Greetings, Netherzone, may 2025 bring you joy! Best wishes for the upcoming year, and thank you for all you do for Wikipedia and for Native communities!
@Netherzone thank you for the lovely message and right backatcha. It's been one of the pleasures of my time here to occasionally collaborate with you on content creation. I hope you and all your people have a beautiful and peaceful new year! jengod (talk) 17:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Today, between many who just died, Tobias Kratzer on his 45th birthday who was good for an unusual DYK mentioning a Verdi opera in 2018, - you can see his work in the trailer of another one that I saw, and my talk page has a third (but by a different director). 2025 pics, finally. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Gerda, I was looking at some of your photos this morning, and was wondering about this little stream or creek you photographed in the Upper Auback Valley Upper Auback valley, Oberlibbach. Does it have a name that you know of?
I'm wondering if it is a winterborne creek that only flows during part of the year, usually after the snow starts melting; an intermittent stream. Just curious, I'm doing some research on these types of bodies of water. Hope all is well with you, Netherzone (talk) 15:46, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have more vacation pics to offer, and today's story of Werner Bardenhewer. I took the pic, and it was my DYK on his 90th birthday, in both English and German. He spent the day in Africa, and after his return said - chatting after a mass of thanks he celebrated at Mariä Heimsuchung - that we'd have to talk about these articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Netherzone, thank you very much for the kind personal foxfire greetings! I hope that fire will soon not longer be necessary to start the day in light as the days become longer again. And in the mean time, we can enjoy sunrises and sunsets!
Thank you so much for this, that musical piece is beautiful and exactly what I needed to hear at this very moment! Here's to sunrises and sunsets in the new year. There is a meteor shower happening this week (visible in North America, not sure where else) I'm hoping for a clear night tonight to watch for shooting stars. Netherzone (talk) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I just wanted to clarify that I never intended to "silence" you or undermine your voice in any way. My goal was simply to help make the section more concise. If you hadn't noticed, there was a "see more" button that allowed users to view the full context you provided, and I really appreciate you taking the time to include the pre-block context. The reason I HATed the section was that, often, very lengthy ANI posts don't get as much attention and tend to be archived without action.
I absolutely didn’t mean to imply that your context was irrelevant or wrong.
Rather, I was just trying to make the main actionable issue (the userspace and "laboratory" concerns) stand out more amongst the wall of text for those skimming the post.
After seeing your recent edit summary, I wanted to come here and sincerely apologize if my edits made you feel otherwise. I will not re-HAT the section.
Your voice is genuinely valued and important here, and I appreciate everything you contribute. I’m sorry if my actions seemed unclear, and please know that I encourage you to keep sharing your unique perspective!
Hi there, I'm a new editor and wanted to thank you for the work you have put in towards documenting Indigenous art and history. I think it's super important work and I appreciate your effort! - AppreciateALittleBreeze (talk) 04:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I saw that, but was wondering about the comment by another editor. Do you know if what they say is this actually correct copyright law? If so, is there a correct license for that, if so what might that be? Or is it BS? Netherzone (talk) 23:07, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Greg has been uploading LOW RESOLUTION version of them, often citing the Monterey County Historical Society's e-commerce portal on Fine Arts America creating a potential of inducing picture purchases to occur through people who wanted their own copy of what they see on Wikimedia. However, if they were truly public domain/CC-BY-SA, the full resolution image, not the low resolution sample should be upped to Wikimedia, so the intentions seem rather clear. MCHS is a name that came up in COI discussions. Seems to me the purpose is to generate interest in the photos in order to drive traffic and cause people to shell out money to MCHS. Graywalls (talk) 23:38, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is deeply troubling. The situation has not seemed to improved at all. It seems that he keeps discovering new ways to game the system. Netherzone (talk) 15:22, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi NZ, I edited down the article on Barrie Jones. Hope it looks OK to you. I am suspicious of the editor who is creating very detailed biographies of living Canadians. Let me know if I am off-base on this. THanks! --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:52, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi and thanks for reaching out. I will have a look, I'm sure your edits are fine, tho. I agree that it may be a COI, but it doesn't look like UPE to me, more like either an enthusiastic alumni or someone who attended an edit-a-thon at UBC. The collections and award are what tipped the scale for me re: notability. But if you have a different opinion, I'm all ears!
