User talk:Anatole-berthe

Italians

Please DON'T change pre-Unification nationalities to the local state of the day. "Italian", like "German", is a concept that was recognised centuries before, and there is no need to change it. Johnbod (talk) 01:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I noted I should not modify these data. Anatole-berthe (talk) 02:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you for all the information. It has been big help Tanak001 (talk) 03:41, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

I'm happy to read this !

You made a mistake for which we don't care. You didn't wrote your message in the right section.

This section is about a topic I created in Teahouse that was archived. Anatole-berthe (talk) 06:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

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Thanks ! I didn't knew how to use the function to give a bear. I like the symbolism behind the bear as an animal.

The symbolism is something for which "I don't find a simple word to describe it".

It make me think to life in community. I'm not certain but I think bears live in community.

I have rather a very bad knowledge about wildlife. Anatole-berthe (talk) 18:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Help desk and Teahouse advice

Hello, Anatole-berthe. Please don't take this badly, but I have been noticing your recent posts on the above advice desks, which I have been contributing to for approaching 20 years (no, I don't have an account; I choose not to).

I don't know how long (if at all) you've been editing on the Italian Wikipedia, but my impression is that you do not yet know enough about how this English Wikipedia works to be able to give good, non-confusing advice. (As you may or may not know, each language's Wikipedia is independent of any others, and their policies and procedures can differ in many ways.)

It is also obvious that your standard of English is not what querants on an English Help desk would expect. Nearly every post of yours I have read contains one or more spelling and/or grammar errors that cause me (a native English speaker) to stumble and re-read. This is not a problem when you contribute to articles, because there other editors will correct such mistakes, but on the Desks we are not allowed to do that.

You are of course free to ignore me and carry on – I'm just some bloke on the Internet, after all – but I think you (and the Help desk & Teahouse) would benefit from your holding back until both your Wiki-knowledge and your written English have improved. Thank you anyway for your enthusiasm and contributions so far. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 18:04, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I did never write anything on "Wikipedia in Italian".

I collaborate only on "Wikipedia in English" and "Wikipedia in French".

I wrote a request on "Wikipedia in Spanish". It was the only time I wrote something for a Wikipedia project outside of "Wikipedia in English" and "Wikipedia in French".

I requested a contributor to modify an article because my level in Spanish isn't sufficient to do this.

I used my few knowledge in this language and a dictionary "French-Spanish / Spanish-French" then "Google translate".

French is my native tongue. English is a second language for which I'm far to be fluent.

Spanish and others languages are third languages for which I'm far to reach a level of autonomy in writing similar to my level in English.

For these third languages I can read some of these and understand a lot even if I don't know many words. For many of these I can understand only because of my knowledge of others languages. Therefore , I'm nearly unable to write as I need dictionaries and others ressources to write.

About my skills in English language. I can understand fully nearly all things I read but I admit I'm far to master grammar , spelling and vocabulary while writing.

Each language's Wikipedia is independent of any others, and their policies and procedures can differ in many ways.

I know this. I'm far to master policies and procedures but which user master them fully ?

I know the basics and I'm far to be an advanced user but I reached intermediate level and this is better than nothing.

I share the few knowledge I had and I don't pretend to be an expert. As I don't want to confuse someone , I try to make detailed answers and invite the other being to interact.

Dont' say you're just some bloke on the Internet, after all. You're a human behing the screen with his feelings and thinking and you shared these with me. Anatole-berthe (talk) 19:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Anatole-berthe. I came here to say something similar to the IP user. My problem is not so much your use of English, as that your advice often seems to me to be that of somebody who really really wants to help, but doesn't know (or perhaps doesn't understand) enough to give useful advice.

An example is the post on the Help Desk WP:Help desk#Ahir cast surname add. The poster was asking in broken English about how to add a Gujarati surname somewhere. You assumed that they wanted to add it to the Gujarati Wikipedia - which may be the case, but there's no evidence for it. I assumed that they want to add it to an article in English Wikipedia, and looked for possible articles.

Now, you may be right, and I may be wrong - if they reply, we'll find out. But if you are right, you really haven't given them any useful information. You might have pointed them to gu:આહીર, which is the article about Ahir in the Gujarati Wikipedia (I found this by going to Ahir, and looking at the "other language" tab). Normally I point people asking about other Wikipedias to the equivalent of the Help desk or the Teahouse, but I can't find such a page on gu-wiki.

Then again, in WP:Help desk#1909 French publication out of copyright?, you answered a copyright question with "If you want , I can show you texts from French legislation and translate this into English for you". Well, yes you can, but you can find the information digested (and in English) at commons:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/France. Now, there's no reason why you should know that, if you haven't looked at copyright in Wikipedia (and Commons). But I rather doubt whether Chidgk1 found your reply very helpful.

I'm delighted by your enthusiasm, and your wish to help; but I suggest you hold back for the moment until you know more about Wikipedia's ways of doing things. I hope you don't think I'm unwelcoming: that is not my intention. ColinFine (talk) 23:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you are unwelcoming.

