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Lazar Jovanović (footballer, born 2006)

I just saw User:Yoda1893 undid my redirect of that page without even stating a reason. Despite having signed a professional contract for Red Star Belgrade, the young footballer seems to lack notability on his own. As stated in my last edit summary, secondary coverage of him are limited to routine announcements to VfB Stuttgart, even when I searched in Serbian. Note that NFOOTY has been removed per WP:NSPORTS2022, and all sport-related articles must provide multiple IRS SIGCOV to demonstrate notability. He also falls in WP:NOTINHERITED, being the son of Milan Jovanović (footballer, born 1981). ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:35, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To me the the removing of a WP:BLAR is the same as removing a PROD. It's just contesting a deletion which is okay. Next step, after a PROD removal would be an AfD nomination for consensus building. I don't have an opinion on the page, but if you feel the BLAR is meritted, then AfD could be the consensus builder. RedPatch (talk) 13:01, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Creating such a redirect without any consensus is what's not okay. It would be pretty easy to find ten thousands of pages of players who are less notable on English Wikipedia. --Yoda1893 (talk) 18:18, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with RP - take to AFD. Redirecting a player to a club is not standard. Giant Snowman 18:33, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: I wasn't making a redirect to the footballer's club, but his father. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 06:35, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's even worse. --Yoda1893 (talk) 00:21, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pako Ayestarán

I've noticed a strange trend of IPs and new accounts editing solely around this former assistant to Rafael Benítez, often inflating his impact on teams and not writing in a POV way. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Many edits show an over-familiarity with him and his family. Another trend is to add honours and even managerial statistics from when he was an assistant. The accounts also add this Ayestarán-related information to clubs where he worked at: of course the appointment of this assistant was a major event in 130 years of Liverpool FC [7].

I highly doubt that anyone is doing this due to a fandom for Ayesterán, but more likely to get him another payday as a head coach in the Middle East or Mexico. Is it possible for an admin to protect this page from sockpuppetry? It's probably worth going over anything added in the last two years and editing accordingly. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:18, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Giant Snowman 19:52, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stheven Robles

The Stheven Robles has major issues and I would like editors to help clean this up Joeykai (talk) 23:43, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Leslie

The first three citations are certificates, birth, marriage and death. I've not seen that kind of citations, use before, is it allowed? Govvy (talk) 10:34, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, still seemed odd to me, but nobody here has offered up any policy either. Govvy (talk) 10:43, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a look Wikipedia:Don't cite Wikipedia on Wikipedia on the second paragraph, the decision is citing Commons is not allowed, just like all language Wikipedia versions. Best to remove those citations per those guidelines. Those were added by a user who hasn't edited for 21 months.

As well as that problem, the writing on these certificates aren't seen as clearly as black text used on every Wikipedia page unless I zoomed in on these photos. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 11:30, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

k, I've removed them, wasn't sure of those images needed to be deleted from wiki-commons or not either. Govvy (talk) 19:55, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a general consensus on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard against using Birth Certificates as references anyway. If we were to, then you'd need to reference the public records office directly, not a photo of the certificate on a website, whether that be a wiki or otherwise. Spike 'em (talk) 21:03, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLPPRIMARY applies for living people, and WP:RSPRIMARY more generally (i.e. don't delve into national archives to find marriage certificates etc. yourself). Giant Snowman 21:34, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Leslie should be pretty dead by now! :/ Govvy (talk) 10:12, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Ramonpintor1

Have no idea if this a sock of User:Panenkazo, but the M.O. is, unfortunately, the same. Intros re-written to accommodate the separatist agenda (i.e. Josep Maria Fusté). Really concerning!

Attentively, you have been briefed. RevampedEditor (talk) 14:36, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. This user did a one-off edit about a Chinese traveller from the 16th century on his user page in 2011, and then returned 14 years later to edit-war Catalan nationality into articles. From the interactions I had with Panenkazo and his socks, I never got the impression I was talking with a history fan (he once made the argument that Catalonia was a one-off compared to Bavaria or Brittany, as neither had been independent of had its own language; both empirically false). With the greatest of respect to him, I didn't get the feeling I was interacting with someone old enough to have been writing on Wikipedia 14 years ago either. Panenkazo also regularly used talk pages, edit summaries and this page, in order to WP:BLUDGEON his arguments, often in substandard English. The truth is that Catalan nationalism is not a niche, they even have their own Wikipedia in which Catalonia and not Spain hosted the 1992 Olympics and Carles Puigdemont is president of a "government in exile". In any case this user is a single-purpose account who has been warned by an admin who edits outside of football to stop this behaviour. Repeated multiple edits after being warned should result in a block. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:39, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SPI if you think it is a sock but WP:DUCK doesn't apply. Giant Snowman 21:31, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Default headers for association football tournament pages

Hi all, I've noticed that all the hundreds, if not thousands of tournament pages seen on List of association football competitions use different names for headers. It's mainly about 3 ones. For example, what do you call this table:

Rank	Team	Part	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts
1	India¹	14	62	39	15	8	108	38	+70	132
2	Maldives	12	50	25	11	14	98	52	+46	86
3	Bangladesh	13	46	18	12	16	52	47	+5	66

It's called "Overall team records" on most pages but I've seen people use "Summary" or "All-time table" too. It's a points system so maybe something like "All-time points records" or something would be better?

