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Adding Field to Template to Include Link to "Pro Football Archives" Page

Has there been any discussion about adding a field to this template for a link to a player's ProFootballArchives.com page? A single page lists a player's career stats even if the player played in multiple leagues. Please take a look at this list of leagues for which ProFootballArchives.com has statistics.

To prove the value of having a player's stats for multiple leagues on one page, look at the one for Doug Flutie. Wcreed88 (talk) 13:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Does it meet WP:USEBYOTHERS for reliability? —Bagumba (talk) 06:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I admittedly don't know the answer to that question one way or the other. Wcreed88 (talk) 12:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Not a fan of the idea of including it by default. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 448#profootballarchives.com discusses the reliability of the site, and it's managed by a single person, who albiet would be considered a subject matter expert. It seems to pass USEBYOTHERS, but it's mostly used by other people in a certain community who trust one another based on their past experiences (Pro Football Researchers Association).

My experience is it's mostly used when other sites lack information, somewhat leading me to see it as a last ditch effort source wise. Not saying it's been incorrect when I've found info on it, but I'm not a fan of mass including it when the bus factor on it is a single person. They also took the site down for a stretch of time because they felt it was a lot of work to maintain, stating that it may not be updated as much because of this. Not sure how often it's updated now, but it's a major concern of mine that it's only managed by Maher. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:14, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

When I did a quick search, the only place I recall it referenced by an RS was in Pro Football Researchers Association discussion boards. I think USEBYOTHERS expects wider usage. —Bagumba (talk) 13:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps, in my head, I'm wrongly equating all of Maher's work as being associated with the site. Never the less, I do consider the bus factor to be concerning and I don't think there's enough of a widespread usage to seriously consider implementing it for all of our NFL bios. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Actually, if I search books, it's cited quite often.[1]—Bagumba (talk) 14:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion, it's actually a little more accurate than PFR. We don't really have room for more links in the infobox though. If this ever did get added, it should only be used in special cases. It should not be mass added to every infobox. For example, Flutie's infobox might benefit from Pro Football Archives since the CFL.ca link doesn't work anymore. (CFL.ca has a poor history of maintaining profiles for old players, NFL.com is even bad nowadays about that, that's partly why NFL.com was removed from the infobox) ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

What makes you see it as more accurate than PFR @WikiOriginal-9? Any issues I've had with PFR I've reached out about and it's been quickly corrected. I'm still quite concerned with the fact that Pro Football Archives is managed by a single person who has, at times, expressed that it's been a bit too much work for them to maintain and has taken it down as a result. Technically we would have room, since we removed the NFL links. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:00, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• I'd support having the option to link it – its pretty reliable from my experience and useful in that it not only has NFL stats, but also CFL stats (which CFL.ca does not always have) and it is the only website to list minor league stats. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:07, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

  What about it simply replacing CFL.ca then? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:15, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

  CFL.ca has some benefits, though; for example, for most players it gives updates after games, while PFA takes until after each season to update. Though a benefit with PFA is it makes sure to get every CFL player all time, while CFL.ca seems to mainly have current ones. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah that's true. I don't oppose its inclusion but it shouldn't replace Pro Football Reference either in my opinion. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:07, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

  Just so we're clear, I do oppose the inclusion of PFA based on the infrequent updates, the fact it's managed by a simgle person, and based on the expectation that an external link would include up to date stats. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

If empty with no input parameters

Dissident93, can you explain what the following is supposed to do?

{{#switch:{{{status|}}}
   |--|-|–|=
   |#default = {{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{current_team|{{{currentteam|}}}}}}}}|free agent||{{#ifeq:{{{current_team|{{{currentteam|}}}}}}|{{If empty}}||{{{status}}}}}}}
   }}

it looks like you are using {{if empty}} with no input parameters? I believe the intent here is to

• return blank if |status=– or |status=- or blank
• otherwise, return blank if |current_team= is "free agent"
• otherwise, return blank if |current_team= is blank?
• otherwise, return the value in |status=

if so, you can just replace the {{#ifeq:{{{current_team|{{{currentteam|}}}}}}|{{If empty}}||{{{status}}}}} with {{#if:{{{current_team|{{{currentteam|}}}}}}|{{{status}}}| }} and get rid of the {{if empty}} with no input parameters. Frietjes (talk) 14:16, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The intent was to suppress |status= when |current_team= is empty (or free agent, which is discouraged), since it's common for it to be forgotten to be adjusted when a player is no longer playing with a team. I think I was just testing it and saw that it worked and didn't think to optimize it after. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Dissident93, please discuss further proposed changes here after implementing them in the sandbox and demonstrating them on the testcases page. I have fixed two significant syntax errors in your template and module editing today. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:56, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

CFL status broken

Dissident93, just to add onto this, your 14 October 2024 edits broke |cflstatus=. |status= and |cflstatus= now both return the identical value of {{status}}. This should be fixed so |cflstatus= returns is own {{cflstatus}} value again as the |cflstatus= is used to denote a player's CFL nationality designation (National, American, or Global) and not their roster status (active, practice squad, injured, etc.). GreenRunner0 17:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

It should be fixed now. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Edit request to complete TfD nomination

Template:Infobox NFL biography has been listed at Templates for discussion (nomination), but it was protected, so it could not be tagged. Please add:

{{subst:tfm|help=off|type=sidebar|1=Infobox Canadian Football League biography}}

to the top of the page to complete the nomination. Thank you. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

"Staff assistant"

What's that cover? Assistant coaches are staff assistants too. Is pastadmin supposed to be for general managers? Hmm. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:35, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

C. O. Brocato is featured and has the scouting roles under administrator. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:42, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Scouting (and other roles like internships) aren't really administrative either. And what does that parameter cover that executive doesn't or can't? Merging them and listing "as a front office assistant / executive" should cover everything. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:43, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what admin is for. I looked at staff assistant on Chris Ballard (American football) and it looks okay, so nevermind. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:57, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

A lot of articles list scout under administrator, such as Bob Quinn or Jason Licht as a couple examples. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:08, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 @Dissident93: I just came across Mike Young (American football). I don't think most of his "staff" positions meet MOS:ROLEBIO and should even be in the lead, let alone infobox. They currently aren't there, but this "staff" change might encourage someone to add it. —Bagumba (talk) 10:33, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

I doubt anyone will add them there. Looks like he was mainly a marketer, not actually involved in football operations (like a scout or director of player personnel). And there aren't any year spans in the body, so someone would have to do research to figure it out (and most people aren't going to do that) ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:10, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

I know what you mean about rolebio though. Albany Empire co-owner does look a tad bit silly on Antonio Brown's article. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:13, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Centering

Not disputing this but NBA ones aren't like that (Phil Jackson). The "as player" and "as coach" in the highlights at Jim Harbaugh aren't centered either. I don't really care though, just thought I would point that out. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)