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Nomination for deletion of Template:2012–13 UEFA Champions League group E standings

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Ukraine squad 2001 FIFA World Youth Championship

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June 2013

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Hey Aleksandr Grigoryev

I'm sending you this because you've made quite a few edits to the template namespace in the past couple of months. If I've got this wrong, or if I haven't but you're not interested in my request, don't worry; this is the only notice I'm sending out on the subject :).

So, as you know (or should know - we sent out a centralnotice and several watchlist notices) we're planning to deploy the VisualEditor on Monday, 1 July, as the default editor. For those of us who prefer markup editing, fear not; we'll still be able to use the markup editor, which isn't going anywhere.

What's important here, though, is that the VisualEditor features an interactive template inspector; you click an icon on a template and it shows you the parameters, the contents of those fields, and human-readable parameter names, along with descriptions of what each parameter does. Personally, I find this pretty awesome, and from Monday it's going to be heavily used, since, as said, the VisualEditor will become the default.

The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.

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July 2013

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August 2013

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Proposed deletion of Industrial Union of Donbas

The article Industrial Union of Donbas has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:N (notability), see WP:COMPANY criteria for company notability

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Ok, so before I waste our time with AfD, can you try to make this pass WP:COMPANY? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
I agree with you that it is probably notable, but still as written the article fails to show it. Can you find any mentions of the company in mainstream, reliable sources? Mainstream Ukrainian media would be enough. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:16, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Avanhard (Vorokhta)

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Nomination of Avanhard (Vorokhta) for deletion

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Место рождения Румянцева

Доброго времени суток. Брацлавское воеводство -- это ошибка или на каком-то источнике основано? -- Postoronniy-13 (talk) 15:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

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Barnstar

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Live Match Scores.

Hello, I noticed your edits on this page, However you are editing live scores which isn't acceptable on Wikipedia. Can you please wait until matches are over before submitting your edits. Thank You Skyblueshaun (talk) 17:28, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Live scores are updated during UEFA Europa League and UEFA Champions League matches. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 18:27, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

List of bobsleigh, luge, and skeleton tracks

Sorry for my slow reply, but I have replied to your comments at Talk:List of bobsleigh, luge, and skeleton tracks so that other editors can weigh in on the issue. Ravendrop 00:36, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox Ukrainian city of regional significance

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Lang-cz/sk

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Lang-pl/sk

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Re: Ukraine - Montenegro

Read the 2014 FIFA World Cup qualification (UEFA)#Tie-breaking criteria - GD is first, not results. 188.221.79.22 (talk) 21:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Go to [1] go to page 27 (type it in at the top), and look under number 6. GD is used first when teams are tied on points. 188.221.79.22 (talk) 21:29, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Template:2014 FIFA World Cup qualification – UEFA Group H

STOP ADDIGN WRONG COLOR NOW.

You have been reverted about 7 times now and should be blocked. Theoretically montenegro can still be 2nd. QED237 (talk) 21:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Please read the regulations here on page 25, and the article 2014 FIFA World Cup qualification#Tiebreakers, it is goal differential! QED237 (talk) 21:27, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
I responded on my talkpage. You seem to miss b).... QED237 (talk) 21:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

FIFA Tiebreak

1. goal difference in all group matches 2. greater number of goals scored in all group matches 3. greater number of points obtained in matches between the tied teams 4. goal difference in matches between the tied teams 5. greater number of goals scored in matches between the tied teams 6. greater number of away goals scored in matches between the tied teams if only two teams are tied

Ukraina - vpered! -andriy

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Respectful request for support

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This edit

this, source there so no complaint from me, but the sentence "The fact that police officers were intentionally carried out blows directly to head is shown on number of videos and photos." makes no sense to me.--Львівське (говорити) 22:11, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Веселих свят!

Бажаю Вам щасливих та веселих Свят і всього найкращого у Новому році! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:50, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Yakiv Lizogub

I see that in April you added Yakiv Lizogub in the list of hetmans. Since this is apparently the only hetman without an English Wikipedia article, I thought about creating an article about him. However, after having done some research, I see whatsoever no statements that he was indeed an appointed hetman. Whereas there was no hetman elected between 1733 and 1750, the authority was with "Правление гетманского уряда", which consisted of six members, and I do not even see any evidence that Lizogub was a part of it. Do you have any references which I can use to check this statement?--Ymblanter (talk) 21:21, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Central europe

Do you think Ukraine should be included in the central Europe article in the rankings?--89.128.236.143 (talk) 03:13, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Ukraine is way too big to include it in whole within the Central Europe, yet its western regions are definitely located there. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 15:13, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
The Geographical midpoint of Europe is no that far from Ukraine, and European Russia alone is 40% of all Europe. I think we should include Ukraine in central Europe. Geopolitically it is still tied to Russia, though, and religiously it is Orthodox. I suppose your proposition of West Ukraine is fair enough. We will see developments in the coming years, though.--89.128.236.143 (talk) 02:52, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Please do NOT bring up this old chestnut again. We've only come out from under masses of problems with unilateral category moves, etc. based on the mid-point of Europe argument (as well as other rationales). It simply doesn't wash and Wikipedia editors and administrators have lost their patience with such proposals. IP user 89.128.236.143, you're already aware of the Galicia move proposal as you've commented there. Please do not try to WP:CANVASS others in order to promote further disruptive editing. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:27, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Wow, Iryna, you are tracking on the issue way too good :). I do nonetheless believe that West Ukraine (including Halychyna) is part of the Central Europe. I also oppose to the Germanized name of Galicia for Halychyna. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 05:45, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

If you check my comments on the Galicia (which shouldn't be Galicia, anyway) I've been advocating for some form of 'it isn't really Eastern Europe'... Discussions on Western Ukraine as NOT Eastern Europe need to be allowed to cool off for a little while, though. Wikipedia admin are still irate about perceived POV push just having taken place (thanks to one silly woman who made a mess of things). The incident has pushed us several steps back. A little patience is needed... then baby steps when the time is right. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:58, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

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Death toll

Might help to coordinate together on this. How did you get 8-9 deaths from 5-6? I know KP and others are saying 4 shooting deaths now instead of the 2 we have on the page; what is the third? KP also says 5 total (not counting our november 1) so that would be 6-7 TOTAL. --Львівське (говорити) 20:46, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

English

I've noticed your English may not be the best so I'm just going to suggest that when making edits, just keep it simple and get all the facts in. We can figure out proper prose and flow later. Just a friendly tip --Львівське (говорити) 23:07, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Lvivske Not a very nice tip, but I can handle criticism. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:31, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
its just that sometimes the syntax of things gets crossed up in a way that reads weird in english. you add a lot of great stuff, just if things are down to the core it's easier to digest (and avoids any potential NPOV issues in the future). sorry if im coming off like a jerk! --Львівське (говорити) 23:59, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Lvivske, No, no. My English is not that perfect. No reason for apology. There is always room for improvement. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:06, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

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I know that you are watching for vandals, can you kindly watch this guy user talk:200.219.132.104. He is now under user talk:200.219.132.103 and still does destructive editing. Check his edits here and here and many where else. And over here someone gave him a right to revert, so he reverted a bot. Could you be so kind to intervene, as his edits look a lot like destruction.--Mishae (talk) 02:17, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Mishae, frankly, I am not such a good vandal watcher. I raise a flag every now and then. It does not seem that his actions are destructive, although are weird. It seems that he is correcting some code syntax to keep consistency. Did I miss anything? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:45, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Well, he put spaces after every carriage and that's his edits. He also substitutes RU and UK icons with (Russian and Ukrainian) which makes difficult to see which site is English and which isn't. According to WP:DEST his edits are considered to be unproductive and in some cases harmful since because of his mania to put spaces he sometimes deletes titles. More, he even substitutes cite news with Citation which makes no sense. Since I don't have revering tool I was forced manually to cite references as well as add those icons back in the Euromaidan article. I could have done more ref citations if not for this guy.--Mishae (talk) 02:57, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Mishae, let's address it with administrators for consideration. The articles are too big to track after all the changes and codes. Your concerns are valid and need to be addressed by somebody with bigger authority to prevent possible roll backs in future. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 03:13, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
I already let user @Kudpung: know, but I think he will be too busy to reply. See, on one hand he had a good edit such trans_title= for foreign articles but on the other hand he doesn't need to move the carriages back and forward and substitute already good text with something less appealing.--Mishae (talk) 03:19, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Mishae, have you posted the issue at WP:ANI? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 03:33, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, guess what? I went to ANI, the admin told me to post it to AVI (Also he mentioned that some of the IPs were from Brazil). I posted it to AVI and they removed my comment (twice) at the end saying that it doesn't belong to ANI! I thought that Wikipedia have measures against disruptive editing???!!! Like, do anybody at ANI consider the seriousness of this or its O.K. now to do edits like this without any consequence what so ever. Furthermore, a guy here mentioned about a destructive edit and at the same time says "I fixed it now, but it doesn't warrant a block" and sends a ref to a minor edit. This is ridiculous because I wasted posting those comments till 1 fucking am, trying to convince the admins (which I shouldn't even call them that anymore) to take action. And what's worse, it continues! And this, is after my revert. Although the edit is good overall substitution of Sfn for ref name= doesn't make any sense, also editing author link as Pope Paul VI instead of his biographer's name. Like I smell that his next edit will be here and what's the point?--Mishae (talk) 20:37, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Mishae, Kudpung gave you a good advice filing petition at the "Requests for page protection". That way it would be possible to establish some control over the page. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Mishae, yea, it is pretty frustrating. I apologize for sending you there. I will try to address it with Russian administrators such as Ezhiki, may be it will be more productive. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:36, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
You know, what's even worse? Is that I reported them not 1, not 2, but 4 IP addresses which were doing the same edits from Brazil and one more from somewhere else. I'm shocked that while other users receive at least a thank you (let alone a barnstar), I get ignored by the whole Wikipedia community regarding disruptive editing, which as we all know is a no-no here.--Mishae (talk) 20:46, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Mishae, are you following on your posts at ANI or AVI? What is the section title? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:56, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

O.K. I requested a protection on most of them. Lets see what gonna happen.--Mishae (talk) 20:58, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Link one and Link two both of which were from AVI.--Mishae (talk) 21:00, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Well, no one commented on the protection. Wonder why?--Mishae (talk) 00:00, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Well guess what? Our smart admins at the page protection thing assumed that I wanted talkpages to be protected! I think user Callanecc thinks that I am a complete idiot! What's worse in the past 6 hours +, not a living soul said anything about our post at ANI, and even Ezhiki didn't responded! Argh!!!!--Mishae (talk) 05:44, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

russian involvement?

do you want to start a new article on russian involvement in euromaidan? --Львівське (говорити) 20:47, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

No. Lvivske why did you ask me that? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:55, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
you seemed interested in the topic. it's something i'm planning in the future. --Львівське (говорити) 20:58, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Lvivske, I do not see there enough information on that matter. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:07, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

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Boguslavmandzyuk I reentered all the information back and placed reference to the players profile at FFU. I do not really understand what those people are talking about. In the external links section is player's profile at FFU. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 19:02, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

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theres a dispute which requires translation. can you help? here --Львівське (говорити) 05:40, 18 February 2014 (UTC) can you comment on the recent edit? user is basically saying the opposite and reverting, that the innocent clean city people were attacked by euromaidan for no reason --Львівське (говорити) 02:21, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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I don't know about which weird stuff you are talking about. Apparently I was citing references that user Lvivske put in, and due to edit conflict put the old version in. Then I went to bed since it was 1:21 am and didn't have time to remove the weird stuff. Sorry if I forgot to notify you about it. Don't blame me for something that other editors do. I'm just an archivist and dead link fixer.--Mishae (talk) 15:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

sorry, I have not seen that article, but will be happy to join the discussion once I finish citing bare urls.--Mishae (talk) 15:19, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

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Did you see my question above? Let me know if you want to proceed with the mediation. Sunray (talk) 17:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Sunray, thank you on following up with your inquiry. Frankly, I did not see your question above. Nonetheless, it seems that the argument was partially settled. My issue was in regards to claims that were not correctly interpreted by some foreign media during the period of time and references of which ended up in wikipedia as affirmative statements. After checking the information I asked to have those claims removed until further clarification. That argument is listed at the talk page of the mentioned article. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Based on your comments, I will reject the mediation. If you need to restart it, you may file again any time. Sunray (talk) 00:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Sunray, once again, great job on following up. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 01:07, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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Crimea stuff