The De Luca article is another matter altogether; the article was obviously part of a PR spam-a-thon. It's unfortunate that COI or PROMO carries no weight at AfD; I have gotten my hand slapped several times for even mentioning that. Times have changed I guess. If it is kept, I think it should be trimmed down to a Possibly Stub. As it is, it's a festival of namedropping. Hope my change of !vote wasn't too much of a shock to you, especially after you taking the time to do the source analysis. I wish there were more participants in these Visual Arts and Photography AfDs! Netherzone (talk) 19:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC) Courtesy ping, WomenArtistUpdates in case my talk isn't on your watchlist. Forgive me if you get multiple pings. Netherzone (talk) 19:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that is my assessment too. Jones is a fan page and De Luca is a planned promotion. COI is frustrating, but I also understand you can't necessarily ping the subject because of the editor. All that said, I never mind us being on different sides of the controversial articles :) --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 21:03, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Thanks for the comment. I'd be grateful if you took the time to let me know what "The draft is ref-bombed with unreliable sources, and sources that don't mention the person." is based on. After I received the first comment, I tried "to remove the unreliable sources, and focus on including secondary, fully independent reliable sources that discuss the person in-depth, providing significant coverage". There is one reference link that I made to my own homepage, which I can remove. But other sources are independent and/or academic sources 1) Several links refer to academic papers that discuss my work, 2) Some are references to publications (DVD compilations, interviews) in which my work is presented 3) explanatory links on institutions that are mentioned in the text. Please give me guidance to how to proceed from here. Is there any particular paragraph that you think I should remove, for example? Sachikosky (talk) 15:16, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello and thanks for your message! Here is what ref-bombing means: WP:REFBOMB. In a nutshell it means that an article or draft has an overabundance of sources that are trivial, meaning that they do not cover the person in depth WP:INDEPTH or provide significant coverage WP:SIGCOV. Please click on the links for more comprehensive information. This is what secondary source means (rather than primary source): WP:SECONDARY. An independent source means a source that in not connected to the person. For example if the person had a show or job somewhere or got a grant for an organization, that would be a connected source. But if a journalist who did not know the person or academic who did not know the person wrote an article in an academic journal, or newspaper or magazine ABOUT the person, that would be a solid independent source, which is what the encyclopedia needs to establish notability. See WP:INDEPENDENT. Interviews are almost always considered primary sources because it is the person talking about themself, not what others who are not connected are saying ABOUT them. Also see here to understand how wikipedia defines notability in general: WP:N and for creative people WP:CREATIVE. Trivial coverage also means if the person is just simply mentioned, or listed in an event calendar, etc. - that sort of coverage does not help to establish notability.
It will help reviewers a lot if you can remove the trivial sources. Please reach out to the Wikipedia teahouse WP:TEAHOUSE if you have additional questions. Hope this helps. Netherzone (talk) 16:23, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comment. I will go through the links thoroughly a little later. I also received a comment by Mississipi, which was a great help. I'd like to especially thank you for the explanation on interviews. In the art world, there are not so many who receive the opportunities of interviews and therefore they are often regarded of importance. So it works a little different here, I think. It is very interesting to learn how Wikipedia works, and I thank you for your time to review mine and communicate with me. Sachikosky (talk) 16:41, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Dear @Netherzone, thanks for the cleanup suggestion on the Koekkoek family page. The gallery was a bit crowded indeed. I just removed the additional images, leaving only one per artist. Let me know if this is what you had in mind! Lrkrol (talk) 14:21, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Lrkrol, Thank you for reaching out. And thank you for your time and effort in creating the article.
There are still things that do not seem quite right to me about the article as it stands within the context of an encyclopedia.
Here are some issues to consider:
1) There are promotional words used such as these identified by a WP promo-script: 'Promotional words': historic, influential, inspired by, numerous, popularity, renowned" Please tone down the article to use more encylopedic language.
2) It is unclear which publishing house published the first citation (and when), is this from an art history text?
4) A WP unreliable sources script flags these as unreliable: Ancestry.com - citations and associated content should be removed as WP does not consider this to be a reliable source because it is user-submitted data. Please find a better source and then the associated content can be restored. It also flags the Podcast as questionable/biased or unclear reliability. The Podcast sources content that seems like an attempt to whitewash the fact that the painter Cornelius was mostly known for their fascist and antisemitic propaganda artwork - so to follow that fact with conjecture from "the police" that this work was done not for ideological reasons, but in order to make ends meet, and to financially support his two families. seems questionable. The encyclopedia content should focus on what a person did during their lifetime, not what a policeman says he did as interpreted by a non-notable historian.
