Talk:Deadlock (video game)

Deadlock can be played on Linux with Proton

This is a fact, @SilviaASH. Why remove factual, encyclopaedic information relevant to the subject of the article? If a better source is needed, then we must find one. TurboSuperA+_(talk) 04:28, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, but Wikipedia is not a game guide. The information that Deadlock can be played on Linux with Proton hasn't got any significant coverage, and it's not important to mention in the article. It doesn't warrant a mention here for the same reason that the article on Shadow the Hedgehog doesn't say that the game can be played on personal computers using Dolphin. Sure it can be, and I can play Dishonored using my girlfriend's Switch controller on PC, and some people can get to the top of the Whomp's Fortress Tower in Super Mario 64 while pressing the A button on the N64 controller only once- or even zero times! All of these are things you can do with video games! Do they meet the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia? Probably not!

Something being true does not in itself merit inclusion, per WP:INDISCRIMINATE, and there is no consensus that Gaming On Linux is a reliable source. Once again, if you think it should be considered a reliable source, please, do bring the issue up at WT:VG/S. To avoid edit warring, I will not revert you again, but I maintain that I do not think this information warrants inclusion. I will wait for others to weigh in on the matter. silviaASH (inquire within) 04:37, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

I'd like to add, also, that if anyone wants to know if a game can be played using Proton, they are already well-served by ProtonDB. There is nothing lost by us not including such information. They're a database. We aren't. silviaASH (inquire within) 04:39, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

The infobox does have a "Platform" parameter (although Linux isn't listed), so it is relevant for video games on which systems it can be played. Unless "Platform" parameter means on which system the game was released first.

if you think it should be considered a reliable source

But I don't. I said that just because a source is considered unreliable that doesn't mean that it should be deleted on sight, WP:CONTEXTMATTERS. We aren't using GoL to say something like "there used to be an ancient civilization on Mars", it's been used to say that a game can be played on Linux. I also added a "better source needed" template, so I clearly don't think GoL is a WP:RS, but for this uncontroversial statement it's fine until we find something better.

There is nothing lost by us not including such information

That's a different argument. I think that what systems a video game can be played on is due for inclusion in that video game's article, especially when it comes to one of the three major systems (Win, Mac and Lin). I think readers of an encyclopaedia article on a video game are interested in what systems it can be played on, WP:IAR.

It wasn't me who originally added the information, it was an IP on 30 June 2025, I happen to agree with them. So I think leaving it in is the status quo while we discuss the merits and demerits of inclusion.

I'm happy to wait for more input or we can ask for a third opinion. TurboSuperA+_(talk) 05:06, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

RfC on mentioning Proton

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Should the article for Deadlock say that the game can be played on Linux using Proton?

Options:

• A: Yes, the article should make mention of the game being able to be played on Linux using Proton
• B: No, the article should not make mention of the game being able to be played on Linux using Proton

silviaASH (inquire within) 05:54, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Survey

• B. The article should not make any such mention. With only one source for this fact, that being this Gaming on Linux article (listed as an unreliable source at WP:VG/S), there is no evidence that the ability to play Deadlock on Linux using Proton is notable. As Wikipedia is not a WP:GAMEGUIDE, and Valve will most likely produce official Linux builds for the game given time, this information is not worth mentioning here and would almost certainly become irrelevant after a while anyways. silviaASH (inquire within) 06:01, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
• (Summoned by bot) B. The only other mentions of Proton on video game articles on Wikipedia seem to be because they're Valve games and transclude Template:Valve, which has a link to Proton's page. The Steam Deck and articles like Wine (software) mention it directly because Proton is a major part of them. I don't see any reason to mention Proton as a way to play the game when it's not unique to Deadlock and has no major coverage. It's like saying you can use Wine to run Windows-based programs on OSX. Technically true, but not really relevant to the article. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 07:52, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
• B knowning Valve, they will most likely release a Linux version when the game gets officially released, like how they did for HL Alyx. Until then, the game seems to be only playable on Windows. I have not seen RS mentioning the game being playable on Proton. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 11:04, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
• B(Summoned by bot) Like the others I don't see a compelling reason to include this information and the call for a procedural close lacks merit. Nemov (talk) 21:53, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
• B Per MOS:VG and the {{Infobox video game}}, emulation is not a platform that is included as an official platform for release for a game, and Linux support via Proton falls under that - otherwise, we'd have to basically classify lots and lots of games that work on the Steam Deck but lack a native Linux release as being a Linux platform. If third-party sources have noted that the game works using Proton, that can be included in the Development section as part of the release, but should not be called out in the infobxo or lede. Masem (t) 23:59, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
• B. For the very good reasons mentioned above. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 17:19, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• B For a similar reason that we don't mention whether an older console game can be played on emulator. Not intended by the developers, therefore not relevant unless particularly mentioned heavily in the media for some reason. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:57, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Procedural. This RfC is a bit premature as RfCs are a last resort once all other avenues of dispute resolution have been tried. Since there's only two of us in the discussion WP:3O would have sufficed, I think. If you withdraw the RfC we can seek a third opinion. TurboSuperA+_(talk) 06:14, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

The article has a history of IP editors edit warring over the issue (usually by adding "Linux (Proton)" to the platforms field in the infobox), and I think it's better to just firmly establish a community consensus about it, which would also serve as precedent should the issue of noting Proton be raised on the talk pages of other video game articles as well. silviaASH (inquire within) 06:21, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Close

The consensus is clear, I think the RfC can be closed per WP:SNOW. Instructions at WP:CR say not to bother with a request when the result is obvious. I don't have anything against you closing the RfC, @SilviaASH. TurboSuperA+_(talk) 08:56, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Expanded

I went on to expand the article and remove all unsourced content from the article. I've kept the Proton mention considering that the RfC is still ongoing. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 12:09, 27 July 2025 (UTC)