I'm so tired, man. So so tired. --Львівське (говорити) 15:57, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Lvivske, what happened? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:22, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
referendum article is vandalized by IPs, pro-Russian editors pushing propaganda left and right on right sector and other euromaidan related articles. Wiki is a mess. --Львівське (говорити) 16:40, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Lvivske, hold your ground, man :) Just kidding. Give it a rest for a day and then come back to check on it. You will notice that some other people will correct any obvious lies. I agree that a lot of information even from Anglophone editors is slanted towards the Kremlin rather than Kiev. Ukraine is now harvesting the fruits of the Yanukovych regime which completely and effectively destroyed the Ukrainian national security policy. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:24, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Lvivske, be aware of the User:Orestes1984, he is the Kremlin's troll. He supports the separatist government of Crimea and accuses Ukraine in persecution of Crimeans. Look at my argument with him at Talk:Crimean referendum, 2014. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:44, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
speaking of 'Kremlin trolls', please take a look at this user's diff, he's been on a smear campaign for some time; I've caught him using banned sources (ie. wikipedia banned them and he used them anyway). --Львівське (говорити) 04:54, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Orestes is currently blocked indefinitely by User:John. You might want to keep your eyes open for his sockpuppets Alex Bakharev (talk) 06:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Darouet seems to be quite an active editor involved in many things other than Ukrainian-Russian relations. He seems to hold quite strong opinions about Svoboda and Right Sector that make him do edits that probably violate WP:BLP, WP:NPOV and similar policies. Still, please, avoid labeling him a Kremlin troll, it is unfair and it might be considered a personal attack. Alex Bakharev (talk) 06:18, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I've received my own share of personal attacks from that direction so I can only assume hostilities, unfortunately. Maybe 'kremlin troll' isnt the best descriptor though.--Львівське (говорити) 16:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Alex Bakharev, ok. Thanks, for your intervention. There simply a lot of stuff being provided without proper verification and as a fact. I read the Russian article on the newly created Republic of Crimea that is based on some chauvinistic sources that from get go assume Ukraine as an enemy, in regards to the 1991 All-Crimean referendum. Please, understand me. I agree that labeling people in the way I did may be is an overreaction. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 14:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

was this content inserted into an english article? --Львівське (говорити) 16:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
To Lvivske, no, not at that time. But things like that take place if not sooner then later. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:34, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Alexander and Lvivske, I can only guess what you are feeling at the moment living in Ukraine. All the best wishes to you. Just try to keep cool onwiki despite all the provocations, in wikipedia environment impulse actions do not help. And yes, admins can act on personal attacks and obvious trolling if they are pointed too. Alex Bakharev (talk) 20:23, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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Regarding the Arbitration case request

Have you tried going to WP:ANI? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 23:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Callanecc, I just posted it. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:12, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
In which case would you consider removing it as a case requests until the community has a chance to deal with it? Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 23:14, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
I've removed it as a case request pending the outcome of the ANI thread. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 23:28, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

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Aleksandr Grigoryev: Could you please help me and support me with my proposed changes to 2014 Crimean crisis? I'm not very experienced in Wikipedia. I formulated some critical comments in the Talk section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2014_Crimean_crisis#About_some_legal_aspects. It seems to me that many things in the article were written from pro-Yanukovych/pro-Putin positions and mislead readers. More objective facts should be presented. I'm sure many people around the world are reading this article now, and objectivity is very important. Буду дуже вдячний!

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Polling tables in Ukrainian presidential election, 2014

The edit summaries are too short, and apparently I'm not explaining this properly.

There are two separate tables because PoR has not decided on a candidate.

At first, pollsters polled incumbent President Victor Yanukovych as the PoR candidate (who was generally presumed to be the PoR candidate again for obvious reasons.) After the Ukrainian revolution Yanukovych was still eligible to run again. Yanukovych is allowed to run for President. Yanukovych chose not to run in the new elections labeling them illegitimate, so he hasn't been polled recently.

In his place, some pollsters are polling Tihipko (who is generally considered the most likely PoR candidate.)

The tables, however, are not strictly chronological. One is of polls that suppose Yanukovych is the PoR candidate, and one is for polls that suppose Tihipko is the PoR candidate.

There is no confirmed PoR candidate, if someone other than Tihipko is the PoR candidate we will need a third table because there is no room for them in the Tihipko table. It is not a table for all post-Revolution polls, just like the Yanukovych table is not a table for all pre-Revolution polls.

They are both for all polls from before or after the Revolution that suppose Yanukovych or Tihipko respectively are the PoR candidate.

And anyways, if they are generally chronological right now, the date that divides them would be the one when Yanukovych stated he would not run, not the date he was removed from power.

Please stop changing it to say they are for pre/post Revolution polls. That's not what the tables are. --4idaho (talk) 18:48, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

4idaho, since when Ukrainian elections are about the Party of Regions only or either Yanukovych or Tihipko? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 19:41, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
They're not. But there are no other parties have a situation like that. If there were two major candidates being polled as, lets say, Fatherland's candidate, obviously we would want to find a way to include polls including both of them in the article, right? --4idaho (talk) 20:01, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
4idaho, so you chose to categorize in reference to party situation. Why not time period such as the Ukrainian version? It seems more apolitical, would not you find? Yanukovych is being listed in the wanted list by Interpol. How do you think it is possible for him to run for the president of Ukraine? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:23, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
What do you mean how is it possible? The government invited him to run in the election!
As to why not divide the table by time, why would the table need to be divided at all? The tables already have the polls presented chronologically -- newer polls go at the top. There's no need to divide the tables based on "time period."
There's more than one table because pollsters haven't always polled the same sets of candidates.
And, by the way, presenting polls with a variety of candidates is done on every other election article. Go to the article for opinion polling for the next US presidential election (or the French presidential election, ect.), and there are polls for a variety of different sets of candidates -- because the pollsters poll a variety of different candidates.
I honestly don't understand how you think it's somehow "biased." --4idaho (talk) 01:09, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
4idaho, Yanukovych announced that he is not running on March 11, 2014, but no one polls him since the end of February of 2014. Tihipko was considered as a major representative of the Party of Regions since then, while Yanukovych is on the wanted listed in suspicion of mass killing. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 04:07, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
How does this have any bearing on this conversation? I don't understand. What we're talking about is what to name the sub-headings in the opinion polling section on the article. You haven't explained why you think the way it's done now is "biased."
Yes, at one point Yanukovych was considered the presumptive PoR candidate and most pollsters polled him. Currently, most pollsters poll Tihipko. Tihipko is not, however, the official PoR candidate, and a number of other PoR members are listed as potential candidates in the article. Tihipko is generally being polled, but he is far from guaranteed to be the PoR candidate.
In my opinion, the current headings are descriptive. One table has polls with Yanukovych. One has polls with Tihipko. If there emerges a different set of plausible candidates in the future, whoever they are or whatever party they belong to, we'd want to include those. How is that "biased" or why it should be changed?
I'm honestly not opposed to changing the format. But I would appreciate if you would stop insinuating my editing is biased somehow, and instead actually address the issue of the format and why or how it should be changed. --4idaho (talk) 13:11, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
4idaho, first of all do not try to ridicule this argument more than it is already. Second of all previously you denied the fact that polls are chronological. That simply does not make any sense, because the whole purpose of the polls in the article is to show how opinions change in regards to candidates over time. Third of all you still did not provide real arguments why subsections of opinion polls should be named after politicians of a certain political party, towards which you seems to be strongly affectionate. How are they (subsections) "descriptive"? If one sub-section named "with Tihipko" contains information with such candidate over certain period of time, another sub-section with Yanukovych should cover the same period of time, but with now different candidate. Is that your description? How is that not ambiguous? The name of the section is "opinion polls", not "Party of Regions" struggle before elections. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 19:54, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Chronological within themselves. I.e. there are two tables, each table has polls presented in chronological order, but the tables do not necessarily follow each other. I.e. one table does not pick up where the other table leaves off.
And if even if they are generally chronological (in the sense that Tihipko has usually been polled since after pollsters stopped polling Yanukovych), the correct date to divide them would be the date that Yanukovych said he wouldn't run in the new elections, not the day he was removed from power (like you did, when you edited the article.)
Now I'll repeat myself that I am not necessarily opposed to changing the headings. I was opposed to what you changed the headings to when you edited the article.
As to my opinion on the headings, I think they're fine the the way they are (although, again, I'm not necessarily opposed to changing them if you have a reasonable alternative.) The section is titled "opinion polls", and having a sub-section titled "with Tihipko" seems to fairly clearly indicate that subsection is for polls with Tihipko included, although you may think it implies something else? --4idaho (talk) 03:19, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
4idaho, the problem is that you do not want to listen to me. When did Yanukovych announced that he will not run for President? March 11. Now, what did you say in that regard? Quoting: And if even if they are generally chronological (in the sense that Tihipko has usually been polled since after pollsters stopped polling Yanukovych), the correct date to divide them would be the date that Yanukovych said he wouldn't run in the new elections, not the day he was removed from power (like you did, when you edited the article.) Now. You are right about that Tihipko was polled since after pollsters stopped polling Yanukovych. But, was that before the Yanukkovych's announcement? No, it was not. In fact, the Yanukovych's announcement appeared almost half a month thereafter.
Also, to stop all the doubt whether or not those tables in chronological order. Did you see the table under your sub-section "With Yanukovych"? There are some breaking heading 2012, 2013, 2014. Also, the latest opinion poll with Yanukovych was conducted late in January of 2014 where it is left off following (rather preceding) by with Tihipko which contains polls for March 2014.
My headings might not be the best therefore I offered to change them to the time reference. But, do you even remember that? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 03:52, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
With all do respect, your english isn't the best. You also divided them by "time period" (before/after Revolution.) When you talk about dividing them by "time period" it's not all clear to me that you mean dividing them the way I had suggested. I did read it, I just misunderstood it.
As to the one table picking up several months later March 2014, that's sort of been my point the entire time. Yanukovych's removal from power and subsequent announcement he wouldn't run is not directly correlated with Tihipko becoming a leading figure in PoR and getting polled as their potential candidate. You can't really pick any one day and say that's the day when Yanukovych stopped being PoR leading figure and Tihipko became it.
That's why when I created the section and put all the opinion polls in I simply divided the sub-sections the way I did. It seemed the most simple way to do it at the time.
That said, again, I have to objection to them being changed. I only objected to them being divided as "before/after Revolution." What do you suggest the heading be changed to then? If the plan is to do it along before/after Yanukovych signaled he wouldn't run. --4idaho (talk) 22:49, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
4idaho, thanks, for stepping down. I also want to mention that the polls with Yanukovych were for different election. Is not that so? Originally scheduled for 2015, it was moved to spring of 2014 after the Revolution and revival of the 2004 constitutional amendments. Right? I think that would be a good pivotal point. It happened so that many changes occurred among which was the public consideration for candidates. But, one should be aware that polls do not state or imply that Yanukovych does not have a right to participate in elections. They are perception of social opinion. More concrete situation in regards to the leader of the Party of Regions would be after the upcoming party's congress. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:42, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I disagree, the Revolution is certainly a key event of the election but it doesn't have a direct correlation with opinion polling so it doesn't make sense to me to divide the table based on that.
I've been thinking, but would you think of having a table like the one for Opinion polling for the French presidential election, 2012. As you can see, in the early polls a variety of candidates from the same party are polled but it's all done in one table. So in other words it would look like this, with no dividing the section:
Date Polling Firm Others Lead
Yanukovych
PoR 		Tihipko
PoR 		Klitschko
UDAR 		Tymoshenko
Batkivshchyna 		Tyahnybok
Svoboda 		Symonenko
CPU 		Poroshenko
Independent
1–6 Mar Social Monitoring Centre – 11.4 14.2 15.5 3.7 6.4 13.7 3.0 1.3
25 Feb–4 Mar SOCIS – 9.6 21.3 14.1 3.6 6.4 30.9 14.3 9.6
28 Feb–3 Mar KIIS[a] – 13.3 20.1 13.9 2.8 8.3 32.8 8.8 12.7
24 Jan–1 Feb SOCIS 29.2 – 22.8 19.1 2.8 4.3 15.9 6.0 6.4
17–26 Jan SOCIS 29.5 – 21.6 20.8 4.7 5.7 13.0 4.6 7.9
2014
23–27 Dec R&B Group[a] 36.0 – 19.9 11.2 5.7 5.4 11.0 10.7 16.1
7–17 Dec RATING[a] 28.2 – 22.7 23.2 5.5 6.3 8.0 6.1 5.0
26 Oct–8 Nov IFES[a][b] 31.0 – 30.0 17.0 6.0 9.0 – 7.0 1.0
30 Sep–8 Oct Razumkov Centre[a] 26.3 – 20.9 18.1 5.1 7.7 4.1 17.8 5.4
26 Sep–6 Oct RATING[a][b] 28.0 – 25.0 22.0 8.0 8.0 2.0 6.0 3.0
15–25 Sep R&B Group[a] 32.5 – 18.3 17.0 4.8 7.7 5.0 14.7 14.2
21–30 May KIIS[a] 27.2 – 30.2 – 11.0 7.0 – 24.6 3.0
2013
21–24 Dec Razumkov Centre[a] 32.6 – 16.6 18.6 7.4 8.8 – 16.0 14.0
2012
17 Jan 2010 Election Results 35.3 13.1 – 25.1 1.4 3.5 – 34.7 10.2
Notes
  1. ^ a b c d e f g h i This survey shows its poll results without disregarding those who are undecided or said they will abstain from voting (either physically or by voting blank). In order to obtain results comparable to other surveys and the official election results, the result shown in this table will be that obtained, with a simple rule of three, from disregarding undecided and/or abstaining voters from the totals offered in the survey.
  2. ^ a b Some opinion polls round their data so that in the end up showing a .0 or a .5 value. This practise is maintained for these polls when disregarding undecided and/or abstaining voters from the totals so as to avoid different interpretations of the same value.


