles dedicated to them, should be seen as credible and substantial. Incorrectly, I marked them as interviews, but these are actually independent news articles. This I have corrected now.

VPRO as a Credible Source:

VPRO, as a public broadcaster, provides content with editorial standards that exceed those of some commercial outlets. As such, their coverage of Abstract Division should be given significant weight. It is not just a passing mention but an article that provides meaningful discussion about the artists and their work. This coverage holds more value and authority than some other sources such as Mixmag, which, though respected in the dance music industry, may not always reflect the full depth of an artist's career, especially in non-English media contexts, given that Mixmag is a London-based publisher. Dutch Media Coverage: Given that Abstract Division is a Dutch-origin duo, it is reasonable to expect that they would receive more media coverage in Dutch-language outlets, such as VPRO, rather than international publications like Mixmag. Artists (in my example, Sandwell Districts - Function & Regis) often gain more recognition in their home countries, where the media has a greater interest in local talent.

Function (musician) Comparison:

In comparison to Function (musician) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_(musician)), who does not have a personal website linked for his label and whose PR agency’s website is currently inaccessible, Abstract Division’s presence in multiple reliable secondary sources such as VPRO and Netflix’s Sense8 soundtrack clearly demonstrates a higher level of notability and coverage in independent media. I hope this comparison clarifies that Abstract Division has garnered substantial recognition from sources that should be considered authoritative and independent of the artists themselves. Given these points, I respectfully request that the article's deletion be reconsidered or that additional sources be weighed more fairly in the decision-making process.

At last, I have also contacted #wikipedia-en-help for additional advice on how to improve this article that I have followed up.

There are so many other artists (that I also named above) of same caliber who have their own Wikipedia page, and their submissions have been accepted with a lot less sources.

Abstract Division appeared with their soundtrack in a Netflix series, so they are internationally a known producer duo, and there are multiple sources that are articles, written by journalists, in music-related magazines, like VICE, Selector News, Resident Advisor and Thump (NL) which have not been added yet the previous times, but most importantly, a national broadcast channel in the Netherlands, VPRO.

Again, VPRO stands for a well-known trusted national broadcaster in Holland. VPRO even has its own Wikipedia page, unlike the other sources, e.g., music magazines, that were frequently used on already accepted Wikipedia articles).

Trifec or all interview references can be removed, if that is the only thing that stands in the way of having their page accepted. There are enough other sources, written by music journalists. Furthermore, the Netflix 'Sense8' soundtrack alone should be considered a more serious contribution to the music world, than some Mixmag, VICE or Thump articles - which again, were sources enough credible for other artist page submissions.

Moreover, I have contacted after the first rejection the "Articles for creation help desk", and I was told that interviews are okay as long as they are used as references, and not as External Links, and as long as there are enough independent articles written by journalists.

Even if I delete all the interviews, there are numerous articles that have been written about this duo in the past years, and again, a lot more independent articles than other Wikipedia pages cite for other artists of similar caliber.

Hereby one more time the independent articles enumerated:

1. Verweij, Mick (5 June 2015). "Abstract Division komt met een ode aan Detroit-techno, twee nieuwe labels én een eigen avond in Het Transportbedrijf" [Abstract Division comes with an ode to Detroit techno, two new labels, and a New Night at Transportbedrijf]. Vice Magazine 2. Cameron, John (15 November 2021). "Abstract Division Deliver Sublime Hypnotic Techno". Selector News. Retrieved 18 February 2025 3. de Vrieze, Atze (27 september 2022). Article about Abstract Division at 3voor12 of VPRO 4. de Vrieze, Atze (26 oktober 2021). Article about Abstract Division at 3voor12 of VPRO 5. Peters, Jouko (16 oktober 2013). Interview with Abstract Division at 3voor12 of VPRO 6. THUMP Editorial Team (25 November 2015). "Crate Expectations: Abstract Division". Vice. Retrieved 18 February 2025. 7. Kolada, Brian. "Review of Abstract Division - Form & Function Part 3". Resident Advisor. 8. Kolada, Brian. "Review of Abstract Division - Time And Perception Pt. 1". Resident Advisor.


Again, if for other artists, less of these were enough in the past to get their own Wikipedia page accpeted.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

VMCS83 (talk) 18:04, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Responded on their talk page. S0091 (talk) 18:17, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Article Submission Declined

Hello! I am writing in regards to Draft:Andrew Wincott. Is there anything in particular that made you decline? Some articles I cited are blocked behind paywalls but I have checked them in the past + I know that actor personally. Could it be lack of notes for his radio roles that bothered you?

Edit: There are not that many written interviews with him and when I attempted to cite a Youtube interview, Wikipedia wouldn't let me. Some information is out there, but cannot be connected to the page.

Regards Callmeclaudii (talk) 23:01, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Callmeclaudii I can't provide much outside of the criteria provided in the decline so please read through those links and my comment. As stated, interviews are not helpful. S0091 (talk) 16:08, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
Hi once again! I found two independent sources that speak about the actor, without the actor being actually involved and sources for his credits that aren't iMDB. I also changed some of the citations. Can you please take a look? I'd like to emphasize that this is a living person, cast member of The Archers and a winner of a BAFTA, who is still professionally active. I was checking pages of his colleagues such as Cissy Jones, Tracy Wiles, Ryan Kelly (actor), Louiza Patikas and I sincerely believe Andrew Wincott meets the critieria for his own entry in the encyclopedia.
Thanks for your time, hope to hear back on the subject soon Callmeclaudii (talk) 18:49, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Hi @Callmeclaudii you have resubmitted it for review so another review will take look. S0091 (talk) 19:08, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
Ohh, I thought it's to let you know that the article is ready after changes. Sorry, I didn't use Wikipedia that way before Callmeclaudii (talk) 19:12, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
@Callmeclaudii you did not do anything wrong. I just think it's usually best to get another set of eyes for fairness. S0091 (talk) 19:16, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Andy Pickford

The subject in question has mitigating circumstances. Subject is certainly "niche", but sits equally alongside equally niche artists such as Ian Boddy and Mark Shreeve. Where it does become unusual is that he's become notable in the -absence- if mainstream marketing, advertising, reviews, interviews etc. The artist effectively declines them, yet in spite of this has been a key figure within this movement for 40 years. It's a case of the artist themselves having become notable in spite of wanting to remain 'under the radar' so to speak. Am awaiting new source material from Belgian Prog Rock magazine "Prog Resiste" which published a full article a few years ago. To summarise: artist is certainly notable, regarded as at the top of his game in a niche genre, but actively avoids seeking publicity, which you may view as problematic, but oughtn't rule him out of consideration. Electropunk65 (talk) 17:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

@Electropunk65 Ir's not my view. The notability criteria he must meet is WP:NMUSIC. Just saying he is notable, of course, is not enough. You need reliable independent published sources that state he is "key figure" and "at the top of his game" (or similar) and go into some depth as to how/why. Also, I have not ruled him out as I did not decline the draft. I simply made a comment that some additional sources would be helpful and hopefully you will be able to find some. You might also find WP:WikiProject Albums/Sources helpful. Prog Resiste is not listed there but there are links to archives of music publications. S0091 (talk) 18:17, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
Located article https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Music-Week/1994/Music-Week-1994-04-23.pdf
This help at all? Electropunk65 (talk) 19:40, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
@Electropunk65 add this note to the draft's talk page so we can keep the discussion in one place. S0091 (talk) 19:43, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Congrats...

