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check my talk today for two pics of Margot Friedländer --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for improving article quality in May. One of mine was Jadwiga Rappé. - - What do you think about new ALTs for Easter Oratorio? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- i'm not sure what exactly readers would be clicking through to learn after reading that hook, so I haven't weighed in on the nomination itself. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:06, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
- ? I wrote 3-4 ALTs, which one do you mean? In this case, the title is not a longish thing in German (as today's cantata)), but a program ;) - Easter tide will be over on Wednesday, - it's probably too late to make sense anyway. - I guess readers will be intrigued by the similarity to Christmas Oratorio (without reading the hook) or not. - I wrote my summary about the piece in the FAC and look forward to Easter 2026. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:35, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
- I guess I don't find any of them particularly compelling, unfortunately. Hopefully you have better luck with another reviewer :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:58, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- Did you understand what I tried to say: that the hook doesn't even matter because it's an oratorio by Bach, which the title carries: something great and rare (there are only three, and most readers will know only one if at all, and those who don't know that will probably not enjoy the article anyway). I heard an oratorio by Handel yesterday, - not so rare ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- I didn't understand that that's what you were trying to say, no, but I'm not swayed by the argument that I should approve a hook when you're basically conceding that the hook isn't
likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest
. Gerda, I think we've interacted at DYK for long enough that you know I'm probably not going to change my mind – really, I'm trying to do you a favor by not reviewing your proposed hooks. I'm one of the stricter reviewers at DYK, particularly on interestingness, and odds are that whichever reviewer comes along to look at the new hooks will be more lenient than me. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:44, 26 May 2025 (UTC)- English is still hard for me: I didn't try to win you as reviewer, just to explain. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- What do you think about interestingness here? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT10 could work! Needs a bit of work but there's something there. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- Can you teach me how ALT7 could even be thought to be "interesting"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't find it that interesting – lawsuits happen all the time – but I guess the thought is that a reader would look at that hook and think "huh, why would someone bring their own protégé to court?" and then visit the article to read more. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:31, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- Like that, we attract the "huh" readers but someone interested in the cultural contribs of the subject would probably miss it, and is that what we want?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:52, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- in my experience, a good hook writer knows how to balance those tensions and get both audiences. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:30, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- that's very general ;) - I think chances are higher if at least a hint at the subject is provided, - taking some employee to court can easily miss both audiences, no? - here comes the practical test: JSB, after we had already 144 hooks mentioning him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:07, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- in my experience, a good hook writer knows how to balance those tensions and get both audiences. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:30, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- Like that, we attract the "huh" readers but someone interested in the cultural contribs of the subject would probably miss it, and is that what we want?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:52, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't find it that interesting – lawsuits happen all the time – but I guess the thought is that a reader would look at that hook and think "huh, why would someone bring their own protégé to court?" and then visit the article to read more. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:31, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- Can you teach me how ALT7 could even be thought to be "interesting"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT10 could work! Needs a bit of work but there's something there. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- I didn't understand that that's what you were trying to say, no, but I'm not swayed by the argument that I should approve a hook when you're basically conceding that the hook isn't
- Did you understand what I tried to say: that the hook doesn't even matter because it's an oratorio by Bach, which the title carries: something great and rare (there are only three, and most readers will know only one if at all, and those who don't know that will probably not enjoy the article anyway). I heard an oratorio by Handel yesterday, - not so rare ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- I guess I don't find any of them particularly compelling, unfortunately. Hopefully you have better luck with another reviewer :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:58, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- ? I wrote 3-4 ALTs, which one do you mean? In this case, the title is not a longish thing in German (as today's cantata)), but a program ;) - Easter tide will be over on Wednesday, - it's probably too late to make sense anyway. - I guess readers will be intrigued by the similarity to Christmas Oratorio (without reading the hook) or not. - I wrote my summary about the piece in the FAC and look forward to Easter 2026. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:35, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Pilot (Arrested Development)
Hello, how are you? I just wanted to thank you for your comments on the DYK nomination for Pilot (Arrested Development). I still personally think the DVD sources would be okay, but per your suggestion (and how I’ve since realized they do make up a pretty large chunk of the article), I’m currently in the process of trying to either replace the DVD bonus features claims with new sources or remove them entirely. Thank you :) Crystal Drawers (talk) 15:50, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Oop, forgot to ping lol Crystal Drawers (talk) 15:50, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- I appreciate that a lot, Crystal Drawers! Editing someone's talk page always leaves them a notification, so you're good on that front :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 15:53, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- Hey, theleekycauldron, I was able to remove all DVD sources and, if I didn’t just remove them completely, replaced some of them with either secondary sources or added new facts from other secondary sources I found while searching (win win!)
- Its a tiny bit shorter now, but I think the article should be good now Crystal Drawers (talk) 16:07, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Crystal Drawers: That's great work, thanks!! The article looks a lot a better. There are still a couple of things I wanna clear up first (and these are definitely salient if you're planning on going to FA):
- Even under the best of circumstances, WP:BLPSPS doesn't allow self-published sources (which responses given by an interviewee) to make claims about other living people, kind of like the hearsay rule. Unless the Katie O'Connell interview is usable for something directly about her, I think it needs to be replaced basically in full.
- For a secondary analysis source to be reliable, it has to have some kind of editorial review or reputation for fact checking. I don't see how tvshowsondvd.com has that, even if the columns weren't written by total amateurs.
