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Should the Kra-Dai "teeth" chart be removed?

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Charts like these are intended to demonstrate and visualize the relatedness of languages, but this chart has numerous flaws that detract from its ability to do so:

1. The romanization is not internally consistent

PYWAN = *pjwan¹ (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Proto-Kam-Sui_reconstructions)

FJƏN = *fʰjən (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Proto-Hlai_reconstructions)

LPAN = *l-pənᴬ (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Kra/l-p%C9%99n%E1%B4%AC)

2. The romanization obscures relevant phonetic information, making some of the sound changes unbelievable when they would otherwise make phonetically-motivated sense

3. Not all shown words are cognates when the image implies they would all be descended from *lipan. Numerous words are descended from Proto-Tai *χeːwꟲ "fang" rather than Proto-Tai *wanᴬ "tooth"

4. I can only find contradictory evidence for the existence of a few listed words:

Jiamao CHAN =? saŋ¹ (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Jiamao_vocabulary_lists)

Ong Be WAN =? tɔn¹, tɐn¹ʼ, tən¹, tin¹ (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Proto-Be_reconstructions)

Tai Lue SEU =? xew³ (or Lu SIAO =? xew³ Maybe the same language listed twice?) (https://www.webonary.org/dailu?s=tooth&search=Search&key=en&semantic_domain=&search_options_set=1&match_whole_words=1&lang=en)

Sui HIW =? vjən1 (https://web.archive.org/web/20180612162325/https://abvd.shh.mpg.de/austronesian/language.php?id=736) 似た牌愛魔 (talk) 14:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@似た牌愛魔: Thanks for looking into that. I would prefer the image to be fixed, but if that is not feasible, it should be deleted. --Glennznl (talk) 15:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image for "Thai Langauge"

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I am changing the image for "ภาษาไทย" (Thai language) in infobox to use the recently created artwork File:Thai_Language_(in_Thai).svg instead.

The supporting reasons are (1) the original work is in Tahoma, and the font does not fully capture the appropriate structure of Thai alphabets (as it is designed with the aim to disambiguate texts displayed on low-res displays), (2) the original artwork is a bitmap file.

--Sirakorn (talk) 10:30, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Released glottal stop?

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"All plosive sounds, except the glottal stop, are unreleased" does this mean that the final glottal stop is released in Thai? I think that is notable information that should be elaborated on further. Stockhausenfan (talk) 11:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That was recently added without explanation by an IP. Reverted. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Th-TH" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The redirect Th-TH has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 27 § Th-TH until a consensus is reached. Cremastra (u — c) 01:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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Some things just grow during incremental edits and sometimes get out of hand. The "External links" section, one of the optional appendices, has grown to 16 entries including three subsections. Three seems to be an acceptable number, and of course, everyone has their favorite to try to add for a fourth. Consensus needs to determine this.
However, none is needed for article promotion.
Some links may be included in WP:ELNO, WP:ELCITE, WP:ELDEAD, WP:NOTREPOSITORY, or WP:NOTGUIDE. Others, listed below:
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  • LINKFARM states: There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to the external links section of an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. On articles about topics with many fansites, for example, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate.
  • ELMIN: Minimize the number of links. --
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External links This page in a nutshell: External links in an article can be helpful to the reader, but they should be kept minimal, meritable, and directly relevant to the article. With rare exceptions, external links should not be used in the body of an article.
Second paragraph, acceptable external links include those that contain further research that is accurate and on-topic, information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail, or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy.
    • Please also note:
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