About "WP:Help Desk#Ahir cast surname add".

I wasn't certain it was wrote in a broken English. I thought to the possibility it was in another language but certainly not in "Gujarati language" because of the script used. Gujarati isn't written in "Latin script".

I thought it was maybe a language I can't identify. I didn't understood what the user want and I supposed it was maybe wrote in another language than English.

About "WP:Help desk#1909 French publication out of copyright?". I acknowledge I didn't thought to look on Commons. Anatole-berthe (talk) 23:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Actually, the first post included the word "Gujrati", and also છૈડા, which is the name "Chhaida" in Gujerati script. Joyeux Noël! ColinFine (talk) 12:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I saw the word "Gujrati" at first reading but I didn't saw "છૈડા" because I'm not familiar with "Gujarati script".

I'm not trained to see those characters when they appears.

My level is low that I can't determinate when something is wrote in "Devanagari" or in another "Brahmic script" similars.

I'm among these people unable to distinguish "Bengali–Assamese script" , "Devanagari" , "Gujarati script" and "Gurmukhi" because of a lack of knowledge in "Brahmic script".

I know mainly the "Latin script" and "Cyrillic script" that I can read without any issue.

I can read "Greek alphabet" with some troubles because I need to relearn it.

I can read "Arabic script" and "Hebrew alphabet" with somes issues.

I need to learn others scripts. As example among others there are the "Armenian alphabet".

I have a list on my computer containing about 40 scripts to learn. Anatole-berthe (talk) 14:18, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

I forget to say I'm delight to see a "Merry Christmas" in French language addressed to me.

I hope your christmas was good. I hope the year 2025 will be an excellent year for you. Anatole-berthe (talk) 14:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

I want to note that I disagree with the IP user in that I didn't notice any problem with your english. Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 12:10, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment ! I think each of us can have a different opinion about this matter.

I think it it interesting to share views on this matter. Anatole-berthe (talk) 14:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

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Provide Source for Azad Kashmir name

Hi. Since you are clearly keen on using Azad Kashmir trope used by Pakistanis primarily as a "neutral" phrase, I request you to either add the reference to this claim from a Reliable Sources as per Wikipedia guidelines or revert the change, citing lacking of reliable sources of information. 74.114.12.12 (talk) 06:04, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

My answer concerning the edit there.

Concerning the parts of "Kashmir" under the control of Pakistan.

There are "Azad Kashmir" and "Gilgit-Baltistan".

Concerning the parts of "Kashmir" under the control of India.

There are "Jammu and Kashmir" and "Ladakh".

Concerning the parts of "Kashmir" under the control of China.

There are "Aksai Chin" and "Trans-Karakoram Tract".

The situation of the region is complex. These words help us to distinguish the parts. You can use one of these terms without support any parties to "Kashmir conflict".

There are medias mentionned in "Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources" that did already used the term "Azad Kashmir".

Exemple n°1 :

NOTE : This media should be avoided for matters tied to Saudi Arabia (Attributions have to be made) as indicated in "Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources".

In this case , we can because the report is not about Saudia Arabia.

Exemple n°2 :

NOTE : The index number of this document is "ASA 33/014/2001". In "Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources".

We can read "Amnesty International is a human rights advocacy organisation. There is consensus that Amnesty International is generally reliable for facts. Editors may on occasion wish to use wording more neutral than that used by Amnesty and in controversial cases editors may wish to consider attribution for opinion."

This document refer to the full official Pakistani name that is "Azad Jammu and Kashmir" but in the case of the article "Ali Khan Mahmudabad". It's not necessary to use the full official name as "Azad Kashmir" is sufficient. This document is clearly not pro-Pakistani or pro-Indian.

Exemple n°3 :

NOTE : This report is not about a political event. Anatole-berthe (talk) 17:00, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

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Help for readers :

The first message of this topic is probably about the two "edits" by myself.

I did partially reverted an "edit" made by the user who put this message.

Read the two subsequent edits "there" and "there" by the user who wrote the first message of this topic. Anatole-berthe (talk) 09:30, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Your Teahouse responses

Hello. I'm a Wikipedia administrator and a longstanding Teahouse Host. I'm ever so sorry to have to raise this with you, but I have had my attention drawn to the poor quality of your numerous responses to new users at the Teahouse. As you know, this is not the first time the issue has been raised with you.

Our first priority at the Teahouse is to welcome new users and help them by giving clear and useful advice. Whilst I recognise that you want to help out here, I'm afraid that a combination of your perceived weakness in English writing skills and your inability to 'cut to the chase' by directly addressing the question in hand with clear policy guidance is not currently up to our normal, acceptable standards. (I know for a fact that I could not do what you're trying to do here by answering questions in a second language, so please don't be upset by my approach to you now.)

But, for that reason, I must ask you to stop answering Teahouse questions or, at the very least, to only respond when you can give an absolutely clearly written and directly useful reply. If you can't, just don't reply, and leave it to others who probably know English Wikipedia rules and guidance better than you do. In all cases, if earlier replies haven't welcomed the user to the Teahouse, please do so yourself.

