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Grace Baptist School (Portland, Maine)

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Kept at AFD in 2008; apparently largely on the then-held basis that all schools are notable. Tagged as unsourced since 2018 and appears to have been generally unsourced since creation aside from linking to the school's website. This is not really significant coverage. There are other such brief descriptions in the newspapers.com archives of the Evening Express, most of which are mainly drawn from interviews with the school's administration. Some minor coverage in this book but I don't think we can base an article meeting WP:NORG for a nonprofict private school based on brief annual newspaper announcements stating that the school had opened for the year and two brief passages in a book stating that the school had strict rules about hairstyles and that a "Let's get rowdy" cheer chant had been suppressed. The 2008 AFD included a reference to sources existing but none were produced. Hog Farm _Talk 05:16, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The first nomination was at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grace Baptist School; in 2013, a few years after that nomination, it was determined that there was no primary topic for "Grace Baptist School", such that this article was renamed and Grace Baptist School has pointed to Grace Baptist (then a dab page but now an article) ever since. (I note this for completeness; I have no opinion on the article or its sourcing, potential or otherwise.) WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:24, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Elie Farah

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No sign of notability. Zuck28 (talk) 23:26, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: A pretty weak deletion rationale. Per WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES, it would be fairly unprecedented to delete an article on a verifiable Catholic bishop, since there are almost always sources to support notability per WP:NEXIST. He's discussed with some depth in this 2023 book and there are almost certain to be print and/or Greek/Arabic sources on this figure. Was his name searched in Greek or Arabic? Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:21, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Essentially per Dclemens1971. And frankly deleting an article for someone who is a Catholic bishop just seems weird. JoshuaZ (talk) 17:56, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the book source identified above, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:33, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Corpus Christi Catholic Church, Wokingham

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Not seeing any independent WP:SIGCOV leading to a WP:GNG pass for this local Catholic parish church. Sources in the article include non-independent sites (parish webpage, parish newsletter, schooll webpage, the diocesan website [1], [2]), the WP:UGC GenUKI (see [Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_298#Royalcruft_again]); WP:PRIMARYSOURCE directory pages ([3], [4]); and a WP:TRIVIALMENTION ([5]. A WP:BEFORE search turns up many more directory listings and trivial mentions (example) but nothing we can work with for notability. Open to a redirect to Roman Catholic Diocese of Portsmouth but bringing it to AfD for that consensus since a draftification was contested with the addition of non-qualifying sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:14, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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delete as a run-of-the-mill parish. I wouldn't redirect to the diocese as there is no list of parishes. Mangoe (talk) 21:03, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Catholic theology on the body

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This article is original research/synthesis through-and-through and has not substantially changed from its original form in 2008, which was previously nominated for deletion and kept on dubious grounds—WP:ILIKEIT, the original author of the article declaring his topic to be kept, and another who unfortunately simply did not understand that the content of the article is original research.

Speaking from my professional qualifications as a Catholic theologian: The term "theology of the body" (not "theology on the body", which appears to be a name a user made up moving the page in 2020 and sounds like bad English at best) refers properly to a series of addresses made by Pope John Paul II. The article identifies a grab bag of Patristic and medieval sources as proponents of a discrete "theology of the body" which they were collectively developing as opposed to being various sources—some of whom were close collaborators, such as Ambrose and Augustine, and some of whom were at odds—who at times spoke of issues that today may be called theological anthropology. The verifiability of the references has been unclear for years as the Talk page reveals.

It may be possible to invoke WP:TNT here—I think it is possible to have an encyclopedic article on the history of Christian views of the human body—but as it is, this is original research, not a history of Christian anthropology. M.A.Spinn (talk) 03:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I agree that this title is malformed, and further that I would expect JPII's writings to be the PRIMARYTOPIC here. So, maybe a redirection is in order? Jclemens (talk) 05:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's already a separate article for JPII's writings. And of course, the difference is that the JPII article isn't original research and is about a notable topic with a body of secondary literature associated with it whereas the article I have nominated is a case of original research. Deleting and making a redirect to that article or even Christian anthropology may be appropriate. M.A.Spinn (talk) 13:59, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Seems to be some sort of SYNTH at work... The Church has various positions on the human body, but this doesn't seem to be related to that. Most of the opening paragraphs are unsourced, then go on quoting primary texts with sourcing. There's something here, as the Church has discussed the human body and how it should be viewed, but this doesn't seem to cover it. Oaktree b (talk) 14:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, starting with the lead, the first sentence is straight up wrong (no one outside of this article says "theology on the body") and furthermore the second sentence "The dogma of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, defined in Pope Pius XII's 1950 apostolic constitution Munificentissimus Deus, is one of the most recent developments in the Catholic theology of the body" is simply nonsense (even if it were sourced!)—a doctrine happening to involve bodies does not make it "theology of the body." So the article taking a bunch of random sources and insisting they represent a consistent development of a particular doctrine is 100% a WP:SYNTH issue. M.A.Spinn (talk) 15:36, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - a classic SYNTH: throwing together a few isolated sources into an essay. Bearian (talk) 00:19, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Theology of the Body: as a plausible search sequence for the proposed target. Eliminates the WP:OR and WP:NOESSAY problems in this article. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:19, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Centre County Christian Academy

