Talk:Gaza Humanitarian Foundation

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 May 2025

There is a lot to add to this, many details have emerged Chcoo8 (talk) 14:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 16:53, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

Can someone add info about how the GHF would collect and use biometrics to vet who gets aid. The Washington Post article that is already cited makes some mention of this. Lord Arugula (talk) 03:53, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

52,700 Killed By Israel is inaccurate

This Wikipedia Page quotes the number 52,700 killed by Israel from a Reuters article.

The actual quote is 52,700 have died since the war started.

We know that many Palestinian rockets have misfired and landed inside Gaza, so saying that every single death in Gaza was "by Israel" is disinformation, and an inaccurate quote of the cited article.

If you're going to use this number, it is incorrect to append "by Israel" in the Wiki page. It's not what the article says and it's also just simply wrong since we know that Israel has not killed every single person that's died in the Gaza Strip since October 7. Zholmes73 (talk) 11:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi Zholmes73 . The sentence is now: "Since the start of the war, over 52,700 Palestinians have been killed, according to Gaza health authorities." which is what the source says. The source does not say "died". Friendly, Lova Falk (talk) 15:28, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. I believe it would be pertinent to look into who made that addition to the quote when writing the Wikipedia article, as they may potentially have a propagandistic intent. Zholmes73 (talk) 17:57, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that could be so. Or, a clumsy way of paraphrasing. Or just a simple misunderstanding, that killed in Gaza is the same as killed by Israel. Lova Falk (talk) 05:41, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Add the results of the distribution in the operation section

This article should mention the number of boxes/meals distributed by the foundation (14500 boxes or 840.000 meals ) since it is a fact verified. Otherwise, this article would not be neutral since it only mmention incriminating elements without balance. Aboubidou72 (talk) 09:08, 29 May 2025

 Done Friendly, Lova Falk (talk) 15:25, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Untitled

BBC did a deep dive into the GHF and found it's a Delaware registered corp with no known address. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.60.107 (talk) 03:50, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 June 2025

The text “Since the start of the war, over 52,700 Palestinians have been killed” should be changed. The claim is without context and does not have a reference.

It should read “While some have claimed that, since the start of the war, over 52,700 Palestinians have been killed, researchers have disputed the total number, based on an analysis of the Hamas-run Gaza Health Authority's own numbers . It should also be noted that, according to the IDF, half of the number were Hamas and PIJ combatants killed in action. At least another 10,000 would have been natural deaths, based on the pre-war natural mortality rate .” Sdmorris (talk) 07:55, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi Sdmorris. I added "according to Gaza health authorities" to the sentence, because that is what the source says. Your first source is not a reliable source. It is an analysis by Gabriel Epstein. In order to question these numbers, we need better sources. About your second argument, comparing natural mortality rate with numbers of people killed in Gaza without further sources, would constitute WP:original research and is not allowed. IDF in this case is not a reliable source either. I'll keep your edit request unanswered, so other editors will see it and maybe have a different opinion than I do. Friendly, Lova Falk (talk) 15:17, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Change "over 52,700 Palestinians have been killed, according to Gaza health authorities." to "over 52,700 Palestinians have been killed, according to Gaza health authorities. This number includes the deaths of Hamas and PIJ combatants and deaths by natural causes"

And, while you say that my sources are unreliable, you quote a Hamas source which has reliably lied. Sdmorris (talk) 15:54, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

The text "Since the start of the war, over 52,700 Palestinians have been killed, according to Gaza health authorities." should be removed, since you do not have a source for it and it is irrelevant to the work of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation Sdmorris (talk) 16:06, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Sdmorris, there is no point in creating three edit requests for the same thing, one is enough. Your edit request is still unanswered, so other editors can see it, and maybe decide differently than I do. Lova Falk (talk) 05:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

IN fact , I don't think non-ECP editors should be discussing their edit requests, the only right they have is to make one. Otherwise they could make one and then go ahead and post whatever they want.. Doug Weller talk 06:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Partially seconding @Lova Falk here, I don't agree with the edit, but I agree the claim might need to be changed. GalStar (talk) 19:15, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

References

Operations

There's a link to the page listing the killings at the GHF sites, but very few info on the massacres. There's too many to list them all at this point, but now the article makes it seem like there was only one incident with no casualties. This section should be heavily expanded. --Peephole (talk) 07:49, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Health ministry qualifier

@Adflatuss, the topic-level consensus on the Gaza Health Ministry is that its casualty figures do not need a qualifier. You can see this demonstrated at the Gaza war article and read more at the most recent RFC (that I'm aware of) on the matter.