Would you be OK with this? I now think this would be the simplest way to do it. After all, there's no need to divide the table if we don't have to. --4idaho (talk) 19:42, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
4idaho, that is fine. As a comment, I want again to point out the fact that the elections for which Yanukovych was polled were for 2015 (originally) rather than 2014. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:17, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
That's true, but elections are often rescheduled, I don't think anything special is usually done in that case. Since you're fine with it, I went ahead and implemented it in the article. --4idaho (talk) 20:30, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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Hi I see that you have created the cat:Turkic countries and territories. Thanks for your efforts. But it so happens that there is another cat :Autonomous Turkic states which is almost identical. Do you consider redirecting the newly created cat ? Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 20:09, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Nedim Ardoğa, it is not consistent with such categories like Category:Germanic countries and territories. I think Category:Turkic states should be reformed (or redirected) into Category:Turkic countries and territories that would contain other political polities. Category:Autonomous Turkic states also should be changed as it contain subnational territories which are not states per se but rather autonomous territories. There should be some system with categorization common and consistent throughout different subjects. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:03, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hi :) I'll ask you for a little help. Tell me please what resources you used (back in 2011) to write English names for all those 'zakazniks' and Co. Wiki Loves Earth is coming and I need to know what translations are really reliable. As there are thousands of them ((. Thanks for the answer -- Ата (talk) 20:05, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Ата, That one, but it is in Ukrainian. Also, most of them are not "zakazniks" per se. The most important nature preserves are called "zapavedniks" which are roughly translated as sanctuaries (or nature preserves). Zakazniks are smaller and more specialized to certain habitat or species, I might be mistaken, though. English interpretations were originally done by myself, but with times they were adjusted by other users, I think. There is no official single English language source for all the Nature Preservation Fund (PZF). Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:20, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
We have an article on zapovednik, and at least in Russia we traditionally translate them as nature reserves, see e.g. Rdeysky Nature Reserve. I guess in Ukraine whatever name comes most often in Wikipedia should be used.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:25, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Ата, my original intention was to come up with a system which would be incorporated in infoboxes and would be consistent with similar systems in other countries. But due to the amount missing information, lack of time, and uncertainty in regards to some technical interpretations the whole process stalled half way through. Nonetheless, I think I set a great foundation to expand on the Nature Preservation Fund in Ukraine. What do you think? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Ymblanter, well. I could not really find an explanation on the whole system of the nature preservation fund in Russia. Certainly, there is much greater amount of space available to have more all those zakazniks, zapavedniks and other stuff. I tried to find some systematization. So, I ran across some legislative documents from Ukraine, ministerial websites, some tourism agency websites as well as flipping back and forth to the Ukrainian variant to pull up all the info. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
In Russia, at the federal level we have mainly national parks (see Nizhnyaya Kama National Park as an example, zapovedniks, and federal zakazniks (see Remdovsky Zakaznik). This is somewhat explained in the law [3] but essentially they differ by the amount of allowed activities. However, since we are only talking about translations, National parks are National Parks, zapovedniks are Nature Reserves, and zakazniks are zakazniks. I guess Ukraine is similar.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:39, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Ymblanter, yep, it is about right. I also thought to relate zakazniks with the 4th IUCN protected area category, but then I also placed them outside of that categorization. So, I am not certain how those could be really synchronized with IUCN. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Ymblanter, also, unlike in Russia, Ukraine does not have federal zakazniks as it is a unitary state, first of all, and second, all zakazniks are kept at regional levels and similar to a landscape park often constitute part of bigger preserves or natural parks. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:54, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
All the articles I created I put into category III, presumably because someone did that before me, but I do not have sources for this.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:55, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

There is no official single English language source for all the Nature Preservation Fund (PZF), you say and this makes me sad . If you can, please, have a look at how we agreed to name categories for WLE images. We used this your article for that (thanks a lot, for it helps). -- Ата (talk) 10:32, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Ата, thank you for invitation. Please, take a look at my edits on the talk page you provided. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:45, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

UA Subdivision Templates + Kirovohrad Oblast

I left my responses to the subdivision topic on my talk page.. Anyways, if you could take a look at Talk:Kirovohrad Oblast, there is a rogue move request going around to change (only some of the) Kirovohrad Oblast articles to a lowercase variant Kirovohrad oblast. That isn't the right way to propose a move at all, since it should be discussed prior, especially since consensus in the past has established the current naming scheme. § DDima 15:40, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

removing gubarev

gubarev is the 'peoples governor', why did you remove this? it's entirely citable, they're in there wearing 'free gubarev' shirts and holding gooby signs --Львівське (говорити) 19:57, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Lvivske, show me sources citing that gubarev was elected governor of the Donetsk People's Republic. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:03, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
He's the leader of the movement and governor, that he's not governor of the republic since he's in jail is splitting hairs. ref --Львівське (говорити) 20:06, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Lvivske, the article you provided states that he is the governor of Donetsk Oblast, not Donetsk People's Republic. Is Donetsk People's Republic the same as Donetsk Oblast? Where is consistency? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:28, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't say that, just governor of Donetsk, as you know, the DPR claims all of Donetsk Oblast.--Львівське (говорити) 21:07, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Lvivske, where is consistency? Is that a fact that supporters of Gubarev created DPR? Whatever the case may be there is still inconsistency. The "Donetsk People's Council" (gathering - "strelka") did not elect no governor, so claiming Gubarev the governor is speculative and is not explicitly supported. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:23, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

V. Konstantinov

While Ukr. Rada really dissolved Crimean one, Konstantinov and his parliament (or "so-called parliament") in fact continues (this is comparable to Yeltsin presidency between 21 September, when he was formally impeached by SC & Congr. but had managed to retain actual political power and 12 December 1993, when, with ratification of new Constitution, voters also ratified provision that "The President of the Russian Federation, elected according to the Constitution (Fundamental Law) of the Russian Federation - Russia, since the given Constitution comes into force, since carry out the powers fixed in it until the term of office for which he was elected expires.", i.e. cancelled early elections and prolonged Y.'s term to 1996), and it cannot be ignored. I think, we shall give both dates: dissolution by Ukr. Rada and 17 March (when Supr. Council was renamed to State Council, and Chairman position with it). Seryo93 (talk) 05:45, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Seryo93, have you read the first paragraph about the Crimean council about that it follows the Constitution of Ukraine and the Constitution of Crimea??? Renaming of the council does not make it legal neither. If the council was dissolved, it could not even recognize the phoney referendum because it directly contradicts the law on which the council is based. Look at the composition of the council. Since when the Communist Party of Ukraine or the People's Movement of Ukraine became parties of the Russian Federation??? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 12:47, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Seryo93, the UN General Assembly did not recognize secession of Crimea therefore the so-called has no legal jurisdiction. After the dissolution the council became a private organization of Konstantinov. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 12:53, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I already metioned, that V. Kon. is de facto chairman (although Kosovo Assembly also violated Serbian law, btw) of de facto entity (Republic of Crimea). And yes, you're right, Ukr. parties aren't parties of Russia, but their deputies in VS/VRARC are de facto deputies in the RoC de facto parliament (per this and this). I'm not pretend that this parliament in unquestioned (it's under territorial dispute), but it has actual (de facto) power, backed by RF. Maybe a a separate article helps differentiate this from VRARC? Seryo93 (talk) 12:56, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
And BTW, Kosovo is unrecognised by UN too (not a member state), therefore it has no jurisdiction too. Sovnarkom was private organisation (gang) in relation to Russian Empire/Republic, but it held actual power. Seryo93 (talk) 12:56, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Seryo93, Kosovo was a federative subject of both Yugoslavia and Serbia, Crimea was not a federal subject but rather a regional council. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 12:59, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Seryo93, Sovnarkom was at least sanctioned by a legal document. No such documents exist for neither government institution in Crimea. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 13:07, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
It was sanctioned (i.e recognised by other states, because other Russian institutions, that can recognise it, such as Duma, or Prov. Gov't., or monarch etc. ceased to function - that is, were overthrown either by Bolsheviks (Prov. Gov't), or their February predecessors (Tsar, later also Duma)) sometimes (in fact decades, in terms of recognition of Soviet state by other sovereign states, with USA (last power) recognising USSR only in 1933) later. Future is constantly changing, and who knows, maybe RoC will be recognised (but this is VERY unlikely now, I agree). Seryo93 (talk) 13:11, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
And Serbian constitution (2006) stated/implied that it has no right to seccede ("inseparable part", smiliar to ARC within UA constitutional framework), moreover Serbia is unitary state with autonomies (similar to UA), unlike (S)FRY and S.&Mont., which were federal or (later entity) confederal. Yes, it's regional council, without constitutional right to seccede, I'm admit that. Revolution, btw. I think, that Supreme Council of Crimea must be about Ukrainian perspective, with some info about it's (questioned) activity in 15-17 March, as it with the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, while State Council of Crimea (or corresponding section in the Republic of Crimea article) may be about de facto entity (like Republic of Crimea), proclaimed on 17 March. Seryo93 (talk) 13:08, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Seryo93, few question. Was Kosovo a federal subject of Serbia? Was Crimea a federal subject of Ukraine? And why are jumping from one argument to another? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 13:15, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Neither were federal subjects (because their host states aren't federations). I'm not objected if we say that this activity is going against Ukrainian laws (it's obvious fact), but neither we can ignore their actual authority. See also Sevastopol, where it's stated about de facto control (Russia) and de facto Governor (Chaliy). Seryo93 (talk) 13:18, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Seryo93, subordination of the Supreme Council of Crimea to the Ukrainian parliament is prescribed in the Constitution of Ukraine, which is not the fact in regards to Kosovo. Whatever there is in Crimea right now does not correspond to any existing laws neither Constitution of Ukraine, Constitution of Crimea, or international laws. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 13:44, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Seryo93, when Bolsheviks created their Sovnarkom, they at least released their decree explaining functioning of one and dissolved the previous government institutions. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 13:46, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Seryo93, a new Constitution of Crimea is scheduled to be adopted on April 11, 2014 (Constitution annexed Crimea is being prepared in secret mode). That could be at least some type of groundwork for legitimacy of the State Council of Crimea. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 13:54, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Until adaptation of the new constitution the parliament of Crimea cannot be treated other than NGO or private organization. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 13:56, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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Svyatoslav Piskun

Hi, I don't know which of the Alexes will come to the rescue (you or Bakharev) but I added some quotes in the above article and would like to know if I over did it (at least I feel that I did one too many). If its not hard can you see if this and a section on Crimea wont add undue weight to the subject (I have an issue when it comes to determine what is due and what is not). Many thanks in advance.--Mishae (talk) 04:44, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Mishae, I think it is too many for an article of this size. However, I do admit that those quotes are worth of mentioning. May be they ought to be incorporated in the related articles? Also, I frankly indifferent as long as the article does not carry information without a clear support. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 04:53, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
What related articles? There are many articles on the current situation in Ukraine. Also, what clear support are you talking about? The article carry references, so its not a baseless claim, is it? Please specify your meaning. If you want to move them to another articles, feel free, I wont revert. I'm only in support to make balanced and unbiased article. My aim here was just an expansion, because the current person wasn't updated since December 29, 2012. Sure there were minor updates of infobox and bot fixes, but the whole 2013 went amiss.--Mishae (talk) 17:07, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Mishae, I apologize for being ambiguous. For I meant is that if Piskun commented on any matter, those comments probably would look with the articles for those specific matters such as the 2014 Crimean crisis. Those comments could be added as part of highlights on margins for those articles. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 22:21, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
O.K. Will it go under Reactions from Ukraine and Russia?--Mishae (talk) 22:32, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Mishae, that is fine. It kind of disclosing Piskun's civil position on various matters. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 22:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Keep an eye out..