...on 100k edits, Jesus! Whether you like it or not, that is a lot :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:22, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Ha! Thanks @Vanderwaalforces. S0091 (talk) 16:19, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Paul Nagle

Struggling a bit with this one. Electropunk65 (talk) 10:00, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

@Electropunk65 yeah, Nagle might not make the cut. I dug around but outside a mention here or there came up empty. For the newspaper articles, can you add the title of articles? I reformatted the refs and just used Title as a placeholder. Oh and I did listen to bit of Pickford last night. Dig it. And he's a funny guy. S0091 (talk) 16:35, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
I should be able to add those yes. I also added a draft Paul Lawler article. I'll be very surprised if that doesn't make it - 4 movie soundtracks, numerous TV shows, worked with Halle Orchestra etc. Some impressive citations. Electropunk65 (talk) 17:08, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
@Electropunk65 Lawler is not going to make the cut either. IMDB and Bandcamp are not reliable sources so should not be used. De Wolf Music and The Talent Manager are primary sources and not independent so not useful for notability. The same for interviews. Decibel is not about Lawler; it's his playlist. Everything lives and dies here based sources and those sources need to meet all four criteria: reliable, secondary, independent and provide significant coverage directly about the topic. What someone has done does not matter. What matters is what others have written about them. S0091 (talk) 17:24, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
I'll try harder with that. There ought to be sufficient out there, will keep looking. Electropunk65 (talk) 17:58, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
@Electropunk65 I'll give you an example, see Charlie Handsome. The draft was created in 2021 and listed most of his body of work at that time but it took until 2023 for the draft to be accepted due to sourcing and he is contemporary hit-maker. For the folks you are writing about, I think it is going to take getting access to old issues of music mags. Pickford was a stroke of luck that Internet Archive had archived mags with a couple reviews, in addition to what you already had. Also, sources do not need to be available on-line, but they do need to be archived somewhere, see WP:PUBLISHED and WP:OFFLINE. Though for obvious reasons, it's helpful when they are. S0091 (talk) 18:36, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Damn...

...there were a lot of these Schaumans, this could keep me busy for a while. :) DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Oh, I just now looked at the editor's talk page...yep and they are on a roll it appears. Thanks for taking a look at them! S0091 (talk) 16:51, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I see you declined my draft submission Draft:Duke–NC State football rivalry on the basis that the content is already covered in the Tobacco Road (rivalry) page. I don't believe this is appropriate because there are multiple other separate rivalry pages that exist between any two of the Tobacco Road schools. See North Carolina–NC State rivalry, North Carolina–NC State football rivalry, North Carolina–Wake Forest rivalry, Carolina–Duke rivalry, Victory Bell (Duke–North Carolina) and NC State–Wake Forest rivalry. I believe you were mistaken in declining my draft. Given these above rationale, would you please reconsider your decision to decline my submission? 162.154.226.252 (talk) 21:36, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

No, I will not. The draft is basically a list of games and does not add much more than the main article. As far as other articles, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Probably some of those articles should be merged to Tobacco Road (rivalry). Even so, you are welcome to resubmit the draft to get another review. If you do, I strongly suggest posting a note on the draft's talk page (Draft talk:Duke–NC State football rivalry) with your arguments as to why it warrants its own article based on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, keeping in mind the fact others exists is not enough. S0091 (talk) 21:52, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Update on Draft:Diriba Eticha Tujuba

Hello S0091,

Thank you for reviewing my draft at Draft:Diriba Eticha Tujuba.

I have made the requested improvements:

- Removed LinkedIn as a source.

- Cited independent and reliable sources (Institute of International Education PDF, BlockchainHTW Conference website, Ethiopian News Agency, NewsTNT).

- Neutralized the language and removed promotional tone.

- Corrected name usage to use "Tujuba" per Wikipedia style.

The draft has been resubmitted for review.

Thank you very much for your time and assistance!

Wieditor25 (talk) 01:38, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Question on Submission

Hello, I saw you recently rejected my submission. Being a member of the credit union, I feel it is notable (it is currently the 4th largest CU in MD), but I understand if I shouldn't be submitting on its behalf being that I work there. How do current organizations who are mentioned substantially get submitted but the topic is not as mainstream (like popular figures). Thank you! Visha78 (talk) 13:46, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Answered at the AfC Helpdesk. S0091 (talk) 15:42, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

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I was going to post this in the AfC discussion board after seeing this but it gave a notice about only being for people working in that project spaces Administration area or similar? I just figured it was relevant to note that this seems to have been an ongoing issue between those two (more one sided than being from both users) since Iknowyoureadog's article was nominated for deletion here on April 3. They threw a couple of templates their way before following that up with mentioning it April 5 to a former Admin for 'advice' (the same one who had previously blocked Xrimonciam). On April 22, MarioGom posted they shared the same concerns with some of X's edits which seemed to renew the interest for Iknowyoureadog (See April 22 question to Izno here, asking about translation software and relevant policies on the 25th at the help desk here then bringing it to Primefac on the 26th here) before finally presenting it to AfC. Xrimon seemed to be a lot more patient than I would honestly have been, but it seems like the original editor is still salty about their article being nominated and is forum/admin shopping for a solution anywhere they can while tracking almost all edits that Xrimon has made since that time.

Just figured I'd let you know since I have zero idea how the AfC board works, and as far as I know haven't ever interacted with Xrimon. Take care! Awshort (talk) 08:38, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Hey @Awshort! That notice is to try to prevent people from asking about their own drafts there rather than at WP:AFCHD but I am kind of glad you didn't comment. WT:AFC really should only be about AfC stuff, not other issues and the conclusion by reviewers is Iknowyoureadog's complaint is without merit so best let it end. However, good to know the background so thanks for sharing and totally agree about Xrimonciam patience. Like I said at WT:AfC, had Iknowyoureadog came to my talk page with all those questions, I would have not responded in detail like Xrimonciam did. I also note Xrimonciam's block was an error (and blocking admin is no longer an admin because of issues with their blocks) and while their AfDs were problematic they seem to take onboard feedback. Xrimonciam's talk page is now on my watchlist since I left them a note yesterday so I will keep an eye out. Also pinging @Asilvering: so they are also aware of the background in case Iknowyoureadog continues and admin intervention is needed. Hopefully they WP:DROPTHESTICK though. S0091 (talk) 16:53, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
Sigh. I had my suspicions, but tried to convince myself that was my own failure to WP:AGF... -- asilvering (talk) 19:22, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
@Primefac, just pinging you to this for awareness. -- asilvering (talk) 19:27, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
@Asilvering this is more sprawling between Awshort and Iknowyoureadog. See User talk:Awshort#April 2025. @Awshort if you are in a conflict with someone, be transparent about it. That's not say you are wrong but it puts a bad taste in my mouth you came here to spill about Iknowyoureadog but made no mention of your acrimonious history with them. At this point you need to take it ANI but be concise as the two you are verbose. S0091 (talk) 21:21, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
It wasn't meant to hide that fact, but it seemed relevant that there was a history between those two since I saw what seemed like an ongoing thing against X being presented multiple places.
Still, I get your point and apologize. It wasn't meant in a sneaky way and I try to be transparent as often as I can. Again, I'm sorry for how it came across.
Awshort (talk) 21:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
@Awshort I'll still keep an eye out on the X stuff but yes, do be transparent in the future. No one wants to get pulled into the middle of shit show believing they are acting on the concerns of an uninvolved editor. I mean imagine if I had taken this to ANI based on this and the AfC discussion, which I would need to notify and ping you and of course Iknowyoureadog. All these other issues between the two of you would come out and I would look like an idiot (or at least feel like one) and I kind of feel like an idiot even here. Not only did I notify asilvering but they also pinged another admin who also happens to an arb (granted Primefac wasn't pinged because they are an arb but still). Had you been transparent, I probably still would have pinged asilvering but at least I'd be able tell them there are other issues going on between you two however you might have a point about this one thing and we all would have been on the up-and-up to make our own assessment. S0091 (talk) 19:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
Noting Iknowyoureadog is now blocked as a sock of Delectopierre - WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Delectopierre. @Awshort good job with the SPI and sorry you had to go through all that. S0091 (talk) 18:11, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
Thank you, I appreciate it!
Awshort (talk) 21:02, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

About My Draft

Hello. Why you declice my article Draft:Abdushukurullo Poziljonov? 213.230.74.41 (talk) 16:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

I have provided the reasons in the decline message so read through all the linked information. S0091 (talk) 16:38, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Small reminder about user warnings

Saw the test and of course I don't mind but you can always use here as well. Not sure if you knew. Nahida 🌷 16:48, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

@Nahida I was testing the Username issue you are having. See the note I just left on your talk page. In that instance the sandbox would not be helpful but I appreciate you coming here to let me know. :) S0091 (talk) 16:58, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
Oh okay lol. No worries. Nahida 🌷 16:59, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

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Lam

Hello - thank you for your immediate critique and feedback! In fact I have many secondary sources and will revise the text as suggested. This is my first wikipedia page. Daweissman (talk) 12:44, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Draft: Bar pizza

Hi, I am reaching out for your honest opinion; do you think given the current state of the page, it has the potential to be published? if not what would you recommend to get it to that point? FloweryLion (talk) 18:56, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

nevermind, my apologies, just saw your reply on the other page. thanks FloweryLion (talk) 18:57, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Fulton Homes

