No, a single space trip doesn't by itself equate to being one.
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Shouldn't a "controversy" section be created? I've read a Perry act was created because of the dispute and one of the nuns died during the proceedings. The fact such a big event isn't mentioned, that there is no mention at all about her real estates ventures or any backlash related to it, there is no mention of the current backlash to her trip to space and the general hagiographic feel of the article that has been apparently raised before come togheter to put serious doubt on the impartiality of the article. Gdago (talk) 09:31, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lumping things into separate "controversy" sections on biography pages is frowned upon in general as that creates undue negative weight. We therefore are better off avoiding things like that for any discussion of the ordeal. As for her space trip, there actually ARE criticisms of it located under the 143 subsection of "Life and career". SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 12:25, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also came here looking for this. I think the "not creating a controversies" section is a reason good enough to whitewash this, which was a pretty notorious thing, with lots of press coverage. I'll start by adding a paragraph about it. --uKER (talk) 16:07, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The prior absence wasn't exactly an attempt to "whitewash" anything, even when I still oppose using "controversy" as a heading title, and the only reason I didn't previously add this myself was because I couldn't decide on a good placement within the page before you inserted text. I cannot speak on behalf of others as to why they hadn't implemented the topic. Nevertheless, other people are free to adjust the section. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:32, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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@TerraNulliusClaimer She is a Space tourist. Commercial astronaut implies she went to space for a space profession, she didn't. Regardless, the term astronaut is defined by NASA and previous discussion has found consensus that Katy Perry is not to be labeled an astronaut in this article. You can open a discussion for a different term. RCSCott91 (talk) 20:49, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Any other proposals might just be beating a dead horse when there already have been multiple threads on what the trip makes her into. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 22:21, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm inclined to say no when one brief space trip alone isn't very defining for her career. If there are others she embarks on in the future, then we could reassess the matter. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 19:15, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No. She's a space tourist, it's not something that should be in the lead or listed as an occupation. It's a current topic of news so I get the focus, but in a month or so, it's just going to be a curiousity. Ravensfire (talk) 20:21, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, both the common understanding of what an astronaut/cosmonaut includes years of training and generally some type of mission. From the formal perspective of NASA, who more narrowly defined the term, Katy Perry would still not qualify. | NASA Astronaut DefinitionRCSCott91 (talk) 02:09, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No Astronaut is a profession and she isn't one. It also isn't what makes her notable. What is in the lead should reflect the body. DrGlef (talk) 07:56, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
She's a space tourist. That a unique feat. But doesn't meet the criteria for astronaut as she isn't a trained professional and didn't contribute to the mission in any meaningful way. 45.118.67.4 (talk) 13:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done that's stretching it, and the above thread has discussed why one space trip on its own doesn't automatically make somebody an astronaut. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:03, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A Michael Jackson stan keeps on blocking any information on claimed sales of various artists, including Katy Perry. This user is known for doing that in all related articles that he would encounter. He monopolizes the List of best-selling music artists article as if he speaks on behalf of everyone, and rejects even the credible sources provided by various users and contributors of the article. He keeps on removing Katy's claimed sales figures in this article especially the recently updated claimed sales. Because according to him, the sales figures aren't right based on his personal bias. LOL. 143kittypurry (talk) 16:11, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:TheWikiholic What makes you think that placing Katy in the section for artists with sales under 150 million units makes her ineligible to have a different claimed sales figures on her own Wiki article? Just to be clear, she is placed under that sales bracket since YOU refused to accept the recent updates on her claimed sales, even they are from credible sources. Stop controlling everything and monopolizing articles that do not fit in your made-up rules. Obviously, you have some ownership issues. 143kittypurry (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Don't twist this into something it's not, 143kittypurry; you were adding things that included streams and those aren't the same thing as actual copies sold. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 16:54, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The 143 million units were already there in the article before I updated it to 213 million recently, so it appears that these figures are acceptable. I just updated them from the existing "143 million units sold" that were already included the article. 143kittypurry (talk) 17:26, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