Nation	Champions	Runners-up	Third-place	Fourth-place	Semi-finalists
India	9 (1993, 1997, 1999, 2005, 2009,^[a] 2011, 2015, 2021, 2023)	4 (1995, 2008, 2013, 2018)	1 (2003)	–	–
Maldives	2 (2008, 2018)	3 (1997, 2003, 2009)	2 (1999, 2021)	–	4 (2005, 2011, 2013, 2015)
Bangladesh	1 (2003)	2 (1999, 2005)	1 (1995)	1 (2021)	3 (1995, 2009, 2023)
Afghanistan*	1 (2013)	2 (2011, 2015)	–	–	–
Sri Lanka	1 (1995)	1 (1993)	–	1 (1997)	3 (2008, 2009, 2015)
Nepal	–	1 (2021)	1 (1993)	2 (1995, 1999)	3 (2011, 2013, 2018)
Kuwait³	–	1 (2023)	–

^This one is usually called "Teams reaching the top four" but what's the default name? And lastly:

Team	1993	1995	1997	1999	2003	2005	2008	2009	2011	2013	2015	2018	2021	2023	2025	Total
Bangladesh	×	SF	GS	2nd	1st	2nd	GS	SF	GS	GS	GS	GS	GS	SF	Q	13
Bhutan	Not part of SAFF				GS	GS	SF	GS	GS	GS	GS	GS	×	GS	Q	9
India²	1st	2nd	1st	1st	3rd	1st	2nd	1st	1st	2nd	1st	2nd	1st	1st	Q	14
Maldives	×	×	2nd	3rd	2nd	SF	1st	2nd	SF	SF	SF	1st	GS	GS	Q	12
Nepal	3rd	SF	GS	4th	GS	GS	GS	GS	SF	SF	GS	SF	2nd	GS	Q	14
Pakistan	4th	GS	3rd	GS	4th	SF	GS	GS	GS	GS	×	SF	DQ	GS	Q	12
Sri Lanka	2nd	1st	4th	GS	GS	GS	SF	SF	GS	GS	SF	GS	GS	DQ	Q	13
Former team(s)
Afghanistan³	Not part of SAFF				GS	GS	GS	GS	2nd	1st	2nd	Part of CAFA				7
Guest teams
Kuwait⁴	×													2nd	×	1
Lebanon⁴	×													SF	×	1

^This one is usually called "Comprehensive team results by tournament", is it the correct name?

For examples, please see National team appearances in the FIFA World Cup, Africa Cup of Nations and SAFF Championship.

Consensus about these should be reached to avoid future conflicts, because one person might use this and another one uses that and in my opinion it doesn't look very professional if it's all different but mostly, it's easier for everyone if we just stick with defaults. Now pages are constantly being changed because there's no consensus and everyone changes it to what he likes. There's also the Debut of teams and Medal table sections. In what order should these all be put? Personally I think it's the best in the way done on UEFA Women's Championship records and statistics. Can there please be reached default settings for this? PeruvianCocaine (talk) 14:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ India was represented by the India U-23 team.

PeruvianCocaine (talk) 14:13, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's also the "Results" section, which shows general information (year, host, top 4 teams) and is a good way to begin the article with. As shown on SAFF Championship, UEFA Women's Championship and UEFA Futsal Championship.

I think the best way to present these pages is as follows:
1. Results
2. Debut of teams
3. All-time points table
4. Medal table
5. Comprehensive team results by tournament
6. All-time top goalscorers
7. Awards

If it's not a statistics page but a general page it should start with the "History" section. Everything else should be removed otherwise it looks cluttered and makes the page too long. There's a lot of duplicate info now too. Information like Droughts, most red cards, player with most tournament appearances, should all be removed. After all Wikipedia is a encyclopedia, not a football fan website. Please let me know what you think. PeruvianCocaine (talk) 09:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that we should create a default for these pages. Your proposal looks good, there is just 1 thing I would change: I think we should keep stats like most tournament appearances, and combine them into something like ‘Individual Records’, together with all-time goalscorer, most titles, et cetera. Except for that, I think we can agree on this and implement it as soon as possible, when we have gotten some more input. Tiesch1 (talk) 12:03, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Tiesch1, thanks for replying. I'm glad you agree with most of it. Well, the appearances are also visible in the All-time points table (first one in column, "participations") and most titles is already in the Medal table. But we'll see. PeruvianCocaine (talk) 13:53, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We have Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Competitions. Giant Snowman 13:55, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Need help with map

Hello everyone,

I am working on this map for the voting results of the 2027 FIFA Women's World Cup. However, it has been quite difficult since I decided to update the map to show that three countries have voted for neither instead of abstain and as such fix the map.

I want to use the standard FIFA Map template provided on the site, but I can't use Inkscape since it is not a svg. I have the voting results and would like to copy the format used in the 2026 FIFA World Cup bid voting map. Can someone help in explaining how to use this properly?

Voting results: Link HalfOfAnOrange (talk) 21:19, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Al Hilal SFC#Requested move 27 June 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Al Hilal SFC#Requested move 27 June 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 11:25, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Provincial team

I have noticed that in Vietnam, there are not only national teams but also provincial teams, which compete in the provincial tournament.[1] [2] If a player played for a provincial team, should we put it in their infobox or career? KhoaNguyen1 (talk) 01:54, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would say no. National team section is against other countries. Provincial teams play against other provinces in the same country in guessing? RedPatch (talk) 02:55, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unused team navigation templates

The following team navigation templates are unused. If they should be added to articles, please add them, if they should be deleted, please send them to WP:TFD. Clearing up unused templates help find issues with articles (such as vandalism). Thanks!

Gonnym (talk) 08:40, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please check these also:

Gonnym (talk) 08:52, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's a really weird way to show the Best XI of the JPFA (per position). There are already {{2022 JPFA Best XI}}, {{2023 JPFA Best XI}}, {{2024 JPFA Best XI}} which show them per year as is usual. Therefore these ones by position should be sent to WP:TFD. --SuperJew (talk) 09:24, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] India was represented by the India U-23 team.

[a]