Just to let you know, I am not paid or employed by Fulton Homes. I just thought the company is notable enough to warrant an article, considering they are one of the leading homebuilders in the Phoenix metropolitan area. ANDROS1337TALK 20:36, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

@Andros 1337 post this on your talk page so the discussion is in one place.. S0091 (talk) 20:39, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Christopher Mellon

Thanks for giving it a fair shake. That was surprisingly a pain in the ass to source. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 22:50, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

@Very Polite Person getting it down to a handful of sources made it an easy review. Good job! S0091 (talk) 15:09, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Sylvia Mann

You have made a very interesting, unique, and thoughtful argument here about proposed deletion. Please take it as a compliment that you broke my brain. Bearian (talk) 07:22, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

@Bearian I didn't mean to break you. :) Seriously, I was surprised there wasn't more about her and to be honest, it annoyed me that mostly the only times she has been written about is in the context of her boyfriends. Thanks for stopping by and for the compliment, which means a lot coming from someone who has been around long enough to have seen it all. S0091 (talk) 14:52, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Dagmar Stam

Yeah, she's notable, and famous. I remember her drawings from when I was young. I gotta run--can you clean up after me? And thanks for sending those my way--keep em coming, friend. Oh and please thank the contributor. Drmies (talk) 22:54, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Ratio Utility Billing System updates

Thanks for reviewing the article. I eliminated the Benefits and Criticisms section which eliminated multiple bad references. It's likely a notable topic as the references go back to 2003, and likely a majority of tenants in the US are affected by it. MisheardLyric (talk) 01:14, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Valeriu Iftime

Hey I just wondering if you can review my draft again and if it is eligible revert the STOP thing. I added more sources from more places, added more information and it is overall a lot better. I would really appreciate it, as he is a very important businessman in Romania known by a lot of people.

Cheers! Valeriu863 (talk) 23:29, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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References

Hello I'm new to making wiki pages and not exactly sure how the references part works I do have references but how do I show them exactly? Any help would be appreciated Createpage12 (talk) 19:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Createpage12, read Your first article and I strongly suggest using the Visual Editor which makes adding citations, especially websites, easy. S0091 (talk) 19:10, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Your declination of my page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Henry_Emmanuel_(the_2024_DnD_campaign) Hey S0091, Appreciate the feedback, even if it came with a bit more attitude than necessary. Just a reminder: this is a draft about a homebrew D&D campaign, not a peer-reviewed journal submission. The tone, structure, and style are meant to reflect a fictional narrative that’s intentionally over-the-top — because that’s what the campaign was. I’m not trying to publish a scientific article about “zombie fish people with M138 miniguns.” You mentioned it’s “not readable,” but I’d suggest re-reading it with the context of genre and format in mind. As for being “unsourced” — of course it is. It’s original content, not a summary of existing publications. Wikipedia does allow coverage of notable homebrew projects if they have enough recognition and documentation, and I’m in the process of gathering that. Lastly, the snide tone (“if you want to write article, not an AI chatbot…”) doesn’t really help. Everyone starts somewhere, and if the goal is to improve content, maybe lead with constructive input instead of acting like I kicked your dog. Anyway — I’ll revise it to hit your formatting and sourcing expectations. But let’s not pretend like creativity doesn’t have a place on this site. Cheers, 

Oleg Mefrfrfr (talk) 19:49, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
And, on wiki there's a whole article about the history of the chicken sandwich. so, think mark THINK Mefrfrfr (talk) 19:59, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
@Mefrfrfr from what I gather based on your response is that you have not yet read Your first article which I pointed you to in both the first and second decline and now again. If you have questions or disagree with my decline, you more than welcome to post at the WP:AFCHD which is also linked to in the decline. S0091 (talk) 20:04, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
Hey S0091,
Appreciate you dropping the “read Your first article” link for the fourth time — I’m definitely gonna check it out, no worries. But real talk, just repeating the same canned line like a broken record isn’t exactly helpful. I’m trying to get legit feedback on how to shape my draft into something Wikipedia won’t toss, not a lecture on wiki 101.
If you actually took a second to read my responses instead of hitting copy-paste, you’d see I’m open to fixing the tone, sourcing, and format — I’m just pointing out this is a homebrew campaign, not some encyclopedic subject covered by mainstream sources yet. That’s why I’m working on gathering coverage.
Also, Wikipedia’s got entire pages on chicken sandwiches and fictional stuff with way less notability than my campaign — so forgive me if I’m a bit skeptical about the “notable” barrier being applied so strictly here.
Anyway, I’ll hit up WP:AFCHD like you suggest, but maybe next time, you could offer some actual constructive pointers instead of just sending me in circles? That’d save us both some time.
Cheers,
Oleg Mefrfrfr (talk) 20:08, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@S0091

Hi, regarding my new article submission which required references to be added, the same same has been done. please approve it.

Draft:Opinion Trading Ankush93b (talk) 11:59, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Ankush93b you need a couple more sources that written in-depth about opinion trading. Once have those, click the blue resubmit button and another reviewer will take a look. S0091 (talk) 15:06, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

www.famousfix.com

Is www.famousfix.com a reliable source? 2601:401:4300:3720:81DF:81AF:6126:3E91 (talk) 18:09, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi IP, no because it is a blog/forum (see WP:UGC and WP:BLOG). S0091 (talk) 18:14, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Draft: I Still Believe (Hayden Panettiere song)

Hey, excuse me, but I have another problem:

16^ Cite error: The named reference apple music was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

18^ Cite error: The named reference animatedviews was invoked but never defined (see the help page). 2601:401:4300:3720:81DF:81AF:6126:3E91 (talk) 20:54, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

I tried to fix the error but because you used named references in those instances, I am at a loss without going through a lot of trouble to figure it out, You can try asking at WP:AFCHD though. S0091 (talk) 21:15, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Draft: Daragh Fleming

Hi there, just trying to understand your comment on this page. You mentioned that a draft was rejected in July 2024 and nothing has changed. Could you expand on this? I didn't work on the previous draft so it isn't clear what you mean? Thanks! Padlock24 (talk) 10:25, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Padlock24 the draft's log shows another editor created the draft a couple times. The first was deleted because it was blatantly promotional then they recreated it and if you look on their talk page, it was declined (not rejected) several times then deleted because it was abandoned. I thought it was possible you were the same editor who simply forgot their password so set up a new account (it happens). However, based on your query, you are not the same editor. I will be honest with you, such history with now a different editor creating the same/similar draft is an indicator of a Conflict of interest if not Undisclosed paid editing. That may or may not be the case, but either way, Fleming does not meet the notability criteria so it will ultimately be declined yet again (not by me, another reviewer will take look but the result is inevitable). S0091 (talk) 20:24, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
Hey @S0091 thanks for your reply. That's interesting. I wasn't invlved then but it is good to know. Fleming has become quit prominent in Ireland and with the press surrounding his latest book I thought it was sufficient but perhaps it is not time yet. I haven't been paid to do any editing or anything like that. I'd just like to get involved in adding to Wiki and thought this might be a simple one to start with - but alas it is not to be! Padlock24 (talk) 09:02, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

About the declined redirect requests

When someone refers to sucking someone's dick or cock, it just means they want to fellate. "Suck dick", "Suck cock", "Sucking cock", "Sucking dick" already exist and you decline the page requests I asked? Especially for the ones redirecting to "Anilingus". "Suck ass" exists, and "Suck my butt", "Suck my ass", "Sucking butt", "Sucking ass", and "Suck butt" are declined. How come? Kjjj6uhhhhh (talk) 17:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Kjjj6uhhhhh, they were combined with the "Suck my" ones which I didn't think were good search terms. Make another request for the others. Actually, you are autoconfirmed so you can make these yourself. S0091 (talk) 17:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
The last time I did this, I made so much redirects that those pages got deleted. Was it because I wasn't autoconfirmed or was it just spam? Kjjj6uhhhhh (talk) 18:48, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
@Kjjj6uhhhhh looking at your talk page, the reason they were deleted was because of WP:R3 (read that). The same would have happened regardless of who created those redirects and part of the reason I declined your request (i.e. AFC/R is not an end-run). "Sucking butt", "Sucking ass", and "Suck butt" might be fine so what I suggest creating those and see what happens. I think you might have a good argument for those given the other examples. If they are speedy deleted, you can take it WP:DRV to contest the deletion where you will get other opinions. (As a side note, I will archive this discussion in a day or so because new editors come here and while Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED, I don't want to put new editors off from posting here.). S0091 (talk) 19:11, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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Request on 21:26:56, 21 May 2025 for assistance on AfC submission by AFNYC

Hi - thanks for your feedback. I included 5 external references, several of which discuss the museum in depth. Can you be more specific about why these don't qualify? The links to the museum website are only supplemental, to illustrate the items in the permanent collection and the museum's tax exempt status. Should I remove these entirely?

