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Suggestion for one of the missing citations
[edit]I would suggest using the following citation for the aftermath section of this article: Yaqub, Salim. Containing Arab Nationalism: The Eisenhower Doctrine and the Middle East. Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 2004.
ATTN: Someone with editing priveledges.
User:DrSangChi (talk) 12:14PM, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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Making the result a political victory for Egypt XhxguyxfuzffzzfuiD (talk) 07:40, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
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template. Cannolis (talk) 07:47, 2 February 2025 (UTC)- No per WP:RESULT. We don't add qualifiers such as political victory. Cinderella157 (talk) 01:26, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
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Description of suggested change:
The page says this:
"The British denied the Russian Baltic Fleet use of the canal after the Dogger Bank incident and forced it to steam around the Cape of Good Hope in Africa, giving the Imperial Japanese Armed Forces time to consolidate their position."
But the actual Dogger Bank incident page first doesn't list anything about a denial, secondly, part of the Russian fleet did go through the Suez canal, so there couldn't have been a denial, because if there was, then how did part of the fleet use the Suez canal anyway?
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Killerdark (talk) 05:36, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Aydoh8[contribs] 14:12, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
New article Suez Emergency
[edit]Just a heads-up: editors may want to have a look at the recently-created Suez Emergency article. Not my area of interest necessarily, but this looks like a potentially inappropriate or confusing WP:CONTENTFORK. R Prazeres (talk) 00:06, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- The Suez Emergency article is poorly sourced (largely unsourced) with this news article referring to the increased garrisoning by the British as the Suez Emergency. Searching Google Scholar, it would appear that Suez Emergency is used synonymously for the Suez Crisis and I am not seeing sources referring to 1951-1956 events as the Suez Emergency. I also made several searches, finding Kingdom of Egypt#Suez Emergency but this section was created here on the basis of the previously linked news article. Comparing Suez Emergency with that section, I am not seeing that the new article is a reasonable or necessary content fork. I am not seeing the title as a common or recognisable name for these event or that there is sufficient coverage in good quality sources that would make this independently notable. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:00, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, I can't find any justification for it, per Cinderella157's points. At minimum, the title is clearly a synonym of, or far too similar to, the topic of Suez Crisis and it should redirect here. As for the article itself, even on a quick look the scope is confusing and seems artificial: a few unsourced and poorly-explained events, along with mention of some major events that already have their own articles, and no mention of the Suez war of 1956 despite the obvious relevance. The declaration of "Egyptian victory" in the infobox seems to be a reference to the 1954 Anglo-Egyptian evacuation agreement concerning the withdrawal of the British, but that has its own article now which could be improved (and might merit further clarification in the "Background" section here). There are plenty of existing articles that cover historical events leading up to 1956, including Suez Crisis, Kingdom of Egypt, and History of republican Egypt; it would be better to improve these with proper citations before considering a split or spin-off, if indeed the latter is ever needed.
- Since the article is still new, and given the concerns above, I'm going to be bold and blank and redirect it here. Due to the lack of citations for any new information, I don't see that any material can be usefully transferred elsewhere as is. If there's another solution, feel free to discuss it here.
- I would encourage the article's creator, GloriousFigure, to read the points above and work with other editors here first if they want to re-create a similar article. R Prazeres (talk) 17:11, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Too similar to the Suez crisis? You need to revise your history man sorry. The Suez crisis was an invasion of Egypt by UK, France and Israel while the Suez Emergency was an insurgency following the Wafdist government’s abrogation of the 1936 treaty. As long as I added references, there shall be no debates. GloriousFigure (talk) 20:10, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- I literally added a BBC source, are you even reading the sources. 🤦♂️ GloriousFigure (talk) 20:16, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Just to be clear on this, given the unexplained attempt to restore this ([1]): one BBC article referring to something as the "Suez Emergency" does not demonstrate that this is common usage. As discussed above, it doesn't appear to be and is clearly confusing at best. Moreover, any new article needs to be properly sourced: this is not (the citations appear to be filler that don't actually verify much of what's written). R Prazeres (talk) 22:49, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Mr. Prazers, sir… it’s not confusing… there were series of attack on British troops by Egyptian resistance fighters in the period between the abrogation of the treaty in 1951 until the last British withdrawal from Egypt in accordance to the 1954 evacuation agreement between Egypt and the U.K.
- It’s not confusing at all as I added the appropriate information. I’m not here to argue or cause drama, I respect you from the bottom of my heart but I’m going to have to re-add the article. Sir I swear to god the Suez Emergency was such a thing why you don’t believe me? GloriousFigure (talk) 22:37, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi GloriousFigure, I appreciate the earnestness, but you have not addressed the problems we clearly explained above, you're simply repeating the same point again and again. If you do not understand the problems, then respectfully, perhaps you should pause and work on something else until you're better able to understand the feedback that is given to you. In a comment above, I also suggested some other articles (including this one) that you could edit to cover the same topic in the meantime; as long as you correctly use reliable sources for every addition, I don't see why you can't add information on this in already-existing articles. R Prazeres (talk) 01:26, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- No no no no no buddy, you are just doing what’s on your mind. Instead of this child war, please I beg you just delete the whole Suez emergency article instead of that stupid redirecting thing. You just do things that are on your mind whether you are right or wrong. I’m not exerting anymore energy on that matter. GloriousFigure (talk) 09:48, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hi GloriousFigure, I appreciate the earnestness, but you have not addressed the problems we clearly explained above, you're simply repeating the same point again and again. If you do not understand the problems, then respectfully, perhaps you should pause and work on something else until you're better able to understand the feedback that is given to you. In a comment above, I also suggested some other articles (including this one) that you could edit to cover the same topic in the meantime; as long as you correctly use reliable sources for every addition, I don't see why you can't add information on this in already-existing articles. R Prazeres (talk) 01:26, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Just to be clear on this, given the unexplained attempt to restore this ([1]): one BBC article referring to something as the "Suez Emergency" does not demonstrate that this is common usage. As discussed above, it doesn't appear to be and is clearly confusing at best. Moreover, any new article needs to be properly sourced: this is not (the citations appear to be filler that don't actually verify much of what's written). R Prazeres (talk) 22:49, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- GloriousFigure, per above,
the title is clearly a synonym of, or far too similar to, the topic of Suez Crisis and it should redirect here
. This discussion has not reached a consensus otherwise. There is an onus to gain consensus before reinstating material. Cinderella157 (talk) 11:17, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
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