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What do you say about this draft? Do you think it now meets the criteria @CNMall41: @SafariScribe:? Jõséhola 12:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, it doesn't. All the YouTube links are improper and doesn't meet WP:RS. I haven't seen any significant thing he has done as a musician. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 12:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are a ton of unreliable sources and the WP:REFBOMBing make it nearly impossible to review. I would suggest addressing that issue first, leaving only reliable sources and removing any content that has no reliable source(s) to support. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The subject may not meet the specific notability criteria under WP:NMUSIC, but it satisfies the WP:GNG. Its musical contributions are part of a broader scope of creative and cultural activism that includes music as a significant component. The subject has received substantial coverage from multiple independent WP:RS and secondary sources, both in Arabic and English, that discuss the topic in detail. Moreover, per WP:NEXIST, additional coverage exists in WP:RSPSOURCES, further supporting the subject's notability.
I initially considered WP:DESCRIBE including the subject as part of Shatha Altowai’s article, as their work intersects collaboratively, and much (not all) of the coverage discusses them together. However, the distinct details and information about each would make it overly lengthy and likely non-compliant with Wikipedia's article size and scope, with information becoming grossly irrelevant. Therefore, I focused on editing the subject's already available standalone draft, which complements and provides additional context for better readability and contextualisation. This approach also allows linking through redirects for sections in either subject's article that provide more in-depth information about specific aspects of their work, avoiding unnecessary duplication of content.
I have worked to reframe the article to better emphasise these aspects, address tone issues, and improve sourcing. I'm still a newcomer here, and these are among my first contributions since joining, so your guidance and feedback would be greatly appreciated! Wikiyem (talk) 11:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the WP:REFBOMBing I understand that evaluating notability and reliability can be challenging when there are numerous sources to review. To make the process easier for reviewers, I have compiled a list of some reliable sources used in the article, along with explanations of their relevance and independence from the subject, which I believe demonstrate the subject's notability under the WP:GNG:
1. Edinburgh Live
Source no. in article: [1]
Relevance: Highlights the subject’s journey and story based on the BBC Scotland episode.
Independence: Independent digital news platform focusing on Edinburgh and widely recognised for its local coverage.
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2. Declassified UK
Source no. in article: [4]
Relevance: Contextualises the subject’s struggle during the war.
Independence: Declassified UK is a leading investigative journalism platform, independent of the subject.
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3. Al-Madaniya Magazine
Source no. in article: [5]
Relevance: Covers details about the subject’s early life and career.
Independence: A Yemeni cultural magazine funded by the German Institute of Foreign Affairs, with a diverse editorial team.
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4. Monte Carlo Doualiya (In Arabic)
Source no. in article: [6] |access-date=2024-12-21 |language=ar}}</ref>
Relevance: Features an interview with the subject and highlights their early and personal life.
Independence: Monte Carlo Doualiya is a French public radio service broadcasting in Arabic, it is part of France Médias Monde, the French state-owned company.
Another source also ([2]) (in Arabic) was used in this article which is from the same source but with a different programme through a radio broadcast interview in Arabic, it was used to give more details on the subject's practice before and after relocation, also highlighted some of the subject's music compositions.
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5. Al Jazeera Arabic (YouTube) (In Arabic)
Source no. in article: [7]
Relevance: Features an interview with the subject, showcasing one of their compositions and referring to them as a musician.
Independence: Al Jazeera is part of Al Jazeera Media Network, a widely recognised media outlet listed in WP:RSPSOURCES, though Al Jazeera Arabic reliability is not as efficient as Al Jazeera English, it was used for this uncontroversial topic.
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6. Al Araby TV (Youtube) (In Arabic)
Source no. in article: [[1]]
Relevance: A TV report discusses the subject’s advocacy for women in art and their struggles.
Independence: Al Araby (TV channel) is a widely recognised media channel in the Arab world.
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7. Alhurra (YouTube) (In Arabic)
Source no. in article: [11]
Relevance: Highlights the subject’s artistic and musical practice in Yemen.
Independence: Alhurra is a U.S. government-funded Arabic news channel, independent from the subject.
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8. BBC Scotland (YouTube)
Source no. in article: [14]
Relevance: This source sheds light on the subject’s journey, identifying them as a musician and featuring one of their music compositions.
Independence: BBC Scotland is part of (British Broadcasting Corporation) listed in WP:RSPBBC, making it a reliable and independent publication.
Usage: Used to reflect aspects of the subject’s story without relying solely on their own words.
Another complementary source ([27]) via BBC Radio Scotland, which is from the same (British Broadcasting Corporation) family.
I have also found another TV report about the subject practice featured in BBC Arabic, but not used in this article: [Not used]
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9. The National News
Source no. in article: [25]
Relevance: used to cover the subject’s theatre play in detail.
Independence: The National (Abu Dhabi) is an English-language UAE state-owned newspaper.
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Hopefully this helps, Ta! Wikiyem (talk) 23:17, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]