AFNYC (talk) 21:26, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @AFNYC in order for a source to contribute to notability it has to meet all four criteria linked in the decline: reliable, secondary, independent and have in-depth coverage directly about the subject. Visit NJ is not independent source because it's purpose s to promote businesses in the state and the profile was provided by the museum, thus also a primary source. Similar is true for Jersey Arts and Life in Sussex. Oh and I see you added an article by Broadway World but it is not considered a reliable source and the article is a press release so a primary source and not independent (and one of reason BW is not considered a reliable source. You can see one of the discussions about it here). S0091 (talk) 16:02, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. There are other articles in the works and I will add them. Should these references to the sources you cite here be removed entirely, or should they remain and more reliable sources be added?
Does each fact included about the museum need to be established with a citation from a reliable source? What would be considered a reliable source to verify the existence of the museum at all or its exhibits? AFNYC (talk) 19:29, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
@AFNYC most of them, yes. It is fine to use primary sources for very basic uncontroversial facts but best avoided. Think about this way, if independent reliable secondary sources do not find it important to write about then that is a clue it should not be included. As for the other sources you state are "in the works", to be clear, independence means intellectually independent. If a source is simply regurgitating what those involved state/have published, it is not independent nor secondary even if published by an otherwise reliable source. For example, if The New York Times publishes what is largely a Q&A interview, that's a primary non-independent source and only reliable to support what the person said. S0091 (talk) 20:14, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
just to be clear, when you say "most of them, yes", you are saying they should be removed? AFNYC (talk) 21:43, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
@AFNYC I suppose to make this simple, yes, remove all the sources along with the content supported by them and start over with only sources that meet the notability criteria. S0091 (talk) 21:53, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

Robert Seiden

Around a year ago you placed an undisclosed payments tag on Robert Seiden - I'm going to do what I can to improve the article and possible remove the tag. Do you recall specifically why it was added. Are there any specific sections that are problematic? Thank you. MaskedSinger (talk) 07:09, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @MaskedSinger the editor who created the draft was blocked as part of a UPE sock farm and I have no doubt the editor who later submitted it was also part of the same farm, though not blocked. I have no issue with you removing the tag once you go through the article and sources. One of the issues is the lead contains content not in the body and the article is likely a bit puffed up. S0091 (talk) 15:05, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
@S0091 Thanks for your reply. I'm going to go through this with a fine tooth comb and remove all puffery. And if it's ok with you, can I ask you to take a look at it before the tag is removed? MaskedSinger (talk) 16:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
@MaskedSinger don't worry about asking me before you remove the tag. Once you believe you have resolved any (most) issues, go ahead and remove it. I can give it once over afterwards if you want but I can't imagine a reason the tag would need to stay even if I thought there were remaining issues. Those are things that can be discussed as part of normal editing. S0091 (talk) 16:29, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
@S0091 Thank you. MaskedSinger (talk) 16:31, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

DRAFT: SKY WEE

Hi, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sky_Wee

can you let me know what am i missing? thank you Web3LFG EDUCATION (talk) 17:38, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Web3LFG EDUCATION, did you read Your first article? If not, you need to. If you have, please be specific about what you do not understand. S0091 (talk) 18:13, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

Recent articles declined by S009

Is there anything in particular that made you decline certain submissions? Could you kindly advise on how to improve them? 212.60.72.54 (talk) 17:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

My advise is to stop evading your block. S0091 (talk) 17:36, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Liyo123

Already filed an SPI for them. Likely to be blocked for 3RR in a minute anyways. CNMall41 (talk) 17:49, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Are you reporting them for 3RR as well? It's pretty egregious as they have now reverted three different editors and accused one of vandalism. S0091 (talk) 18:00, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Some weird shit on Liyo123's tp. One editor posts a blank message and so far can only sign their name even when asked what it is they were intending to say then another editor pretty much out of nowhere, who has not edited since 2023 and the last time they edited the article was back in 2022 leaving Liyo123 an edit warring notice. wtf. S0091 (talk) 18:38, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Request on 02:23:34, 24 May 2025 for assistance on AfC submission by Ozrockhistory

Hello again. - Thanks for the review and feedback. I note that Pichler meets these criteria as outlined in guidelines on the notability of music-related topics. 1: Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. 2: Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country. 3: Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable). 4: Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles. This should be adapted appropriately for musical genre; for example, having performed two lead roles at major opera houses. Note that this criterion needs to be interpreted with caution, as there have been instances where this criterion was cited in a circular manner to create a self-fulfilling notability loop (e.g., musicians who were "notable" only for having been in two bands, of which one or both were "notable" only because those musicians had been in them.) 5: Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. Would any of this help? Or any further suggestions on how to get his page published s oI can move on to the next one? Thank you and much appreciated. Mo

Ozrockhistory (talk) 02:23, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Ozrockhistory, see WP:NBANDMEMBER. Most of the criteria you list above applies to the bands, not him as an individual. In order for him to meet notability to support a stand-alone article, sources about him (not the bands) are needed that meet WP:GNG. None of the current sources cited meet that criteria. Please note an article did exist but was nominated for deletion back in December with the outcome to redirect it to The Bamboos (rock band) due to not meeting notability, see WP:Articles for deletion/Shakir Pichler. You would need to show new sources since December 2024 that meet WP:GNG. S0091 (talk) 14:32, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Hi @S0091 Thank you for the explanation.
There are so many WP abbreviations that I think it will take me years to get to the understanding of them all as you do!
Id like to add multiple entries of artists for our local indie music history and thought starting with this one would be easy as Shakir Pichler is so well known both locally and internationally. I guess the problem is that the releases etc are alternative music and not mainstream so that may make it more difficult.
For example, I'm sure you have never heard of him so I understand how he may appear irrelevant on face-value. But the fact that he played with members from The Clash, Rose Tattoo, One Wayt System and founded, managed and released sop many albums with so many bands over the years is quite an achievement. As far as collecting more refs, fact that some of the important releases and newspaper clippings are from the 80's so many are hard to track down today.
If you at all have a moment, would you have the time to look at the links I have added now to "Further reading & sources" section?
Some are actual scans of national newspaper stories that talk about him and are not interviews with him.
There are also a lot of international music magazine interviews with him as well as some news entries.
I'm hoping one or two of the links may stand out to you as worthy?
I would think that all of the evidence provided wholistically can show notability soon.
Thank you again for your time :)
Mo. Ozrockhistory (talk) 01:15, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
@Ozrockhistory no, I am not going to go through all those, nor is that the purpose of the Further reading section. Several sources were presented in the deletion discussion and it was determined none met the criteria. It's time to let it go. S0091 (talk) 16:32, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
that's the problem. You are happy to decline but not look at all the supporting evidence they uploaded? They are in further reading section for this edit to see what can be transferred to references. Do your job. 161.8.220.109 (talk) 22:56, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

My delete draft

Hi,

I’ve spoken with one of the live admins, and they agree that my article about Antoine Allen meets the notability criteria for a recognisable individual. I had also made the changes from the original article deletion- thus it was not the same article.

Antoine Allen is an established TV presenter and reporter, for ITV News, live events and radio. He is an award-winning journalist, having won the prestigious 2024 Sports Journalists’ Association (SJA) ‘Sport for Change’ Award — a highly respected accolade presented by the UK’s leading sports journalism body. Previous SJA award winners have come from organisations such as the BBC, Sky News, CNN, and ITV.

Antoine’s journalism has been widely cited by major UK publications, including The Mirror, The Sun, the Daily Mail, and others. Just one example here:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/peckham-protest-shopkeeper-says-regrets-30928173

He recently fronted a national news investigation into tool theft, which aired on both ITV News, ITVX and ITV London drawing significant public attention and discussion- quoted by an MP. His investigative work consistently holds power to account and shines a light on social injustice, making a real impact both on-screen and in the wider media landscape.

