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A fact from Ian Wolstenholme appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 February 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that English footballer Ian Wolstenholme once saved three penalty kicks in a 1966 match?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 01:04, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Ian Wolstenholme, when playing in goal for Enfield, saved a penalty kick late into extra time in the 1967 FA Amateur Cup final at Wembley Stadium?~~

Source: https://www.enfieldindependent.co.uk/sport/14662891.enfield-town-win-commemorative-friendly-over-skelmersdale-united/

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bugia (candlestick)

5x expanded by Mattythewhite (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 26 past nominations.

Mattythewhite (talk) 16:26, 11 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]

The hook may need some copyediting or revising. There are too many blue links which are likely to distract from the main point. In addition, the hook as currently written might be too technical for readers who are unfamiliar with association football or soccer. Perhaps someone like SounderBruce could assist with a hook and suggest more layperson-friendly wordings? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- It's also not that interesting compared to another fact in the article. ALT1: ... that English footballer Ian Wolstenholme once saved three penalty kicks in a 1966 match? Sounder Bruce 03:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really sure either. Isn't it not uncommon for players to save multiple penalty kicks per game? I think even doing it twice in a game is relatively common. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From my experience of following football I'd say it's very rare for a goalkeeper to save three penalty kicks in the same match. According to this clever looking piece of research, there's a 14.7% chance of a goalkeeper saving a penalty. I've not got the brain capacity to work out the chance of saving three based on this but I'd imagine it's pretty slim. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I've struck the original hook, with ALT1 still available for review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:44, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: a full review of this nomination is still needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:22, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Giving this a full review. The article was created on time (within seven days), is long enough, is free from close paraphrasing, and is adequately sourced. No close paraphrasing was found. A full QPQ has been done. The hook is cited inline, but it's paywalled so if possible it would be nice to have an excerpt provided (although I'm willing to AGF here). The only other concern is that the Personal life section is only one sentence long. Is that all that's known about him? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:36, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for the review. This is the text used for the claim, from this source: "Sheffield schoolteacher Ian Wolstenholme set up what must be a record when he saved three out of four penalties awarded to Retford Town against his club, Sheffield F.C., in a Yorkshire League Division Two match at Retford last Saturday, writes Reg Whittaker".

I'm afraid this is all I've managed to discover about him so far, and finding more will be difficult given that he wasn't a high-profile footballer or football manager, and most of the sourcing available is from local coverage. We could merge the early life and personal life sections, until a time that more content is added to justify having a standalone personal life section? Mattythewhite (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's fair. I really can't access the source since it's asking me to sign up for a free trial, so I'll have to assume good faith on the source in this case.

This should be good to go then. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:35, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]