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I Wonder if VE and VJ Day are the same — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.9.85.227 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 10 March 2004

No, they are not the same, see the articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tothebarricades.tk (talk • contribs) 19:19, 3 May 2005
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Thank you USA and others for our freedom against the Germans. Thank you very much wiki (talk) 14:07, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but why single out the efforts of the US? For might not that simply read: 'Thank you ALL nations for our freedom from Nazism'?

To be moved to wikisource

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Do we need the Declaration of Military Surrender? Relevant, but would be better linked to as an external source of in wikisource.--Tothebarricades.tk 19:19, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

I agree it is exactly what wikisource is for and should be moved. Though maybe an important point or two could be incorporated into the article. say1988 — Preceding undated comment added 01:26, 8 May 2005‎

Agreed, move it to wikisource - but don't just delete it! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:06, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

(Yet another copy of the same text redacted. For the full text, see this page's history.)

I've restored the ACT OF MILITARY SURRENDER. It will be removed again when I find the link to the Wikisource. Feel free to beat me to it. -- PFHLai 14:48, 2005 May 8 (UTC)

  • Wikipedia:Don't include copies of primary sources. You don't need to "find a link" to Wikisource. Just go directly to Wikisource. You don't need to go any further than the Wikipedia Main Page to know where it is. And you don't need to go very far in Wikisource to find that this document has been there since 2003. I've undone the mess that was made of this article by the people who didn't check Wikisource first. Uncle G 15:15, 2005 May 8 (UTC)
    • Nicely done, Uncle G. I have never made links to any items in Wikisource, and now I know how to do it. Thank you. -- PFHLai 18:48, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

Sentence removed from article

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I've just removed this:

"May 8 is somewhat of a holiday for antifascists in Europe, especially Germany."

Aside from its odd coding, it's not clear what it means (what's "somewhat of a holiday"?), nor whether it's true (or, indeed, what being true would consist in). Could anyone help? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:42, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How many people are in the picture?

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In the crowd below Churchill? Sagittarian Milky Way 06:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Several. Definately more than 3.
Petecollier 18:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article says that more than a million people took to the streets in celebration in London. The number visible through Churchill's window is immaterial. Lorangriel 19:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The text says that "in the United Kingdom more than 100 million people celebrated in the streets." Given that the population of the U.K. is somewhat below 100 million, where did all these people come from ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.112.143.12 (talk) 10:14, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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BsL (talk) 14:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup

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I think that this article requires cleanup because I noticed several grammatical errors. I fixed one but I'm leaving right now, I'll try and fix more when I'm back but in the meantime it would be nice if someone else could do it. Also I don't know how to mark it as cleanup needed or else I would. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.111.240.160 (talk) 23:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree with resent text removal

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I see no reason for removal of "Celebration" and "Soviet Victory day" sections: the article's name is "Victory in Europe day", not "Victory in Europe (May 8) day". Reverted.--Paul Siebert (talk) 17:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Odd linkage

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Why does this article have a link to western betrayal? W. B. Wilson (talk) 16:25, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will remove in a week or so unless another editor can demonstrate the relationship of the two articles. W. B. Wilson (talk) 04:30, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Link removed as the western betrayal article itself was deleted on 18 March. W. B. Wilson (talk) 08:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

May 8th as a public holiday

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May 8th is not a public holiday in Norway. Maybe it has been on some specific occasions, but the information here is not generally correct. Should I remove it? I think that a similar comment can be made about some of the other countries listed too. In fact, this section is quite ambiguous and muddled. Quantum.wells (talk) 13:21, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Europe

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This article is about Victory in Europe, for Europe, why is there a paragraph about the celebrations in The United States? Shouldn't this have it's own header such as 'Celebrations outside of Europe'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.88.154 (talk) 04:59, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was victory in the war that was waged in Europe, but that war was being waged by the Allies, including the US. Ie the US were at war in Europe, so they celebrated when the war ended and their troops could come home. (Eg, similar to the US's war(s) in Iraq.) Mitch Ames (talk) 03:52, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]


The requested cite for Princess Elizabeth's movements on VE day can be found in the epic "World at War" series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_at_War; it may be the Remember episode. She talked about wandering the streets anonymously, with her sister & as I recall, one "houseman"...96.231.221.136 (talk) 21:19, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Combine 8 and 9 May as celebrations of V-E Day

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Any treatment of the Allied victory in Europe must include the Soviet Union, an ally in the war against Nazi Germany. Any attempt at separate treatment of western and Soviet aspects and celebrations does injustice to the at least 12 million uniformed war dead on the Soviet side. For those interested in history it must be remembered that the total U.S. uniformed war dead in WW-II (all theaters) was about 400,000. Put into comparison with at least 12 million Soviet uniformed war dead and at least a comparable figure for civilians (numbers for both Soviet military and civilian war dead also have been calculated as much higher) this was a tragic but comparatively small price.Федоров (talk) 16:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