143kittypurry For artists like the Beatles, Michael Jackson, and Elvis Presley, multiple reliable sources report sales over 1 billion records, but editors have reached a consensus to use more conservative figures of 600 million and 500 million, respectively, due to potential inflation. Similarly, citing a record label's report (a primary source) claiming Katy Perry has 11.5 billion streams and 70 million adjusted albums sold, plus 143 million tracks sold, is problematic because the 70 million adjusted albums combine physical sales, downloads, and streams, and the 143 million tracks sold also include streams, effectively double-counting certifications. This is further illustrated by Katy Perry's best selling album Teenage Dream, which is certified 10 million units in the US alone, though actual sales (physical + downloads) still stands up just above 3.1 million units. Which means only 31% of her album sales are generated from sales; the same for track certifications as well. This is exactly why independent sources like Chart Masters have her total record sales at 74.9M units." TheWikiholic (talk) 17:09, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is no basis for you to say that the 143 million tracks include streams. How did you know? Katy peaked during the digital downloads era which means most of her sales are in digital format, thus classifying them as pure sales. Also, it is alarming that you would rather believe Chart Masters than reliable sources in determining these sales figures. 143kittypurry (talk) 17:32, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Roar' is Katy Perry's highest certified song in the US, with 15× Platinum certification equivalent to 15 million units. However, actual sales are around 6.6 million units, which is only 45%. and are you still saying Katy Perry's sales are downloads generated and don't include streams? TheWikiholic (talk) 18:51, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I did not say that her certifications do not include streams. You were generalizing that most of her sales are from streams and that was a misleading assumption. 143kittypurry (talk) 05:28, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you ignoring my comments about the 1 billion claimed sales from reputable sources like NYT, Reuters, CNN, and BBC, while Wikipedia pages still use conservative claims like 600M and 500M? TheWikiholic (talk) 18:59, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just FYI, ChartMasters has been rejected on other pages before as a dubious source when they seem to pull their claims out of nowhere, so I would take any numbers from that site with a grain of salt. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:36, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also not in favour of their numbers, but I have often noted their numbers are a bit higher for contemporary artists like Taylor Swift, which is almost near for Madonna; this is why I mentioned how low their numbers are for Katy Perry. TheWikiholic (talk) 23:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're referencing ChartMasters and we all know how dubious that website is. Lots of typos and outdated information. It bothers me that you would rather reference ChartMasters than these credible sources. 143kittypurry (talk) 05:23, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ChartMasters is considered unreliable due to reasons beyond typos and outdated information. The cited sources are based on circular reporting from record labels, which may have inflated sales figures for promotional purposes. Inflated sales data is problematic, regardless of the artist or claimed numbers." TheWikiholic (talk) 05:58, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a specific percentage of inflation that's deemed unacceptable? How would this be measured and agreed upon when including sales figures in artists' discography articles? While your concern about circular reporting is valid, simply dismissing a source without considering who would be a more reliable arbiter makes everything inconsistent and subjective. You cannot just go on every artist's article page and impose your made-up rules. 143kittypurry (talk) 07:08, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, you cannot tell that artist x cannot sold this x amount of records just because of your "Beatles, Michael Jackson, and Elvis Presley, multiple reliable sources report sales over 1 billion records, but editors have reached a consensus..." rule blah blah. 143kittypurry (talk) 07:10, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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@SNUGGUMS: You said not regarding Katy Hudson album is such a "a cheap cop-out" and "completely unfair", but then I want to ask your opinion about Björk's case - her debut album, Björk, which seems perfectly match with Perry's case. On the talk page of 143, Björk's case was already mentioned by IP user, but I can't find your exact opinion about Björk's case.
In case it wasn't clear before, I was additionally opposing the notion of excluding Björk's self-titled album from her totals for similar reasons. It is also deceptive to not count that one. That IP's mentality that only releases from mainstream labels should be accounted for remains dubious. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 12:11, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds like some publications have biases against things released through non-mainstream labels by treating them as less worthy of acknowledgement. Trying to reinforce such a fallacious stance would lead to more misconceptions on overall totals. Don't listen to those who suggest whether something is or isn't a studio album can be determined by the type of label it came from. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:55, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. twisted. (user | talk | contribs) 14:16, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
Not done that's stretching it, and the above thread has discussed why one space trip on its own doesn't automatically make somebody an astronaut. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:03, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
