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"The gunmen then left the scene, shouting (according to witnesses), "We have avenged the Prophet Muhammad. We have killed Charlie Hebdo!"[66][67][62][61]"
Why "according to witnesses"? We have video. Please remove this part in parentheses.
In the first paragraph the article reads, "and the first massacre ever to have occurred at a studio associated with an entertainment company, and the animation industry."
Wouldn't the Charlie Hebdo shooting be the first shooting of an Entertainment company in the animation industry? I get if you want to argue that animation isnt the same as cartooning, but it was clearly a massacre of illustrators at satire magazine.
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The article states that Coco Rey’s daughter was with her when the attackers came to Charlie Hebdo. I have read several articles in English and French — interviews with Coco — that state she was on her way to pick up her daughter from daycare, and her daughter was not with her at the time. The included source (French) for that sentence says the same. 149.71.62.174 (talk) 17:28, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We shouldn't use unreliable sources in Wikipedia, and particularly not ones found to be generally unreliable in a broad general RFC. Is there a reason the source is so apposite here that it would be a failure of NPOV not to include it? Doesn't seem to be. You could take the question for a spin at WP:RSN. so as to avoid risking an invalid WP:LOCALCONSENSUS - David Gerard (talk) 23:44, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@David O. Johnson I think it's an absolutely ridiculous removal. The citation was there simply to state that the publication in question reposted the cartoons, which is true. The citation isn't used for making any other factual claim. The same is true of Gawker, which is listed right beside it.
Both WP:SELFSOURCE and WP:NEWSOPED state that self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves. FreeBeacon and Gawker reposted the cartoons, and that is the only thing being asserted - not any editorial commentary or reporting. This is a straightforward case of verifying that a source published something, not assessing the truth of the underlying material. Removing the Gawker and Free Beacon citations on the basis of general reliability completely misunderstands the context in which they're being used.
"Some English-language media outlets republished the cartoons on their websites in the hours following the shootings. Prominent examples included Bloomberg News, The Huffington Post, The Daily Beast, Gawker, Vox, and The Washington Free Beacon."
On an slightly unrelated note, we had consensus to keep those citations in a footer note. They shouldn't have been removed from the note and re-inserted directly into the text again. It's once again very hard to read. They should be put back.