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New song about Marvin Heemeyer

"La Balada de Marvin Heemeyer" - Song by chilean band "FDM", released on december 25,2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCR0eREHnk4&feature=youtu.be

Biased References

Some heavily used references on this page 1, 8 and 10 probably shouldn't be used as much. Patrick Brower, references 8 and 10 and the source for several of the news article references also, was a targeted victim of the man this page is about. His book on the subject is biased to some extent and leaves out some key information on the subject. Tom Bagsarian, source number 1 has been the editor for several concrete magazines and has connections to the family that own the concrete factory that was targeted. After spending much time on the subject and reading Patrick Brower's book (the main source in this article) I can see key information has been left out to create a bias on the subject. I am unable to provide a soloution to this issue. Hopefully someone who is experienced with editing Wikepedia can fix the page. HubberDubber (talk) 02:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I brought up the issue at Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Killdozer. It would be a big help if you could comment on that page, providing exact quotes and page numbers from Patrick Brower's book if possible. --Guy Macon Alternate Account (talk) 13:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i am almost certainly the wrong editor to help you as I never touch anything remotely like this, but let me ask you a question to perhaps start a discussion by other editors. In what way is this man notable? I understand that the event itself was highly notable if you live in Granby and may warrant an article; I haven't looked closely enough to determine that and don't really want to. But before we even get to the sourcing, this is a biography of a living person, no? There are some pretty stringent rules for those articles and one of them, I am pretty sure, is that you don't need to be spidered by Google for a single event like a midlife crisis where you went nuts with a bulldozer, which is my takeaway from a very fast skim of the article. If nobody else answers you, try WP:BLPN. But it is probably also relevant to whatever the situation is that sources for the most part are allowed to be biased. The question is whether they are reliable for the facts. Unless they are so biased they misrepresent the facts... I really have very little interest or bandwidth; but my hot take is that the article probably shouldn't exist at all. Better yet, if you are new to Wikipedia, go to the Teahouse or the Help Desk; they will be more versed in the proper procedures for this. Elinruby (talk) 01:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The incident is clearly notable if you look at the sources, but per WP:CRIME I agree it should have been named '2004 Granby bulldozer rampage' or similar. Then again the same guideline says it's okay to make it a biography if the crime was unusual. By the way, Heemeyer is dead so it's not a BLP. As for the biased sources, this doesn't read like an attack article at all. It even mentions he rescued someone from an avalanche. @HubberDubber, I don't think many will have the time to read through the book and edit this article unless they're otherwise interested. I recommend doing so yourself. This is a popular page so any mistakes you might make will probably be corrected quickly. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 10:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC); edited 10:58, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very late response, but BLP has nothing to do with this. The L in BLP stands for "living", after all.

The entire background for the incident is Heemeyer's... antics, so in practice the biography is him and the same. I feel like it would be more confusing to write it as an event based article PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of bias in this article and a single source of failure (Patrick Brower). He is known to change his story over the time and he was never a neutral source. this article should be updated accordingly. 212.64.228.98 (talk) 05:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree there is clear bias in the article especially considering the sources cited being from an unreliable target during the incident. Rockmonster911 (talk) 23:03, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is no requirement that sources be unbiased. "Bias" is not a criteria for rejecting a source. Refer to WP:BIASED. The only requirement id that the article itself be neutral (which, BTW, does not mean "fair and balanced"). So unless you have specifics as to what needs to be repaired, there's nothing to discuss. Random bellyaching about generalities never leads to anything meaningful. ButlerBlog (talk) 23:27, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Criminal categorisation

Do categories such as "American male criminals" fit here? No doubt what he did was illegal, but owing to his suicide he was never tried and convicted. InherentDogma (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. A fine is not a criminal charge, so the removal of said category is warranted. Good call! Sink Cat (talk) 23:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wanted to add a few sentences (with sources) to the "In Popular Culture" section. Drownedcollards (talk) 05:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 05:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed

This article has been changed in the last few years and is now negatively biased against Heemeyer, no longer stating the truth. Obviously influenced by his critics and enemies 2601:602:B81:C454:369F:7819:AD2E:E62B (talk) 23:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've altered the heading as templates like that aren't formatted well to that purpose. As to your concern, I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically. You should identify specific instances of this bias. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The truth is not biased, Heemeyer was in no way slighted by anyone and this article is currently in an absolutely ridiculous state that vacillates between the truth and unapologetic glazing of a man who created his own problems and expected others to fix them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.38.13 (talk) 07:32, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been filled with untruthful statements regarding the conflicts leading to the incident. The are multiple independent documentaries contradicting statements made in this article. Rockmonster911 (talk) 22:58, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Heemeyer did not secretly build the killdozer. He told people he was doing it. 98.25.8.80 (talk) 11:10, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. This seems to contradict existing sourcing in the article. If you have sources to support this statement, please share it. ~ Pbritti (talk) 12:22, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

== Happy Marvin Heemeyer Day 2025 ==

RIP, Marvin.

107.77.209.200 (talk) 04:06, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]