VE Day - thats what was celebrated in Britain I think - 'Victory Day' doesn't mean anything I don't think to the British , there was VE Day and then VJ Day. Its not a slight on anyones sacrifices, its a matter of historical record, how the event was referred to in certain countries. VE Day should be kept separate from other articles not about VE Day. Thats how I see it anyhow, Sayerslle (talk) 02:41, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The role of the USSR in the war against Nazi Germany is not that simple. One must remember that for the two first years of WW2, the USSR and Nazi-Germany were allies and co-aggressors. Hence, in the USSR one only learns about the 'great Patriotic war' from 1941-1945, while the coordinated Nazi/Soviet aggression in the first two years of WW2 is conveniently forgotten. Except of course in Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Romania, all of them uncompensated victims of Soviet aggression. Only in 1991, after fifty years of Soviet repression did the Baltic countries regain their independence, while even today Poland finds it borders forcibly shifted towards the West. So from a central-European point of view, it makes perfect sense to distinguish between the VE-day on May 8th, and the terrible, terrible consequences for half of Europe due to the Soviet version of the victory on May 9th (per the Moscow timezone). Lklundin (talk) 11:05, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
So if it makes perfect sense to distinguish between the two what is your rationale for proposing a merge? Do we really need to have that banner spoiling the look of the article just when lots of people will be finding it with a google search who know nothing about, and have little interest in, wikipedia's more arcane processes? Richerman (talk) 10:21, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Day of the Week

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Which day of the week was 7 May 1945? --78.146.57.85 (talk) 21:31, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hatnote for Israel article

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Since Victory in Europe Day (Israel) has its own article, please replace the hatnote for "the former Soviet Union and Israel" with:

For the celebration in the former Soviet Union, see Victory Day (9 May). For the celebration in Israel, see Victory in Europe Day (Israel).

Please remove the Israel entry from the "See also" section as it is already linked in the article proper. 62.165.200.11 (talk) 06:43, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you're right. That's done now. Well spotted and thanks very much. No Great Shaker (talk) 10:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

United Kingdom, not Great Britain

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In three places, the words "Great Britain" should be replaced with "the United Kingdom" (or "the UK"). VE Day was, and is, celebrated in Northern Ireland as well as Great Britain. 188.143.76.193 (talk) 17:16, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. Changed as requested. Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 20:55, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Time zone discrepancy between Churchill's speech and German Instrument of Surrender

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Why did Winston Churchill announce that "hostilities will end officially at one minute after midnight tonight Tuesday 8th May", when the German Instrument of Surrender, which had already been signed in Reims the previous day, stated "2301 hours Central European time on 8 May"? 23:01 CET was 23:01 BDST (British Double Summer Time from 1941 to 1945), 22:01 BST or 21:01 GMT. In any case, one minute past midnight would have been the next day, 9th May. There must be a good explanation, but given how often Churchill's speech is played as a piece of history, it ought to be explained on this page to avoid confusion. NFH (talk) 21:01, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. It can't be related to the later ratification in Berlin, as that wasn't signed until 00:16 CET on 9th May:<ref></https://berlinexperiences.com/featured-experiences/visit-the-site-of-the-german-surrender-in-1945-karlshorst/> Maybe Churchill or his advisors simply made a mistake. Schgreen (talk) 09:29, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2020

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For Dutch Liberation Day it is stated that it is an Quinquennial national public but since 1990 it celebrated every year as a national public.

Source unfortunately in Dutch https://www.4en5mei.nl/herdenken-en-vieren/veelgestelde-vragen/achtergrondinformatie-vieren/geschiedenis

Law Book Article 3 https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0002448/2010-10-10 5th of May recognized as a public holiday

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Chance Quinquennial national public to National Public

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Remove , a public holiday every 5 years. AHofstad (talk) 14:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Yes, it looks like Liberation Day (Netherlands) has it set as an annual celebration. The only source that states it as the former quinquennial holiday doesn't look too reliable. I have updated the article. Don Spencertalk-to-me⛅ 14:42, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Surrender of Nazi Germany" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Information icon A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Surrender of Nazi Germany. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 11#Surrender of Nazi Germany until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  20:23, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Location: Earth"?