Importantly, Antoine has also been shortlisted for the Royal Television Society Awards — the most respected TV news awards in the UK — alongside other nominations at leading journalism awards. This further underlines his professional credibility and prominence in the field.

Given his body of work and public profile, it’s clear that Antoine Allen is a notable journalist and presenter. Restoring his page would not only reflect his achievements accurately but also help distinguish him from the American director of the same name

Antoine is also a Guiness world record holder- a fun fact I guess,

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/commercial/2013/6/business-show-visitors-break-records-with-hp-at-london-excel-centre-49320-53905

Here is more information about the award Antoine won.

https://connectsport.co.uk/news/itv-broadcaster-sport-change-award-biggest-achievement#:~:text=ITV%20News%20broadcaster%20Antoine%20Allen,be%20a%20conduit%20for%20change%E2%80%9D.

SJA - full list of winners

https://www.sportsjournalists.co.uk/sja-journalism-awards/2024-sja-british-sports-journalism-awards-winners/ Twontastic (talk) 17:34, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

@Twontastic I am not sure who you spoke with but you are welcome to tell them I have no issue with any experienced reviewer overriding my reject to accept the draft if they believe it meets notability. S0091 (talk) 17:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
They said, you would need to be the one to change your decision. And I should email you the links proving Allen's accolades Twontastic (talk) 08:32, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Regarding Draft:Gautam Kundu

Hi

I noticed that my new article draft on Gautam Kundu (submission S0091) was declined due to concerns about notability and WP:BLPCRIME. Thank you for your review!

I’ve since located several additional independent, reliable sources (for example, Enforcement Directorate press releases, multiple coverage in *The Economic Times*, *The Telegraph*, and *The Times of India*) that detail:

  • the scale of the fraud (over ₹15,000 cr raised; ED arrests and asset attachments)
  • involvement of political figures (Sudeep Bandyopadhyay, Tapas Paul) and film personalities (Shrikant Mohta)
  • ongoing legal proceedings and restitution efforts

Would it be preferable to incorporate these into the existing Rose Valley financial scandal article by expanding its sections on controversies and film ventures, rather than recreating a standalone page? Or do you think a new article still better serves Wikipedia’s WP:NOTABILITY and WP:CS requirements?

I appreciate any guidance you can offer on how best to proceed.

Thank you! BengalMC (talk) 12:17, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @BengalMC apologies, I did not realize an article about the scam already existed. I do think it makes more sense for the content about the scam and the public figures involved to be included in Rose Valley financial scandal. As for Gautam Kundu specifically, if he is notable for other things it could still make sense for a stand-alone article about him. For example, if he received media coverage before the scandal about his life and business ventures, then that make a strong argument for a stand-alone article. Does that make sense? S0091 (talk) 16:17, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
the only thing i have found other than the scam is that Gautam Kundu used to live a lavish life which is indicated from an article i found from Supercarsblondie where gautam kundu owned a Rolls-Royce Phantom VII BengalMC (talk) 16:24, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
@BengalMC I don't think that is enough but you are welcome are seek other opinions. You can post a note on the article's talk page to see if anyone responds there. Either way, I still suggest expanding the scandal article. S0091 (talk) 16:31, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Request for reconsideration: Draft:Alexandros Livitsanos

Dear S0091,

Thank you for your time in reviewing the draft article on Alexandros Livitsanos.

I respectfully request reconsideration. The draft contains over 35 inline citations to third-party, independent and reliable sources — including *Kathimerini*, *LiFO*, *Elculture*, *RTVE*, *Classic FM*, *Cineuropa*, *FilmInk*, the *International Trumpet Guild Journal*, and the *ITEA Journal*. It also documents performances by national and international ensembles and commissions by institutions such as the Athens State Orchestra and RTVE.

The article meets Wikipedia’s general notability guidelines and those for creative professionals. If specific improvements are needed, I would be grateful for your guidance.

With appreciation, –– Brass quintet 19:54, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Brass quintet did you use something to help you write the article? The reason I ask is because I have been reviewing drafts for some time and the only times I recall a draft being so ill-formatted to the point it is not readable is when someone has used chatgpt or some other program. As I have stated before, please read Your first article. In order for a source to meet the notability criteria it needs to meet all four criteria: reliable, independent, secondary and provide in-depth coverage about the subject. Being a "third party" sources does not mean it is independent, nor does it mean it meets all the other three criteria. S0091 (talk) 20:52, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply, and for taking the time to explain your perspective.
Yes, I did structure and edit the article with support, but all references were carefully selected and reviewed from verifiable, reliable third-party media. The intent was always to follow Wikipedia policy, not to circumvent it.
To clarify:
- *Kathimerini*, *LiFO*, *Elculture*, and *Zougla* are major Greek news outlets with full feature interviews or profiles about the subject.
- *RTVE* (Spain's national broadcaster) lists the subject as part of a broadcast concert and provides official programming notes.
- *Cineuropa* and *FilmInk* include the subject’s authorship in listings for an internationally screened film.
- *International Trumpet Guild Journal* and *ITEA Journal* have published reviews of a published composition.
- *Editions BIM* is a globally recognized classical music publisher, which has issued full score and reduction.
I understand not all sources meet notability requirements in isolation, but the draft includes **multiple independent, reliable, in-depth secondary sources**, as required by the GNG and WP:MUSICBIO.
If necessary, I’m happy to remove any source that does not meet the standard, or restructure the article for clarity.
Thank you again for your attention.
–– Brass quintet 05:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
@Brass quintet I looked at four sources, BIM is a publisher so not an independent source, LIFO is about Manos Loizos, not Livitsanos and they are simply publishing notes by the musicians performing "META", which is a primary source and not independent, Kathimerini is a Q&A interview so also a primary source and not independent, same for iefimerdia. Some of the other ones are listings which are not in-depth coverage and programs are primary sources so not useful for notability.. It is unclear if the journals by International Trumpet Guild and ITEA are independent sources but if they are covering their members, then independence is questionable. S0091 (talk) 15:31, 27 May 2025 (UTC).

Request on 14:20:59, 27 May 2025 for assistance on AfC submission by Dominic Trabosci

Hi there!

Thanks for helping me with the edits to the Phoebe Ministries Wikipedia page. I made some edits to the article, but wanted to get your opinion before I resubmit. Check out the updates section for my rationale on my changes. I'm hoping we can work together to get this article up.

Thank you.

Dominic Trabosci (talk) 14:20, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

@Dominic Trabosci go ahead and resubmit it and another reviewer will take a look. I find it best to have another set of eyes. S0091 (talk) 15:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @S0091, hope you're doing well!

I noticed that the link of my article Huseydin Mohamed Esa redirects via a disambiguation page. The prefix "Huseydin" was added, but it should point directly to Mohamed Esa.

Could you help? Thanks! Wieditor25 (talk) 14:54, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Wieditor25 I don't quite follow. Are you saying the title of the article should be Mohamed Esa instead of Huseydin Mohamed Esa? If so, you can simply move it to Mohamed Esa. See WP:MOVE for instructions. Doing so will create a redirect from Huseydin Mohamed Esa to Mohamed Esa so both will be a valid link. S0091 (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your quick response and helpful tip! Yes, it should be Mohamed Esa. Not sure how a random prefix was added. I've now moved the page as you suggested. Wieditor25 (talk) 16:27, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
@Wieditor25 another tip using Mohamed Esa as an example. Say you did create it as Mohamed Esa but he is sometimes referred to as Huseydin Mohamed Esa (which I am assuming is the case here). You can manually create a WP:redirect so if someone searches for or links Huseydin Mohamed Esa it redirects them to Mohamed Esa. S0091 (talk) 17:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
Yes, that was the case. If it happens again, I'll use this approach to fix it. Thanks again! Wieditor25 (talk) 00:59, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Cloudian

Hello, I have made multiple revisions based on your feedback. The Forbes references are eliminated. I have added three analyst references. I have also attempted to make the tone as editorial as possible. Any further specific guidance would be very much appreciated!! Jftoor (talk) 21:31, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

@Jftoor the decline was for two reasons, not meeting notability and the tone. You may have addressed one but did nothing to address the other. None of the sources cited are useful from a notability perspective which indicates you did not bother to read all of the information provided, yet you are paid while I am a volunteer. Do your homework. S0091 (talk) 21:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Re: Draft:2030 in public domain declination

I got your rejection notice for this draft article, and have just attempted to correct it in the best way that would be possible at this time. The article's verifiability and general quality are no different than similar, pre-existing articles for earlier years (2026, 2027, 2028, and 2029), and it seems to have carried over these problems from there. Only a mere two hours (approximately) since you issued the notice, I resolved the issue with the citation in not only the rejected article for 2030, but all of the earlier years' articles as well. The article currently has multiple citations instead of just one, if only for the laws; but that should be enough to satisfy for the time being. The verification of whether the U.S. PD entrants listed are works from 1934 and their copyright status is currently valid, and whether the authors listed in the tables for other countries died in 1959 and 1979, is best left to our articles on the subjects themselves.

