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Logan's Run, The Circuit

"Why is this relevant? It's not mentioned anywhere else in the article."

Sir, it is relevant because it is part of the plot of the film, plus I narrowed it down to a simple brief description:

That evening, via a device called The Circuit, he meets Jessica 6, a young woman also wearing an ankh pendant.

The current sentence in this section of the plot is this before my edits were needlessly reverted:

That evening, he meets Jessica 6, a young woman also wearing an ankh pendant.

It is only SIX additonal words and it adds a brief detail to the plot description that actually happened in the film.

I don't want to get into a tiresome editing war on the Logan's Run article but I think the addition fits fine. Thank you. Eric Carpenter (talk) 16:11, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Not sure why you felt the need to space out your comment as you did, but okay.

I don't see where in your comment you establish why it's specifically important to mention The Circuit, versus just saying he meets Jessica. There's no mention of The Circuit anywhere else in the article, so it doesn't exactly seem to be an important plot device. You may want to read WP:FILMPLOT; we typically try not to add plot details just for the sake of including them.

You are welcome to raise the question at the article's Talk page if you feel strongly that this merits inclusion. That would allow other editors to weigh in as well. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 16:38, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

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"Nature Boy" reversal.

Thanks. I guess I'm not as conversant as I should be in editing via the app - couldn't figure out how to insert the required citation. Timhogs (talk) 22:26, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

You're welcome! Happy to help out if I can! Please note that for "In popular culture"-style items, generally a secondary source is needed, as discussed at WP:IPCV. Happy editing! DonIago (talk) 03:20, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

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Family Guy

Bonnie has been periodically holding Joe in contempt and cheats on him a lot. Both of season 23's Hulu episodes have her doing it. 96.242.83.43 (talk) 23:25, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

You seem to be stating this based solely on your own observations. DonIago (talk) 03:09, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

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 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Atlantis: The Lost Empire § Plot section. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:03, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you're targeting me specifically with this request? I've never seen the film, so I won't be able to weigh in other than in a general context. DonIago (talk) 04:30, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

I see. Just thought I'd ask for some opinions. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:39, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Your Titanic revert

Hi, saw your Titanic revert and thought this discussion may be of interest to you Template_talk:Infobox_film#Distributors Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:22, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Already aware of it (though I haven't been paying a great deal of attention, since I'm not highly invested in the outcome), but thanks! DonIago (talk) 02:18, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

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Your revert on It's a Wonderful Life

Your recent revert of my additions are somewhat short-sighted, as both these films are indeed often mistaken for one another, (as their titles sound very similar), especially by people who don't know the films and most definitely in German-speaking countries – Both the films are named virtually the very same and are often mistaken (Das Leben ist schön vs Ist das Leben nicht schön).

I often came across people, who knew one film and thought it's called the other title and vice versa. Smartcom5 ^(Talk?) 20:12, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm still dubious, but if you want to revert me, I won't stop you, though I can't speak for other editors. However, the Distinguish template is intended for cases where titles are similar, and I don't really see it (in English). I also don't speak German, though I would think people in German-speaking countries might be more likely to look at the German Wikipedia first. But, like I said, I'm fine either way. DonIago (talk) 20:45, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

X-Men Origins: Wolverine edit

Hello, I got a message from you saying I edited the article X-Men Origins: Wolverine. I don't recall editing it. Could you reminded me what the edit was? There is too much coding involved in adding citations so if I did edit it I likely included a note requesting the next editor to add a citation. But if I did edit it the edit was likely directed to a Wikipedia article with the information already cited on that article. ChallengingAnthropocentrism (talk) 20:22, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi there; thanks for reaching out. It was this edit, which you can see yourself on your contributions page. Hope this helps! DonIago (talk) 02:36, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Oh, that was confirmed by Marvel, it is on the article it directs to and doesn't need a direct source. Please revert back to that edit. ChallengingAnthropocentrism (talk) 08:23, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Please see WP:CIRCULAR; Wikipedia blue links don't remove the need for citations (the most obvious reason being that the linked article could always change to the point that the linked article no longer backed up the information in question). What you can (hopefully easily!) do is just copy the appropriate citation from the linked article.

