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Clarification needed

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The article says there is a genocide going on, but it also says the population is getting bigger. Both of these things can't be true. The article needs to be corrected one way or the other. Nicole Wallace from Australia (talk) 07:55, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The definition of that word is not easy to pin down; many international organizations offer their own views, but population size alone is not determative. The Uyghurs, for example, are not usually being killed, but many define that as genocide.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037
Also, presumably intent is important.
The main Wikipedia article on Uyghurs states: “The policies have drawn widespread condemnation, with some characterizing them as a genocide. In an assessment by the UN Human Rights Office, the United Nations (UN) stated that China's policies and actions in the Xinjiang region may be crimes against humanity, although it did not use the term genocide.” 2601:645:C601:6010:1834:4AAA:C4E4:578A (talk) 23:53, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't say that the population is getting bigger. The first source mentioning the population in the lead is this Reuters article, stating that the total population has declined by 6% since the start of the war. I'll add the percentage decrease to the sentence using this source to clarify that the population is in decline. JasonMacker (talk) 00:06, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Map legend

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@The Great Mule of Eupatoria can you add a map legend since you're the one who made the map? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 11:12, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No issues, I will do it as soon as I am able to The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 11:54, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 April 2025

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Closing this as no consensus - whilst NOTAVOTE, there are currently 16 supports and 14 opposes, with supporters claiming WP:PRIMARYTOPIC as the main reason, and opposers claiming long-term significance, both arguments are based on policy, and both make a good point. This has been open for nearly 2 months now, and consensus does not look any closer to being reached. (closed by non-admin page mover) CoconutOctopus talk 10:55, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

– The Gaza Strip is the WP:MAINTOPIC for the word "Gaza". See the ngrams 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 11:17, 29 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 20:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Western Asia, WikiProject Palestine, and WikiProject Geography have been notified of this discussion. 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 11:18, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above and WP:RECENTISM. Mast303 (talk) 00:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Gaza strip has always been the main topic since the 1940s. I don't know what recentism you're talking about 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 05:26, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IDK about these newfangled people with their "printing presses" and their "horseless carriages"--if King David thinks Gaza is a city, that's good enough for me Red Slash 05:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – I do not disagree with the claim that "Gaza" is often used as a short-form for the Gaza Strip (in both English and Arabic), but I think the precision given by the status quo (of Gaza Strip and Gaza City being titled the way they are and Gaza as a disambiguation page) has functional utility for readers who are not as familiar with the topic. I do not think it is an improvement to move Gaza Strip to Gaza and Gaza to Gaza (disambiguation), then add a hatnote to the Gaza Strip article along the lines of "This is about the wider territory; for the city named Gaza, see Gaza City, etc." The term "Gaza Strip" itself is widely used in English-language scholarship to be precise and distinguish the territory from the city and historical region, evidenced somewhat ironically by the Ngrams link. Yue🌙 07:08, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I cannot see a single news website calling it as Gaza strip - when you google "gaza strip" in google news right now Cinaroot (talk) 06:46, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Yue: Reading through your vote, it seems like you may be stating that the most common use of the word "Gaza" is for "Gaza Strip", but not enough for the article to be renamed "Gaza"? (In other words, what I stated in my vote: Move only the disambiguation page, then retarget Gaza to Gaza Strip?) Steel1943 (talk) 21:29, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per other users. Ahammed Saad (talk) 10:40, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per widely known as only Gaza ApurboWiki2024 (talk) 10:51, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Even UN refer it to as Gaza Cinaroot (talk) 06:44, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm looking through this discussion, and the way all except the most recent 2 of the "support" votes are worded, it seems they agree that the disambiguation page should be moved, but do not clearly support if or why Gaza Strip should be moved to Gaza. In fact, the nominator seems to have failed to make this argument as well since a move from Gaza Strip to Gaza is a WP:COMMONNAME claim, which is not what the nominator stated in their initial or subsequent statements. Steel1943 (talk) 21:35, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
my argument was that it is the primary topic, not the common name 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 05:08, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Abo Yemen: Then the way you structured your move request is not what you are actually requesting to happen: It seems you are not specifically asking that Gaza Strip be moved to Gaza, but rather want Gaza to redirect to Gaza Strip? If so, the first move in your request, Gaza Strip → Gaza, should not occur, but rather only Gaza → Gaza (disambiguation) so that Gaza can redirect to Gaza Strip. Steel1943 (talk) 08:58, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If this is true, then I change my vote to support. However the way he phrased the request is sort of confusing. Evaporation123 (talk) 18:54, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Gaza Strip is most common name for this territory. Gaza is used as a short name, but it is also used for the city. Dash9Z (talk) 02:33, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Dash9Z. DARIO SEVERI (talk) 05:04, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose, per reasoning of other users. Waiting on more clarification about the move request Evaporation123 (talk) 18:52, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Chipmunkdavis. --Hassan697 (talk) 11:59, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Its name is the Gaza Strip. The fact that people like abbreviations doesn't change that. The existing "also known simply as Gaza" in the first sentence is enough to cover it. Similarly with Golan versus Golan Heights and probably countless examples around the world. Zerotalk 06:20, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support At least internationally, the strip is overwhelmingly commonly referred to as "Gaza", if the city is meant that is explicitly specified. PhotographyEdits (talk) 13:51, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, recent references to the area as just "Gaza" mainly refer to the ongoing war there. Gaza Strip is the most accurate name especially as it pertains to the historic and ongoing occupation of the area. —RAGentry (talk) (contributions) 21:05, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Absolutiva (talk) 22:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:COMMONNAME. 2018rebel 04:44, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per WikiNav, 65.32% of outgoing pageviews of the Gaza article were to the Gaza Strip article (representing 1.42% of total incoming pageviews to the article). Meanwhile, 17.16% of outgoing pageviews were to the Gaza City article (representing 0.61% of total incoming pageviews to the article). 2018rebel 19:19, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relister comment: I'm obviously WP:INVOLVED, but I just noticed that this discussion has never been relisted, though it has been open for almost 2 months, and really needs a fresh set of eyes so consensus can be determined. Steel1943 (talk) 20:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not that you needed anyone to commend you on this, but relisting doesn't require you to be uninvolved. Good call to relist Red Slash 05:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Aimans comment. Oneequalsequalsone (talk | contribs) 12:16, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose first--the Gaza Strip should be called that for clarity. Weak support second--we're not serving anyone by not redirecting Gaza to the article they actually want to read. Red Slash 05:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Etymology