- Again, really sorry for the workload I'm asking for here, because I know you don't interpret policy the same way – but if you're shooting for FA, this'll help make your nomination bulletproof. Best of luck, by the way! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:46, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Thanks for the comments! I won’t be able to have all this done today, but I’ll definitely strive to finish it tomorrow. Just one question: I'm fine with removing the O'Connell interview, there are quite a lot of other sources for most of her claims, but would it still be able to be used for her own opinions? The two I’m talking about are her saying she found casting to be “daunting”, which is personally her opinion so I think it can stay, and her saying it's "squarely in the zeitgeist", which is, again, her opinion. You mentioned that it’s usable for something directly about her, so that’s why I ask. Thank you, again :) Crystal Drawers (talk) 11:46, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Crystal Drawers: absolutely! take your time :) for sure, that tentatively seems like a solid use for the interview, although do try to avoid quotes that might be too promo-y. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 11:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Thanks for the comments! I won’t be able to have all this done today, but I’ll definitely strive to finish it tomorrow. Just one question: I'm fine with removing the O'Connell interview, there are quite a lot of other sources for most of her claims, but would it still be able to be used for her own opinions? The two I’m talking about are her saying she found casting to be “daunting”, which is personally her opinion so I think it can stay, and her saying it's "squarely in the zeitgeist", which is, again, her opinion. You mentioned that it’s usable for something directly about her, so that’s why I ask. Thank you, again :) Crystal Drawers (talk) 11:46, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Crystal Drawers: That's great work, thanks!! The article looks a lot a better. There are still a couple of things I wanna clear up first (and these are definitely salient if you're planning on going to FA):
- I appreciate that a lot, Crystal Drawers! Editing someone's talk page always leaves them a notification, so you're good on that front :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 15:53, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this needs attention?
(I've spread out the names as they are all so similar, it might make it easier if you need to do something with them) All created within the last hour. Knitsey (talk) 16:21, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- I've posted it at AN/I as it's probably unfair for you to deal with them all. Knitsey (talk) 16:36, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- responded at ANI :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:46, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
Internet culture advice
Hello, hope all is well. I've thrown together a draft on @RepJackKimble, a parody twitter account. I'm a bit iffy on both how it's written, and notability, though I think there is just about enough coverage over a decade to push it into the realm of notability. As a resident expert on internet culture, I was wondering I could interest you in taking a look, and letting me know your thoughts (or, if you want, making edits directly to the article). Thanks! All the best, Eddie891 Talk Work 11:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Eddie891: Hey, good to see you! If that's the most you could get out of those sources, I agree that it's probably just on the wrong side of GNG, but there's some works on Google Scholar that seem to have at least passing mentions? Can't access, so I can't tell, but they might be the extra push this draft needs. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – June 2025
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2025).
Administrator changes
Interface administrator changes
Guideline and policy news
- An RfC is open to determine whether the English Wikipedia community should adopt a position on AI development by the WMF and its affiliates.
Technical news
- A new feature called Multiblocks will be deployed on English Wikipedia on the week of June 2. See the relevant announcement on the administrators' noticeboard.
- History merges performed using the mergehistory special page are now logged at both the source and destination, rather than just the source as previously, after this RFC and the resolution of T118132.
Arbitration
- An arbitration case named Indian military history has been opened. Evidence submissions for this case close on 8 June.
Miscellaneous
- Voting for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) election is open until 17 June 2025. Read the voting page on Meta-Wiki and cast your vote here!
- An Articles for Creation backlog drive is happening in June 2025, with over 1,600 drafts awaiting review from the past two months. In addition to AfC participants, all administrators and new page patrollers can help review using the Yet Another AFC Helper Script, which can be enabled in the Gadgets settings. Sign up here to participate!
- The Unreferenced articles backlog drive is happening in June 2025 to reduce the backlog of articles tagged with {{Unreferenced}}. You can help reduce the backlog by adding citations to these articles. Sign up to participate!
notification to bureaucrats
Regarding this edit: just a suggestion, which I appreciate is unsolicited, so feel free to ignore it. Perhaps consider not using a smiley when posting a notification about an editor receiving bad news? I understand that it's directed towards the bureaucrats as appreciation for their efforts. To me it feels like a smiley isn't wholly suitable, but I realize that others may isolate the surrounding context to just "Many thanks". I appreciate any consideration you may have for this matter. isaacl (talk) 22:35, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Isaacl: Funnily enough, someone told me off-wiki that it read passive-aggressively. I meant it totally genuinely as a thanks to the 'crats, so I hoped that it was just a one-off reading! Apparently not – honestly, I'll just go change that. Thanks for telling me! and lest there's any doubt here, that was also meant genuinely. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
- I didn't doubt the sincerity of the thanks (or the intent to limit the context to the thanks), so I didn't read anything passive-aggressive into it. I know how accustomed everyone has become to adding smileys of various sorts to try to convey emotion, so I understand how it can be reflexive. I might just be more old-school in writing style than others when it comes to delivering bad news. Thanks for your time and effort in this matter! isaacl (talk) 22:47, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
Talk:Greta Thunberg
A real relief to see someone else there. I don't have a lot of free time to edit and this has been driving me nuts! So many new editors, mainly SPAs. Generally good faith. Doug Weller talk 08:22, 11 June 2025 (UTC)