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Currently unsourced. Found one source in a book (Route 26 Transportation Improvements, Centre County; page 143), but its a passing mention. Otherwise cannot find sources. Roast (talk) 19:55, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - tiny, private school; article essentially has been unsourced for 18 years. Bearian (talk) 02:42, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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St. Patrick Church (Wyandotte)

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Apparently non-notable parish church in metro Detroit. The only source provided is an official parish history, which is obviously non-independent. A WP:BEFORE search turns up nothing usable except a local news piece on its 155th anniversary, which is not enough on its own for a WP:GNG pass as a standalone page. Open to a redirect to List_of_churches_in_the_Roman_Catholic_Archdiocese_of_Detroit#South_Region, where it is mentioned, but bringing it to AfD since it has already been draftified and returned to mainspace without improvements, so I didn't think a WP:BLAR was appropriate in that situation. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:24, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I found more in a WP:BEFORE search including sources from 1890: [6]. The book Catholic Churches of Detroit (Godzak, 2004) may not quite be SIGCOV, but there's good mention in Irish in Michigan (Metress & Metress, 2006). I stopped searching there. This absolutely needs better sources, I'm not yet convinced it's a keep but if it's not it's not too far off. SportingFlyer T·C 08:15, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to the list article recommended by Dclemens1971. —A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 04:18, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Trinity Christian School (Morgantown, West Virginia)

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this school article, and added a ref. I don't see WP:THREE instances of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, however, and don't think the school meets WP:NCORP, WP:GNG or WP:NSCHOOL. Redirect to Morgantown, West Virginia#Private schools is a possibility. Tacyarg (talk) 19:32, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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At least Weak Keep. Ideally, I'd like to see more in depth coverage from sources from further away, but there's a lot of documentation and enough I could find from other newspapers in the state.
- "Trinity, St. Francis Schools Expand in Morgantown" (Feb 2006)[7] State Journal, Charleston
- "Trinity Christian School Breaks Ground on New Wing" (November 2004)[8] Dominion Post
- Residents Question Trinity Christians Impact (August 2004)[9] Dominion Post
- "Trinity Christian opens new campus, transportation issues arise"(April 2005)[10] Dominion Post
- "Trinity Adds Finishing Touches" (August 2005)[11] Dominion Post
- "Trinity for sale to highest bidder: Bank looking to sell bankrupt Christian school" (May 2010) [12], Dominion Post
- "Bank wants to sell bankrupt private school in Morgantown"(May 2010) [13], Charleston Gazette
- "Trinity to keep school: Reaches deal with bank for $5 million" (July 2010) [14] Dominion Post
- "Prep Sports:: Morgantown Christian school getting ready to tackle football" (Jan 2009) [15]" Charleston Daily Mail
- More[16][17][18][19][20][21]

There are also hundreds of more routine sports articles, which actually makes it difficult to find the more in depth ones Jahaza (talk) 23:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete as private school it will have to pass WP:NORG and I dont see any substantial in depth coverage from multiple independent sources. There is some coverage from a single newspaper but a lot is run of the mill and not in-depth, one single source is not multiple and trivial coverage of sports events does not constitute SIGCOV. --hroest
Weak keep - compared with most independent schools, this seems to get a lot of (at least local) media coverage. Bearian (talk) 17:17, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. Weak arguments on both sides of the fence here.
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Keep In situations like this, I would normally go to Newspapers.com for sources. However, content from that state is surprisingly scarce. Sources in old newspapers likely exist, but they are hard to find. BeanieFan11, you are much better at navigating the Newspaper Archive than me. Is there anything you can do? The Knowledge Pirate (talk) 19:06, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

