Template:Did you know nominations/Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra
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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:41, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
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Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra
- ... that the Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra, founded in 1925, gave in 2022 a solidarity concert with Ukraine after the Russian invasion, of music by Ukrainian and Georgian composers? Source: [1]
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 2144 past nominations.
Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 20 May 2025 (UTC).
- I would personally trim the hook to just this:
- ALT0a ... that in 2022, the Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra performed a solidarity concert with Ukraine featuring music by Ukrainian and Georgian composers?
- I think there is some potential in the original hook fact, it's just worded awkwardly and I don't think the founding date is important to the main hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:11, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- I think a centenary is worth mentioning. I also would like to point at how immediately after the invasion that was - perhaps you have an idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- The primary hook fact is that they performed a solidarity concert following the invasion of Ukraine. Them being founded in 1925 is irrelevant to that. Again, WP:DYKTRIM applies:
...don't be afraid to trim hooks of extraneous information and clauses... In general, the shorter and punchier the hook, the more impact it has.
If your desire is for the hook to run on the orchestra's centennial year, just it being approved and running is all that's needed. No need to mention the year since it's irrelevant to the hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:24, 23 May 2025 (UTC)- ALT0b ... that following Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra performed a solidarity concert featuring music by Ukrainian and Georgian composers?
- I think that our readers, who are expected not to know this orchestra even existed, get valuable extra information by telling them (in a short phrase) about the groups's long history, - a background giving the fact more depth. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:22, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT0c: ... that the Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra, founded in 1925, gave a solidarity concert with Ukraine soon after the Russian invasion? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I'm happy with ALT0c on an interestingness level. Do you plan on giving this a full review?--Launchballer 11:46, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I was not planning on giving this a full review. However, I don't think we should go with ALT0c as written because I still feel that the year is trimmable. I am open to a variant of ALT0c that omits the year, as I really don't think that the foundation year is an essential part of the main hook fact. So basically something like: ALT0d: ... that the Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra gave a solidarity concert with Ukraine soon after the Russian invasion? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:11, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
I think the centenary adds interest, but don't feel strongly enough either way. I'll let a reviewer adjudicate.--Launchballer 12:15, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- One issue is that it might be easy to miss the centenary point, so even if that was the reason for including the year, it might take a while for the reader to register if (if they register it at all). It's also probably less relevant to the hook fact because the concert was in 2022 and not in 2025, so the year really isn't really relevant at all. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:19, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- Even if you "miss" the centenary point, you can see that there is a long history (to be explored when you click), vs. just some short-time action. We have different readers, and some may be interested in history and perspective. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:44, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- One issue is that it might be easy to miss the centenary point, so even if that was the reason for including the year, it might take a while for the reader to register if (if they register it at all). It's also probably less relevant to the hook fact because the concert was in 2022 and not in 2025, so the year really isn't really relevant at all. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:19, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I was not planning on giving this a full review. However, I don't think we should go with ALT0c as written because I still feel that the year is trimmable. I am open to a variant of ALT0c that omits the year, as I really don't think that the foundation year is an essential part of the main hook fact. So basically something like: ALT0d: ... that the Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra gave a solidarity concert with Ukraine soon after the Russian invasion? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:11, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I'm happy with ALT0c on an interestingness level. Do you plan on giving this a full review?--Launchballer 11:46, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- ALT0b ... that following Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the Georgian Philharmonic Orchestra performed a solidarity concert featuring music by Ukrainian and Georgian composers?
- The primary hook fact is that they performed a solidarity concert following the invasion of Ukraine. Them being founded in 1925 is irrelevant to that. Again, WP:DYKTRIM applies:
- I think a centenary is worth mentioning. I also would like to point at how immediately after the invasion that was - perhaps you have an idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Long enough, new enough. QPQs are done and Earwig is clean. I'm fine with ALT0c from an interest standpoint (though it might flow better if 'the' was replaced with 'a' and the commas were removed), but it's cited to AllEvents.in, which sold tickets for the event, and I think this would deserve {{independent source inline}}.--Launchballer 01:54, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- I translated that. There is no doubt that it happened. - They also played in another one on 11 April. - I can't easily find things in Georgian, - help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Does the above satisfy your concerns? Is this approved, or are there other concerns to outline below? Z1720 (talk) 15:11, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Apologies for dropping this. ALT0c will be fine but I must ask for the AllEvents source to be replaced by the Fuckingyoung source.--Launchballer 18:49, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- I added that source, and made it "concerts" because one was on 9 April, and the other on 11 April (as said above). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Apologies for dropping this. ALT0c will be fine but I must ask for the AllEvents source to be replaced by the Fuckingyoung source.--Launchballer 18:49, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