5) Encyclopedia articles should convey information in concise terms. Currently there is much too much wordiness and excessive detail in the article. For example, it's not really necessary to say that someone "worked at a wallpaper shop", or used to paint houses, or that someone died of "prolonged suffering". Do readers really need an entire sentence to know that "Twin Anna became a tailor not a painter, no works of her hand are known", this information could easily be said, "his twin sister Anna, a tailor...". It is not necessary to say define why someone is called "Elder" readers already know that means. These are a few examples.
6) Please remove the editorializations; WP is an encyclopedia, not a place for personal opinions or original research. Here is an example of editorialization: whose further biography is unknown. Going forward, this article will only consider known artists from the Koekkoek family.)
7) Please clean up metaphors, they are not considered encyclopedic. Here are some examples used in the article: four of his children "follow in their father's footsteps" could be phrased: "four of his children also be came painters". Instead of saying "work of his hand" just say "work" or "paintings", etc.
Since they broke away from the Shoshone, there really has only been one Comanche tribe (which distinct bands). There is no separate line between Comanche people and "Comanche Nation" people. There are several times who have been unified through time and don't require separate categories. I tried to depopulate the superfulous "Comanche Nation people" category in hopes that it would be deleted. Yuchitown (talk) 20:11, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No worries! I guess it's difficult to track changes to entries within categories. I can upcat everyone. (Although help is appreciated. I don't know how to use Hotcat so am reading up on that.) Yuchitown (talk) 20:50, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
HotCat is great, very useful. Please tell me if I'm approaching the cats for Pueblo people correctly. I made a cat for Zuni jewelers, since there are so many, also one for Navajo printmakers and Navajo weavers for the same reason (and maybe a couple others, can't remember w/o looking back thru my activities over the the past day or two. I was going to create cats for things like Santo Domingo Pueblo jewelers, Cochiti Pueblo ceramic artists, (for example) for each the specific pueblos where relevant. Is this a good idea or not? I will follow your lead. Netherzone (talk) 21:06, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Those all make sense. Categorizing by tribe and media seem a lot more helpful than the women artist categories (since men always seem to be left in the main category space while women get squirreled away into the subcats). I tried to fight some of those in the past, lost, so ignore them now. Same with the century categories. Yuchitown (talk) 21:46, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Food for thought: with Santo Domingo Pueblo artists, would you consider lapidarians "jewelers"? M-W says "one who deals in jewelry, precious stones, watches, and usually silverware and china"; would shell-carvers (heishe makers) be included? Yuchitown (talk) 21:48, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You have raised a very good point. I've thought about that very thing, and in drafting new articles, I try to mention if an artist is a lapidary artist or a silversmith or both. There are degrees of cross over. Lapidary artists work with semi-precious stones and minerals, some with precious gems, and also with shell. And they frequently create their own inlay settings in silver. I think of silversmiths as working primarily in silver "masterwork" including both fabricated pieces and cast pieces. There are "silversmiths" that work in mixed metals, and in silver, gold and brass.
Re: bead-workers that make their own heishi who are really different than beadworkers who "embroider"pre-fabricated beads. The work that goes into heishi is enormous. I've kind of lumped some them all together under the jewelers cat, but been more specific in the short description and the articles.
Also, are Zuni fetish carvers sculptors? As far as I know, they don't use lapidary tools in the same ways as artist who focus more on cabochon cutting other than maybe to cut down larger stones for later finishing by hand or Dremel tool.
I've also thought about the differences between potters and ceramic artists/ceramic sculptors (folks like Virgil Ortiz or Roxanne Swentzel) - there are cats for both, but there doesn't seem to be a standard.
Dear Netherzone, I'm just opening a new thread here since you archived the previous one. Thanks for the careful reading of the article and your earlier pointers; they were helpful indeed, although I did not have time until now to look at it myself. I have now gone through the article again following your edits, and cleaned up the language a bit more. As for your other comments:
The first citation was published in 2003 by Simonis & Buunk, a Dutch art gallery that organised an exhibition that year in cooperation with the B.C. Koekkoek-Haus museum. The citation refers to the booklet that came with that exhibition. The authors are art historians.