Here comes the slew of people renaming articles from Ukrainian to Russian all of a sudden. (Talk:Sloviansk just for starters, but I'm sure there will be more) § DDima 05:52, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Yekaterina Gubareva

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Yevhen Shcherban

The article on Yevhen Shcherban has a statement that does not make sense. I went through the edit history and found that you were the person who added it in 2012.[4] What I suspect happened is that you missed out some words and did not notice. The sentence in question is:

However, the assassination of People's Deputy of Ukraine became the most noticeable.

I suspect that you meant: "However, the assassination of Shcherban became the most noticeable, because he was a People's Deputy of Ukraine." Please could you have a look at this.--Toddy1 (talk) 17:05, 20 April 2014 (UTC) Toddy1, well, I meant to say "However, assassination of the People's Deputy of Ukraine....". But I guess you may rephrase it the same way as you did. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:02, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, I'm Dsprc. Aleksandr Grigoryev, thanks for creating Highway M17 (Ukraine)!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. The colors used in the article may not meet guidelines for readability or WP:CONTRAST

I would like to change these two templates [1] [2] because the colors and contrast make them difficult to read. I noticed you selected the current color scheme for them some time ago; is there a reason for them to be this color (other than a close approximation of national colors)? Dsprc (talk) 03:52, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Dsprc, please, check changes that I have made. The reason was probably the fact that blue color was an established among road identification signs. Webcolors scheme interpret the blue color very bright, so now I changed it to more relaxing to an eye. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 12:20, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Hey, thanks. This is much better. :) Dsprc (talk) 04:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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It seems we may have to make a new article just for the Ukrainian / western scholarly supported side of things as Polish editors won't allow Ukrainian historiography to be on "their" article, which is unfortunate. --LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 20:28, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Lvivske, that article is written purely from the Polish ethnocentric point of view. Just look at all the references for the article. Most of them are in Polish and almost none in Ukrainian. How is that balanced evaluation? The article portrays the viewpoint of Polish community and is not necessary the universal point of view. The tragedy took place in the wake of the Operation Tempest when Polish and Soviet forces ganged up against the Ukrainian resistance. There is no need to introduce a new article if the subject is one and the same, but portrayal of all points of view is valuable as it explains the Ukrainian-Polish cultural and ethnic relationships. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:02, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I fully agree that its POV driven and one sided. As you can see on the talk page, I tried to provide balance and suggested the name was POV, but was shot down and reverted. I was then told that if I wanted a neutral article (one that showed it as a two-sided conflict, to go make a new article). This is WP:OWN as well as NPOV. I'm all ears on what you think should be done, its been a longstanding issue for me and the battles on that page were huge headaches.--LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 00:05, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Lvivske, have you read the introductory paragraph? Do you remember how RGloucher protested when I called the Russians in Ukraine terrorists? Now, I think RGloucher simply is obligated to look at this article which labels the Ukrainian Insurgent Army as one that conducted ethnic cleansing. Now, if those Russian were actually recognized as terrorists by the Ukrainian authorities, there were no official claims except the opinion of some historians in regard to the ethnic cleansing conducted by the Ukrainian resistance. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:35, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
So, it makes at least two issues with the article WP:OWN and WP:LABEL. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:36, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Lvivske, moreover, check the references that accuse the Ukrainian Insurgent Army in ethnic cleansing. Two of them are dead link. Snyder does mention about intentions of the Army to cleanse the Western Ukraine from Poles, but he does not seem to e accusing UPA in the Volhynian "massacre" (at least at the reference given). Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:55, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
A similar thing is taken place right now in the eastern Ukraine against ethnic Ukrainians (maybe in less numbers). No one accuses the "Donbas militia" or "Crimea self-defense" in ethnic cleansing. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I dont think ethnic cleansing is an incorrect label, but my research does indicate that it was mutual and possibly started by the Polish. My main gripe is that the Ukrainian losses are covered up on the article and the possible two-sided nature of the conflict is covered up, which makes it a non neutral article. I also don't care for the title, as it seems to be original research and POV. --LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 02:52, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

All is right, but just having accusation of somebody in the very first sentence is something like very important. Don't you think? It looks like the author of the article really wants the reader to notice that. The whole issue is controversial. The evaluation who started and did more harm is not so clear. The article feels as the author tries to find facts accusing somebody of something. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Fall of the monument to Lenin in Kiev new info

I'm wondering if the info that I added into the above article is worth of mentioning. My addition doesn't deserve a separate article I think, since I found only 2 refs mentioning of the event. It might be related to that article as a half a year later aftermath. Your or @Lvivske:'s opinion will be very important.--Mishae (talk) 01:25, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

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Arsenal Kyiv reformed

Please do not delete the modification of the reformed club Arsenal Kyiv. Their official web site gives enough reference that they are inheriting the past history of Arsenal Kyiv. See История киевского «Арсенала» and live with it. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 02:12, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Brudder Andrusha, I do not see how the revived club is related to previous club. The fact that the new Arsenal decided to "inherent" the past history does not necessary makes it one and the same club. The previous Arsenal was introduced by the Arsenal factory, the contemporary Arsenal was introduced by city's authorities. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 08:07, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
We have many instances of clubs that have been reformed and have assumed the history of different clubs. Not just in Ukraine but in other countries. Look at the entry for FC Lviv. Accept it and move on and stop creating nonsensical divergence where it is unnecessary. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 12:01, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Bad example. FC Lviv never assumed history of different club. It did assumed the same name (generic), but never claimed the heritage of its predecessor. The article had to be split and that is what I tried to do, but someone else insisted that it is way too confusing. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 12:30, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
You want a better example... How about Rangers F.C.? Here you have a team, that definitely is not the same club and you will have a hard time convincing that the article needs to be split up. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 12:36, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
You can also add FC Oleksandriya and FC Zirka Kirovohrad. And I have stubbed FC Obolon Kyiv - FC Obolon-Brovar Kyiv for merging. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 12:40, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
By the way, when are we going to merge those Obolon articles? :) It is clear that the two teams have clear connection. The case with Obolon is exactly the same as with Rangers, no doubt in it. About Zirka Kirovohrad, if you read the article carefully, you will find information about how the current club relates to its predecessor. About Oleksandriya, it is the same case as with Obolon. However after the merger with UkrAhroKom, now the club lays its claims to the heritage of FC Shakhtar Oleksandriya, while before that Polihraftekhnika nor PFC Olexandria did not do that. Arsenal Kyiv of 1925 was based on the team of the Arsenal factory, while the Arsenal Kyiv of 2001 was transformed and totally based on CSKA Kyiv. The new Arsenal was even playing at Kolos Stadium in Boryspil for quite some time, thus, tracing its heritage to FC Boryspil more than to 1925 Arsenal Kyiv. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 12:58, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Brudder Andrusha, I promise not to delete your modifications to the article until I find concrete information that proves that one club is not related to another. I do not argue that the newly reformed club could trace its roots to FC Arsenal Kyiv of 2001. The article will stay consolidated as in case with FC Lviv. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 13:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
OK, but if you have a look at the new Arsenal Kyiv website for upcoming Arsenal Kyiv - Obolon-Brovar-2 Kyiv game the pictures of the stadium for the advertisement looks like the old venues where Arsenal Kyiv played again FC Obolon Kyiv from the past. Hmmmmm! Also this club has taken over the youth sports school and youth teams which were under the old Arsenal Kyiv umbrella - So they did not die! If in the future there is divergence then we will need to revisit. Later. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 13:31, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, if you would follow the Kiev city championship, you could see that Arsenal Kyiv had quite extensive football academy with several teams participating at different age categories. So, it is possible that it continues to compete on amateur level (city championship). The Kiev city competition also has another quite famous club from the past FC Lokomotyv Kyiv. I am not certain of its relationship to its Soviet predecessor. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:19, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

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You just added a fact about Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 to War in Donbass. Whilst there is no doubt about the sourcing or the content, I do not think it belongs there. That article isn't about the shoot-down, and the shoot-down article deals with that issue in depth. The summary should be very short and brief, and I believe the addition of that sentence would be considered WP:UNDUE in this context. Please consider removing that sentence, and perhaps contributing to the shoot-down article. RGloucester — ☎ 23:22, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much. We have to be vigilant in our editing, these days, with POV pushers abound. RGloucester — ☎ 23:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
RGloucester, my apologies for extra hassle and thank you for leading me to the above mentioned article. I have to admit that is well written with great amount of info. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:43, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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Oops, sorry, I was logged on to NSH002, so didn't see your note on my NSH001 talk page. I've struck my first remark above accordingly. However I'm sure it is much better for you to continue from the current version. --NSH002 (talk) 07:46, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
NSH002, I do not see how "my revert is against any policy" when I asked you to wait with any of your editions as I am still trying to improve the template. Many of your pointers are valid but could you please hold off your accusations and try to find a consensus before going with your editing? The order in the table was designed by the number of people based on the latest national census. Therefore it was split into three groups to identify more numerous ethnic diaspora in Ukraine from small ones. Number of other nationalities were omitted conditionally if they representation did not exceed 1,000 people. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 14:27, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
On the question of being against policy, please read the links I gave you above, namely WP:HLIST, WP:ACCESS, WP:TCAT. I have been careful not to make any accusations, but simply to point you to established policy, and to explain, in detail, why I made my changes. As I explained above, I did not see your message on NSH001 until some time after I made the changes and posted my first message above. But even if I had, the mere fact that you are still working on it is not a valid reason for undoing my changes. Remember, I am trying to help you, and to save you time.
On the question of order of the entries, it is fine to group them by size (I wasn't questioning that at all, and it surprises me that you seem to be interpreting it that way). It is also fine to order them by size within each group, but if that is the case, then it helpful to our readsers to state, in a footnote, that they are ordered in decreading size (I don't know whether thay are or not, as I don't have the census data at my fingertips). If that is not the case, then it is helpful to our readers to order them alphabetically within each group. --NSH002 (talk) 15:16, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
NSH002, well, the very first bullet is clearly written as an accusation, while I was not throwing at you the WP:TALKFIRST as you do with all those policies. The third bullet could be even re-interpreted as a warning. I think we started on a wrong foot here. I have to admit that your edits are good. You are right about the footnote, but I would not want to overload it with too much info, though. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 15:36, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

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WP:BLP and tagging people as terrorists

Hello Aleksandr. I noticed you've recently created a category Category:Individuals designated as terrorist by the government of Ukraine and are populating it with various individuals. However, in all the cases I've checked, there was nothing in the article itself to back up the claim that the individual is a designated terrorist. Since this sort of accusation could be harmful to these people, it is vital that we follow our policy on biographies of living persons (and particularly WP:BLPCAT) and insist on reliable sources for these claims. I will remove any tags you have added which are unreferenced, but feel free to reinsert them if you can simultaneously add reliably sourced text backing up the claim. (Note that the same goes for some biographical articles you have been tagging as fugitive murderers.) —Psychonaut (talk) 06:43, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Psychonaut, what are you talking about?? Khodakovsky is being charged with terrorists acts and is ordered to be arrested and brought to court. He is officially on the wanted list as a person who committed terrorist acts. How would you call such a person? Persons who hide from authorities. Ministry of Internal Affairs website. 12:49, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Moreover, Igor Bezler along with Igor Girkin explicitly were announced as such who need to be arrested and brought to court as they are suspected in terrorism. (General Prosecutor of Ukraine, source) Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 12:55, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Psychonaut, in Ukraine those people are officially designated as terrorists. It is not a groundless accusation. Denying the fact that those people are terrorists, it is the same as denying the fact that Crimea is under Russian control. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 13:09, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I am not saying that these people are not officially designated as terrorists. I am just asking you to abide by our policy on biographies of living persons, which requires that claims such as this be accompanied by a reference to a reliable source. —Psychonaut (talk) 13:13, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