Furthermore, the window for what upcoming entrants into the American and international public domain should be listed on Wikipedia is currently set at 5 years maximum, as stated on the talk page for 2026's article, and the draftified article satisfies this. -- Seth Allen (talk) 03:01, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @SethAllen623 you are welcome to resubmit the draft with your improvements and another reviewer will take a look. I find it best to get another pair of eyes. The other option is moving it mainspace yourself as there is no need for you to go through AfC. S0091 (talk) 14:44, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
Hi @SethAllen623 I see you did a copy/paste from the draft to mainspace, which is likely fine in this instance but the easier and preferred method is to do a WP:MOVE (see instructions on this page). S0091 (talk) 19:17, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

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Do you think the employee handbook for that one sock farm includes "make at least one edit to Darwin Del Fabro?" (Hello, hope you're well!) JSFarman (talk) 04:40, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

@JSFarman Lol! It seems so. Del Fabro clearly paid for the "maintenance package". S0091 (talk) 14:50, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
Between the regular socks and the dubious LLM editors (who also respond to discussions with obsequious or righteous LLM-generated text) patroling has become simultaneously soul-crushing and kinda funny. JSFarman (talk) 18:53, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
It's more soul crushing than funny but being able to laugh here and there is helpful. For a few months I did not edit much in part because of all bullshit but became "active" again a couple months ago, back to focusing on AfC. After a couple weeks or so of reviewing, my watchlist lights up with sock blocks of editors who created drafts that I reviewed. One after another, after another, after another and it continues. You know, I am not sure the WMF even knows the impact UPE has on the community (LLM is another mess) but I have thought it about a lot....just not sure what I can do and I am not a CU or understand what could be done (if anything). I just know, to me, it is a serious problem and I am fucking tired of it. S0091 (talk) 19:40, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Chad W. Post (draft declined, request for advice)

Dear S0091, Thank you for your consideration of the draft article for publisher Chad W. Post. Your comment on the draft states "Also, the Associated awards appear to be about his publishing company rather than him so not helpful." The draft included awards awarded specifically to Chad W. Post (under Awards), as well as Associated Awards. The idea behind "Associated Awards" is that these are awards for books published by Chad W. Post at Open Letter Books—–awards that he is "associated" with. I believe it is relevant and helpful information, as the awards these books won reflect on Chad W. Post as publisher and internationally-known publishing professional, and on his publishing house.

Is there a better way to connect these associated awards to Chad W. Post? Or would you advise deleting this from the draft entirely? Thank you in advance! 140.106.37.94 (talk) 16:02, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi IP, the article is about Post, the person, not his company so a list of awards for the company is WP:UNDUE. You can include them at Open Letter Books though. S0091 (talk) 16:14, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
Thank you! 140.106.37.94 (talk) 17:02, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Draft: Muharrem Aslan

Hi, Two prestige newspapers recently interviewed with the artist Draft: Muharrem Aslan. Here are the links 1- https://www.birgun.net/haber/anadolunun-sesi-623375 and 2- https://www.haber7.com/guncel/haber/3521132-herkesin-dilinde-olan-sarkinin-hikayesini-ilk-defa-anlatti I can do adjustment that align with the interview. Could you check and let me know please? thank you.

Interviews are primary sources so not helpful for establishing notability. S0091 (talk) 16:09, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Draft:War 2 (2025)

Why is it not considered to meet WP:NFILM? It's a tentpole, at least from an Indian perspective, and is comparable to the MCU films. CNMall41, we have trouble here. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:24, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

@Kailash29792:, I am starting to feel your pain at this point which is why I removed myself from reviewing the draft. My concern (as it has always been) has been the bludgeoning. The film did NOT meet WP:NFF in the beginning but it may now. I have not reviewed the references in a while so I have no objection to the move to mainspace. I will not nominate for deletion or move back to draft as it is so close to release. --CNMall41 (talk) 15:43, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
I focused mainly on the production section and many of sources read like gossip to me with things like "according to a source" or "report" or some other publication, many by Entertainment Desk or the like so weak for notability, Pinkvilla is also weak (and by the same author), some are statements about what those involved are planning to do, etc. However, like CNM, I have no issue if you move it mainspace. S0091 (talk) 15:59, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
@CNMall41 on another note, looks like we have another Shivangi Joshi sock. S0091 (talk) 16:02, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
They are back in full swing as I am filing on this at the moment. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:42, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
@CNMall41 don't know if you noticed but Joshi is now indef ECP, though I requested temp. I made same request for Mahesh Bhatt but that one was declined by the same admin. Looking back, it's not bad as Joshi but if it keeps up I will make another request. S0091 (talk) 19:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
Thanks, I saw that. I have everyone from the Bhatt family watchlisted. It is clear that the SCOT farm is connected (I am guessing WP:PAID). --CNMall41 (talk) 21:47, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
@Kailash29792 I started to re-review the draft again starting with the filming section but I am finding the cited sources do not support the content and/or the sources are not stating things as fact so fails verifiability. Some it may have happened during cleanup efforts where sources may have been removed or shifted around. Can you go through the Filming section and clean it up? Also, I noticed with Hrithik Roshan's injury one source says back, another leg but then another knee. Leg and knee are close enough but back is way off (this TOI source used for other claims says back and almost everything is "according a report", this Hindu article not used says knee). This emphasizes my concern about poor sourcing and with some content based on unconfirmed gossip. S0091 (talk) 17:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi S0091, thanks for reviewing both the Conversational AI and Voice-First AI drafts.

I saw your comment suggesting that these topics might be better handled as sections of the Chatbot page. I completely understand that perspective, especially given how broad that page is already.

My thinking was that “Conversational AI” includes a growing range of voice-first, multimodal, and ambient interfaces that go beyond traditional chatbots. Voice-First AI, in particular, is being used in environments like transit help points, public safety systems, and accessibility tech—often without a screen or text input at all.

That said, I realize the drafts need stronger sourcing to justify separate articles. I’m currently working on adding independent, in-depth, and reliable references to both pages. Would you be open to reviewing an improved version soon, or possibly advising whether merging into Chatbot is the best next step?

I want to contribute in a way that fits well with Wikipedia’s standards, and your feedback has been really helpful so far.

Thanks again,

—User:ArturoFalck ArturoFalck (talk) 17:30, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

