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Sources

Here are some more sources that say more or less the same things:

--Moscow Connection (talk) 20:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some more:

--Moscow Connection (talk) 14:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Real name

Concerning this: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sigma_Boy&diff=prev&oldid=1264448928.

I'm not going to revert anymore cause there's a 3RR rule, see Wikipedia:Three revert rule enforcement. (I've already reverted accidentally just now while expanding the article.) But could you please stop? It is too obvious that she put her stage name there. --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In accordance with WP:BLPRESTORE, the content needs to stay removed until a consensus is found here. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 13:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

@Jay8g: Concerning the notability tag. The notability is demonstrated by the given sources. Please look at the sources and remove the tag. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:BLPRESTORE

@ToBeFree: How is this (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sigma_Boy&diff=prev&oldid=1264574899) a WP:BLPRESTORE when the info is sourced? It was just some IP editor who thought that Betsy was Svetlana's real name. --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The information "Svetlana Chertischeva is the real name" has been disputed and if 2804:14C:BBE7:44CE:B8E5:FEDB:67F5:D84D genuinely thinks it is a different name, that's a good-faith concern that needs to be discussed before the content can be restored. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 13:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ToBeFree: Look at my recent edit. Vokrug TV also says her name is Svetlana. Her profile (https://www.vokrug.tv/person/show/17347684701/) is titled "Светлана Чертищева", "Svetlana Chertisheva". I don't really see a reason for any dispute. --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Diff/1264448928 seems to disagree; we should probably wait to see if 2804:14c:bbe7:44ce:b8e5:fedb:67f5:d84d returns to Wikipedia in the next days. If there is no objection and they don't join the discussion, I personally won't object to restoring the name. My removal is the direct response to a report at WP:ANEW; I don't have a position and am not in a position authoritatively choose one of the two names based on sources. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 13:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, it can wait a few days. My primary concern was that the IP added incorrect info. --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 17:56, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the song "Sigma Boy" is effective as an alarm tone?
- ALT1: ... that the song "Sigma Boy" has been claimed to be effective as a wake-up alarm tone?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ryusei Nishioka
- Comment: Not sure if this hook is bad or very bad. But it may work for April 1. (Hopefully I’ll come up with something better.)

Created by Moscow Connection (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 40 past nominations.

Moscow Connection (talk) 23:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Moscow Connection: In case you weren't aware, DYK rules changed a few months ago to require QPQs at the time of the nomination, rather than up to a week after. As such, please provided a QPQ promptly, as the nomination may be closed without further warning if one isn't given. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, sorry. Give me 30 minutes. --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article was fresh when nominated and it meets the length requirements. I see plenty of citations, a bit too many in fact. I do not think that we need 18 citations for a single sentence. Funnily enough, there is also a citation needed tag in the article. The article needs a bit of copy-editing to look more encyclopedic (e.g. "don't"→"do not", "guys with fluffy hair"→possibly "young men with a broccoli haircut"). Is one anonymous video game player's mocking of a haircut encyclopedically notable? I see nothing about an alarm tone in the article and the proposed hooks do not strike me as interesting anyway, but there is plenty of material in the article for very interesting hooks. For one thing, the fact that the performers are 11 and 12 years old is attention-grabbing. Then there is the bit about brain rot and the use of "sigma boy" to catch the attention of non-Russian speakers. Moscow Connection, it is unfortunate that you did not nominate Betsy (Russian singer) for DYK alongside this nomination. I would suggest creating an article about Maria Yankovskaya, if she meets Wikipedia's notability standards, and adding it to this nomination. Surtsicna (talk) 15:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The part about an alarm tone was deleted by an IP editor, I've just reverted it back in: [1]. --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly saying, I was afraid the Betsy article was not good enough for a DYK. As for Maria Yankovskaya (or Maria Iankovskaia; that is the spelling she uses), she does meet the notability criteria but she is not as famous as Betsy. And she is more of an actress / TV presenter than a singer, her article will be harder to create. (There's a biography on VokrugTV.ru [2]. And now "Sigma Boy" entered the charts, so she is notable. But other than that, she wasn't in the news much yet.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will look into it. --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed "don't" to "do not" and "guys" to "young men". But "fluffy hair" is basically the name of the meme. And it is not the same is a "broccoli haircut". --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:20, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I will create an article for Maria Yankovskaya. Give me a few days.
It won't really matter if she or Betsy are nominated for DYK or not. We can still add links to them, they just won't be in bold font. --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:35, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