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Re: List of chairmen of the Verkhovna Rada

I think you're wrong. Turchynov is mentioned as one of the founding members of People's Front, according to this source ([1]), so its quite logical that he represented it in the Parliament before November 27... Before that, he was a member of Batkivshchyna since 1999. --Sundostund (talk) 16:30, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

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  1. ^ (in Ukrainian)Yatsenyuk became a leader of the "People's Front" political council, while Turchynov is a head of its headquarters. Ukrayinska Pravda. 10 September 2014
    Ukrainian PM, Parliament Speaker to Head Newly Formed Popular Front Party, RIA Novosti (10 September 2014)
Turchynov switched his party affiliation during his term as chairman, and it must be noted in the list. As of 10 September, he clearly became one of the leading figures of the People's Front (source which I showed to you clearly proves that), and he broke off his affiliation with Batkivshchyna. We can't claim that he was somehow part of Batkivshchyna after 10 September. Cheers. --Sundostund (talk) 22:57, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Again, we can't claim something which isn't true. He wasn't affiliated with Batkivshchyna after 10 September, in the same way as Yatsenyuk and Avakov. They broke off, and found a new party. It would be a serious misleading of our readers if we left a claim in the list that he was affiliated with Batkivshchyna until November. Do we need to repeat ourselves for the rest of the night? --Sundostund (talk) 23:13, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm not talking about parliamentary rules, but about reality. His switching of party membership in September must be noted in the list. Any claim that he was a member to Batkivshchyna after September would be a misleading of readers. How much times do I need to repeat it? --Sundostund (talk) 23:29, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
You deny that fact by your attempting to have that information removed from the list. --Sundostund (talk) 23:31, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
You're free to think whatever you want. We have to agree that we disagree, that's all. --Sundostund (talk) 23:44, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

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Boguslavmandzyuk, thank you for invitation. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:58, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Np. There has been a depressingly high influx of Ukrainophobic POV on Wikipedia recently, distracting from building up content. For example, I have been occupied with other articles like Cossack Hetmante with a user who insists it was never a state, or several users on Donetsk People's Republic, who insist to call it a country... --BoguSlav 17:18, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Boguslavmandzyuk, I do check them time to time, particularly the War in Donbass. I am aware of those Ukrop-hunters. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 01:02, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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Your tagging of db-madeupsubject for various articles concerning the Donetsk People's Republic could be seen as disruptive. Don't repeat it, please. DGG ( talk ) 19:59, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

your readdition of the tagging is certainly disruptive. . A formal warning follows. DGG ( talk ) 20:01, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, Nominating templates for deletion belong at WP:TFD, Not WP:AFD so I've closed the discussion [5]
TFD is for Templates, AFD is for Articles, RFD is for Redirects etc etc .... You get the jist,
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Davey2010, thank you for notice. The issue re-opened at TFD. (20 January 2015) Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 04:31, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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  • @Aleksandr. I suggest for you to withdraw this request. Making accusations on AN without providing any supporting diffs (as you did) amounts to a "personal attack". And after quickly looking at this, I can see absolutely nothing to suggest that you have been "harassed" by anyone. My very best wishes (talk) 16:48, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
My very best wishes, I have been accused in groundless "proding" and disruptive editing with warning to be blocked. In my proposals for deletion I stated that certain articles that are based on the recent events and they are in dispute. Because of that such articles need to be properly referenced, otherwise they qualify for original research. Nonetheless, the above mentioned users chose to ignore my arguments and accused me in political bias and threaten me with blocking. I managed to reason with one of them and the user completely re-edit the section that I challenged. I just do not understand why the user had to throw accusations and threats at me. Another user accused me in disruptive editing and posted an official warning on my talk page. Some articles which I proposed to be deleted were created by user who is blocked now. Those articles were poorly referenced and a lot of the stuff was clearly based on original research. After posting the AN notification, I had Beeblebrox suggesting me to familiarize with WP:BOOMERANG. I guess the user implied that I am causing edit wars. I simply asked for an advise on how to deal with things like that, instead I am being blamed from all over the place. What is going on? I do not understand why the users had to threaten me to pursue their point. Is that how we solve issues in Wikipedia from now on? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 01:57, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Here is the problem. None of the people involved (you, the admin or another user) provided any diffs of alleged wrongdoing (on AN or your talk page). You did not provide any diffs where someone harasses you, as you tell. They did not provide any diffs showing your disruptive editing or groundless prodding. Therefore I can not give you any real advice (P. provided a diffs on AN [6] which do not show any problems). However, in the situation where no one provided any diffs, you are the guilty party by default, because it was you who came to AN with personal accusations unsupported by any evidence. I can only tell that admin who issued you this warning is probably one of the most peaceful people in the project, so you must be doing something really wrong, but I do not know what it was without diffs. My very best wishes (talk) 04:37, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
P.S. I only found this, which by itself should not be a reason for the warning above... My very best wishes (talk) 05:09, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

My very best wishes, no, it is not related. Psychonaut, simply got rid of it and I did not really challenged. The main issue was this. Did you read the talk page on the Secession article? The user wrote the following: "Over the last few days he's tried several times to blank, delete, or speedy-delete content on secessionist groups, and given completely bogus reasons for doing so." Psychonaut accuses me of "completely bogus reasons", while later the user completely rewrote the section.

I suggested the article List of political parties in the Donetsk People's Republic for deletion. The reason is the fact that there is no political parties in this "republic". Those political entities are technically public movements. I do not challenge existence of the Donetsk Republic organization. It is a Ukrainian separatist organization and was banned in 2007. I also place the Template:Political parties in Donetsk People's Republic on discussion for deletion due to the original research.

Others however are completely bogus and have no real supporting references. Such is the Communist Party of the Donetsk People's Republic. The article itself states that the so-called party was merged. The article was created by the user user:AsharaDayne who is banned now. Same goes to the List of political parties in the Donetsk People's Republic and Template:Political parties in Donetsk People's Republic. Also, the article gives impression that the party consist of one person, its leader, who simply changed from Ukraine to DPR. I think we may leave that article in place if good references would be provided. I think all communist parties as political parties of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation anyway. So, there is a really a little room to argue about.

I also suggested the Template:Donetsk People's Republic topics on the reason that it is based on original research. One of its categories is Geography. There is nothing in the world written about "Geography of the DPR" or "Culture of the DPR". And I do see how historical Russian guberniya Novorossiya really relates to this "republic". Even the main ideologist Andrei Purgin claimed the origin of the Donetsk People's Republic from the Donetsk–Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic. I think I provided his interview on the Purgin's article. I know that there are some similar political entities existed, but it seems that the template was composed by someone who is completely clueless in the history or politics of Ukraine and the history of Russian Empire.

I placed afd for Peace for Lugansk Region. The article's issue were not addressed for some time. The organizations is not a party. Some references are based on a Russian propaganda source and fails WP:V. Questionable is also the article on New Russia Party. It states that party merged after it existed for less than a month. At least it is moreless well referenced.

Also, coming back to the article on Bolotov, for which you mentioned this diff. Psychonaut, removed my categorization stating that the are no text in the article that mentions that. I did not challenge. I introduced a sentence explaining his status. Also, Bolotov is on the SBU wanted list for separatism (Article 110, part 2 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine, encroaches on the territorial integrity of Ukraine).

I had impression that I presented valid arguments for deletion of above-mentioned articles, instead I am being accused of political bias and based on that my arguments are being kicked aside. That is what I am trying to say. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 12:47, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

I am may be politically biased, but it is strange that some articles are being kept just in spite of me. I guess only the patriots of DPR could really challenge those articles for others it is taboo. Is that really the reason? It is simply ridiculous. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 12:50, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
What is guarantee that another admin would not go further and without warning simply block me without any discussions? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 13:04, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Here is just a few very general points (I wrote my opinion/advice about this here). (a) You edit in a subject area covered by discretionary sanctions, so you should read this. So, yes, you can be restricted and blocked, however you and others have certain rights. First of all, if you received a warning from an admin and do not understand why, you should politely ask him about this on his talk page, and he suppose to explain it with diffs, so that the reason for the warning is immediately obvious for you and anyone around. That did not happen. On the other hand, if you claim something about others, like being harassed, you should provide diffs, so that the alleged harassment is immediately obvious. That did not happen. Note that issuing you a proper warning by admin is not harassment. I hope it helps. Sorry, but I do not have time for this any more. My very best wishes (talk) 15:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
My very best wishes, my apologies for taking your time, however, your statement that I did not address the issue with the user on his talk page is not true, please check User talk:DGG#Disruptive editing. I agree about consensus mentioned by DGG, however, as I mentioned before some articles were created by a blocked user and could be subject for deletion. DGG claimed that is completely groundless. Is that really so and do I really deserved to be treated so? I asked for a second opinion from another administrator who said that such behavior is strange (user talk:DDima#Mediation request). I simply want to point out the fact that I acted based on wikipedia policies rather than going out and blindly deleting stuff without any consideration. I do not have intention to dramatize the issue, but rather to raise a flag. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 15:30, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Also, some time ago I had several users, among which is user:Yoshi24517, nominating articles for speedy deletion without finding a consensus first (such as user talk:Aleksandr Grigoryev#Speedy deletion nomination of Laborious Ukraine Electoral Bloc). User DGG never intervened on those matters. I never went on with threats about disruptive editing, but rather follow up with the articles and improved them (if I could). Now I have all kinds of people accusing me of political bias and nationalism. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:18, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Unlike the so called "political parties of the Donetsk People's Republic", the Laborious Ukraine Electoral Bloc at least was a real registered political entity. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:20, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
I do not see anything disruptive in my edits and worth to be formally warned of blocking. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:22, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Apparently he issued you a warning for this. Not only you nearly made a WP:3RR violation, but using "speedy" tag in this manner was against the rules. Perhaps you did not know it, but you had to ask the user who reverted your edit, rather than revert his edits. Was that the reason for your AN request? If so, then instead of admitting your mistake, you filed a battleground request to AN. Do not you see it? My very best wishes (talk) 16:50, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
My very best wishes, OK, I think we are heading somewhere now. First of all, why is that me who in WP:3RR violation? I do not think the removal of a tag is the way to contest the proposed deletion. Second of all, that is not how DGG explained it to me. Third of all, the user who removed the edit could have explain the obviousness of removal or contest the nomination. I think I explained very well reasons for nominating. That other user only commented that the removal is obvious. Next thing I know I have DGG throwing accusations in disruptive editing, vandalism and formal warning without reasoning with me. How is that my mistake? If I was in violation of WP:3RR, it should be stated in that formal warning, instead I am accused in disruptive editing. Still, I do not see what so disruptive about it. If it was due to technicality of nomination, I would admit my mistake; if not, I do not see the purpose of accusations in my address. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:10, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
The template is obviously based on made up information and in violation of WP:original research. I stated it in my nomination, I think. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:13, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Moreover, the template is created by a user who is currently blocked. With whom should have I find consensus first? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:15, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Also, I know we have this political situation right now and many users come up with various stuff. But I think any disputed issues should first be well documented, second we should not use our administrative resources exclusively to prove a point. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:24, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Well, if you do not understand something, as you tell in your edit summary, you suppose to ask at talk page, rather than revert, which in that case can be reasonably qualified as POV-pushing by you. Looking at this, an admin issued you a warning. That looks to me pretty much as a legitimate admin. action. However, your complaint about this to AN was not legitimate, to tell this politely (see above). If you do not understand it, that's your problem.My very best wishes (talk) 17:32, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
My very best wishes, I apologize for infringe on 3RR. Why DGG did not stated it in the first place? Would it not be a more constructive method trying to reason? According to this edit, the user obviously suspects me in vandalism. Once again, I tried to reason with the user, yet he continues to have me listed on his vandalism list. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:54, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
And what about my arguments to the article? Are they being simply ignored? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:56, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
My very best wishes, I re-read the history of edition on the Template:Donetsk People's Republic topics. I guess I am out of line here. My apology. Please, withdraw the AN notification. I will be more thorough next time and talk to someone else before addressing issues to AN. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:23, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
DGG, nah, user:My very best wishes convinced me that I am wrong. I guess I missed the pointer to move tag the article appropriately. I am the one who need to apologize. I guess I did not know that templates have certain other procedures. I could not imagine to treat them other than a regular article. Sorry, if it ruined your day and, please, don't keep a grudge. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:34, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
all's OK. I never make too much of a single incident. DGG ( talk ) 05:54, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Patronymic template

Hi Aleksandr. Quick question: Is it O.K. to use this template: {{Eastern Slavic name}}? Because I see that a lot of articles on Russian people don't use it, yet its present in many Ukrainian biographies, such as Petro Poroshenko and the rest. So, I added it to some individuals, but my question is should I persist or it will be viewed as annoyance? Also, if its bothering some editors I can remove it from the articles that I put it in. Many thanks in advance.--Mishae (talk) 19:35, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Mishae, personally I do not find it bothersome. I think it is useful as it eliminates disambiguity for people not familiar with the Russian Orthodox culture. Some users or viewer may find it annoying, though. I do not see anything wrong in introducing it to each article related to people from the East Slavic culture. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 19:57, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I will ask Bakharev as well. I was just shocked that only 1% of the whole articles relating to either Russians or Ukrainians use this template.--Mishae (talk) 20:01, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Municipality or Council?

