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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Kingsif talk 00:38, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

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Washington D.C. Temple

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The Washington D.C. Temple
The Washington D.C. Temple
  • ... that the Washington D.C. Temple (pictured) was moved 60 feet to exactly align with the Capital Beltway, designed to inspire curiosity about what goes on inside?
  • Source: “After the route of the Capital Beltway was finalized and before the groundbreaking, the location of the temple was adjusted sixty feet to line up perfectly with the Capital Beltway. This small adjustment has had repercussions for missionary work as many people, due to its visibility and beauty, stop by the temple seeking information about its purpose.” …“We hope the design does attract a great deal of attention so people will investigate the Church”
  • https://rsc.byu.edu/latter-day-saints-washington-dc/washington-dc-temple-mr-smiths-church-goes-washington#_note-11
  • ALT1: ... that the Washington D.C. Temple (pictured) is the tallest and third-largest temple of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by square footage?
  • ALT2: ... that the 'Washington D.C. Temple property (pictured) almost became a shopping center, but Zionist Jewish owners sold it cheaper to support temple construction?
  • Source: “But in the case of the Washington D.C. Temple, the deal to purchase 57 acres of pristine woods overlooking the capital city in 1962 elicited a joyful surprise.”
  • … “planned to construct a shopping mall and condominium complex.”
  • “The (Jewish) men varied in their degree of “observance,” but they all identified deeply with their Jewish heritage, and were generous supporters of Jewish and Zionist causes.”
  • "Kanfer said, 'We’ve decided we’re going to sell it to you for $14,000 an acre. Consider that $57,000 discount our donation for building the temple.'"
  • https://www.deseret.com/faith/2022/3/20/22981180/the-washington-d-c-temple-sites-history-is-as-american-as-the-capital-city-itself-lds-temple/
  • ALT3: ... that Maryland governor Larry Hogan said the Washington D.C. Temple (pictured) is an "iconic landmark", and a "beacon of hope"?
  • ALT4: ... that the Washington D.C. Temple (pictured) was designed like the Salt Lake Temple to be recognized as a temple of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: I've put the hooks in order of ones I think would work best for the page, along with links and citations to verify information. I'm willing to refine and tune the hooks given, and whichever hook that ends up working in the order I made should be the one that is displayed (unless there is consensus that one is more interesting than the other if multiple would work).
Improved to Good Article status by Itsetsyoufree32 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Itsetsyoufree32 (talk) 02:07, 31 May 2025 (UTC).