St. Ilija Macedonian Orthodox Church, Mississauga

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Already had a notability template on it. Can't really find any information about it online except the church's "About" page, which has been directly copy-pasted into the article. Currently have a copyvio template up, but it might be best for the article to just go. Spookyaki (talk) 18:17, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - obviously self-promotional article of the church. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 23:27, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I will note that I tagged this article for notability alongside the other North American Macedonian Orthodox churches listed in this template: St. Nedela (Ajax), Sts. Cyril & Methody (Blasdell), St. Mary (Cambridge), St. Naum of Ohrid (Hamilton), St. Dimitrija Solunski (Markham), St. Ilija (Mississauga), Nativity of the Virgin Mary (Sterling Heights), Dormition of the Virgin Mary (Reynoldsburg), St. Clement of Ohrid (Toronto), St. Nicholas (Windsor). Not explicitly voting here because I haven't conducted a detailed WP:BEFORE, but I'll note that I'm not optimistic based on the lack of coverage for several other churches on this list I looked at. The best chance for coverage may be in Macedonian-language sources. Cheers, Suriname0 (talk) 23:57, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisting comment: Previous WP:PROD candidate, ineligible for soft deletion.
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Question - would it be possible to consolidate all these articles into one list that meets WP:NLIST? --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 02:59, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @Suriname0, since it seems like they might have the most precise knowledge of the articles as a group. Spookyaki (talk) 04:42, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've done very little list editing, so NLIST is a bit of a mystery to me. Certainly, non-independent sources discuss the members of the diocese as a group: The Diocese of America and Canada today consists of 19 parishes and two monastic communities in the United States as well as nine parishes and one monastic community in Canada. Total of 28 parishes and 2 monasteries. The Bishop’s seat is in Sterling Heights, Michigan.^[1] There's ambiguity to me around the parishes (which I might call "organizations" or "communities") and the actual church buildings. It seems plausible to me that a semi-independent source exists describing the creation of the American-Canadian diocese and its parishes,^[2] although I don't have one to hand. Editorially, I do think a list would be the best way to include this content on Wikipedia. I will note that at least the bishop's church/cathedral is likely to exist as its own article, as its AfD is trending toward an IAR keep: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nativity of the Virgin Mary Macedonian Orthodox Cathedral, Sterling Heights, Michigan To the closer: a redirect to Macedonian Orthodox Diocese of America and Canada is a plausible ATD here, if a list article is not created. Cheers, Suriname0 (talk) 14:03, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all into a list. That sounds like an excellent solution. BD2412 T 03:34, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like we maybe want to make a list of the churches. Does anyone want to make the list then? I don’t have any prior experience with lists like that, but could give it a shot once I’m back from vacation, particularly if someone gave me a similar list to use for reference. I suppose the list would be “List of Macedonian Orthodox Church buildings” or something similar? Spookyaki (talk) 19:40, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "American-Canadian Macedonian Orthodox Diocese". stspeterandpaulmoc.org. Retrieved 2025-06-16.
^ "Macedonian Orthodox Church: American-Canadian Diocese (1967 - Present) - Religious Group". Association of Religion Data Archives (ARDA). Retrieved 2025-06-16.

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Relisting comment: Given the suggestion of a fairly complex ATD, I think some further discussion is worthwhile here.
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Merge: into a list of the various parish churches as suggested seems fine. This building isn't a notable structure and has no notability otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 14:36, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nativity of the Virgin Mary Macedonian Orthodox Cathedral, Sterling Heights, Michigan