What do you think? Is it reasonable that we keep the titles as "Municipality" (cf. Yalta Municipality) to refer to cities of regional significance (city councils) and just plain "Council" to refer to the other local government areas such as Settlement/Village Council articles (cf. Dolynske Council instead of naming it Dolynske Village Council)? I feel like there should be a separation between cities and their local government areas and other types of settlements and their local government ares because cities carry much more stature and regional importance. Hence the difference in naming. § DDima 18:38, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

DDima, thank you for asking me that. I also wanted to talk about it. I believe there is a great deal of ambiguity in local government definitions. In my perception city and city of regional (oblast, republican) significance or city of district significance are two different terms. In the first instance the term implies a populated places, in other - a municipality as a territorial subdivision of region. There is too little information on that matter available online and practically no real explanation of the origin. It seems to me that cities municipalities derived from the Russian city municipalities (gradonachalstvo). The use of council is also only adds ambiguity as council cannot really be a form of government, but rather sets rules. It seems that council in the given situation means rather a board or a commission (such as in Council–manager government). I think municipality would a good way to interpret the Soviet term of council. For your mentioned example Dolynske Village Council could be reinterpreted as Dolynske Rural Municipality (please, check Rural municipality). Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:01, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
In short, I think we should adopt following interpretations, city municipality for miskrada and rural municipality for silrada. For selyshchna rada there should be municipality of urban settlement or township. Note, that on many occasions a territory of such municipality often coincides with a populated place and in my opinion such a fact should be mentioned. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:09, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

1966 Shevchenko National Prize winners

Regarding a edit you made on the 21st of December, 2010 here, do you have any idea of what you used as a source? As you can see Petro Panch is redlinked, so I want to make a article/stub (depending on amount of sources). Thanks! Acalycine(talk/contribs) 10:04, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Acalycine, I used the Ukrainian Wikipedia or sometimes its Russian equivalent if the latter would have more external links and websources. If your Russian is fine, I suggest you to check there the article on Petro Panch (Pyotr Panch). Russians like Ukrainians for some reason translate each other names. I guess it some kind of a tradition. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 12:20, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Will look at it. Regards, Acalycine(talk/contribs) 07:55, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

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Liz, yea. Well, that edit is done by someone who does not speak English language. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:12, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

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Tokyogirl79, I have nothing to follow on your proposal. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 05:03, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

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Urban-type settlements

I've asked similar questions concerning this statistical and administrative designation for towns in Ukraine, before, but are the listings on the article List of urban-type settlements in Ukraine by subdivision listings of urban-type settlements regardless or not of whether they have that administrative designation, or is it just administrative urban-type settlements? Could that be made more clear on that page, since that kind of designation can be statistical, administrative, or both? It appears to me from what I'm beginning to understand that while ALL settlements designation as urban-type settlements by statistical definition, that not all statistical urban-type settlements have a corresponding urban-type settlement administration. That is to say that an urban-type settlement in a statisical sense can be governed by a settlement council, but could also just be a settlement within a raion or city with no corresponding settlement council. --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:08, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I think you are overthinking it. Practically each populated place in Ukraine regardless whether it is urban-settlement, city, village are all have own council that govern them. Depending on type of the place, those councils are called after them. Rural settlements are less common and usually do not have separate councils, so are private cottage villages (dacha settlements). Councils are pretty much your primary or basic territorial subdivision of Ukraine. They could be seen also as municipalities. In villages, councils are small and headed by a head of village (holova) who also appoints his or her executive cabinet that is some other four to five people. Urban settlements are usually bigger (but not always) therefore have bigger councils. The head of settlement council often has a similar type of executive committee as in a regular village. Cities are a bit different. First of all they are categorized into three categories depending on their significance (district, region, or special status). Second of all may have their own subdivisions depending on the decision of the city's community. Third of all each city has its own mayor, elections of which are conducted separately. All councils, village, urban settlement, city compose your rayon (district), while regional municipality are treated as such. The before mentioned are in their order part of a region such as oblast or an autonomous republic in case of Crimea. At the same time special status municipalities (cities with special status) are designated as a separate region. I hope my explanation helped. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 10:06, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm asking specifically about urban-type settlements and their respective councils. I understand the other kinds of councils/administrations (city and village/rural councils). I'm asking specifically about the page I linked to. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:58, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
All urban-settlements have own settlement council. I am not certain about statistical point of view on it, but all settlement councils are subordinated to districts (rayon) or regional municipalities. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 09:46, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. So every territorial unit listed as an "urban-type settlement" on that list has a corresponding settlement council. That's all I was really asking. I was under the impression that you could have settlement/territory called an urban-type settlement, but that it wasn't necessarily governed as an urban-type settlement in the administrative sense. So, an "urban-type settlement" is always and administrative division. --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:39, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Criticalthinker, yep. There is nothing really special. In fact most populated places have own council except for rural settlements. Councils of cities of regional significance administer the city proper and the surrounding municipality that may or not include adjacent populated places with own councils which are subordinated to the corresponding councils of municipality that belong. I hope the last statement made any sense. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:00, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, that last sentence made sense. I guess what was confusing me was that unlike here in the United States with a few exceptions, "cities" here are usually always on the level of what in Ukraine would be urban-type and village/settlement councils. It seems that in Ukraine, a settlement with a city council is always administratively seperate of the district/raion that may surround it. In the United States, save for a few cases where a city and a county have consolidated into one entity, a city council is always an administrative level below the surrounding county; a county in America seems to be on the same administrative level as a raion or city in Ukraine. Just as an example, here in my homestate of Michigan, the City of Detroit while still a fairly large city has the same level of administrative "significance" as the small neighboring community of River Rouge. Both of these communities, despite differences of size and economic importance, are equal in administrative significance under our states constitution, and both communities are within the jurisdiction Wayne County, meaning that these cities don't exist respectively as their own counties like they would in Ukraine. In Ukraine, from what I can tell, a city like Detroit would be a "city of regional or oblast significance" or at least a "city of district significance" meaning that it would form its own district totally independent of that of surrounding Wayne County. Anyway, I'm just rambling, but I hope that shows you my thought process. --Criticalthinker (talk) 07:22, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Out of technicality, you should also consider that any council has own executive committee, so locally there still is your legislative form of government and executive. Judicial form government starts from districal division (2nd level of country's division). The head of village council or settlement council acts as the head of legislation and municipality, while being elected among the members of local council. In cities there are special mayoral elections, in which residents of each city elect own mayor. The only city that does not have a mayor is the city of Sevastopol, while mayor of the city of Kiev acts as both mayor and city's governor (head of city state administration). Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:09, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

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Hi! Could you explain what kind of clarification is necessary here? Alæxis¿question? 18:13, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Alaexis, first of all, why combatant and not militant? Combatants are members of Armed Forces and carry corresponding insignia. Was that so with the Abkhazian side? It looks very like that the so-called separatists were in fact the Russian military servicemen as the Russian Federation has a military base in Gudauta. Very similar episode took place with annexation of Crimea. Who could guarantee that any Russian soldiers based in Gadauta or near Georgia at that time did not participate in the conflict? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 01:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Alaexis, this report (GEORGIA/ABKHAZIA: VIOLATIONS OF THE LAWS OF WAR AND RUSSIA'S ROLE IN THE CONFLICT (March 1995)) calls them fighters and provides a valid suspect that there was no Abkhazian separatists, but simply Russian soldiers who call themselves so. It is exactly like the Russian Federation fights today in Donbas. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 10:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, I've used the term because it's used in the report. The definition of combatant is "a person, group, or country that fights in a war or battle"[7] which seems suitable and NPOV in this case. Btw this report covers Russia's role in this conflict nicely, I've used it a lot in WP. Alæxis¿question? 18:58, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I think fighter suits better. Merriam-webster also gives good explanation. Combatant is more technical and usually applies for uniformed military servicemen which in case of so-called "Abkhazian separatists" with Russian or Soviets passports could barely be the case. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:50, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Alaexis, the war in Abkhazia was a Russian proxy war against Georgia using local criminals and own dressed up soldiers acting as "separatists". Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:53, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

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A question :)

Hello Aleksandr!

I have a question and I wondered whether you perhaps knew the answer to it. Its about the Russo-Persian War (1722–23). During this war, the Cossack Hetmanate under Apostol joined the war upon Peters request, but I'm not sure, was the Cossack Hetmanate subordinate to Russia at that time already? In 1722-1723? Because for now I have added the hetmanate as a "subordinate" ally for Imperial Russia by the "*" sign, but I wanted to be sure about this.

Appreciate it if you have any comment to say about this. ;-)

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LouisAragon, Apostol became the Hetman of Zaporizhian Host not until 1727. He however could have led Zaporizhian Host in a battle. The Cossack Hetmanate at that period was governed by the Collegium of Little Russia and led by Stepan Velyaminov. The acting hetman Pavlo Polubotok was never confirmed by the Russian government. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:47, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hi. How can we get back previous name (Ievgen) as it's written in the international passport for (English: Streltsov Ievgen)? Thanks, - Dragunovsky 11:44, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

You can mention it in the article, I guess. It seems that his name was recorded according to the Romanization of Ukrainian in Wikipedia. About the passport, I should say that it is not an ultimate document and could be inaccurate especially from Ukraine. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:27, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
The article seems to have multiple other more important issues. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:29, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

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@Future Perfect at Sunrise: I apologize, but it is in the referenced article, without that information it sounds like Ukrainian authorities discriminate Russians in the country, which totally wrong. I really did not mean to offend you or anyone else with that. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:52, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

I agree that the article brings up opinion of some third parties, but just a plain sentence as it is in the Wikipedia article shows discrimination of the Ukrainian government against Russian minority. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:36, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Future Perfect at Sunrise, here is another website that calls Russian propaganda relentless (BBC). Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:28, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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Cossack Hetmanate again

