Talk:Starlight (Taylor Swift song)

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... that Taylor Swift wrote and dedicated a song to Ethel Kennedy?

Source: Wall Street Journal

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Doing Time (manga)

Created by Ippantekina (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.

Ippantekina (talk) 04:56, 10 June 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - See below
Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Ippantekina: Article is new enough (moved to mainspace on 6/4), long enough, and a QPQ has been done. My only concern is the hook - the article doesn't mention the song being "dedicated" to Ethel Kennedy, only that it was inspired by her romance with RFK. Does the WSJ source say that it was dedicated to her? The article is behind a paywall and I can't access it. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:59, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@CanonNi: hey there, thanks for the review. I've added sources that corroborate the hook in the article. Ippantekina (talk) 07:31, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There we go. Alright, with the information added to the article, this DYK is good to go. Great work! '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 08:13, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Given unresolved concerns about the promoted hook, I've returned this to Prep for further workshopping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:21, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... Taylor Swift used the song "Starlight" in a commercial for her fragrance in 2013? TarnishedPath^talk 01:07, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it would be better to use the word "song" in the hook? The hook seems borderline interesting to me, so asking Launchballer if they could propose something else. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:11, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So I guess the Ethel Kennedy hook failed? Ippantekina (talk) 04:23, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There were more editors supporting running the hook than opposing, but not overwhelming enough to meet consensus, so it was probably safer to just pull for workshopping than to keep it in Prep indefinitely. This does not mean that the Kennedy hook can't run (the opposition wasn't against the Kennedy angle entirely), but it would probably require rewriting to address the concerns raised. Are you open to a non-Ethel Kennedy hook then? I have a feeling that just because it's a Taylor Swift hook does not mean it automatically meets DYKINT: Tay-Tay hooks (and really music hooks in general) have underperformed in the past. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ippantekina: Thoughts on ALT1 above? Any other hooks that you would like to propose? The more hooks that are proposed, the more likely it is that at least one will be approved. Z1720 (talk) 23:21, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Ethel Kennedy hook is the most interesting one and is cited. If this is not approved, I have no alternatives. If this is a dead-end, I would like to withdraw this nom. Ippantekina (talk) 08:49, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for intruding on this discussion. I can understand the concern about the Ethel Kennedy hook. I think that the "Ethel Kennedy fanfiction" could make the original hook more interesting. So something along the lines of: ... Taylor Swift wrote a song that a critic considered a "piece of Ethel Kennedy fanfiction"? It is just a suggestion of course, and apologies again for jumping into this discussion at random. Again, I just think the "fanfiction" angle may be something to pull some attention (and to be frank, some topics will just not interest some people and that is okay). Aoba47 (talk) 00:19, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it's a better hook than the original proposal, but it's probably better to hear from Ippantekina first before approving it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:12, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Aoba47 for the suggestion; if consensus is that that alt is more interesting, then yes I'm happy to nominate that as a hook -- ALT2: ... that Taylor Swift wrote a song that a critic considered a "piece of Ethel Kennedy fanfiction? (already sourced within article) Ippantekina (talk) 02:42, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Checks out, let's roll.--Laun chba ller 14:12, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]