Please let me know if you have any questions! DonIago (talk) 15:36, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Ok I did that but I think the source might be broken. ChallengingAnthropocentrism (talk) 23:39, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

It looks like you brought over a copy of the citation that used an alias for the underlying reference instead of copying a full citation. You should be able to find the proper citation elsewhere in the source article. See the second paragraph under Wikipedia:Inline citation#Ref tags.

I won't revert you at this time, but please replace the named citation with the expanded one at your earliest convenience. DonIago (talk) 03:18, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Ok I will take care of it as soon as I can. ChallengingAnthropocentrism (talk) 07:19, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Bad Categories

FYI, I put up a request for additional input over here, but haven't gotten any responses:

Wikipedia_talk:Categorization#Categorizing_incidents_as_Massacre,_Mass_Murder,_Murder,_Crime,_or_Terrorism

I'll wait a few more days and if there aren't responses I'm planning on making a RFC to see if we can address this. That seems like a better approach than arguing in circles or edit-warring. Bob drobbs (talk) 19:19, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

I joined the discussion specifically because of the discussion you linked to up above. :)

That we should use the terms used by sources (unless somehow clearly erroneous) isn't rocket science, and I don't know why the other editor is being resistant to providing one or more sources that support their preferred terminology.

If anyone's mass-changing articles to use terms unsupported by sources then that merits a stronger warning, and possibly a notice at ANI if they've been warned to at least discuss the matter and are continuing with their edits while a discussion's occurring and they don't have a clear consensus supporting their perspective. DonIago (talk) 19:38, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

I do feel like there has been a systematic POV mass push to categorize Israeli attacks with things like a "massacre", "mass murder", "murder", "war crime" and "crime" even when they're not supported by sources.

Here's another example of many, many, of them: Hamama School bombing

I did start cleaning some of it up using the most conservative approach I could -- Only deleting these categories if _no_ sources mentioned them. Then Oneequalsequalsone reverted my changes on a number of pages.

But I couldn't find any rule which determines what should and should not go into a category.

I'm not an expert in wiki process, but wouldn't the next step be to do a RFC to see if we could come up with a clear bar for what should be included? Then move toward further action if people keep violating it? Bob drobbs (talk) 19:53, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Honestly, this is a subject area that I don't have much interest in getting involved with. The basic question about applying categories unsupported by the article was an easy one, but for broader-scale concerns I'd recommend reaching out to the appropriate WikiProjects to get the involvement of editors more familiar with the material. DonIago (talk) 19:57, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

In a few days then I might do that RFC and loop in people from appropriate wikiprojects. But in terms of categorization, can I get your feedback on what I'm thinking about asking in terms of a metric and if you think these options are reasonable to choose from?

- - - - -

There is at least the potential for POV pushing when categorizing things as Massacre, Mass Murder, Murder, Crime, or Terrorism. As such, what should the minimum bar before for including events in any of these categories?

A) If any editor feels they are appropriate

B) If at least one primary source describes it as such

C) If multiple primary sources describe it as such

D) If at least one secondary source describes it as such

E) If multiple secondary sources describe it as such

F) Other...

-- Bob drobbs (talk) 20:02, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

I don't think that's a bad start, but I think whatever you come up with should probably reference WP:CATV, and you should perhaps consider whether it's really necessary to supplement that. Which is to say, we already shouldn't be calling something a massacre if sources haven't described it thusly, which precludes categorizing it as such. DonIago (talk) 20:55, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Looking at that page, I don't think a RFC is necessary at all. All of that is useful, but perhaps mostly "defining":

"A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to..."

It seems pretty clear from this that if no sources mention "mass murder" or if a single person is quoted as saying "It was a massacre", then according to existing standards it doesn't belong in those categories.

And if people knowingly and willfully ignore policy, then I guess it can be escalated. Bob drobbs (talk) 21:06, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

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