Can you take a look at article Cossack Hetmanate again? There is a user who insists to say in the infobox that it was an Ottoman protectorate and sanjak. One some level, the some Hetmans did ask the Ottomans for help and got limited recognition form the Ottomans. But the Ottomans never did truly become an Ottoman vassal state because the Ottomans didn't follow through and consolidate the Cossack Hetmanate into its domain. Placing it in the infobox also puts WP:UNDUE weight on the multi-vectored foreign policy of the Cossack Hetmanate. Regardless, I would appreciate your input.--BoguSlav 20:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Interesting Alexis Ivanov (talk) 03:54, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Boguslavmandzyuk, I was thinking in creating an article about it, by the way. Of course, Cossack Hetmanate never was part of theOttoman Empire, at least not in whole. However, the right bank Ukraine under the leadership of Petro Doroshenko was known as a Khanate Ukraine. Before that Doroshenko managed to unite Ukraine on both banks of Dnieper, but a new Polish offensive forced him to defend the right bank, while on the left he left Demian Mnohohrishny who pretty much sold him out. Doroshenko than managed to conclude an alliance with Turkey to fight on both fronts against Poles and Muscovites and was granted status of bey or sanjakbey. After defeat by Samoylovych, Ottomans tried to install Yuriy Khmelnytsky in his position on the request of the French Envoy in the Ottoman Empire, because Khmelnytsky at that time was a political prisoner in Turkey. The whole idea however fell through. The last known ruler of the Khanate Ukraine was a Moldavian George Ducas (Please, check notes under a table at the Hetman of Zaporizhian Host article). I read about the subject in some of history books and Ukrainian Wikipedia. At that time however Ukraine was split in spheres of influence between three powers: Muscovy, Ottamans, and Polish Rzecz Pospolita. As a sanjak of the Ottoman Empire, Cossack Hetmanate never was, but the southern region of it with its capital in Chyhyryn did as well as Podolia (see Podolia Eyalet). Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 06:08, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Boguslavmandzyuk, also please check the article about the Grand Vizier Kara Mustafa Pasha who managed to ley the siege of Vienna where he was defeated at the famous and one the biggest battles in the European history Battle of Vienna. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 06:15, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
I never claimed that "Cossack Hetmanate was part of the Ottoman Empire.". Alexis Ivanov (talk) 06:56, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Alexis Ivanov, Cossack Hetmanate never was fully under protectorate of the Ottoman Empire either. A portion of it was, because it was difficult for Doroshenko to fight by himself against both Poles and Muscovites. On the other hand, left bank Ukraine (also Cossack Hetmanate) was part of the Muscovite protectorate, while the northern portion was part of the Polish Crown. But you rather put the fact that it was under protectorate of the Ottoman Empire only. I guess for the purpose to justify why Muscovites moved towards the Black Sea shores, rather to admit the fact that Ukraine at the time was for grabs by all major powers in the region. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 07:26, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Alexis Ivanov, I would suggest you to familiarize yourself more with the term of sanjak which is an administrative division of the Ottoman Empire. So how is it not claiming Cossack Hetmanate part of the Ottoman Empire??? Moreover, sanjaks were second-level administrative division (see Administrative divisions of the Ottoman Empire), Khanate Ukraine was granted sanjak status temporarily out of Bratslav Voivodeship and southern portion of Kiev Voivodeship, while Polish Podolia Voivodeship was converted into an eyelet (province) (see article on Petro Doroshenko). Please note, not the whole Cossack Hetmanate became a sanjak, but its portion. Why do not you read more rather than putting some random stuff on Wikipedia. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 07:40, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Aleksandr Grigoryev It was fully a protectorate in June 1699, when Doroshenko had the control of all Ukraine after getting rid of Briukhovetsky in the previous year. I'm also familiar with the word Sanjak 100%, and I realize it is a district of a province known as Eyalet, I have studied the Ottoman Empire for some years to know this at the back of my head. Also it was never called Khanate Ukraine as far as I'm aware and you can correct me on that because Khanate implied some form of post-Golden Horde Kingdom. In fact it was known as simply Ukraniya/Ukrayna Memleketi based on Ahmed Köprülü letter to Polish envoy, I'm noting some form of hostility and accusation in your last remark especially with the word "random" my edits are detailed and precise far from random, I would recommend into not dwelling in that terriritoy I will give you the benefit of doubt since you are a veteran Wikipedian User whose work I have watched. Tread lightly. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 07:51, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Alexis Ivanov, on the other hand the real Cossack Hetmanate continued to exist on the left bank Ukraine after the Treaty of Andrusovo. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 07:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
As oppose to fake Cossack Hetmanate on the right bank? Alexis Ivanov (talk) 07:51, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Alexis Ivanov, it seems that you like to mock people, are you not? Cossack Hetmanate was split in Treaty of Andrusovo, after which Petro Doroshenko tried to recover the sovereignty over the whole area. His legitimacy became in question since the Russian government install Mnohohrishny as Hetman of Cossack Hetmanate. Doroshenko along with Turks led assault against the Polish Crown and recover some territories on which previously were recreated Bratslav Voivodeship and Kiev Voivodeship, while Turks left Podolia under their direct jurisdiction. Now since the Treaty of Andrusovo, both Bratslav and Kiev voivodeships were not part of Cossack Hetmanate that was secure by the Tsardom of Muscovy. The territories gained by Doroshenko are known in the history as the Khanate Ukraine, not Cossack Hetmanate. That is your "fake" Cossack Hetmanate. I gave you a lot of pointers, yet in return you continue to ridicule and mock me. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 08:07, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Aleksandr Grigoryev I actually like giving people some warm Banana Cake. I don't like mocking people. Did I mocked you?
>The territories gained by Doroshenko are known in the history as the Khanate Ukraine, not Cossack Hetmanate. That is your "fake" Cossack Hetmanate.
How can something real be fake? And still no answer where the Khanate Ukraine comes from.
>I gave you a lot of pointers, yet in return you continue to ridicule and mock me
Please direct me where did I rediculed and mocked you? You are the one who started mocking my edits and calling "random" and indicated a level of hostility in your remarks, and I said I will give you a the benefit of doubt and ignore those remakrs, and yet you accuse me Alexis Ivanov (talk) 08:19, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
OK, Alexis Ivanov, do not take it wrong way, but could you please provide more information on the subject within the article so it does not look like it is completely of the wall? Putting this stuff in infobox without any information within the article makes people believe that it could be random stuff. It seems like a pretty strong claim especially protectorate in 1655-1663. I only know about the Khmelnytsky's treaty of 1651. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 09:04, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
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"Eternally Together": a Soviet poster made for the 300th anniversary of the Treaty of Pereyaslav in 1954.
Alexis Ivanov, also your claim about protectorate puts the Soviet propaganda poster into a trash bin and the whole transfer of Crimea which was done on the wave of celebration of the 300 Anniversary seems like completely groundless. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 10:07, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
And another thing, it was full protectorate not in June of 1669, but rather on May 1, 1669 (Encyclopedia of Ukraine) when sultan Mehmed IV confirmed the alliance, on which the Korsun General Council agreed two months prior. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 10:18, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
I have already provided the information as Iryna requested. I'm working on adding more information on the history page per the request of Toddy, I'm reading articles.
>It seems like a pretty strong claim especially protectorate in 1655-1663. I only know about the Khmelnytsky's treaty of 1651.
There is also the 1655 document titled "Göttingen Codex" issued by the Ottoman as an ahdname.
>also your claim about protectorate puts the Soviet propaganda poster into a trash bin and the whole transfer of Crimea which was done on the wave of celebration of the 300 Anniversary seems like completely groundless.
I'm not following your argument, Soviet and pro-Russian propaganda have enormous to gain from diminishing or exaggeration things, I take it with a cup of Salt.
>And another thing, it was full protectorate not in June of 1669, but rather on May 1, 1669 (Encyclopedia of Ukraine) when sultan Mehmed IV confirmed the alliance, on which the Korsun General Council agreed two months prior.
The June 1669 is when the Patent was granted "Doroshenko all of Cossack Ukraine as an Ottoman Sancak or province" This same patent is preserved in Moscow. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 01:59, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Aleksandr Grigoryev Here is a quote from the book, The European Tributary States of the Ottoman Empire in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries, that show that it is very difficult to consider the Cossack Hetmanate a vassal of the Ottoman Empire: 

"So to what degree was Cossack Ukraine an Ottoman entity in this period? Since Islamic-style tribute (harac) was never imposed and scarcely discussed, technically speaking, we cannot call the hetmanate an Ottoman tributary. This is, of course, why we have preferred the term “vassal,” of course not in the original Western medieval sense, but in the sense of the relationship between a subject state and a suzerain, a state in which there are mutual obligations—mainly non-aggression and protection of the subject by the suzerain in exchange for, when needed, military service by the subject on behalf of the suzerain, and possibly rendering tribute."

Therefore, it is a very ambiguous label of "vassal", with many qualifications. So, the mutual obligations were only non-agression and protection of the subject in exchange for military service by the subject. This sounds a lot more like a military alliance, such as Israel and the United States. No one calls Israel a vassal of the United States. Here is another quote from the book: 

"The “multiple ambiguity” of Ukraine’s situation in these years was crucial in deciding the nature of relations with the Porte and, for that matter, with all the surrounding powers. The multiple systems in which Khmelnytsky operated dictated that his relations with the surrounding powers remained as fluid, murky, and as undefined as possible. Similarly, Doroshenko, even while a subject of the Ottomans, maintained contacts with Poland and Muscovy, and continually explored possibilities of rapprochement with either or both of them in the event the vicissitudes of the international situation required him to abandon his Ottoman orientation."

The Ukrainian-Ottoman relationship was an ambiguous one, even when Doroshenko was in charge (who the Ottomans considered to be their subject). Another quote: 

"That the Ottomans were not inclined to develop their control in Ukraine and instead left it as it was and went on to fight a probably even more dangerous war for Vienna tells us much about Ottoman goals and policy in the northern Black Sea region."

Here is more proof that the Ottomans never incorporated the Cossack Hetmanate as their territory, and only had loose control over it. One does not simply abandon a fully-incorporated, subdued territory. The Hetmanate remained autonomous.

As for the region of Podolia that you mentioned, this had nothing to do with the Hetmanate. The Ottomans conquered Podolia from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, not from the Cossack Hetmanate. In fact, the Hetmanate had more privileges than the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The Poles paid tribute to the Ottomans and lost their territory (Podolia), while the Cossack Hetmanate remained the same size and didn't pay tribute (harac), as the first quote above says. Here is the quote from the book: 

"In October the Ottomans and Commonwealth forces reached an agreement at Buchach, where a treaty known by the same name was signed. According to it, the province of Podolia was ceded to the Ottoman Empire, the Commonwealth agreed to pay a yearly tribute, and Right-Bank Cossack Ukraine maintained autonomy under Ottoman protection."

Finally, the Ottomans even called Cossack Hetmanate as the "country of Ukraine" (Ukrayna memleketi) (page 145 of the book).

And some more proof that the Cossack land was not occupied: 

"Rather than occupying and defending the Cossack land of Doroshenko, the Ottomans directed their thrust further west against Kamianets’, the magnificent fortress that guarded some important routes into both Ukraine and Poland."

Another quote that speaks to the same tune. The Hetmanate was only used as a buffer zone : 

"From the Ottoman decision to take the best part (Podolia) for themselves, one gets the impression that they were skeptical about the viability of Cossack Ukraine as a polity, even as a vassal. Its instability made them treat it as, at best, a frontier bufffer zone."

My point is that the relationship was ambiguous and not one-sided. The Ottomans did not station their troops in the Hetmanate (even despite their agreement with Doroshenko install 1,000 janissaries in Kodak) and this means that they did not consolidate the Hetmanate as a vassal state. They simply used the Hetmanate as an excuse to conquer the region of Podolia and thought of the Cossack land as a buffer zone. They called the Cossack Hetmanate the "country of Ukraine" and when things started to get more complicated in their war with Austria-Hungary, they simply abandoned Ukraine, because they were never very invested in the first place. Unlike other Ottoman vassal states, the Hetmanate did not pay tribute (harac) and the only mutual obligations between the Hetman and the sultan were that when the Hetmanate needed protection, the sultan would grant it, and when the Ottomans needed military assistance, the hetman would grant it. The relationship of the Cossack Hetmanate and Ottoman Empire was always murky and ambiguous, but seems like a the only mutual obligations were military assistance.--BoguSlav 21:55, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