About Ancestry.com: This surprises me a little bit, since it is only because the Wikipedia Library provides access to it that I could use this website. I realise some data on that site is user-submitted, but as the citations indicate, the information I cite comes from official collections ingested into Ancestry at some point. Does Wikipedia not make this distinction? I only resorted to Ancestry when no official records could be found; I sometimes still trust such data more than sites like RKD (which I've had to correct myself). Still, I can cite RKD instead if that's more in line with Wikipedia policy.
About the podcast: This podcast was produced by a museum that held a Koekkoek exhibition at that time. I unfortunately cannot (easily) get access to the police files quoted in that podcast, so I quoted the historian instead. The relevant part of the transcript is:
00:14:53 "... En die heeft in de oorlog om geld te verdienen, en helemaal niet uit ideologische overtuigingen hebben we later gelezen in zijn dossier van de politieke recherche, getekend heeft voor de bezetter en voor nationaalsocialistische organisaties."
Hello! Thanks for your note. Glad to hear most of my edits were helpful. Would you like me to restore the previous message thread from my archive so that it's all in one place, or it could also be copied to the article talk page? That's no trouble whatsoever.
Re: Ancestry. Yes, it's true that it's on the RSP cautionary list, WP:ANCESTRY as questionable. But I think in this case, go ahead and use it unless another editor objects.
Thank you for providing the exact passage in the interview, I was doing spot checking using a machine translation, and could not find it thru that method. I think, since it is a sensitive issue, that we use the exact quote by Jacques Dane, so that there is no ambiguity or interpretation of what he actually said. To my way of thinking this would be both good for Dane, as well as for our readership. What do you think of using the translated passage it in quotation marks?
This is the Google Translation: "... And during the war, in order to earn money, and not at all out of ideological convictions, we later read in his file from the political investigation department, he signed for the occupier and for national socialist organizations." My Dutch language skills are very rudimentary, so I will rely on your translation skills and thoughts on using it as a quote.
Thanks for the positive feedback; I'm glad to contribute. With these issues resolved, I may spend some time translating the article into German and Dutch.
Yes, I think it's a good idea to include the exact quote. I have made a suggestion directly in the article, with the full quote in the citation.
If it's no trouble, it's probably cleanest to move this to the article's talk page indeed, but I'll leave it to you. Lrkrol (talk) 10:50, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I don't remember the AfD for this, however I do know that I did not initiate an AfD for the TJ Norris article. If the article was deleted thru the community consensus during the AfD process, I don't have the power or ability to undelete it. I'm sorry I cannot be more helpful. Netherzone (talk) 02:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Netherzone, I couldn't figure out how to email you - hope its ok to leave this message here! Can you possibly add something to my page? Thanks of you can! As follows:
In the 2025-2026 season, Knight will be included in Site Santa Fe 12th International, titled Once Within a Time and curated by Cecilia Alemani. Carpenter6 (talk) 15:44, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Karla, I'm sorry I am unable to do that because there are two issues at play here. Adding something that has not yet occurred could be construed as both promotional/self-promotional, and WP:CRYSTALBALL, the latter meaning that future events are very seldom added to an article because there's always the possibility that an event (or participation in this case) might not manifest in the future; for example if an institution lost funding, the show was cancelled or a curator changed jobs. Secondly, we don't add content without a verifiable independent reliable source. Word of mouth is not enough. I'd suggest to be patient, wait until the show actually occurs and if your work is mentioned in-depth in a review in a reliable source, then it might be relevant to add + the citation. Please consider adding this content to your own personal website or social media which are more appropriate venues to promote these types of things rather than the encyclopedia. Courtesy ping @Carpenter6. Best regards, Netherzone (talk) 00:21, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for improving article quality in April! - My story is about music that Bach and Picander gave the world 300 years (and 19 days) ago, - listen (on the conductor's birthday) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I finally managed to upload the pics I meant for Easter, see places. - Also finally, I managed a FAC, Easter Oratorio. I wanted that on the main page for Easter Sunday, but no, twice. You are invited to join a discussion about what "On this day" means, day or date. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Netherzone, I’ve been working on a draft article for Sachiko Hayashi and left a note on the draft’s talk page a little while ago. Just wanted to follow up here to make sure the ping went through. If you have a moment, I’d really appreciate it if you could take a quick look and let me know if there’s anything I might have missed or misunderstood. Thanks so much again for your time and support. Sachikosky (talk) 08:09, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've been meaning to leave you a message to let you know that you single-handedly restored my faith in the AfD process. I really thought this article about a genuinely notable Canadian artist was going to be deleted, when people fought so hard over articles like ElderTreks... Thank you! MediaKyle (talk) 17:13, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi MediaKyle, thanks so much for your kind words. It was great to "meet you" at the AfD. I was previously unfamiliar with Stankievech's work but once I started BEFORE-searching I was truly impressed with the work he has done, really great stuff, and so globally relevant. It's always nice to discover things on WP, it's one of the things I like about working at AfD. I wondered a bit about the nomination since the editor only has made only 6 edits all of which were to try to delete the article when there was so much good content on this artist that was easily available. (BTW, I missed the ElderTreks AfD, as I usually focus on visual arts topics.) Thanks again for your friendly note, I look forward to seeing you around in the community! Netherzone (talk) 17:29, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Beautiful! Thank you, Gerda. My garden is abloom with azaleas, columbine, wood hyacinth. The lilacs have faded, and the roses are "getting ready"! Netherzone (talk) 20:58, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed your recent edit to the image caption on the Meteor Crater article, where you added the word "cropped" to describe the image. Thank you for contributing your time and effort to improving the article.
I am a little puzzled by this change. While it's true that the image is cropped, it seems unusual to highlight this detail directly in the caption. From what I’ve observed across Wikipedia, captions usually focus on the content or context of the image—rather than on the editing process itself, unless the crop significantly alters interpretation or is disputed. I cropped the image to remove the surrounding desert land and bring forth the crater, none of which altered the context nor topic of he image. Moreover, I crop many--perhaps most--of the photographs I post on Wikimedia Commons, including one which is recognized as a featured image.
It seems if every cropped image were labeled as such, we'd be rewriting captions across a great deal of Wikimedia Commons. Please share your reasoning. I'm curious if there's a particular guideline or precedent you had in mind. I want to understand, and if it's something I’ve overlooked, I’d be grateful to hear from you. Most kind regards.Hu Nhu (talk) 15:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Hu Nhu, thank you for reaching out. That was my mistake, I cropped the image using Crop Tool (which renamed the file, adding the word cropped), but I forgot to edit the caption. It's fixed now. Thanks for pointing out the error and for uploading the original file.
I also was thinking that it might be improved a little with a few mild adjustments such as sharpening and contrast, and adding a bit of saturation. I'm pretty good with PhotoShop, and I wouldn't overly adjust the image, but wanted to ask whether you would be amenable to that. It could always be reverted to the original. Please let me know, I'm always happy to improve images on Wikipedia. All the best, and thank you again, Netherzone (talk) 18:34, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Netherzone#top. Thank you for your kind reply and your attention to my edit. You've excellent ideas to adjust the photo and I look forward to seeing the resulting improvements. Please make sure take credit for the improvements--I am not able to do PhotoShop edits myself, and I appreciate your efforts very much. I look forward to seeing your work on the photo. Most kind regards, Hu Nhu (talk) 16:07, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Hu Nhu, sorry it has taken me a while to get back to you. I tried improving the image in Photoshop, but there just isn't enough data in the image to make any relevant improvements. It's seems to have been shot with a cell phone zoomed in to maximum, soft focus, and low resolution. I've left the file as is because I wasn't satisfied with the results. Still, it's a nice photo, and thanks so much for uploading it. Netherzone (talk) 23:17, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You are quite perceptive and accurate in every aspect of your analysis, and I am sorry that you were unable to improve on the work. I was flying out of Texas and happened to be in the window seat when I saw this magnificent landform and took the photograph. Thank you for your attention to the image. Kind regards to all, Hu Nhu (talk) 04:41, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive in June!
The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than 1 month of outstanding reviews from the current 3+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 June 2025 through 30 June 2025.
Hi Netherzone,
Could you take a look at the stub for The American Supermarket? I think it is fine for a stub, but I'd like to know what you think. At your convenience, of course.
I am finding it hard to find documentation that this was pivotal show or where exactly it falls in the Pop art timeline. I see that it is an early show and a very clever idea. I want to suggest this a a target for redirect for the Ben Birillo article. He seems to be famous for curating this show, butthat is it. The show is far more interesting.
