Template:Did you know nominations/Ann McMillan

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 11:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Ann McMillan

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... that composer Ann McMillan used magnetic tape as an instrument? Source: McMillan’s primary medium was magnetic tape, which she manipulated to create surreal soundscapes
- ALT1A: ... that Ann McMillan "played" a tape recorder for Edgard Varèse's Déserts piece? Source: Varèse would have a US premiere of Déserts under the direction of Frederick Waldman. At the performance ... I ‘played’ the tape machine.
- ALT1B: ... that Ann McMillan "played" a tape recorder at the United States premiere of Edgard Varèse's Déserts piece? Source: Same as ALT1A
- ALT2: ... that one music critic said that "all of Ann McMillan's materials are altered almost beyond recognition"? Source: Other pieces deal with human vocal sounds, insect sounds, bird calls, and water sounds, but like all of McMillan's materials, they are altered almost beyond recognition. It's a little like what happens to visual images when they get transformed into a Klee or a de Kooning.
- ALT3: ... that Ann McMillan recorded nature sounds within the woods around the MacDowell Colony while a fellow there? Source: There is Ann McMillan, who wanders around the woods taping animal sounds and "incidental noises of nature" for her musical compositions.
- ALT4A: ... that radio executive Ann McMillan asked Yoko Ono to "give [her daughter] to someone who loves her" after seeing how bad their home was? Source: McMillan ... quedó consternada al descubrir cómo vivian Yoko y Tony en losa dos pisos que habían ocupado durante el verano, uno en Hudson Street y el otro en Christopher Street ... aquellos pisos mugrientos y pequeños eran ya el hogar de la pequeña Kyoko ... McMillan recordaba lo acongojada que se sentía al entrar en el piso y encontrarla en unas condiciones tan deplorables. ¿Por qué no dais a esa niña a alguien que la quiera?», estalló finalmente un día.
- ALT4B: ... that radio executive Ann McMillan asked Yoko Ono to "give [her daughter] to someone who loves her"? Source: Same as ALT4A
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Moved to mainspace by Miraclepine (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 68 past nominations.

ミラP@Miraclepine 17:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC).

Recently created, a proper biography in terms of length and citations. Considering the breadth of coverage, I am amazed that we did not have this article before. I have a few questions, Miraclepine. Should the article about Edgard Varèse not link to Ann McMillan? Who worked with Cox and who was married to Cox (not clear from the sentence)? In general the article needs to mention McMillan by name more frequently because "she" and "her" does not always result in perfect clarity. Could you please quote Hinkle-Turner? "A pioneer in women in electroacoustic music" sounds rather odd to me. The inclusion of a fair-use image contributes greatly to the quality of the article. I like ALT1A best, but the note in the article that she is credited as sound technician makes me wonder whether it is certainly accurate. How about saying that she recalled playing a tape recorder? Surtsicna (talk) 11:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

@Surtsicna: Not sure if I can fit her in the Varèse without being undue (my current time crunch with school doesn't help matters), but then it is optional and the page is also linked in Déserts.

I've changed the pronouns to surname in the Yoko Ono paragraph, but the rest of the paragraphs do not mention any women where her pronouns would be ambiguous, so I'm keeping the rest.

The Hinkle-Turner ref (viewable thru WL) says "The pioneering women discussed here represent only a few of the women composers active in the early days of electroacoustic music in the United States", and her sentence just describes what she did; should be fine.

Even if the sound technician credit is accurate, a sound technician can also be broadly said to "play" a tape recorder. I'll let a promoter decide, but at the least how about:

ALT1C: ... that Ann McMillan recalled "playing" a tape recorder for Edgard Varèse's Déserts piece?
ALT1D: ... that Ann McMillan said that she "played" a tape recorder for Edgard Varèse's Déserts piece?

ミラP@Miraclepine 18:47, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

I still think that "a pioneer in women in electroacoustic music" is awkwardly phrased; I changed it to "a pioneer for women in electroacoustic music". I very much like ALT1C and recommend it to the promoter. It is not likely to be challenged. Surtsicna (talk) 21:16, 21 January 2025 (UTC)