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Tech News: 2025-21

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Weekly highlight

  • The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: Peacock check. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

Updates for editors

  • From May 20, 2025, oversighters and checkusers will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. Learn more.
  • Wishlist item Multiblocks will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please contact the team if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to Special:Block?usecodex=1, and can test the full multiblocks functionality on testwiki. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the help page for more information. [1]
  • Later this week, the Special:SpecialPages listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been redesigned to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be previewed at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [2]
  • The Chart extension is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the deployment timeline.
  • Wikifunctions will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: Hausa, Igbo, Bengali, Malayalam, and Dhivehi/Maldivian. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call functions from Wikifunctions and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of a stable and global function, rather than via a local template.
  • Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for experiments. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement understand new users, how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are generated video, the Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game and the Discord bot.
  • Recurrent item View all 29 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [3]

Updates for technical contributors

  • Gadgets and user scripts that interact with Special:Block may need to be updated to work with the new manage blocks interface. Please review the developer guide for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the talk page. [4]
  • The mw.title object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the Lua programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named isDisambiguationPage. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [5]
  • Advanced item User script developers can use a new reverse proxy tool to load javascript and css from gitlab.wikimedia.org with mw.loader.load. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on gitlab.wikimedia.org without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech for more information.
  • Recurrent item Detailed code updates later this week: MediaWiki

Meetings and events

  • The 12th edition of Wiki Workshop 2025, a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can register now.

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:10, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Language tags

Hi, any reason for removing language tags from references, for example here [6] ? cagliost (talk) 21:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Compare:
{{cite book |title=Example |language=en }}
Example.
{{cite book |title=Example }}
Example.
{{cite book |title=Example |language=fr }}
Example (in French).
It's written somewhere (MOS, possibly) that English and its variants (such as en-GB) should not be stated in that parameter, but I can't put my hand on the link at the moment. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:04, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
Thanks. I see it is implied by "Template:Cite news", which states the language tag is to be used to cite foreign language sources. By implication, it is not necessary for English-language sources. cagliost (talk) 15:02, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
From the documentation at {{Cite web}} and other citation templates: Because cs1|2 templates are often copied from en.wiki to other wikis, the use of language codes is preferred so that language names render in the correct language and form, e.g. espagnol at a French-language wiki instead of the English word "Spanish". Leaving |language=en in place, even though it does not display anything, is considered helpful to editors who translate articles for Wikipedias in other languages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:04, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

What is the meaning of "WS" ?

Hello ! I read one of your edit and I'd like to know if WS = Whitespace.

I'd like to know what is the problem and if you consider that I did acted acted in violation of a "policy" or a "guideline".

I don't understand what is wrong with my edit and I try to understand what is the mistake. Anatole-berthe (talk) 21:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Yes, "whitespace". You don't need to put double line-breaks between each part of an indented comment. Note that no-one else on the page - or any other - does so. This is particularly important on The Teahouse, where we need to demonstrate to new editors the right way to do things. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:36, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Thanks you for your answer but there are something that I didn't understood.
Is this wrote somewhere we should not do this or this is a non-written custom ? Anatole-berthe (talk) 00:52, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
It's the community norm.
Conversely, where is it written that you should do it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:05, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
Now , I did understood that this is not written somewhere because this is a "community norm".
When I said "non-written custom" , I was referring to the term "community norm".
Thanks for your time and yours explanations ! Anatole-berthe (talk) 10:13, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Wrong template

Just to mention your use of wrong template created a bit of a mess, which I've fixed! Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:51, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. The perils of editing on mobile! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

Request for follow-up on Muhammad Aman Ullah (activist) draft

Hello Andy,

Thank you again for your earlier guidance and support with my draft: Draft:Muhammad Aman Ullah (activist). I’ve done my best to follow all recommendations and have added inline citations, disclosed my conflict of interest, and submitted through Articles for Creation.

The draft was unfortunately declined with the explanation that the sources do not show “significant coverage.” I understand this is a common hurdle for biographies, but I wanted to respectfully ask:

In your editorial judgment, do you believe the draft currently meets notability, or is there anything more I should improve before resubmitting?

I would be sincerely grateful for any further thoughts or support you can offer.

With respect, Muhammad Aman Ullah (M.A.U-Mr.Human) M.A.U-Mr.Human (talk) 02:07, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

I agree with the reviewer. The question you need to ask yourself before resubmitting is "which two (or preferably three) sources show significant coverage of the subject in an independent, reliable source. Significant coverage must be in depth, and about the subject; not something with which they are merely associated. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:35, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Tech News: 2025-22

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Weekly highlight

  • A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of Abstract Wikipedia is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content, and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

Updates for editors

  • Since last week, on all wikis except the largest 20, people using the mobile visual editor will have additional tools in the menu bar, accessed using the new + toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is scheduled to happen in June.
  • Advanced item The #ifexist parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of Special:WantedPages, which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [7]
  • This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch a new filter to Recent Changes, starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
  • Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. Learn more.
  • Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, WikiGames, a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
  • The Newsletter extension that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of various newsletters for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [8]
  • Recurrent item View all 32 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.