Meanwhile I am trying to figure out if the artist was Diane Inman[1] or Mary Inman.[2] I have used diane in the article. I am also looking for review in the New York Times. I got sort of turned around while composing this so lost the scant reference to the fact that the show was reviewed in both NYT and Life (not the article cited in the Ben Birillo article) and that it traveled to Europe. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:43, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @WomenArtistUpdates, thanks for your note. The stub looks fine. Thank you for creating it! I am reminded of Claus Oldenberg's installation, The Store, from 1961 [1], [2], which preceded The American Supermarket. (And more recently on this theme, Meow Wolf's interactive art spectacle, Omega Mart. :) I agree that it may sense for the Ben Brillo article to be redirected there if that is all he is known for. Regarding Diane or Mary Inman - I will see what I can find out. Netherzone (talk) 13:27, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The original poster for American Supermarket says Mary Inman, and this Artsy synopsis uses Mary Inman: [3], as does this Art & Antiques article: [4] and the NYT review [5]. Could it be they are the same person, who sometimes used her first name and sometimes her middle name? Netherzone (talk) 13:35, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For example, he made edits simultaneously in Navitas Petroleum in the Hebrew and English at the same time. He made disclosure in the Hebrew entry, but avoid doing this in the English one. This is only one example, how come that each of his edits in the Hebrew Wikipedia he write that they are paid, and in English only a handful, and even that, only after investigation ?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC7:727:839:4002:845D:77A:92DD (talk) 11:50, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IP, thank you for your concern, could you please post this on the link I left for you: WP:COIN#User:mrksh, compare to hebrew and explain this? I only noticed the problem while doing New Page Patrols. That way it will get an administrator's attention. I don't have the authority to do anything to stop it because I am not an administrator. And also please include links to all the articles where this is occurring. Also, I don't read nor write Hebrew, so I'm not sure if machine translations are accurate. Is their user name on Hebrew WP also MrEksh or is it something else? I'm pinging an administrator @Star Mississippi who may be able to take a look at the situation when they have time. Please, in the meantime, do list all the articles that are relevant.
By the way, it looks like MrEksh only added citations to the Navitas Petroleum article which isn't a big problem, although they should still should have used the article talk page or the Edit Request Wizard. Thank you for helping to keep WP free of undisclosed paid editing. Netherzone (talk) 12:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Netherzone. In this comment [6] you said that a sentence filled with typos could be "a bad machine translation job". Machine translated and LLM-generated content never has typos (unless added by the editor afterwards). This kind of garbled text looks more like a bad OCR job, like someone copying text from a PDF scan of a book, though the unprofessional wording and missing punctuation suggests that's not the case here. So they're probably just typos. Best, Toadspike[Talk]15:40, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your recent edits and for helping improve the *Impressionist photography* article. I really appreciate your attention to original research and source quality. I agree it's important to make it reliable.
I’m still learning how to contribute properly on Wikipedia, and I know there’s a lot to get right. At the moment, I’m reading several academic books to improve the article step by step. Since it takes time to gather and verify reliable secondary sources, I’m updating gradually as I go.
If you notice anything I could do better or if you have advice, I’d be very happy to hear it.
Hi @OctaveCoelio, thank you for reaching out and your kind words. And thanks for working on the article. As I'm sure you noticed, there are some problems with it. It may have been created using an AI program which accounts for the many sourcing errors, for example one exhibit was sourced to an article about a waste treatment plant! I think there is also original research by the creator of the article, writing about their interpretation of impressionist photography, rather than going by what reliable sources actually say. I think it can probably be fixed, and it is an interesting subject for the encyclopedia. I will keep it on my watchlist. It's getting late here and my focus is getting fatigued. I'll also look for appropriate sources tomorrow or in the next day or two. Thanks again and happy editing! Netherzone (talk) 02:11, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I completely agree — we can't rely on AI-generated text, especially when it comes to sourcing. That’s exactly why I’m digging into the books directly. It just takes a bit of time to cross-check everything properly.
Thanks a lot for your patience and your watchful eye. Sleep well! I’ll keep working on it a bit tonight, and I’d be happy if you could review it again tomorrow when it’s fresh.
I found a better source for the recent exhibition — this time from the official website of the City of Honfleur. I wanted to check with you before re-adding it to the article.