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This building doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG or WP:NBUILDING. I added the only sources I could find to the article, and the only secondary source with significant coverage is Mactel Australian Macedonian News, which looks tenuously reliable to me. There may be significant coverage in Macedonian language sources. No obvious redirect targets. Suriname0 (talk) 06:09, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The content itself is mostly generic info about the church and a piece of trivia about it. No indication as to why it is relevant in itself, probably best to include information about it in the Macedonian Orthodox Church linked in the article itself. 37.211.69.56 (talk) 07:33, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. To my knowledge we have never deleted a single article about a cathedral of a significant denomination. Don't see any reason why we should start now. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:57, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi User:Necrothesp, this is my first nom of a building, so I'm glad to hear from an editor experienced in the space. Can you point me to the notability guideline you're using? I only see WP:GNG and WP:NBUILDING, neither of which seem to be met here. Suriname0 (talk) 16:21, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merely precedent and the fact that cathedrals are by definition significant buildings, so I think WP:COMMONSENSE could be said to apply. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Reasons to keep: Cathedral, over 50 years old. Reason to delete: not a huge amount of sources independent of the denomination. Bearian (talk) 15:45, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep: I don't like arguing that there's presumed notability, but we have verified that the cathedral is real and part of a major denomination (as opposed to a denomination of eight people with a house they call a cathedral). A good AtD option should deletion look more likely is redirecting to Macedonian Orthodox Diocese of America and Canada, the diocese that the cathedral is the seat of. ~ Pbritti (talk) 13:19, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Macedonian Orthodox Diocese of America and Canada: I am as likely as Necrothesp to lean toward keeping an article on a cathedral of a major church tradition, but I don't think that's the best option here -- precisely because I don't think we can currently verify it is a cathedral. The church's website uses the name church for it, with one brief mention to cathedral in its history. Same with MACTEL. A search of the book South Slavs in Michigan doesn't turn up a reference to its being a cathedral. Meanwhile, our article on the diocese says that another church is the cathedral: Macedonian Orthodox Cathedral of the Dormition of the Virgin Mary, Reynoldsburg. The diocese's website is long dormant and auto-translate isn't working well on the archived version so it's hard to verify with that source. In the absence of strong evidence that this church is indeed the cathedral or a recognized co-cathedral I don't think we even have grounds for an WP:IAR keep so I am going with an AtD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:28, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect InvisibleUser909 (talk) 10:27, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per its long history, reasonable population and being the headquarter of a recognized diocese. Patre23 (talk) 06:57, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I thank User:Dclemens1971 for their detective work. I don't know the definition of a "cathedral" in this church, although it does seem to be the "bishop's seat" for the diocese. Related: I mentioned this AfD in the AfD for another church in this diocese, where a discussion was started about potentially creating a list for these articles. So, I am a cross-linking here as well: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Ilija Macedonian Orthodox Church, Mississauga Cheers, Suriname0 (talk) 14:08, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: The nominator's most recent comment increases the probability that the site is a cathedral (bishop's seat). Let's give this one more go-around, in hope that additional sourcing appears. There is broad agreement that the article can be kept if at least the basic facts can be reliably established.
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All it says is The bishop's seat is in Sterling Heights -- it doesn't say anything about this church or whether it is a cathedral. For all it says, it may mean that the bishop just lives in Sterling Heights. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:22, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The traditional definition of a cathedral just is the seat of the bishop. Regardless, I think demonstration of significant coverage is needed to close this as keep. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 10:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: A church building from the 70s isn't likely to be architecturally significant at this point in time, and the lack of anything other than routine sourcing seems to confirm that. Things happen at the church is about the extent of sourcing... I can only bring up obituaries. Lack of notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:27, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

—===Grand Junction Colorado Temple===

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1. Subject does not meet WP:GNG as per WP:ORG and WP:NCHURCH. A dash of WP:TOOSOON as it would appear the church is not even open yet.

2. WP:PROMOTIONAL tone.

3. Overt reliance on WP:PRIMARY sources. It would appear that only two secondary sources are here.

Regardless, while points two and three might be addressed, point one will not be.

MWFwiki (talk) 09:02, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support deletion, although these concerns could be fixed with a re-write so maybe move it to a draft. Sushidude21! (talk) 09:22, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Draftify, possibly until September It looks like this temple will open later this year. That said, you may have a case that the articles on these buildings are overly reliant on LDS Church sources. Looking at this one, we have three articles from two sources (KJCT and KKCO share a newsroom — if I had a nickel for every time Gray Television came up at an AfD I'd reviewed in the last week, I'd have two nickels, but whatever). Every remaining reference is direct from the LDS Church or an affiliate like Church News or LDS Living. There is a substantial amount of puffy wording that could be cut down. I note an earlier redirect attempt was reverted by the creator of the current text. I want to see Happyrain2121 contribute as they have been very active in temple articles. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 17:38, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
'Draftify': There is likely to be sufficient independent WP:SIGCOV generated after the temple's completion to result in a WP:GNG pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:11, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We cannot assume whether or not there will be SIGCOV. Draftspace doesn't exist to park a topic until SIGCOV materializes. If it were opening in a week, sure, I'd support this... but outright claiming that will "likely be sufficient independent SIGCOV" is TOOSOON with a dash of WP:CRYSTALBALL. Regardless, SIGCOV arguably already technically exists, but we don't have it in the form of independent RSs. I'm not arguing to salt the subject, but I also didn't submit this article. MWFwiki (talk) 19:43, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's exactly what draftspace is for. Every other LDS temple has an article. I'm not saying this one should have an article in the absence of SIGCOV. I'm just saying that it's almost certain to have it by the time it's completed. No point in deleting and then having to undelete it later when we can just draftify it until the right coverage emerges. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:56, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftspace exists to "improve" an article. It is not "exactly" for parking an article to wait for SIGCOV to materialize. We also cannot assume SIGCOV will exist or not. It doesn't, presently. WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST is not a replacement for SIGCOV. MWFwiki (talk) 20:52, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Improvement" includes looking for and waiting for sources. If in six months there are no sources and the draft is not improved, it will be deleted. If returned to mainspace without improvements, then it can be deleted. I participate a lot at AfD and I've !voted plenty of times for deletion, but it always makes more sense (and is more welcoming to page creators and thus supportive of new editor retention) to give articles on topics likely to be notable in the near future a chance to hang out in draftspace. Regardless, I looked at the history of this page, and it was a redirect before the article was created. Restoring a ~~redirect~~ to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Colorado#Temples will have the same effect as draftification (the expanded article created by @Happyrain2121 remains in the article history, ready to be revived once sufficient sourcing is available) while allowing us to avoid a rather talmudic debate about the purposes of draftspace. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:34, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate everyone for taking the time to give feedback on this article.