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When I searched about VE Day, it shows me that "Location: Earth" in a small box on the google page (not Wikipedia). But inside the wikipedia page, there's no reference of "Location: Earth". Is this line added by Google itself on the search page, or was it picked up from somewhere within the Wikipedia page, like how the Lead paragraph was put in the box?--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 12:56, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Israel holiday

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Israel has two holidays Day of Liberation and Rescue which is by the Hebrew Calendar and Day of Victory over Nazi Germany both should be mentioned Multiverse Union (talk) 19:39, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

VE Day

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I was born on May 7th, which was told it was VEDay & have been told that all my life, the day the war ended, thus named Victoria Elizabeth, why is it May 8, should be still May 7 2001:1970:5CA4:B600:9D6C:E83A:839C:8BF1 (talk) 23:05, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read the article? The dates are explained in the 'History' section. -- DeFacto (talk). 18:44, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Odžak

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Hello all

I moved the reference to this battle and other fighting after VE Day from the lead of this article because the information isn't reliably sourced, isn't otherwise mentioned in this article and better belongs in the article End of World War II in Europe. I have moved it there.

Happy to discuss Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 11:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nationalistic Celebrations

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Given that Victory in Europe Day is to mark the efforts of ALL nations that battled against the Nazi mindset, might not the article highlight the way that the UK Govt only seems interested in waving the Union Flag? For is not any misuse of the National Flag, for narrow nationalistic reasons, a far right tactic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c6:27a1:5401:2450:4dd2:2973:99b9 (talk) 18:16, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please cite the reliable sources that publish that view. -- DeFacto (talk). 18:37, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just look at any of our news channels in the UK and you mostly see the Union Flag waving. For while standing up to Hitler was one of our finest hours, does not all this Flag-waving down play the efforts of other nations that helped to win the war? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c6:27a1:5401:50a1:cddc:35a0:219a (talk) 19:11, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No it doesn't. I put out the flag in the US. I don't put out all other nations flags, just the US flag. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:31, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To get that view into the article though, you need to provide reliable sources that support it. Otherwise it is simply your personal view, and Wikipedia isn't interested in that. -- DeFacto (talk). 19:50, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Committing Suicide on Victory Days

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I know this is completely unrelated to the page, and I'm very sorry for what I did recently. I appreciate the re-editing and I wanna thank you for doing so. For many years now, I was wondering if there should be a complete list of normal people (non-Nazis) around the world who committed suicide because of VE Day, as well as the celebrations that took place afterward. It also can be related to people losing their jobs and their strength alongside their businesses that became once powerful during the war, and despondencies over their wives and families.

  • For example on VE Day, Mark A. Orgill, is a 39-year-old man from Manhattan Beach, California who took his own life because he unexpectedly became jobless following the war being over according to the Associated Press. During the war, he had a successful business at Standard Oil but was laid off after arriving at the oil base on May 7, 1945. He immediately attempted to accept his role in three other oil companies but ejected him because of Victory Day. After arriving back at his house, he pulled out his .320 Revolver and shot himself in the head. Deputies and his wife immediately found his body lying at his backyard right next to his chicken coop.
  • Later in 1945 comes VJ Day, and there are similar reports of suicides that happened both on and during that week, just like VE Day. For example, Albert Stadler, is a Detroit, Michigan resident who took his own life on August 15, 1945 by taking off his clothes and drowned into Lake St. Clair while the world is celebrating the end of the war. Deputies found his clothes on the deck of his Bob-Lo boat and a lengthy suicide note written by Standler, which explains his despondency over his wife, who was at downtown Detroit celebrating at the time of his death.

2600:1702:5225:C010:3096:BC0B:C37E:D362 (talk) 14:08, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's no need to apologise, everyone is free to make contributions to Wikipedia and join in the discussion on improving articles. The problem with the article you suggest is that it appears to involve original research. You can read the policy here: Wikipedia:No original research. The general rule is that a topic must be notable in that there are reliable secondary sources which cover it. In other words, we are looking for books or academic articles which discuss the phenomenon of people committing suicide because of VE day. It's not enough to collect articles about individuals who committed suicide on VE day or because they subsequently lost their jobs when peace brought layoffs; it has to be studies which identify this as a topic worth specific study. Of course, you a free to write such a study yourself and see if you can get it published as a book or in a magazine. If it is published, it then becomes a secondary source which can be the basis for a contribution to Wikipedia. But publication external to Wikipedia has to come first. I hope this helps. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 05:52, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"he unexpectedly became jobless following the war" Are you kidding? That was not unexpected at all. See List of recessions in the United States. We still lack an article on the Recession of 1945, but it was the first recession since 1938 and the peak unemployment reached 5.2%. There was a decline of 12.7% in the American GDP. Per the sourced text in the list: "The decline in government spending at the end of World War II led to an enormous drop in gross domestic product, making this technically a recession. This was the result of demobilization and the shift from a wartime to peacetime economy." Dimadick (talk) 08:43, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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