== Recent exhibitions ==
In 2023, an exhibition titled Mémoires de l’impressionnisme was installed outdoors in Honfleur, along the Garden of Personalities. Presented from April 9 to December 31, it featured around forty photographs by Réhahn, depicting scenes of life in Vietnam through an aesthetic marked by light, reflections, and fleeting emotion. The exhibition was part of the celebrations for the 50th anniversary of diplomatic relations between France and Vietnam. It was inaugurated in the presence of the Vietnamese Ambassador to France and local officials.[1]
Let me know if you think this is appropriate. Thanks again for your time and help!
Last message because you must be sleeping already.
I found better sources for the recent exibition. I wont add before getting your approval.
== Recent exhibitions ==
In 2023, an exhibition titled Mémoires de l’impressionnisme was installed outdoors in Honfleur, along the Garden of Personalities. Presented from April 9 to December 31, it featured around forty photographs by Réhahn, depicting scenes of life in Vietnam through an aesthetic marked by light, reflections, and fleeting emotion. The exhibition was part of the celebrations for the 50th anniversary of diplomatic relations between France and Vietnam. It was inaugurated in the presence of the Vietnamese Ambassador to France and local officials.[2]
In 2025, the Musée de l'Orangerie in Paris hosted the exhibition Dans le flou. Une autre vision de l’art de 1945 à nos jours (Out of Focus: Another Vision of Art from 1945 to the Present Day), running from April 30 to August 18. The exhibition explored the aesthetic and conceptual role of blur in modern and contemporary art, featuring works by artists such as Gerhard Richter, Francis Bacon, Hiroshi Sugimoto, and Edward Steichen. It examined how the use of blur became a means of expressing the instability and uncertainty of the post-World War II era, challenging traditional notions of clarity and representation. The exhibition also drew connections to Claude Monet's Water Lilies, highlighting the influence of Impressionist techniques on later artistic practices.[3]
Good morning, @OctaveCoelio:, Thanks for reaching out. The article is on a broad topic/subject, and to give one artist, or even one specific exhibition so much weight is undue WP:UNDUE. I think, in particular the paragraph on Réhahn's work does not present the broad topic in a neutral way. It's too much emphasis on one artist's work when the genre of impressionistic photography itself has existed for over a century and crosses international and intercontinental borders. (It seems sort of promotional too.) All of that belongs on Réhahn's WP article not in a broad topic article. I'd strongly suggest sticking to the topic itself; the article should focus on art history, it does not need a "recent exhibitions" section.
What would make sense is a sentence towards the end of the "Pictorialist heritage and influence of Impressionism" section that says: "More recent examples of artists working in an impressionistic mode are Réhahn, Gerhard Richter, Francis Bacon, Hiroshi Sugimoto, and some of the works of Edward Steichen." Include those who have been influenced by the heritage of impressionism, and include sources that refer to their work(s) that way.
My advice is to stick to the history as represented in reliable sources like books, art magazines and academic journal articles (I have access to JSTOR if you don't so can help with that.) And to create a "Gallery" section where a handful of relevant artists can be chronologically represented with one work each. - Netherzone (talk) 16:16, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the detailed feedback. I completely understand the concern about giving too much weight to one artist, and I agree with your point—especially now that I slowly become more familiar with how balance and neutrality work here.
I also agree about the importance of including more women photographers. I’m still working through several books on the subject and haven’t reached that part yet, but it’s definitely something I want to add.
That said, I do think the Dans le flou exhibition in Paris is quite significant historically. It feels like a turning point in the renewed recognition of impressionist approaches in photography. Even if the paragraph on Réhahn is set aside or shortened, I would still suggest finding a way to mention the exhibition itself as part of the broader narrative—if you feel it fits.
I'm still learning and I find myself very excited to continue this article.
Thanks for taking the time to review my submission.
I just wanted to clarify that I don’t have any personal or financial ties to Stark Gallery, I’m simply a fan of its history and cultural impact on Nantucket. I understand it may not yet meet all notability requirements, but my intention is to highlight a unique piece of regional history that might otherwise be overlooked.
I’d really appreciate any guidance you can offer on how to strengthen the article, especially when it comes to sourcing or format — so it might eventually meet Wikipedia’s standards. If you have any suggestions or examples of similar entries that made it through, I’d be grateful for the direction.
