Template:Did you know nominations/Holocephali
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 02:24, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
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Holocephali
The prehistoric holocephalan Harpagofututor
- ... that male fish in the subclass Holocephali often have special organs on top of their head that are used to grab females while mating?
- Source: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1365-2451.1997.00013.x "Sharks sometimes resort to biting in order to gain a firmer grip while mating, but chimaeroids apparently achieve the same end by means of a variety of accessory clasping organs. These can be located in a number of positions including the snout (Fig. 4a,c). A range of Palaeozoic chondrichthyans carry large and bizarre outgrowths on their heads, which we interpret (sometimes from direct evidence; Fig. 2b,c) as accessory claspers" (Ahlberg & Coates, 1997)
- ALT1: ... that the subclass Holocephali, whose only living members are the chimaeras, may also include the extinct, shark-like Symmoriiformes? Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312085407_A_symmoriiform_chondrichthyan_braincase_and_the_origin_of_chimaeroid_fishes
- ALT2: ... that holocephalans were much more diverse during the Paleozoic and Mesozoic eras, but the only living members of the group are the rare, deep-sea chimaeras? Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/382905694_The_Paleozoic_assembly_of_the_holocephalian_body_plan_far_preceded_post-Cretaceous_radiations_into_the_ocean_depths
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- Comment: Article significantly expanded (~15x bytes). Let me know if any of these hooks are too technical or flat-out uninteresting.
5x expanded by Gasmasque (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Gasmasque (talk) 18:38, 15 May 2025 (UTC).
Excellent job on expanding the article. Image appears to be freely licensed. No copyvio detected, no QPQs needed. A few issues: WP:DYKHOOK rules state that each hook must be claimed in the article. In ALT0, you state "often have special organs" when the article just stated that modern chimaeras have the claspers - no "often" about it. Also, ALT1 seems to be more about Symmoriiformes than Holocephali. ALT2 should also probably have "were much more" rather than "was". I do like ALT0, especially in conjunction with the image. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 00:38, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- I've swapped out the source used for ALT0, the use of the non-comprehensive modern animal paper was a mistake on my part that resulted from rewriting that hook's contents and forgetting to update the source. I've also provided a supporting quote from the new text since this one is not freely available online, although the author goes into more detail about the features in the article itself. I've reworded ALT1 to put more emphasis on Holocephali, and I've made the requested change to ALT2. As for being stated in the article, Alt0 is stated in the "Reproduction" subsection, ALT1 is stated in the second paragraph of the lead and in the "Modern classifications" subsection, and Alt2 is stated in the first paragraph of the lead and in the "Decline" section (although less concise in the latter). Are the provided hooks close enough to the statements in the article's text? Let me know if there are any further issues or adjustments you would want made. Gasmasque (talk) 02:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Darth Stabro: Does the above satisfy your concerns, and is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 12:48, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
good to go. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 16:24, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Darth Stabro: Does the above satisfy your concerns, and is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 12:48, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- I've swapped out the source used for ALT0, the use of the non-comprehensive modern animal paper was a mistake on my part that resulted from rewriting that hook's contents and forgetting to update the source. I've also provided a supporting quote from the new text since this one is not freely available online, although the author goes into more detail about the features in the article itself. I've reworded ALT1 to put more emphasis on Holocephali, and I've made the requested change to ALT2. As for being stated in the article, Alt0 is stated in the "Reproduction" subsection, ALT1 is stated in the second paragraph of the lead and in the "Modern classifications" subsection, and Alt2 is stated in the first paragraph of the lead and in the "Decline" section (although less concise in the latter). Are the provided hooks close enough to the statements in the article's text? Let me know if there are any further issues or adjustments you would want made. Gasmasque (talk) 02:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