More bold links means more views, i.e. more people reading about the topic you wrote about. It is not a requirement, of course. Surtsicna (talk) 08:58, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Moscow Connection, Surtsicna, and Narutolovehinata5: What is the status of this nomination?--Laun chba ller 14:49, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I still think that the hook can and should be better. All of my concerns about the article have been addressed, Launchballer, but I still feel a bit iffy here. It feels like I am missing something. Surtsicna (talk) 10:53, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So, I looked at the article and cut the hook on WP:SUMMARY grounds, as it is clearly too hyperbolic to be encyclopedic. I suggest instead ALT2: ... that a German TikToker started a trend of playing "Sigma Boy" at full volume on public transport? Also, WP:CLUMP needs resolving - there should not be seventeen references for a single claim.--Laun chba ller 14:00, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Moscow Connection: Please address the above.--Laun chba ller 15:30, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator hasn't edited since January 18th, and so regretfully I'm marking the nomination for closure as stale. The issues also remain unaddressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:59, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Brainrot classification

I find the brainrot classification quite subjective and just bashing the song. That the song has been described by some people only doesnt justify the classificiation. That the song is a happy-peppy song and may be annoying to some is not a reason to qualify it as brainrot, as many others just find it an uplifting song, like there are many happy songs that are not described as such. Barbie Girl or this APT song are brainrot to me, but that's not a reason to qualify it as such on wikipedia. To be honest, it just looks like politically motivated Russian song bashing, while as far as I know, politics should not play a role in the description of this song. 86.88.126.249 (talk) 08:38, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Banned

It is necessary to describe the recent attempt to ban this song in Europe, which was proposed by one German member of the European Parliament. As if this innocent children's song is promoting the terrible Russian culture in Europe. Obviously, now no one from Russia can do something famous and famous, because this way you will have an influence, which means you are definitely a propagandist. 85.140.117.100 (talk) 18:57, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2025

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Adding a category 120.29.87.222 (talk) 10:45, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.

What category did you want to add? DrOrinScrivello (talk) 14:46, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Internet memes introduced in 2024 120.29.68.85 (talk) 13:27, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2025

One of the categories needs to be specified, in that the 'Internet memes' category should be specified to 'Internet memes introduced in 2024' because it specifies the year that it was introduced and also add it into the category for 'Internet memes introduced from Russia'. Change the category 'Internet memes' to 'Internet memes introduced in 2024'. 87.115.29.101 (talk) 19:21, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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120.29.68.85 (talk) 13:13, 2 February 2025 (UTC) adding a category[reply]

Already done. Aydo h8^[contribs] 13:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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120.29.68.85 (talk) 13:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC) adding a category[reply]

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120.29.68.85 (talk) 13:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done - You did not make any request. Please make a request in the "please change X to Y" format. Thanks. Imconfused3456 13:22, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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120.29.68.85 (talk) 13:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC) adding a category[reply]

yes 120.29.68.85 (talk) 13:22, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ukraine

Now even in Ukraine they have come up with the idea that this song is Kremlin propaganda of the “cult of power” 85.140.116.239 (talk) 06:28, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Red Army Choir

https://www.rt.com/pop-culture/613135-russian-choir-sigma-boy/ 36.73.35.13 (talk) 05:40, 23 February 2025 (UTC) The Red Army Choir made their own version of this song[reply]

WP:RT.COM is not reliable source. Cannot use reference for citation. –HirowoWiki 05:51, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this page should have a "Controversy" section.

On December 14th 2024 European Parliament member Nela Riehl mentioned this song in an address. Explaining how it's a tool of Russian cultural influence and propaganda. A Russian military choir has also made their own cover of the song. While the subject matter I brought up here is rather humorous, I still believer it should be included in the article.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/CRE-10-2024-12-17-INT-2017008917503_EN.html <- here is there the European Parliament representative brought it up for reference. SanyaDS (talk) 12:28, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:CRITS. If it is due at all, it goes in the prose. Needs secondary sourcing to show it is WP:DUE. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:58, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure the song's controversy was widely documented. SanyaDS (talk) 12:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]