> Therefore, it is a very ambiguous label of "vassal"
It is actually very clear, it is the term the book used because it’s the closest term we have.
> So, the mutual obligations were only non-agression and protection of the subject in exchange for military service by the subject. This sounds a lot more like a military alliance, such as Israel and the United States.
Israel and United States relationship is a false analogy towards the Cossack Hetmanate and the Ottoman Empire relationship. There is always a mutual obligations between the Ottomans and their varies vassals that they have agreed upon doesn’t mean it is a military alliance, with your logic, the Ottoman Empire had a military alliance with Moldavia when in fact the Moldavia as a vassal is required to send military assistance to the Ottoman in time of war and in time the Ottomans needs them.
> The Ukrainian-Ottoman relationship was an ambiguous one, even when Doroshenko was in charge (who the Ottomans considered to be their subject).
Yet it was a formal relationship, “While in the case of Doroshenko we have both an Ottoman original and an Ottoman copy of a patent of investiture – the nişan /berat cited above – that leaves no doubt as to his formal relationship to the Porte, for Khmelnytsky the most solid document attesting formal vassal status is the sultan’s letter to him from mid-1655, also cited above. However, Na’ima’s chronicle under the year 1063/1653 maintains the in this year Khmelnytsky was granted some of the standard symbols of investiture – the banner (‘alem) and drum (tabl), along with a patent (berat) granting him his territories as an Ottoman province (eyalet)."
> Here is more proof that the Ottomans never incorporated the Cossack Hetmanate as their territory, and only had loose control over it.
They are still a vassal. Ottomans don’t need to incorporate a territory in their Empire to become a vassal.
> One does not simply abandon a fully-incorporated, subdued territory.
The Ottoman Empire does. They did it with multiple vassals they had. Look at the Georgian, Circassian, Crimean vassals for more evidence.
> The Hetmanate remained autonomous.
You can be autonomous and a vassal, Republic of Ragusa is a great example of that.
> As for the region of Podolia that you mentioned, this had nothing to do with the Hetmanate. The Ottomans conquered Podolia from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, not from the Cossack Hetmanate.
I never said or implied they conquered from the Cossack Hetmanate.
> The Poles paid tribute to the Ottomans and lost their territory (Podolia), while the Cossack Hetmanate remained the same size and didn't pay tribute (harac), as the first quote above says.
Yes because Ottomans didn’t collect tributes from certain vassals, that includes the Crimean Khanate and the Cossack Hetmamate, yet they are required per agreement that they give military assistance to the Ottoman Empire, Republic of Ragusa has an opposite, they pay tribute and are not required to give military assistance, Moldavia and Wallachia are required both, to give tribute and to give military assistance.
Also even though the Polish payed tribute they were never a vassal, and the Ottomans were never their overlords.
> Finally, the Ottomans even called Cossack Hetmanate as the "country of Ukraine" (Ukrayna memleketi) (page 145 of the book).
I said that towards the person I replied to you.
> And some more proof that the Cossack land was not occupied:
It doesn’t need to be occupied to be a vassal.
> The Hetmanate was only used as a buffer zone :
You can have a vassal and a buffer zone, like the Kurdish Beyliks between Safavid and Ottoman lands, or the Georgian Principalities.
> My point is that the relationship was ambiguous and not one-sided.
The ambiguity is on the level of vassalage, not if it was or wasn’t a vassalage. Clearly Bogdan called himself a slave towards the Ottoman and used many terminologies to invoke servitude.
> The Ottomans did not station their troops in the Hetmanate (even despite their agreement with Doroshenko install 1,000 janissaries in Kodak)
They never agreed to station troops on Kodak. The agreement was not to station any troops in Kodak.
> and this means that they did not consolidate the Hetmanate as a vassal state.
You don’t have to put troops and take over the management of a vassal to be a vassal.
> They simply used the Hetmanate as an excuse to conquer the region of Podolia and thought of the Cossack land as a buffer zone.
Sorry, but you are very wrong. If you are going to eat up false statement like that I have to question your understanding of the complex situation that has arise when Poland and Ottoman Empire took war in 1672. In fact the book gives us glimpse and summary of the conflict that resulted in Ottoman victory and acquiring of Podolia in Ottoman Empire. As always I make you eat up your false statements, and now you have pushed me to do it again. Are you with me, okay open page 143 from the same book you have. Page 142 talks about the agreement with Doroshenko in 1669, page 143 continues with that and says “Important points in the berat include the broad degree of autonomy granted, the lack of requirement to oay harac, and the Ottoman govenrment’s recongintion of Doroshenko’s authrotity as applying to all of Ukraine: Right-Bank, Left-Bank, and Zaporazhia.” Good You can continue reading until you reach the last paragraph where it says “The Ottomans were unable or unwilling to intervene until two years later when Jan Sobieski, together with the rival candidate for the hetmanate, Mykhailo Khanenko, carried out an offensive against Doroshenko.” So you can blame Poland for bringing the Ottoman Empire into war to save it’s vassal. The war is the Polish–Ottoman War (1672–76) , okay now don’t go anywhere go on into the next page and read the letter of the Ottoman grand vizier. I’m guessing you will never blame the Polish forces, in fact Ukraine was close to being an independent if the Muscovite and Polish weren’t so eager to push into Ukraine. Why do you think Doroshenko asked to be a vassal in 1669????????? The same letter is considered a “Declaration of war” by the author.
> Unlike other Ottoman vassal states, the Hetmanate did not pay tribute (harac)
False, Kurds, Crimean Khanate never payed tribute. Not all Ottomans vassals are equal in what they agreed upon, some are required to do things that others are not required to do.
> and the only mutual obligations between the Hetman and the sultan were that when the Hetmanate needed protection, the sultan would grant it, and when the Ottomans needed military assistance, the hetman would grant it.
The hetman is the one who is a vassal, he doesn’t grant it, he is required to.
> The relationship of the Cossack Hetmanate and Ottoman Empire was always murky and ambiguous, but seems like a the only mutual obligations were military assistance

The same obligation that the Crimean Khanate had yet they are a vassals Alexis Ivanov (talk) 01:58, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Alexis Ivanov, what you are doing is trying to introduce original research into the discussion. I gave quotations from the source. You are grasping at straws with your attempts to change the meaning of the quotations directly from the book. These are direct citations and you have provided almost none.--BoguSlav 05:12, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
>Alexis Ivanov, what you are doing is trying to introduce original research into the discussion.
I have never added original research in the Cossack page, you may need to refrain lying through your teeth yet again, I'm sick of tired in how you slithering like a snake with more and more lies, where is the original research?????? Copy and paste here and let's discuss about it.
>I gave quotations from the source.
And I gave also quotations from the sources. You are the one who sic early not reading the book, I caught you and you take your words back, and I made you do it, I love it when you shut up and go back to into your corner and never reply back on the points and false statements I caught you in, shows you who REALLY READ THE BOOK
> You are grasping at straws with your attempts to change the meaning of the quotations directly from the book.
I didn't change any meaning. Please bring forth your evidence.
> These are direct citations and you have provided almost none
I have provided before the day you came here in the discussion, better watch boy, now you are talking silly. Alexis Ivanov (talk)

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Can you please look at this article Ukrainian Cup and try to find some refs, maybe in ukrainian language you can find it more easy, some sections needs references. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.124.251.101 (talk) 21:51, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Aleksandr, I was wondering whether you could add a bit to this article you created to indicate notability? Currently it looks a bit like a CSD candidate. Thanks. Fenix down (talk) 17:43, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

I have just been on a bit of a formatting binge on Ukrainian football clubs and noticed that you seem to have created a large number of similar articles. To be honest, I am not sure what use an article that essentially says "x is a football club from Ukraine" is. Certainly it would seems that they are all eligible for speedy deletion. I won't go through them yet and delete them, as I assume they have been created in good faith, but you need urgently to add some kind of context to support notability even if you can't supply a reference. The articles I noted are:

Let me know if you need any help indicating notability / supplying sources and I will try to do so. thanks. Fenix down (talk) 12:48, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Source question

Can you please provide a source for this list? Many thanks Buckshot06 (talk) 22:12, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Buckshot06, I posted the article of Ivan Dnestriansky as an external link archived through the wayback machine. That is the only source I managed to find with the help of the Russian Wikipedia. Please, visit the Wikipedia article, but be mindful that the link is in Russian yet has an extensive information as well as description of the whole situation in 1991-92. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:51, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Alex. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:26, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

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Power station entry in Energoatom

In September 2013, you added a list of power stations to Energoatom, one entry in which identifies the location as Oleksandrivka (which points to a disambiguation page) and the coordinates in which are identical to those, apparently correctly, for Yuzhnoukrainsk in the entry immediately above. I am unable to determine which Oleksandrivka is being referred to or what the actual coordinates for this power station should be. Do you still have your sources? And can you check them to see what coordinates they do give? Thanks. PWilkinson (talk) 14:38, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

PWilkinson, Oleksandrivka is a small urban-type settlement (town) near Yuzhnoukrainsk (could be considered a suburb, but administrative belongs to Voznesensk Raion). It has a hydroelectric power station which is part of the South Ukrainian Nuclear Power Complex along with such entities like Tashlyk Hydro-Accumulating Electric Power Station. I am not certain what kind of map you are using, but such a populated place does exist and is located in the Voznesensk Raion of Mykolaiv Oblast. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 15:15, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
According to the Russian Wikipedia, the hydroelectric power station in Oleksandrivka (built in 1984-1999) is a successor of the Voznesensk hydroelectric power station that was built by the GOELRO plan back in 1927 and was destroyed in 1944 by retrieving German Nazi troops. In 1956 the Voznesensk HES was rebuilt, but later closed down. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 15:23, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
I was about to create the article. Possibly I will even do it tomorrow, I am currently creating articles about all urban-type settlements of Mykolaiv Oblast.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:16, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
That would certainly clear things out. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:09, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
The same Oleksandrivka is mentioned in the article about Granite-steppe lands of Buh. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:12, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I was using Google Maps - which I find often works well enough for finding even fairly small places, but can easily fail if I don't specify the place exactly enough. As you may have realised, I was trying to disambiguate links to the Oleksandrivka page, and while I realised that this Oleksandrivka was not one of those already listed (I see you have added it since), I was not even aware that there was an Oleksandrivka in Mykolaiv Oblast until I looked at Granite-steppe lands of Buh a few minutes after I left the message above. PWilkinson (talk) 23:17, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

About FC Stal

Yes, a little bit i know about this conflict. But FC Stal played 1 match this year with manager Erik van der Meer and real situation is so, that he is manager (and official UPL Site indicates it). And in mine mind it's not correct that V.Mazyar is indicate as manager if in reality he isn't. But I not want to argue:), and we can leave as you did. Sincerely, --Noel baran (talk) 14:33, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Noel baran, let's wait one more weekend. If the Dutch coach will be in the match report, we will revert it with more explanation added to the article about situation in the club. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 14:40, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
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I've lifted the autoblock. You've got thousands of edits on that IP, and you've been the only user (at least in the last few months) on that IP -- until that WetBulb82 account was created while you were editing User talk:The Replicator. There isn't any other useful information to be had, other than that account was created and vandalized; all I can tell you is that it's on the same version of Windows that you're using, but a different browser. --jpgordon::==( o ) 01:15, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
Jpgordon, ok, thank you. That is weird. Is there anyway I can prevent from happening again? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:33, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
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Administrative Divisions of Ukraine

I have two questions for you since you seem to know quite a bit about the issue. My first question is if you could take a look at the talk page for the Administrative divisions of Ukraine? I believe the sidebar on the article "Ukraine subdivisions sidebar" needs to be corrected to remove, again, the fourth level subdvisions as villages and rural settlements are types of settlements covered by rural council which is a third level divison, which is already included in the listing of third level divisions in the sidebar. There is no fourth level of subdivision, right? I am unsure how to access that sidebar to edit it.

Secondly, I had a questions concerning districts in cities. Say that in a city of regional significance that its divided into urban districts, but also includes villages, rural settlements, and urban-type settlements within those districts. And say that those settlements have their own councils (urban-type settlement councils and/or rural councils). Would these councils be subordinate to the urban district councils, or do they exist on the same level as the urban districts and thus are subordinate to the city council which would make them independent of the urban districts which might encircle them? Does that make sense how I'm explaining this theoretical example? To put it more simply, are rural and urban-type settlement councils within urban districts independent of those urban councils or subordinate to them instead of the greater city council? --Criticalthinker (talk) 15:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Criticalthinker, thank you for your questions. I will start with the second portion on the districts in cities. All settlements that are part of the city of regional significance subordinate to the city council. If the city of regional significance has urban districts, those settlements would subordinate to the councils of the districts. The settlements would still administer its local issues that would be covered by the their local councils.
Continuing on to the first portion of your inquiry, I need to say that technically there is no fourth level of administrative division in Ukraine per se. However some users prefer to identify individual settlements in Ukraine (populated places in Ukraine – official term in Ukraine) as the fourth level. That qualifies for original research in Wikipedia as far as I understand and it also does not make sense to identify them as the fourth level. I also understand that those users created the fourth level due to the fact that there are some populated places (settlements) without own administration or council. It would be more simple to keep administrative division as administrative division without mixing it with settlements (populated places) categorization. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 17:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I will get to User:DDima about this, then, though, he doesn't appear to be active any longer. But, that was kind of my point. This sidebar is mixing administrative divisions/local government with populated places/settlements/territorial divisions when there is no need to do that, and it only confuses things. Villages and rural settlements are not administrative divisions, and the infobox seems to imply just that. It'd be different if there wasn't an article on populated places in Ukraine apart from the page on administrative subdivisions, but there is. --Criticalthinker (talk) 13:38, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Criticalthinker, I am not going to change the sidebar as it was created by User:DDima. According to him, he created it in accordance with the Classification of objects of the administrative-territorial system of Ukraine (KOATUU). Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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