@ArturoFalck the Chatbot article is horrible because there are no dedicated editors monitoring/updating it. While there is WP:WikiProject Artificial intelligence, it does not appear to be very active unfortunately. The other problem is the decision to merge/split an existing article, which is what would need to happen, is not up to you or me, but needs to be decided by a broader group of editors for a topic like this. Also, I am not particularly knowledgeable or interested, from a Wikipedia editor perspective, in the topic area. For now, as far as the draft, you want to use books or peer-reviewed reputable journals/publishers by authors who are recognized as the leading authorities in the field (highly cited works). Forget what you know (see WP:SME) and simply summarize what those sources state. Get good foundation down but do not submit the draft for review. You can use the draft's talk page to make notes about what would need to be merged/split from other articles (there's also Conversational user interface and likely other articles). I am going to try to find an experienced editor who is willing to guide you but that might take some time. S0091 (talk) 18:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
Thanks so much for this thoughtful reply and for looking into finding a more topic-aligned editor. I’ll follow your guidance closely and hold off on resubmitting until the sourcing is rock-solid. Really appreciate the direction, and I’ll leave merge/split notes on the draft talk pages as you suggested. ArturoFalck (talk) 14:29, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Hi again, @S0091— I just wanted to thank you again for the helpful guidance you gave me earlier. I’ve followed your advice:
  • I haven’t resubmitted the drafts.
  • I’ve focused on strengthening the structure and clarified that my goal isn’t to split everything out right away, but to build a solid foundation for eventually organizing the content more clearly — with *Conversational AI* as the broader topic, and *Chatbot* and *Voice-First AI* as subarticles.
  • I’ve added merge/split notes on the Talk pages of both drafts and reached out to relevant WikiProjects for feedback.
I’m continuing to improve the sourcing with academic material and trying to take my time. If you happen to have a moment to glance at the drafts or their Talk pages again—or know someone who’s more topic-aligned who might be interested—I’d really appreciate it.
No pressure at all. I just wanted to share where things stand and say thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.
—ArturoFalck ArturoFalck (talk) 16:29, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
@ArturoFalck Good, glad you posted at some WikiProjects. You might want to take at look at Large language model, which is fairly recent article created in 2023, to get some ideas about structuring. @Cosmia Nebula you have contributed quite a bit to LLM according to page stats. Arturo is a new editor working on two drafts, Draft:Conversational AI and Draft:Voice-First AI. Both have been declined, in part due to poor sourcing but they are working on that. Because Draft:Conversational AI would likely impact at least Chatbot with content being split/merged, assuming Conversational AI is indeed the broader topic, I was hoping to get an experienced editor to help guide him. Would you be interested or know who might or where the best place to go to find someone who might help? S0091 (talk) 17:32, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Hi @Cosmia Nebula — just circling back on this in case it got buried. I really appreciate that @S0091 looped you in — no pressure at all, but I’d love to hear any thoughts you might have on the Draft:Conversational AI or Draft:Voice-First AI pages, especially whether they could eventually help clarify or complement related content in Chatbot or Conversational user interface.
I’m holding off on resubmitting either draft and focusing instead on sourcing and structure — trying to lay a stronger foundation for eventual integration, whether as new articles or as sections of existing ones. Any guidance you could offer (or just a quick impression) would mean a lot.
Thanks so much!
— ArturoFalck (talk) ArturoFalck (talk) 17:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
It is pretty clear that you got an LLM to write them. I am pretty sure what you did is to get a draft from Claude and then asked Gemini to insert references. The obvious tell is that most of the citations are SEO trash. Gemini, like Google, is extremely susceptible to citing SEO trash. There are also some obvious tells in the style which are very indicative of Claude.
It is fine to use LLM to hash out a draft but you should carefully review and edit it, and especially add actually good citations to it. Unless you do the editing to eliminate the numerous weasel words, empty talk, and other LLM-style fillers, and insert actually good citations, I will always vote down the draft.
Hint: try to read through Jurafsky, Dan, and James H. Martin. Speech and Language Processing: An Introduction to Natural Language Processing, Computational Linguistics and Speech Recognition. 3rd ed., 2023."CHAPTER 15: CHATBOTS & DIALOGUE SYSTEMS". After that you will be in a much better position to actually write the article on Conversational AI. However, ponially I think there is no difference between Conversational AI and Chatbot, so I would recommend that you try to clean up and add to the Chatbot page. It is in a bad shape currently since it has accumulated lots of crud without an editor who really tried to clear up the crud and bring it up to date.pony in a strange land (talk) 19:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
Hi @Cosmia Nebula (aka. pony in a strange land)...
Thanks for taking the time to look at those drafts and for calling this out.
You’re right — I used ChatGPT early on to get started, particularly because I am a new editor and didn't know how the community works... plus it seems fitting to have a Chatbot help edit an article about Chatbots. It was helpful for organizing the initial structure, but I understand how relying on it too much (especially without strong editing) led to filler and poor-quality citations. I'll do better... I'm learning.
I’ll revise the drafts after reading Chapter 15 of Jurafsky & Martin. I’m glad to see that you agree with the underlying problem that I am trying to fix, which is that the Chatbot page is bad.
I'll start this effort again by proposing edits to the Chatbot page and hope that you will continue to help me.
Again... I am new here so what is the correct etiquete: Delete the draft pages for Draft:Conversational AI and Draft:Voice-First AI?
Also... it seems weird to me to be having this discussion in someone else's talk page... should we move it to the talk page for Chatbot?
One last thing: I'm sorry for taking so long to respond. I have a full-time job. How quickly do people expect replies in talk pages?
—[[User:ArturoFalck|ArturoFalck]] ArturoFalck (talk) 14:10, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
@ArturoFalck as for the drafts, they will be deleted as abandoned in six months after the last human edit so no harm in leaving them be but if you want them deleted sooner you can place {{Db-author}} at the top. Also everyone here are volunteers with real lives outside of Wikipedia so there are no deadlines . If you know ahead of time it will be some time before you can respond, just say so but everyone understands things happen and real life comes before Wikipedia. S0091 (talk) 15:02, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for the coaching @S0091. ArturoFalck (talk) 15:05, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
There is no deadline about replying, though if you delay the reply for long enough, the talk might get archived and then you can't reply to it anymore. Then you would have to make a new thread about it.
We also apologize for being rude in the first reply. We will make up for it by providing some more good references, arranged in time ordering to provide a good historical progress. There are roughly 4 periods of chatbots: before 1990s (before the Internet, mostly logical GOFAI), 1990s -- 2010 (after Internet, before deep learning, a combination of GOFAI and basic statistical learning on large datasets), 2010--2022 (after deep learning, before ChatGPT, in transition to pure neural network systems), 2022-- (after ChatGPT, the entire previous tech stack is thrown away, leaving a single neural network connected to datasets and websearch through plaintext).
  • Parsing the Turing test (2009): an edited volume of papers about passing the Turing test. This is squarely in the 2nd period.
  • Speech and Language Processing: An Introduction to Natural Language Processing, Computational Linguistics and Speech Recognition. 3rd ed., 2023, Chapter 15. This roughly corresponds to the 3rd period.
  • There is not much technical to write about in the 4th period, because it's basically a solved problem after ChatGPT. There is some sociological writing about it, however. Some interesting links appear on r/MediaSynthesis.
There are also books that describe it from the practical POV. I think this may be good, but did not read:
  • Shevat, Amir. Designing bots: Creating conversational experiences. " O'Reilly Media, Inc.", 2017. Despite being in the 3rd period, it mostly describes building it with techniques in the 2nd period.
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Water Pillow

Hi thank you for all the feed back, I couldn't completely understand what I was doing wrong and you made everything extremely clear and I honestly appreciate that very much. I believe I made all the correct changes and I think the article looks good and would be a good addition to wiki. If you can look at it again I would be very grateful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellanogabard (talk • contribs) 19:31, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

@Ellanogabard I am going to leave it to another reviewer because I am honestly on the fence and there is a backlog drive going on so it should not long to get another review. I do have to ask though, are you in any way affiliated with Mediflow? S0091 (talk) 20:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
Yes I am the daughter of the inventor of the water pillow. I am an engineering student and I thought it would be a fun opportunity to work on my formal writing by creating a Wiki article.
I’ve done my best to follow Wikipedia’s guidelines on neutrality and verifiability, and I’ve worked to focus on water pillows as a general product category supported by reliable, independent sources. Ellanogabard (talk) 20:36, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
@Ellanogabard it smells of WP:conflict of interest, thus the reason I asked and likely why the draft keeps being declined. You don't see it because you are involved but it is obvious to reviewers. I don't think you can fix it because you think you have written a neutral draft but you haven't. I will leave you a note on your talk page about have having a COI so you are aware of the guidelines which includes declaring you have a COI. S0091 (talk) 20:46, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

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Why decline my article? I added the secondary sources that you all begged for. Approve my article. 2601:85:4600:FAE0:ADF5:7898:89C6:7AAD (talk) 21:35, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

Draft:SKisM and WP:CITEKILL

Hi there.

I wanted to ask about the status of one of my submitted drafts: Draft:SKisM. I've made attempts to address WP:CITEKILL by combining 2-3 references into one citation, and I wonder if it's good enough so that either you or an admin can remove the pop-up.

