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    Edit Request: Autism and Gender Sources

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    →Healthcare, Mental Health states: "Autism is more common in people who are gender dysphoric. It is not known whether there is a biological basis. This may be due to the fact that people on the autism spectrum are less concerned with societal disapproval, and feel less fear or inhibition about coming out as trans than others." Only one source is linked, and there is a better source needed request, here is my contribution for additional sources. (The secondary source from the Transmitter cites both of the first two sources).

    I also think the paragraph should also be rewritten. "Autism is more common in people who are..." seems like odd phrasing (like it implies one is caused by the other?). I suggest something along the lines of:

    "An increasing number of studies show a correlation between individuals who experience gender dysphoria and those on the autism spectrum. Many theories on why this happens have been suggested, though none are officially supported due to limited research. Currently, there is no evidence to support a biological cause for the correlation. One suggested explanation is that many autistic individuals are resistant to social conditioning, and thus have less resistance to the possibility of being and/or coming out as trans. Additionally, there is some discussion about weakened sex differences in autistic individuals playing a role in the correlation."

    Sources:

    Walsh, R. J., Krabbendam, L., Dewinter, J., & Begeer, S. (2018). Brief Report: Gender Identity Differences in Autistic Adults: Associations with Perceptual and Socio-cognitive Profiles. Journal of autism and developmental disorders, 48(12), 4070–4078. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10803-018-3702-y PubMED: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30062396/

    Warrier, V., Greenberg, D. M., Weir, E., Buckingham, C., Smith, P., Lai, M. C., Allison, C., & Baron-Cohen, S. (2020). Elevated rates of autism, other neurodevelopmental and psychiatric diagnoses, and autistic traits in transgender and gender-diverse individuals. Nature communications, 11(1), 3959. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-020-17794-1 PubMED: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32770077/

    Here is a secondary source: https://www.thetransmitter.org/spectrum/largest-study-to-date-confirms-overlap-between-autism-and-gender-diversity/

    Additionally: https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbeseq/2025/04/04/a-lifeline-for-native-and-rural-communities-is-under-threat-heres-why-that-matters/

    Wattel, L. L., Walsh, R. J., & Krabbendam, L. (2024). Theories on the Link Between Autism Spectrum Conditions and Trans Gender Modality: a Systematic Review. Review journal of autism and developmental disorders, 11(2), 275–295. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40489-022-00338-2 PubMED: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38803560/

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    Note(s): I do not know much about autistic individuals and "weakened sex differences" but it was briefly included in my final linked source, so I also included it for consistency. Also, I'm newer to Wikipedia, so not 100% sure how to do the template/formatting for an edit request. Input on the actual suggestion and on how to improve edit requests would be appreciated. EM 1NH3 (talk) 09:35, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Quick response, the Forbes link isn't a reliable source, the author is a "brand contributor Doug Weller talk 06:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    What happened to the portal?

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    I just noticed that Portal:Transgender no longer exists. Why was it deleted? Zoozoor (talk) 22:17, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    See the discussion here: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Transgender (2nd nomination) Funcrunch (talk) 22:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you Zoozoor (talk) 22:24, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Source 144 Are trans people more likely to be autistic or are autistics more likely to transition?

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    This question seems likley to have been resolved.

    'It is now widely understood in both the medical and mental health professions that transgender identity is a normal variant along a spectrum of gender identities, rather than a pathologic condition, and variants in PCDH may explain some portion of that variation.(Fowlkes, 2019; Winter et al., 2016) PCDH genes appear to play a role in brain development overall, and have also been implicated in certain neuropsychiatric conditions. It is possible that different variants or combinations of variants could lead to a wide range of phenotypes, including both normal variations, such as transgender identity, as well as neuropsychiatric disorders, such as anxiety and depression. Variants in multiple members of the PCDH family have been implicated in bipolar disorder, developmental delay, dyslexia, and major depressive disorder. Additionally, variants in PCDH8, PCDH9, PCDH10, PCDH15, PCDHΒ4, PCDHΒ15, PCDHγA1, as well as several PCDHα isoforms have been suggested as candidates contributing to autism.(Peek et al., 2017) Transgender individuals are at increased risk for certain psychiatric conditions.(Dhejne et al., 2016; Haas et al., 2014; Warrier et al., 2020) Many of these, such as anxiety and depression, are undoubtedly exacerbated by exposure to societal discrimination. However, it is now accepted that psychiatric conditions result from a combination of both environmental and genetic factors. As such, it is notable that neuropsychiatric conditions that have been linked to PCDH family variants are also more common in transgender individuals.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4409604

    The genes that make a person transgender are also more likely to make them autistic. 92.27.170.189 (talk) 03:17, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm not sure about this one, I'm slightly less inclined to call it reliable as it states that it hasn't been peer reviewed yet but I'm not so sure. If someone could give a third opinion that'd be great. Akechi The Agent Of Chaos (talk) 01:39, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    "Trans"... sexual, ...gender, ...itioning, ...continental, etc

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    -gender.

