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A fact from Leander Wiegand appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 June 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that German athlete Leander Wiegand received a scholarship to play American football at an American college that had never seen him play?
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@BeanieFan11: Could we slightly reword hook to ALT1 "... that German athlete Leander Wiegand received a scholarship to play American football at an American college that had never seen him play?" "German American football player" reads a little ambiguous; reads like "German-American". This is also more concise I think. QPQ done, article long enough, reliably sourced, hook reliably sourced, no copyvio, article new enough at time of nom, no subjective issues with article I can spot. grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 01:12, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11, grapesurgeon (fantastic username), and AirshipJungleman29: I've pulled this hook partially because there's a fatal defect with the hook itself and partially because I'm not comfortable with the article's current sourcing. First, the hook is sourced to a the player's self-proclaimed mentor giving an interview to a league they've both played in. Interviews can be reliable, but I don't see how this one can be given that the interviewer isn't a professional journalist, the publication isn't independent, and the interviewee is essentially self-publishing claims about a living third party. Second – and this is more subjective – articles should be based on independent sources, but I'm seeing more citations to league publications than I am actual independent publications (and that's before we get into the fact that apparently, the fantastically-named Hamburger Morgenpost disappointingly uses AI in its editorial work). So, sending this back here for more work – hopefully there's a better source to back up the hook, or another hook that can be found? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:54, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: This is one of those things where I'm thinking "I don't see how this could be wrong". The hook would be true unless his mentor is completely lying – for them to have watched him play, they would have needed to send out scouts to Germany (since he didn't play in the U.S. by that point), something very unlikely. However, what do you think about something like ALT1 ... that NFL player Leander Wiegand formerly played handball in Germany? / ALT2 ... that NFL player Leander Wiegand only became interested in American football at age 19? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:12, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, hang on. If the draw of the original hook is that it's unusual for him to have gotten that scholarship without the college having seen him play, how can it also be so trivial as to not even need more than one person's word to support it? If it's intuitively obvious, I wouldn't want to dress it up as unusual or intriguing. I think the new alts are best handled by another reviewer, and the sourcing issues with the article overall do still need to be addressed. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Its very rare that German athletes receive college football scholarships to begin with, but I could accept going with either alt. Aside from that, what number of 'non-independent' sources do you prefer be replaced with independent sources? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:11, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Enough to meet the WP:RS requirement that Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, I s'pose? Hard to put a specific number on it. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 05:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looks a lot better! Would you be willing to replace the Hamburg Morgenpost citation? I think I'd place that publication as categorically unreliable, although the information it's being cited for is pretty basic. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 03:04, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Of the two hooks, I prefer ALT1 (about handball); think it's slightly more interesting. Imo both hooks are less interesting than the original that I had approved, but I can see how changes were necessary. It's a German-language source fyi, but the sentence it's in is readable enough to an English speaker. grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 12:00, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
approved with my alternate hook above. grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 03:23, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
I've pulled this hook partially because there's a fatal defect with the hook itself and partially because I'm not comfortable with the article's current sourcing. First, the hook is sourced to a the player's self-proclaimed mentor giving an interview to a league they've both played in. Interviews can be reliable, but I don't see how this one can be given that the interviewer isn't a professional journalist, the publication isn't independent, and the interviewee is essentially self-publishing claims about a living third party. Second – and this is more subjective – articles should be based on independent sources, but I'm seeing more citations to league publications than I am actual independent publications (and that's before we get into the fact that apparently, the fantastically-named Hamburger Morgenpost disappointingly uses AI in its editorial work). So, sending this back here for more work – hopefully there's a better source to back up the hook, or another hook that can be found? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:54, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
pinging grapesurgeon to see if they or anyone else want to look at the new ALTs. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 03:15, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