If you fail to respond clearly and effectively in future, I'm afraid I shall have no option other than to remove your editing rights on Teahouse and other Help-related pages. I really don't want to stop you from being constructive and useful here. But our first priority must be to new users who seek help, and there are many others here who can probably fulfill that role more effectively. Perhaps you could consider helping out at the Teahouse equivalent in your native tongue instead? Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello ! I read your message.

I did clicked on the "Xtools" link containing my contributions to the "Teahouse".

It didn't worked correctly even if you did put the right link that is "https://xtools.wmcloud.org/topedits/en.wikipedia.org/Anatole-berthe/4/Teahouse".

It did send me to "https://xtools.wmcloud.org/topedits/en.wikipedia.org/Anatole-berthe/4/Teahouse%7CTeahouse".

(Note that there are "%7CTeahouse" after "Teahouse" on this link).

I hold to thanks you for the following "edit".

I didn't knew that this function exist. I saw this problem on others pages to talk. I thought it was not possible to correct this.

We agree on the fact that this is not the first time that the issue is raised as showed "there".

Since the first message of this topic. I consider that my knowledge about "How Wikipedia work ?" did improved.

Concerning my level of English. I think that it did not improved nor regressed.

We have to note that an editor said on the next "edit" that he didn't found any problem with my English.

This is the only editor who did participated on this topic that said that.

Therefore , among users that exprimed concerns on my user "Talk-Page" concerning this aspect.

Only one didn't found any problem.

As the users who did express themselves concerning my level of English proficiency are a "small" portion of Wikipedia users.

We can't know what think the majority on this matter but it doesn't matter for the good functionning of Wikipedia.

It would be costfull in time to ask what's the community think concerning this aspect.

The community is sufficienly overcharged to take care of this trivial matter.

Conclusion :

As the majority of those who did expressed theirs voices on my "talk-page" consider that my level of English isn't sufficient.

As you come on my "talk-page" as an administrator. (I don't know if your message is from your own initiative or because someone complained concerning the issues exposed. I didn't found anything available publically).

For these two reasons above in this conclusion.

I consider that I should cease to contribute to "Teahouse" and "Help Desk" from now with immediate effect , unless if I have questions to ask concerning editing Wikipedia. Is someone agree ?

If we take into account the aspect of my level of English.

This is not necessary that I express myself concerning the issue exposed about "cut to the chase by directly addressing the question in hand with clear policy guidance" because this is not the main question among the two questions.

Therefore , I'll express myself on this aspect only if you or another editor (Admin or not) is interested.

I don't delete messages on my "Talk-page" because I consider that anybody should be able to read its content in the interest of transparency even if we can read these in the history.

If one day it became necessary to archive message because I don't want to delete these.

It will be done. So , I invite readers to comment about anything on this thread or another (Don't hesitate to create one if you think it is necessary).

Readers , you can read that I did always answered when something is exposed to me. So , use your keyboard if you think that it is necessary and then I use mine. Anatole-berthe (talk) 12:32, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

@Anatole-berthe, thank you for your gracious response to @Nick Moyes. I did ask for Nick's thoughts as a longtime Teahouse host because I had noticed a few editors giving unclear advice at the Teahouse. I do agree that it would be best for you not to answer questions at the Teahouse and help desk. Many newcomer questions can be answered with simple and direct responses, but even I (as a native English speaker) get lost when trying to understand your responses. I hope this isn't too discouraging as I see you have made many useful contributions on the English Wikipedia. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 13:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

My thanks for your message. Anatole-berthe (talk) 18:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Anatole-berthe. Firtly, my apologies for giving you the wrong link. I should have checked it, but I failed to do so. Sorry. I'm glad you eventually found the right link to see your Teahouse contributions. And I'm pleased you found the reference list template for talk pages useful. I'm still continuing to learn helpful little things like that, even after many years here. And, to be honest, many of those tips and tricks I've picked up have been acquired by reading other people's replies at the Teahouse. Many people simply read the posts and never post questions or answers, yet find it a great way to learn more about editing. And so it's for that reason that we try to ensure all Teahouse replies are given clearly and effectively.

Secondly, but most importantly, thank you for considering my request so carefully and, as @Anatole-berthe said above, for responding in a gracious and considered manner. The worst thing that any editor (and especially an administrator) can do is to put off, upset, or even anger a keen, enthusiastic user such as yourself by making a clumsy request. Your multi-language skills are far and away better than my own; I would never dare to try to engage with other editors in a foreign language! (This is the only significant contribution I have ever made in another language, and it took all my effort, bravery and a lot of translation tools to help me kick-start what has since become a pretty reasonable article on German Wikipedia.)

So, thanks again for your understanding, and good luck in all your other editing here. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:10, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

My thanks for your message ! Anatole-berthe (talk) 22:02, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

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		For your gracious consideration and reasoned response to my request above. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:10, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

This is my first barnstar. For those who would like to give a "barnstar" to anyone for any reason.

Click on the link above and learn. Anatole-berthe (talk) 22:28, 25 June 2025 (UTC)