    "Trans", linguistically, is a prefix, not a complete word. It is used in all of the above ways and others.

    When used by itself its meaning is indeterminate. Especially, the first three examples in the subject are all used informally depending on the context to clarify the meaning. To assume only one meaning is both unclear and discriminatory against those associated with the other meanings. An encyclopaedia must favour clarity to be a good reference source, otherwise it reads more like a populist opinion piece. 86.135.86.130 (talk) 02:55, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello,
    What would you suggest be changed? The article is quite well sourced, and the sources support the use of "trans." While language can change or stay the same, Wikipedia's job is not to adjudicate those disputes but rather stay abreast of the sources. JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 04:45, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    trans is a perfectly cromulent adjective, widely used across many English language sources to mean transgender. Check some dictionaries. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 11:31, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Cromulent is a new word for me, @RoxySaunders, lol. JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 13:22, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    See Lisa the Iconoclast#Legacy :) –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (talk • stalk) 13:43, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Did you notice that the Wictionaru definition of "trans" at your link states:
    'trans
    • Transgender or transsexual
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    '? 86.135.86.130 (talk) 22:16, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    There's not really a conflict in context. If I say "tranny" while looking under the hood of a car, it's clear that I mean "transmission". If somebody gets into the article and then is suddenly confused about whether it's talking about the transcontinental railroad, then they are probably less aware than our target audience. GMGtalk 13:09, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Exactly. Context.
    In the context of sex- and gender-related discussions, "trans", as an abbreviation, clearly refers to sex, um... gender, um... sex, um...
    As Wikipedia says:
    Trans, a sociological term which may refer to:
    • Transgender, people who identify themselves with a gender that differs from their sex societally designated/assigned at birth
    • Transsexual, people who seek to transition from their birth-assigned sex to another via therapy and/or surgery
    • Trans*, a broader term intending to cover all words beginning with "trans"
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans 86.135.86.130 (talk) 21:57, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Interesting, amusing, but quite common and not surprising to find some Wikipedia editors arguing themselves into circles whilst trying to justify avoiding linguistic precision and clarity. You really wouldn't get such happening in an actual encyclopaedia with actual editorial oversight. 86.135.86.130 (talk) 22:00, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    If you sincerely want to improve this article, make a specific request for a change to the text, and stop attacking other editors. Funcrunch (talk) 22:30, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Boy oh boy. If you think this is arguing in circles, you have not found peak Wikipedia yet. Find an argument over something like hyphens and you'll really see the gloves come off. GMGtalk 23:08, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it's unambiguously clear in this article (Transgender) that trans is short for transgender. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:33, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    "Trans" is widely used to mean transgender in modern English, both formally and informally. We use it in accordance with reliable sources, and I see no compelling reason to deviate from their usage. With regard to your reference to actual encyclopaedia with actual editorial oversight, many actual encyclopedia do indeed use the terminology to which you object, see e.g. [1]. Srey Srostalk 22:40, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Edit Request: Genetics

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    I believe this page would greatly benefit from including more scientific information regarding the genetic basis of being trans. There is a great section on Wikipedia already in the Causes of gender incongruence page. However, this page is extremely obscure and hard to track down. As a result, it is seen by far fewer people in comparison to the main transgender page. I found a more recent study on the topic than the section in the Causes of gender incongruence page, and I have written a proposed section below. SpiritfangTheWolf (talk) 15:27, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    213 candidate genes were identified in a twin study in 2019.[1] A twin study is a study comparing the genetic makeup between identical and nonidentical twins in order to determine the possibility of a genetic basis for a trait. In addition, a candidate gene is a gene that is found to have possible links to any particular trait. Candidate genes identified in the study include PATL1, RASA4B, and DSCAM. In the X chromosome, on AMAB Trans Women, there were six genes of interest located.[2]

    There are many difficulties associated with genetics studies into transgender people. One of the most prevalent is a small sample size due to the small population size of the transgender community.[3]

    References

    1. ^ https://www.psychiatria-danubina.com/UserDocsImages/pdf/dnb_vol35_noSuppl%202/dnb_vol35_noSuppl%202_179.pdf. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help); Missing or empty |title= (help)
    2. ^ https://www.psychiatria-danubina.com/UserDocsImages/pdf/dnb_vol35_noSuppl%202/dnb_vol35_noSuppl%202_179.pdf. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help); Missing or empty |title= (help)
    3. ^ https://escholarship.org/content/qt4xs990ws/qt4xs990ws.pdf. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help); Missing or empty |title= (help)
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