@Lilstark, thank you for your inquiry, and your interest in contributing to the encyclopedia.
Unfortunately, I'm not finding that the gallery meets notability criteria for companies. What is needed are references that are specifically about the gallery itself, not the artists associated with it. There needs to be multiple in-depth, secondary, and fully independent coverage over a period of time. These should probably also provide national or international coverage. There are links at the top of the draft explaining these terms, and you can also read more here: Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)
Do you happen to be related to or associated with the Stark family in some way? The reason for the question is that our user name suggests that you may have a connection.
At this time, the draft is mostly about Robert Stark Jr., Dylan Stark, Robert Stark III. This seems more like an article about the family that showed at the Stark Gallery. The only citation that is about the gallery is it's listing with Nantucket Cultural District/Cultural Partners, but that is not an independent source - it's basically a database listing simply proving that the gallery existed. Netherzone (talk) 11:24, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your thoughtful reply and for clarifying the notability standards. I really appreciate you taking the time.I understand the need for independent, in-depth sources specifically about the gallery itself, and I see now that most of what I found focuses more on the artists. I’ve done a lot of digging but haven’t turned up much beyond regional mentions and some older event listings.
Do you think this might be better approached as a part of a broader article (like a section under one of the artists), or is it not really a fit for Wikipedia at all? Lilstark (talk) 18:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You didn't answer the question Netherzone directly asked you. Do you have any personal or professional association with the Stark family? Graywalls (talk) 00:25, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Lilstark, I noticed that this imageStark Red Sail.jpg of a painting by Robert Stark was uploaded as your "own work", and yet you state that you do not have any personal or financial ties to Stark Gallery. If you are Robert Stark, then you do have a personal connection to Stark Gallery. If you are not the artist who created the work why are you listed as its "Author"? Netherzone (talk) 17:12, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Check this one out too. I'm not sure if Henderson activity took place in the background, but subject engaged editing or public relations editing activity is obvious from the use of WP:SPA. This person is the partner/former partner of that one person you recently pointed out to me. Graywalls (talk) 05:26, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Flubbadubba had created the original article in 2008 (with incorrect capitalization as David j marchi) which was speedy deleted: See user talk for Flubbadubba. Then after the speedy, Flubb worked on Matthew Christopher but by the time 2019 came around, they deleted info on the marriage and also did some vandalism to the article at that time. But not sure if this is useful to the issue at hand but it indicates a connection between to two.
Vermontmountainboy created the current Matthew Christopher article, and it's clear it's an AUTOBIO based on their former user name [User talk:Rhododendrites/2016a#h-Matthew Christopher Changes-2016-01-31T06:40:00.000Z]. Also see the user talk for Vermontmountainboy. I've tagged it as AUTOBIO. In reviewing the citations, they are mostly fluff, I'm not sure that notability is met.
I also seem to remember an extended talk page discussion about G & M somewhere, but can't find it right now; there have been so many discussions. Anyways, this is interesting: Greg did everything for me as far as my page is concerned, including making it live as he referred it.User talk:Marchiart#June 2025 - it seems like the clock should be reset on the block. Netherzone (talk) 12:25, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like I opened up a can of worms however, if Greg was doing things against your policies, it's unacceptable and I regret ever having contacting him.
Is there any way to remove me from the strings as I'm getting inundated with emails? thanks for your help.
Hello Marchiart, Netherzone may have a separate reply, but if I may: You're probably not being contacted through Wikipedia's e-mailing function but rather directly, right? When someone has a way to contact you independently of Wikipedia, there is nothing Wikipedia can do to prevent it from continuing, although the Trust and Safety team of the Wikimedia Foundation can sometimes provide advice if you experience off-wiki harassment for your on-Wikipedia activities.
But, Marchiart, would you mind following the instructions in the three bullet points on your talk page and letting me know when you did?
@Marchiart:, Are you only talking about emails coming directly from Greg? If then Spam block his email address on your end. If you mean notification emails related to Wikipedia and configuration about what emails you receive through Wikipedia, I think Wikipedia:Teahouse would be a better place to ask. Graywalls (talk) 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Marchiart, I have not sent you any emails, nor have I ever emailed Greg. I think you might be confusing "ping" notifications with emails. I believe there is a way to turn off pings in your preferences. Netherzone (talk) 16:47, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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