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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 June 2025

" In what has been described as a cold war, the Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict, waged on multiple levels over geopolitical, economic, and sectarian influence in pursuit of regional hegemony, has been a major features of Western Asia since 1979."

features should say feature. 82.34.149.236 (talk) 10:43, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done – macaddct1984 (talk | contribs) 11:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Outdated?

Considering Israel directly struck Iran last night, is it really just a “proxy” war at this point? Jaybainshetland (talk) 12:20, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, and the Israeli Ambassador to America said they are at war. I'd reckon a new article for a full war is due. Yesyesmrcool (talk) 02:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New title or article

Given the escalatpry nature of hostilities between Israel and Iran which have included the direct exchange of missile strikes and Israel's continued targeting of official Iranian military/nuclear sites, it is no longer accurate to frame this solely as a "proxy" conflict. The scope and intensity of recent developments suggest a transition into a more overt, direct confrontation. 2806:370:10A3:F562:8E03:649A:7CF:9A41 (talk) 19:11, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 June 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. The opposes have it by quality and quantity of argument. Recent events don’t necessarily change this article’s topic, given the multiple decades it covers before the June conflict. (closed by non-admin page mover) Garsh (talk) 04:17, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Iran–Israel proxy conflict → Iran–Israel conflict – Proxy is way too specific and no longer accurate to describe even the recent escalation. Korean conflict is described as a proxy conflict now even though in the past there was fighting during the Korea war. Same logic applies here. Aasim (話す（はなす）) 23:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Using the same logic brought up in last year's exact same discussion, this article covers the forty-years long proxy conflict between Iran and Israel that is ongoing to this day. Events from three days ago should not change this fact, and an article already exists covering the non-proxy conflict; if the current events do turn into a longer war, it of course will still be noted here but should have a separate article focusing entirely on it. Both sides are still using proxies throughout the middle east to exert influence over one another and that shows no signs of coming to an end. Yeoutie (talk) 01:31, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This was a proxy conflict only. This is not a proxy conflict anymore: it is a full conflict, that started as a proxy conflict and escalated as a full conflict; the proxy conflict can now be read as a phase of a general conflict. --cyclopiaspeak! 12:45, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose… again. I was involved in a similar discussion last year and my opinion remains the same. Just because it’s escalated to a direct war, doesn’t mean the proxy war never happened. The articles about them deserve to remain separate. If there ababsolutely has to be a rename, something like Prelude to the Israel-Iran War would be a more appropriate target. ZionniThePeruser (talk) 16:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the current name is much better. KiltedKangaroo (talk) 13:49, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This article refers to a very long period of time, covering a wide array of events, such as proxies fighting one of the main states in question. However, the current war is only relevant to 2025 and represents a direct confrontation, making it different in nature. I would advise that this article not include the current war in order to keep it on topic. Cheers! KiltedKangaroo (talk) 13:48, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the proposed move per above, but a move to Iran–Israel proxy war could be considered. As far as I can tell, the terms proxy war and cold war are more prevalent in sources than proxy conflict. Also in general, I don't think there's actually any difference between the terms proxy conflict and proxy war, but the latter is much more common in usage. 9ninety (talk) 15:53, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Edit request 15 June 2025

That it is called a cold war should be removed from the lede, because it is not so cold anymore Bro (talk) 10:22, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: It may be "not so cold anymore," but the article covers events dating back decades, not only recent ones. Day Creature (talk) 17:38, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 June 2025

Hey for the ongoing status part, you should remove that Iran reinforces Syria, since Assad's regime was overthrown in December, 2024 and the new regime essentially thinks this: HTS is aggressively rolling back Iran’s military, logistical, and political presence in Syria. They espouse a rhetoric of mutual respect but have taken concrete steps—airspace bans, militia crackdowns, border clashes—that fundamentally undermine Tehran’s influence. From Tehran’s standpoint, HTS remains a serious threat to the "axis of resistance." This is just my own opinion, but currently, and I am so sure you can find sources for this, but Iran no longer can get its airspace over Syria, as well as other steps of distancing which makes the backing of Hezbollah harder for them now. Objectively, Syria's new primary regime under Al-Joulani has a form of respect/mutual understanding of them, and certainly do not like Israel for their actions in the Golan Heights and continued aggression there to also air strike Syria and take areas like Mount Hermon. Regardless, I feel this should be changed to backed support for Syria until 2024 (maybe add like a carrot top detail that redirects to the overthrowing of Assad/something about the relations being cut), and Hezbollah continued. At this point, Iran isn't exactly providing aid to Syria anymore, and Syria has rolled back stuff that Iran once gave to them/ties, so now its sort of at this strange point, I would put it as if Syria isn't actively fighting Iran much, but it is also a disturbance to them in some ways, so they are somewhat on bad terms as of current, it could change but a better reflection of it being Iran reinforced Syria until 2024, continues to reinforce Hezbollah. You could change it up, but its a better current reflection of events. ObamaCrockadile (talk) 18:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. SI09 (talk) 16:07, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Was"

Wouldn't it be better to make this article just about the proxy conflicts that led to this current hot war? Then we could say that the Iran-Israel proxy conflict was ...... Red Slash 05:11, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support this fully. ZionniThePeruser (talk) 19:21, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from WP:Requests for page protection/Edit

There are reports of the new regime in Syria allowing Israeli jets to use its airspace, so Syria could now be listed as 'support' or 'proxy' on Israel's behalf. Israeli leaders have made no secret that they played a role in the dismantlement of the Assad regime through the weakening of Hezbollah, and deterring Iranian planes.

Additionally, there are allegations of unofficial support from Iraqi Kurdish groups and relations with Israel against the Islamic Republic of Iran, as well as back-channel support from Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco.

Germany supports Israel and Merz has made that clear. Italy also supports. Probably limited Canadian and Australian support too. While, the Netherlands and Denmark also participated in "Operation Prosperity Guardian" in the Red Sea against the Houthis in Yemen.

On the other hand, Iran is supported by Iraq, Qatar, Turkey, Russia, North Korea, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

It is not 'just' Israel and its Western allies and anti-regime Iranian proxies against the Iranian regime and its proxies in Gaza, Lebanon, Iraq and Yemen, but politically it is much more nuanced and many other countries are definitely involved here behind-the-scenes. 188.214.15.197 (talk) 15:05, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit requests to that article should follow the WP:EDITXY guidelines because it is covered by 'contentious topics' rules. If the proposed changes do not follow those guidelines there is almost no chance that they will be implemented. And any claim should be accompanied by reliable sourcing that supports the claim. Sean.hoyland (talk) 15:33, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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