With all that was mentioned, it seems like the main concern is whether the article meets the general notability guidelines. To align with that, I’ve added several independent sources that demonstrate the consistent coverage of the Grand Junction Temple—not just quick mentions or announcements, and removed the source that is marked as generally not reliable in Wikipedia. I’ve also made some updates to the article itself based on the comments given earlier, including neutralizing the tone, adjusting the language that might have come across as promotional, and improving the source formatting.

Before we wrap up the discussion, I am hoping that you could take another look at the current version of the article. I put in a good amount of effort to find additional independent sources to directly address the concerns mentioned. For example, I added two sources from Western Slope Now, a local news outlet—one from late 2022 and another from April 2025. The fact that they are published in different years and not church-affiliated, shows that this isn’t just a one-time mention.

Regarding church-published sources like Church News, I’ve used them to support basic and factual information. I find that it’s generally consistent with the guidance given in WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/Sources, and it aligns with how similar articles use them. If there’s anything that still stands out to be insufficient, I’m more than happy to rework it. Happyrain2121 (talk) 19:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the newly added references?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:25, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Latter Day Saints-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:49, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Newly added independent sources show a WP:GNG pass, even before completion. As noted above, LDS temples are almost always notable so it's no surprise that sufficient coverage was found, even pre-completion. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:49, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It seems the central point of the argument for deletion revolved around independent sourcing, and the two articles, focused on the temple, both span across multiple years, which meets WP:SIGCOV. This shows enough notability even before the temple will open. HappyRain2121 met the major points addressed, including the tone of the article being too promotional. An article with a "C" grade only needs to cite more than one reliable source (and the article has at least two from that independent source). It seems to already meet the standard of significant coverage, so the page should stay. Itsetsyoufree32 (talk) 19:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:50, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify until completion, not just an estimated future date. WP:PROMOTION - This never should have been in main space. As is, this reads like a press release, and should not be in main space. — Maile (talk) 13:28, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’ve again made additional edits trying to further address concerns related to WP:PROMOTIONAL tone. Regarding WP:TOOSOON, while the Grand Junction Colorado Temple has not yet been dedicated, it has already received significant, independent, and reliable media coverage—satisfying the threshold established by WP:GNG. For instance, The Grand Junction Daily Sentinel published a detailed article in June 2024 discussing construction progress and community impact. Multiple other news outlets have reported on public interest, architectural design, and the temple’s anticipated role in the region.

This demonstrates that the temple is already notable, even prior to its dedication, due to its documented regional significance. I believe that addresses the concern of WP:TOOSOON. The coverage cited is from independent, reliable sources and includes in-depth reporting, which meets Wikipedia’s general notability standard.

To further illustrate, as with many others, the One Bloor West article covers a building that is still under construction, yet it has its own well-sourced Wikipedia page. This suggests that the inclusion standard is not whether a structure is complete, but whether it has received sustained and significant attention in reliable sources—which the Grand Junction Temple demonstrably has.

If there are lingering concerns that parts of the article still read as promotional, I’m more than willing to make additional revisions. I’ve already rewritten much of the content to address tone and ensure everything is grounded in what has been independently reported. Where Church sources are used, they are properly attributed and are generally accepted according to the Latter-day Saint perennial sources list.

At this stage, the conversation seems to be repeating previous points. If no new policy-based objections are being raised, it may be reasonable to consider whether the discussion has run its course.

Lastly, just so I fully understand: is there a specific Wikipedia policy being violated here? I’ve reviewed WP:N, WP:GNG, WP:TOOSOON, and the Manual of Style, and I haven’t found anything that prohibits coverage of a building—religious or otherwise—before it officially opens. Happyrain2121 (talk) 04:04, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Dclemens1971. This is a substantial structure going up in Colorado that has received non-LDS coverage. The article still needs to be purged of some PROMO content, but we have hit the threshold of clearing GNG. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:41, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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