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Unencyclopaedic

Seems there's wiki moderators here who think that articles should be "encyclopaedic". Judging by what gets deleted it is obvious that the whole entire article is "unencyclopaedic".

It's not good enough for an uneducated individual with a login to randomly deface articles just so they can feel something other than the pathetic truth of their life history.

I suggest that such "helpful" (sarcastic) authors attend a university, particularly a science-based course, and learn some realities about fact vs fiction, and logic - particularly when hypocratic reasons are cited for defacement of articles.

Also I suggest that those authors who enjoy defacement of this article actually try and commute on the M4 before making any future changes to this article. But then what's the point of trying to educate a man who believes he has all the knowledge he will ever need? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.155.82 (talk • contribs)

Counties?

Why are (pretty much) obsolete counties as such as 'West Glamorgan' or 'Dyfed' mentioned?

The article should either use current subdivisions or not use them at all. The road is the responsibility of National Governments, UK Government (for England) and Welsh Government (in Wales) so there is an argument that only the Wales/ England border matters.

Obviously it would be desirable to have consistency with other articles on other motorways, but I thought it helpful to kick off a debate here rather than wade in and edit first. Fourthedit (talk) 15:24, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In other articles, English ceremonial counties are used. The equivalent in Wales are the preserved counties: Gwynedd, Clwyd, Powys, Dyfed, West Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan, South Glamorgan and Gwent. This is because while there is, in many of these, no county wide governmant, each of these counties has a Lord Lieutenant and a High Sheriff, similar to how the "metropolitan counties" like the West Midlands and Tyne and Wear have these officials but no county wide government, or how Lord Lieutenants and High Sherriffs represent unitary authorities within their county boundaries.

While some of the principal areas are considered counties, others are merely county boroughs. Thus, the preserved counties are the lowest level at which counties are consistent.

Preserved counties, therefore, continue to be used as subdivisions, and I would suggest that to replace, say, 'Entering Dyfed' with 'Entering Carmarthenshire would be akin to replacing 'Entering Greater London' with 'Entering Hillingdon' at the other end, and continuing to add the other London boroughs and English councils it passes through. This may make the table more comprehensive, but it would also clutter it up with all this information. While it may be something to consider across all motorway pages, with the system as it currently is, I think preserved counties are best. Mozartnut (talk) 17:33, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Former Tolls pre-decimal

The page on the Severn Bridge lists the initial 1966 toll as 2s6d (one-eighth of a pound, equivalent to 12.5p), but this page says 12½ pre-decimal pence, which would be 12½d, or 1s½d, which isn't what I think is intended (and which would be a very inconvenient amount). I understand the price should be given in £sd in 1966, but I think this is actually new (decimal) pence labeled incorrectly as pre-decimal pence. Nn26376 (talk) 16:03, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Nn26376: This struck me as odd, too. I have copied the figure from the Severn Bridge article, which to me seems much more likely. I have not copied the reference across because I have not personally verified it. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:07, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Recent image addition

Do editors think this image belongs in this article? I would say no, as it's just a lane marker, on the slip road of the M5, that leads to the M4. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:26, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's nonsense. It's a picture of the M5 taken on the M5. If you don't revert its addition I will. Good job! 10mmsocket (talk) 15:51, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP 123.103.210.115 has now tried to add it four times. So we are nearing WP:EDITWAR territory. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:53, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't think so if two of us have removed it for a valid reason, what we have simply is a disruptive editor - he's the one warring. 10mmsocket (talk) 15:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Road signs in the United Kingdom would be a suitable location. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He / she has posted bad images there too. 10mmsocket (talk) 16:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]