Updates for technical contributors

Meetings and events

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Nomination of Amrapali Gan for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Amrapali Gan is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amrapali Gan until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

30Four (talk) 07:27, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #681

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata in the
week leading up to 2025-05-27. Missed the previous one? See issue #680.
Help with Translations.

Discussions

Events

Press, articles, blog posts, videos

Tool of the week

  • Wikidata Toolkit The Wikidata Toolkit is an open-source Java library for using data from Wikidata and other Wikibase sites. Its main goal is to make it easy for external developers to take advantage of this data in their own applications.

Other Noteworthy Stuff

  • A discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of Abstract Wikipedia is now open: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Some of the hypothesis involve Wikidata. You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content.

Newest properties and property proposals to review

You can comment on all open property proposals!

Did you know?

Weekly Tasks

This Month in Education: May 2025

This Month in Education

Volume 14 • Issue 5 • May 2025

In This Issue

Royal tour

You dont just remove a template because you dont like it. Persisting in doing so can get you blocked. See Help:Maintenance template removal Wellington Bay (talk) 11:41, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Lol. Nice try. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:41, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Your fork of my essay

I object to your fork of User:RoySmith/Three best sources to Wikipedia:Three best sources. For sure, the CC-BY-SA license which covers my essay gives you the legal right to do that, but what you've done will just lead to confusion and, to be honest, is disrespectful. If you want to write your own essay, please go ahead and do so. Other people have done so (see, for example, Wikipedia:Multiple sources) but please don't just copy my words and use the same title. RoySmith (talk) 12:37, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

If you don't want your text to be reused, don't use an open licence. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:43, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Three best sources RoySmith (talk) 12:17, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

User:Qwertyytrewqqwerty/DisamAssist

Hi. I was asking about why User:Qwertyytrewqqwerty/DisamAssist coding wasn't working. It appears I would have to bypass my cache. I'm not going to worry about using DisamAssist. Sorry about that. Cwater1 (talk) 19:10, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Wh67890

I am here because this won't make a good scene there.

Assume good faith, what do you mean by good faith? The guy is asking to write an article related to his profile, which is not just non-notable but also contains unreliable files. I am assuming a good faith but that does not mean I am not supposed to tell him the facts. Also some of us will target the same guy when he will make the mistake on creating the page. I am doing him favor to stop him by making his day bad because he has not got enough resources to create an article. cut the snark Probably that feels snark, probably what I just wrote there is full of snarky ideas instead of a soft warning. As I said, what I wrote was mere information, which could feel snark (wonder how you guessed that), and it depends on if you read it carefully or think it as snark. Again, have a good day! Wh67890 (talk) 10:45, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

I provided a link in my original comment. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:48, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
You mean link to WP:Assume good faith? Well I have good understanding on it, But neither of that are reliable in this case because he is stepping in the wild fire, I am supposed to tell him how to walk there, Walking in fire is not a good faith, it need certain kind of skill, being a Wikipedian requires ability to understand this and that or you will target the same guy when he will make the mistake. I am telling this from my own experiences. Have another good day! Wh67890 (talk) 10:52, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
None of this excuses your tone on The Teahouse. You will either moderate it, or end up with blocks. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:01, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
Pardon me, why should I excuse you? Wh67890 (talk) 12:16, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Alan Yentob

On 28 May 2025, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Alan Yentob, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 23:34, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Women in Red June 2025

Women in Red | June 2025, Vol 11, Issue 6, Nos. 326, 327, 339, 340


Online events:

Announcements:

  • Who are the most overlooked and interesting Women in Red? We've no idea,
    but we're putting together our list of the 100 most interesting ex-Women in Red.
    We are creating the list to celebrate 10 years of Women in Red and we hope to present it at Wikimania.
    We are ignoring the obvious, so do you have a name or subject we should consider?
    Can you suggest a DYK style hook?
    If you are shy about editing that page, you are welcome to add ideas and comments on the talk page.
  • The World Destubathon, 16 June - 13 July, 2025

Progress ("moving the needle"):

  • Statistics available via Humaniki tool. Thank you if you contributed one or more of the 1,492 articles during this period!
  • 19 May 2025: 20.114% of EN-WP biographies are about women (2,066,280; 415,618 women)
  • 21 Apr 2025: 20.090% (2,061,363 bios; 414,126 women)

Tip of the month:

  • Every language Wikipedia has its own policies regarding notability and reliable sources.
    Before translating an article from one language Wikipedia into English Wikipedia, research
    the subject and verify that the translated article will meet English Wikipedia's policy requirements.

Other ways to participate:

--Lajmmoore (talk 06:05, 29 May 2025 (UTC) via MassMessaging

May thanks

story · music · places

Thank you for improving article quality in May. One of mine was Jadwiga Rappé. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:17, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

reasons to look at Bach (and listen): it's a recent GA (not by me), he assumed the position of Thomaskantor OTD in 1723, he's up for PR, and several of his cantatas for GA, and his Easter Oratorio for FAC --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

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