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Why is this one of the only place pages without an etymology for the name? Gesorgod (talk) 23:21, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On the Gaza City page, there is an etymology section. The Gaza Strip is just a territory. Thepharoah17 (talk) 06:38, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, that’s why the history section only begins in the mid-19th century when Israel was created as a state. The Gaza Strip is basically an "artificial territory." There was no such as "Gaza Strip" before then so it wouldn’t make sense to have an etymology section. Thepharoah17 (talk) 06:58, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move request and RfC

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There is a move request and a related related RfC at the Besor Stream article that could do with more input. Thanks. M.Bitton (talk) 15:56, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 June 2025

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Please change "On 19 January 2025, a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas took effect. It lasted until 18 March, when Israel launched a surprise attack.[165]" To "On 19 January 2025, a temporary ceasefire between Israel and Hamas took effect. The war resumed on 18 March, after both parties failed to reach a lasting agreement."

Explaination: After the talks between Israel and Hamas failed, specifically after Hamas broke the ceasefire agreement multiple times between january and march of 2025 (which was a hostage release agreement), Israel resumed its military campaign. this was always the case, even before the agreement was signed, it was stated that they agree to "Phase A" of the agreement, and that "Phase B" would be further discussed, and if failed, the war will resume. Eitherway, that is by no mean a "suprise attack" that was conducted by israel, and definitely not something initiated out of nowhere, like is being implied. DawnDude (talk) 17:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 18:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 21 June 2025

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Description of suggested change: Add wikilink to Buffer zone (minor edit).

I've noticed there are wikilinks to articles on particular buffer zones in the Gaza Strip, but there are no references to the article on the concept of buffer zone itself, even though the keyword appears many times throughout the text.

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After the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty, a 100-meter-wide buffer zone between Gaza and Egypt...
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After the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty, a 100-meter-wide [[Buffer zone]] between Gaza and Egypt...

Dfimium499 (talk) 15:21, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done CMD (talk) 15:50, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Split section History

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was to split into History of the Gaza Strip. Consensus cited summary style guidelines and the only opposition was rendered as an invalid argument. Going to begin split tomorrow. —Sparkle and Fade (talk • contributions) 04:05, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

into History of the Gaza Strip. It's the largest section of the article without a main page. A paragraph would be left, following summary style guidelines. fgnievinski (talk) 02:22, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. The summary could be a few paragraphs long. UpdateNerd (talk) 02:40, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please leave more than a paragraph (agree with UpdateNerd), but in general agree the section has exceeded WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. CMD (talk) 09:07, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • but there is too many articles related to israel-palestine - as long of the main article is not above 15k words - i oppose the change. Astropulse (talk) 01:45, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • "there is too many articles related to israel-palestine" is not a valid reason to oppose. 95.98.65.177 (talk) 11:58, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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