  •  Reviewing... since it is a lengthy article, I might not post the finished review until tomorrow. Flibirigit (talk) 18:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - ?
  • Interesting: No - ?
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: GA status achieved on May 24, and nominated for DYK on May 31. Length is adequate. Sourcing is mostly good, but I added one citation needed tag to a paragraph without a clear source. The tone overall is neutral, but some sections need work. In the first paragraph of the location section, there are consecutive sentences using "Capital Beltway" and "iconic landmark". For easier tone, these should be combined with a footnote to explain the sourcing. I suggesting using {{efn}}. The "location" section seems more about the cultural impact of "Surrender Dorothy" rather than the physical location. As such, as it seems misnamed, and out of place. In the "Design and architecture" section, this sentence makes no sense to me: "The central eastern tower is 288 feet (88 m) tall, the tallest of the church's temples at the time of its dedication". How can a tower be the tallest temple? Please clarify. In the same section, the terms "Melchizedek priesthood" and "Aaronic priesthood" should be linked to something, as a non-Mormon is unlikely to know their meaning. Hooks analysis: I cannot locate ALT0 anywhere in the article, ideally it should be in the "Construction: section. ALT1 is possibly cited in the second paragraph of the "Design and architecture" section, but the language is too dissimilar to verify. The cited passage should be very clear it is talk about the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and not just any church. ALT2 appears to be cited from multiple sentence in "The site" section, all of which will need a citation as per WP:DYKHFC. ALT3 is mentioned in the article, properly cited, and verified by the sources. ALT4 cannot be located in the article, specifically the proper noun "Salt Lake City Temple". Only 1 of 5 hooks adheres to DYK criteria at this time. All of the images used in the article have a public domain license on the Commons. The hook's image is used in the article, clear at a low resolution, and enahances the hook. QPQ is not required. Checks for plagiarism are still ongoing, and will take a while due to many quotes in the article. I have also done a lot of copyediting to the article for things that were not caught during the GA review. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 21:46, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Clarifying my above comment: I am looking into whether WP:OVERQUOTING is a problem here. Flibirigit (talk) 21:50, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
@Flibirigit: thank you for the feedback. I addressed the issues you mentioned, and I’m grateful for the feedback you gave for the rest of the article, and for the DYK components. I don’t often use the efn tag, I’ve attempted an edit on the page, but I’m not sure if it’s displaying correctly. I also added clarity to the part you mentioned about the temple being an iconic landmark, renamed the header to be more relevant to the section, and added all the information from the DYK nomination to the body of the article in the relevant places that you mentioned. What do you think of the hooks now?
I also added the hyperlinks that anyone who is not a member of the Church would not be familiar with (As an aside, the term “Mormon” has been asked by the Church to not be used to refer to members, and has asked instead that members be called ‘Latter-day Saint(s)’, partly to avoid misunderstanding about beliefs of the Church (IE, belief in Jesus Christ)).
As far as overquoting goes, the manual of style says that overuse happens when the quotations dominate the article or section. I addressed a different section under ‘Design and architecture’ that had a large quote that was not needed. The section that overquoting may apply to the most is the “Location and surrender Dorothy” section, but the quotes are used in such a way that it's easier to simply use the quote. Similarly, paraphrasing the idea would take just as many, if not more words, and the quotes are pertinent to the section, as the manual of style suggests, so that should be resolved. Thanks again for doing the extra copyediting, you didn’t have to do that. Itsetsyoufree32 (talk) 21:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
I am still working through the quotes and copyvio checks. I hope to post a final review by this weekend. Flibirigit (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the quick reply! No rush on the review. And thank you again for helping me fix the efn issues, especially so quickly. Itsetsyoufree32 (talk) 21:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
I apologize that real life has been crazy lately. Reviews usually don't take this long. Will chip away this week. Flibirigit (talk) 03:15, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
Further apologies for the lack of comments here. I will get this done before I leave for vacation on Friday. Flibirigit (talk) 16:11, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
I've gone through this today, and made some minor changes. I don't think overquoting is an issue here. Will post a final wrap by tonight. Flibirigit (talk) 18:02, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
Great, thank you, and thanks for sticking to it. I'm looking forward to what you think of the hooks and any remaining parts of the article. Itsetsyoufree32 (talk) 22:36, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Approving ALT1, ALT2, ALT3, and ALT4. All four hooks are all properly mentioned, cited, and verified. The nominated article now adheres to all DYL criteria as the nominator has addressed concerns for sourcing, neutrality, paraphrasing, and the four approved hooks. Not approving ALT0 at this time. The source for ALT0 states "seeking information about its purpose", whereas the article states "curiosity about the faith", and the hook states "curiosity about what goes on inside". Since all three use different wordings, the hook is likely to be questioned whether it is precise. I suggest using the word "purpose" for ease of verification and consistency. I am willing to revisit if the nominator wishes to pursue ALT0. Flibirigit (talk) 02:34, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
Great, glad to hear that it was approved. I think I'd prefer ALT2 to be the one we go with, so if you're okay with that, we can strike the other ones and go with that for now, or at least put it above ALT1, as I feel that ALT2 is more intriguing. Let me know what you think. Thank you again for sticking to it and finishing the hook process. Itsetsyoufree32 (talk) 20:19, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
Flibirigit is ALT0 approved if it ends after "Beltway"? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:59, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
ALT0a: ... that the Washington D.C. Temple (pictured) was moved 60 feet to exactly align with the Capital Beltway? - and I approve this.--Launchballer 17:22, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
Approving ALT0a in addition to the previously approved hooks. I have struck ALT0 accordingly. Flibirigit (talk) 17:26, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
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