Thank you. Leewilliam236 (talk) 01:25, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Leewilliam236, it is pending review and there is a backlog drive right now so it should not long. You can remove the Excessive citations tag if you want. S0091 (talk) 14:24, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

List of Muslims from Hindustan

I'm not saying you were wrong to accept it. Where is it going, though? And what are the inclusion criteria? 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 20:04, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

It's a list so clear as mud. They were asked for sources that have written about the topic as a group and they provided sources. I don't have access to them and likely other reviewers do not either so WP:AGF. Of course if you disagree, no issue with you moving it back to draft or taking it to AfD. S0091 (talk) 20:48, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Brandon_Chukwuka ( feedback / disagreement )

Hey there, I was hoping to touch base regarding my Wikipedia submission and get feedback on why you felt the references weren’t sufficient. I’ve included multiple citations from news articles and media coverage, and the subject has live products managing significant capital from hundreds of users. I’d really appreciate it if you could reassess. Thank you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Brandon_Chukwuka Zartsnarf (talk) 21:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

Arun Pradeep

This causes a concern with this. Also raises red flags with the edit history of the main page although I don't have quite enough to take the latter to SPI. CNMall41 (talk) 20:05, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

Yep. I haven't participated in AfD in a while but with the AfC backlog drive going on thought it good time to do so and I'm finding it exhausting. S0091 (talk) 20:14, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
@CNMall41 you might be interested in WT:AFC#Eliminating AfC/C and AfC/R. S0091 (talk) 14:41, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
SCOT farm has been requesting redirects and then removing them to create pages several months later (sometimes within weeks) in order to avoid NPP. Pointed it out previously and there are still some active accounts doing it but no one has seemed to care. Some of the accounts doing it have been blocked so they have taken to AFC/R. They also show up in request for undeletion and work on drafts of previous G5s. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Draft:NeoBards Entertainment

Hello S0091 Thank you for your feedback. I have revised the content and added new references. Please kindly re-review the article. There are also some good sources in Chinese and Korean. Would you suggest that they be included as well? BradOdis (talk) 02:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

I have also added sources in Chinese. The coverage is quite in-depth. BradOdis (talk) 02:45, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
Hi @BradOdis, you have submitted it so a reviewer will take look. It should not take long as there is backlog drive going on. S0091 (talk) 14:22, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello S0091, I have revised the content and added references that I believe meet the criteria as good sources. I have also looked up other game companies' Wikipedia pages as references. The draft still got declined without specific comments on which parts require revisions. Would really appreciate it if you could help take a look. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BradOdis (talk • contribs) 01:25, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

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About jaspal singh atwal

Please help us complete Wikipedia Jaspal Singh Atwal draft. How we can improve Thank you. Rammehar1313 (talk) 17:36, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

I saw you many years experience so help to improve jaspal singh atwal page draft Rammehar1313 (talk) 17:51, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Draft Jaspal Singh atwal

Thanks for helping us for protect draft Rammehar1313 (talk) 18:31, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Who is "us"? S0091 (talk) 18:35, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
He is singer Rammehar1313 (talk) 18:40, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Redirects

I must have the reputation as a grouch, but I'm usually down for a redirect or merge. Bearian (talk) 20:36, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

@Bearian oh, I don't think you are a grouch at all! Blunt at times maybe but I don't see how anyone can edit here for any extended period of time and not be blunt on occasion (or a grouch for that matter). S0091 (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Please reconsider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Scott_W._Colburn

Hello, your last comment on this draft was actually incorrect. Scott Colburn is not on the staff of Front of House Magazine. He was being written about by the staff of the magazine for his work with KEXP, BUT I understand the point you were making about the difference between primary and secondary sources. I took this to heart and converted citations to secondary sources for the most part. I also linked to the numerous wiki pages that mention or talk about this subject. I did these as links since wiki pages can't be used for citations.

I'm hoping that this is now formatted correctly and will qualify for publication. Please consider this draft for publication. Thanks in advance CestMoiJ (talk) 18:55, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Sorry @CestMoiJ but that will not be considered as the reviewer S0091 is correct in rejecting the draft. As you did not improve the citations which creates hurdles in verifying the subject, we have the discretion to decline or reject the draft. Unless we see there is some drastic change from a long time, the decision won't change. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️(😐 ● 🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔) 04:02, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
The citations were drastically changed. CestMoiJ (talk) 23:49, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I realize now that you were talking about the form that the page was in when rejected. I did make significant changes since the rejection. Can these changes not be approved from a rejected draft and do I need to start a new draft to have these changes approved? CestMoiJ (talk) 00:47, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
@CestMoiJ the sources you added are either not reliable (IMDB, Discogs), only brief mentions or interviews (The Stranger) none of which help establish notability as Wikipedia defines it. And do not create another draft as that will be seen as trying circumvent the reject and likely will result in you being blocked (not being mean but that is generally what happens and don't want see that happen to you). S0091 (talk) 19:15, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
Well, I guess I don't know what wikipedia wants then as the guidelines seem to be applied randomly. When I compare Scott's peers in recording the post grunge Seattle music scene, his peers have wiki entries with far less independent sources. I didn't include in depth interviews or passing mentions as they are primary sources and I was instructed to have more independent secondary than primary, yet it seems that this is OK for others. Even one of the labels that Scott worked for only has a single citation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Martine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Dunn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Feveyear
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Sangster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenant_Records CestMoiJ (talk) 00:07, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
Hi @CestMoiJ oh yeah, you will see tons of articles that do meet today's guidelines because the guidelines have changed over time and even today new articles get by when they should not (see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). Looking at the first one in your list and the label, both were created back in 2006 and note both are tagged with issues. Existing articles are deleted daily because they do not meet the guidelines. I get that is frustrating, especially for new editors trying to figure what is acceptable so best to look at articles that have met the Good article criteria. S0091 (talk) 15:19, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
They always do fustrating. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️(😐 ● 🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔) 02:34, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

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draft:VWO

Hi S0091, I have a question. We are trying to get an article up for the company VWO. As it is, I have it set up as a software article, but the company would like the article to be for the company and not its software. Currently the article is listed draft:VWO (software). To switch over from software, what would be our best option? To simply discard this draft and begin a new one or can this be converted to non-software? (AS I have disclosed in several places, I am being paid by the company VWO to do their article. The company is certainly notable, but it is based in India and so there is a paucity of credible, independent English-language articles about it.)

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Hi @SFGMary start a new draft but I will tell you an article about Wingify has been previously deleted four or five times. It looks like the last time was in 2020 per consensus at WP:Articles for deletion/Wingify. Read WP:NCORP from top to bottom so you know what type of sources are acceptable and which ones to avoid. You can use non-English sources but English sources are generally plentiful for contemporary Indian topics but also be aware of WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Also, since you are paid you need to make the more specific WP:COIPAYDISCLOSE disclosure. Do that on your User page, not your talk page (click your User name which is now red but will turn blue once create the page is created). S0091 (talk) 15:53, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
Thank you S0091. I will do my best with what is out there. They want to keep trying, but I will pass on what you've told me. SFGMary (talk) 18:41, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
@SFGMary also read and pass along WP:BOSS. What they want you say and the sources they want you to use will most likely be inappropriate in the same way Draft:VWO (software) is entirely inappropriate as an encyclopedia article in so many ways. S0091 (talk) 19:53, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
I realize that now. I actually tempered quite a bit of what they had in the write up they gave me initially, & I believe I have a good grasp of the proper tone & content to use on Wikipedia (see my Gypsy Horse & Christopher Reddy articles). I have advised them, but they want me to keep trying. I probably should not have accepted the job. We will see where this goes. Interestingly, I was just approached by still another Indian company wanting me to do an article; I declined it based on my experience with VWO. Like it, there were no sources out there for it. I will know from now on. SFGMary (talk) 20:07, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
I should add, I have been contracted to do this--VWO isn't my employer, but rather my client. So, if they want me to keep trying, I'm sort of obligated. The new version will be very clipped though. Aside from founding, a couple of acquisitions, and maybe a small bit on the software, there isn't much else to report. SFGMary (talk) 20:35, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
@SFGMary I understand they are your client but WP:BOSS still applies as you are acting as an extension of them. And yes, I agree you should not have taken this job but no, you are not obligated. I did do a search for sources before I responded and based on what I found an article about Wingify is unlikely to meet notability. If this line of work is what you want to pursue, managing expectations is part of the job. S0091 (talk) 20:48, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
Yes, you are right. They may come back with another freelancer though. They are determined. SFGMary (talk) 21:39, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

charlie handsome

Hi, I am confused why you keep deleting our edits to charlie handsome's credits on his page. Charlie is our client and requested that we make these edits on his behalf. 160.33.110.53 (talk) 19:25, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

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