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Regarding this edit, what purpose does the column of Wikidata Items serve? Wikidata is not meant to be seen out in the open, as it were, on Wikipedia. Abductive (reasoning) 22:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Including the Wikidata number beside individual items in a table of monuments or artworks provides a link to further sources of information on that specific item, including the various art databases, national archives and major libraries with relevant entries. Also there is often a map there with, accurate, coordinates for the statue or monument. In short, including the Wikidata number in the table forefills the same, or very similar, service that the Authority Control template provides on a single-subject article page. I hope that's helpful and thanks for your question. Best regards. 14GTR (talk) 07:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- It is interesting that the practice of including a Wikidata Item number on a template isn't more widespread, than. Are there any other places on Wikipedia that have such direct links to Wikidata? Abductive (reasoning) 18:03, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Including the Wikidata number beside individual items in a table of monuments or artworks provides a link to further sources of information on that specific item, including the various art databases, national archives and major libraries with relevant entries. Also there is often a map there with, accurate, coordinates for the statue or monument. In short, including the Wikidata number in the table forefills the same, or very similar, service that the Authority Control template provides on a single-subject article page. I hope that's helpful and thanks for your question. Best regards. 14GTR (talk) 07:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I mainly only deal with sculpture and artist related articles but I would guess building and infrastructure related lists would be another area to look at. 14GTR (talk) 12:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think you misunderstand; having Wikidata Q-numbers in Wikipedia is unacceptable. Abductive (reasoning) 17:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I mainly only deal with sculpture and artist related articles but I would guess building and infrastructure related lists would be another area to look at. 14GTR (talk) 12:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Obviously not in this manner.14GTR (talk) 11:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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Apologies 14GTR, I just realised that we have been adding/removing categories to a few of the same files on Commons. As most of these are your photos, I am doubly embarrassed. This was absolutely unintentional on my part (and left me a tad confused – I spend most of my time here on enwiki and wikidata, so I'm a bit less knowledgeable about best practice over there on Commons). Concerning the image of a placard for the 2024 London Design Festival, I was adding this to the V&A room categories that are actually listed on the sign (my logic being that this could be useful in future for a record of things that were exhibited in these spaces, etc.). Am I missing something obvious? (Just as happy not to add these categories if that is preferable for whatever reason.) Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 20:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- No need to apologise but thank you anyway. Regarding that placard it's obvious from the background that it is in the Cromwell Road entrance of the museum, so that would be the most approprite category for it. The category for the Craft x Tech exhibition links to the Prince Consort Gallery anyway.
Regards14GTR (talk) 20:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Noted, thank you. As there are six exhibitions (and even more specific rooms) cited on the sign itself, I thought that it made sense to try and make a connection to some of the others too. Perhaps just adding more detail in the description rather than additional categories would accomplish this as well, however it would mean that someone would have to be searching for these details, so would be less likely to make a lucky discovery (which is often how I find things on Commons, alas). Granted, all very minor details these. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 21:28, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
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I have added Westminster Abbey on commons to the template Cathedrals in England though it is not a cathedral but a major Anglican church in England and built like a Gothic cathedral. Do you agree with this single exception? AnRo0002 (talk) 19:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Fine by me, no problem. Thank you for asking.14GTR (talk) 20:58, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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I understand that you want to be constructive, but some of your edits, usually regarding hatnotes and disambiguation pages do not fit WP:MOS guidelines. For example, you added a hatnote linking to Harold Williamson (disambiguation) on the page for Harold Sandys Williamson, even though it should not be there per WP:NOTAMB. I just don't want to have to keep removing unnecessary hatnotes. GilaMonster536 (talk) 00:29, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- I would dispute that it is an unnecessary hatnote as in the art literature, or at least in the volumes on my bookshelf, the artist in question is referred to Harold Williamson as often as Harold Sandys Williamson so the hatnote is, potentially at least, of some use. Likewise your removal of content from the Nutt page is of no help to anyone. Placing format over content is rarely a constructive approach. I appreciate you are a relatively new editor but please be aware editing WP is as much about judging what is most useful to the readers in a particular situation as enforcing a suite of rules. In good faith and with best regards, 14GTR (talk) 06:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ok thanks. GilaMonster536 (talk) 16:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- I also noticed that sometimes when you link to disambiguation pages with a pipe (the "|"), even if the target page's name already ends with "disambiguation." Just noting that this is not necessary and makes it look like you're linking back to the same page. For example, you did this on Andrew Sinclair's page. GilaMonster536 (talk) 00:17, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- I meant to type the double brackets with the exclamation point in the middle. GilaMonster536 (talk) 04:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I would dispute that it is an unnecessary hatnote as in the art literature, or at least in the volumes on my bookshelf, the artist in question is referred to Harold Williamson as often as Harold Sandys Williamson so the hatnote is, potentially at least, of some use. Likewise your removal of content from the Nutt page is of no help to anyone. Placing format over content is rarely a constructive approach. I appreciate you are a relatively new editor but please be aware editing WP is as much about judging what is most useful to the readers in a particular situation as enforcing a suite of rules. In good faith and with best regards, 14GTR (talk) 06:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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though I think yours and mine are closer. See MOS:IMAGEREL. Maybe open a new topic at talk:Eric Gill? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:43, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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