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A fact from Swim School appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 February 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a Swim School song described by one reviewer as "a heavy dystopian doom rocker" was originally performed by Taylor Swift?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2025/February. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Swim School.

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Hi @Launchballer, i've made a start to this article and thought you might want to give a hand as I know this sort of article is right up your street! I've gathered some sources I haven't already used yet that we can both use too :)

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Also just wanted to say thank you again for all the help with the James Marriott page :) George (talk) 15:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I can take a look at this. I should say that Wikipedia tends to ignore stylisations per MOS:TM; see also User talk:Launchballer/archive/2023/1101-1200#Piri and Piri & Tommy stylisations.--Laun chba ller 09:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article looks unreal! Will make note of that, was unsure of the rules on that as pages like will.i.am have stylisation like that but I get it now haha, thank you!! George (talk) 20:15, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is that will.i.am is more universal, whereas some sources say swim school and others say Swim School. Incidentally, I've nominated this for GA for no reason other than DYK is in backlog mode, which means that because I have more than 20 credits, I would have to submit two QPQs instead of one - you are more than welcome to nominate in the interim.--Laun chba ller 08:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Swim School/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Launchballer (talk · contribs) 08:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: AirshipJungleman29 (talk · contribs) 00:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take this review; it'll be used as part of the WikiCup and the ongoing backlog drive. Please consider signing up for both, but especially the latter—the GA backlog is large. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Will assess any concerns once I've slept, as I was about to go up. In the interim, pinging @Georgeykiwi:, with whom I wrote this.--Laun chba ller 00:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, ~~fiction, and list incorporation~~:
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A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

C. It contains no original research:

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
Is it broad in its coverage?
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B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
Is it neutral?
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Comments

Images are fine. Article is stable.
Lead section needs to summarise the "artistry" subsection.

Added a sentence.--Laun chba ller 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Mitchell and Milne later left the band" is sort of glossed over in the body — we have "the first song they recorded without Milne" and "Swim School became a three-piece in November 2022". A bit more clarity there would be nice. Also, since it wasn't always a three-piece, the first sentence could just say "Scottish indie rock band".

Clarified both, reworded first sentence.--Laun chba ller 14:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not silly enough to invoke MOS:OVERSECTION as part of the GA criteria, but the three subsections in "History" are unneeded—the prose would probably flow better without any.

~~Cut down to two.--Laun chba ller 14:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)~~ Ended up cutting both anyway.--Laun chba ller 22:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"told Bodega Social Club in May 2020" is unneeded—a huge amount of information in the article comes from what the band members have revealed, so it's not really relevant when and who they told. Same goes for the numerous other times in the article: "an August 2021 interview with Guitar.com", "a January 2024 interview with The Skinny", etc. The phrasing of "used an interview to say something" is also somewhat odd.

Removed all except for the last two sentences of Artistry, as they comprise attributed opinions. The words "used" and "interview" no longer appear in the article.--Laun chba ller 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That Bunting was previously in bands is mentioned twice.

Actually, I've cut both as well as much of that paragraph, as I suspect using the bandmembers as sources on other bandmembers violates WP:BLP.--Laun chba ller 22:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure the lengthy quote on the side is needed, considering the event is summarised in the body.

Cut.--Laun chba ller 14:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"They met up again after the first lockdown, and invited Indigo Velvet's guitarist Billy McMahon along" seems a bit excessive detail, but if it is to be kept, "first lockdown" should be linked for non-UK readers.

Trimmed.--Laun chba ller 14:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"explaining their unusual release strategy to Metal, the band attributed the practice to wanting to surprise their fans" "strategy" and "practice" implies this wasn't the only time such a thing happened, but the source doesn't suggest that, I don't think. You could cut everything bar "to surprise their fans".

Trimmed.--Laun chba ller 14:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is inclusion on a "Hype List 2024" an award/accolade? Seems a bit far-fetched to me. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cut - I found a secondary source that mentions it, so I added it to the body. I believe I've resolved all your concerns @AirshipJungleman29:, please ping if I've forgotten anything.--Laun chba ller 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Spotcheck

Five sources checked, all good there.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 20:21, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a Swim School song described by one reviewer as "a heavy dystopian doom rocker" was originally by Taylor Swift? Source: https://www.undertheradarmag.com/interviews/swim_school_on_expanding_their_sound_during_lockdown_and_their_upcoming_deb
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2019 NFC Divisional Playoff game (Seattle–Green Bay)

Improved to Good Article status by Launchballer (talk) and Georgeykiwi (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 264 past nominations.

Laun chba ller 18:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Everything looks good. Would rewrite hook to note that this was a cover. My first read of this suggested the song was only authored by Swift but not part of her discography. Otherwise, looks pretty good! ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:05, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that "originally by" indicated that it was a cover, but would ALT1: ... that a Swim School song described by one reviewer as "a heavy dystopian doom rocker" was originally performed by Taylor Swift? work?--Laun chba ller 22:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Approving both. Thank! ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Skinny

Hi @Launchballer: just to note that this article has two different references with the name <ref name="skinny">. Would you be able to rename one of them and go through clearing up the other uses to make sure each one corresponds to the correct source? Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 18:16, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]