You should self-revert your edit as on top of ignoring consensus, you are in violation of WP:1RR. There are also a number of other aspects in your revert unrelated to this topic. If you want to continue to pursue the inclusion of a qualifier here, you should edit more narrowly to avoid reverting other parts of the article for which you have made no justification. Monk of Monk Hall (talk) 01:19, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Gaza Health Ministry has more details about how they have been deemed reliable in the past. The qualifier has been the consensus for this article and is how it is stated in the adjacent citation. Since they are the only source, it is appropriate to mention. (The New York Times is a reliable source but similarly it is mentioned.) I accidentally reverted all the edits and have restored majority of the overall edits so further discussion can continue here. 〜 Adflatuss • talk 01:41, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm not seeing anything on this talk page which would suggest there is a consensus specific to this page to include a qualifier. Moreover, like I said, much larger discussions in the topic area and the status quo on Gaza war have determined that attribution is not necessary. It's tiresome and unhelpful to re-litigate the casualty count and write convoluted, equivocating phrases on every minor article about the conflict.

You should also not confuse journalistic conventions for Wikipedia editing guidelines. We don't have to attribute something just because a source does. The point of the background section is to provide the minimum context necessary to prepare a reader for the rest of the article. I have updated it accordingly, with better sources. Monk of Monk Hall (talk) 01:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Edit request 7 June 2025

Change the background so that it follows Wikipedia policy of being neutral - the section states that there were 57,200 deaths in gaza without stating that these figures come from Hamas, a proscribed terrorist organisation. Either remove this statement completely (as it is not relevant to the article about the GHF) or provide evidence without relying completely on Hamas sources. The statement does not make it clear that the figure of 52,700 does not distinguish between civilians, terrorist combatants, deaths from misguided rockets fired from Gaza or deaths from natural causes

In the Operations section, change the disgraceful claim that hundreds of Palestinians were killed by Israeli fire as they approached the distribution center. This is completely without evidence apart from the claim from the antisemitic Al Jazeera propaganda machine. This claim needs to be balanced with the counter-claims made by the GHF and IDF that there were no deaths from Israeli gunfire. The GHF also produced video evidence of masked gunmen (likely to have been Hamas) firing at Gazan civilians as they approached a distribution centre. Once again, your article demonstrates a clear bias towards reports from terrorist sources

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2A00:23C5:F03B:A001:6CA2:756B:859C:A82C (talk) 14:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

CNN investigation confirms it was israeli military that targeted civilians https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/04/middleeast/israel-military-gaza-aid-shooting-intl-invs?cid=ios_app Lord Arugula (talk) 06:37, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: Please have a look at the advice for making edit requests, this cannot be answered in its current form. Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:23, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

New Source

If someone with editing privileges would like to supplement the responses section, this is a good five point summary from a fairly reputable source: https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2025-06/gaza-humanitarian-foundation-ghf-and-weaponization-aid Icemonstersoccer (talk) 04:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Early scholarly-ish work

https://www.ejiltalk.org/privatizing-aid-the-gaza-humanitarian-foundation-affair/ might be useful FortunateSons (talk) 09:48, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 June 2025

On June 11, 2025, Hamas killed five GHF staff and wounded multiple others in an attack on a bus en route to a food distribution centre. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/12/us-backed-gaza-humanitarian-foundation-says-5-aid-workers-killed-by-hamas JMU53211 (talk) 03:45, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm seeing at least 8 of the more than 2 dozen on the bus killed, with GHF fearing Hamas may have taken hostages. Hamas seeking to prevent aid being distributed in Gaza seems noteworthy to me! 121.45.138.60 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:47, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —Fortuna, imperatrix 11:26, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

Deaths during aid operation

Given that al Jazeera is now attributing the June 11 attack to Hamas, I think it calls into question the accuracy of the below statement. Although sourced to the Guardian, the whole statement, or at minimum, the phrase, "by Israeli forces," should be deleted. Hamas has an incentive to kill people at GHF aid stations; Israel has an incentive to keep GHF aid stations safe. What is more likely - that Hamas killed these people or Israel?

As of June 10, 2025, more than 130 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces while journeying to GHF sites or during "aid distribution."[4] Survivors of the repeated mass killings perpetrated at the distribution sites have begun to refer to the Israeli-backed operation as traps or death traps rather than aid.[5][6] JMU53211 (talk) 03:53, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi @JMU53211, as far as I understand, the Al Jazeera article says that GHF claims that Hamas attacked GHF workers, not that the previous attacks on civilians are attributed to Hamas. Can you clarify what change you intended? ^📻NuclearSpuds_🎙️ 08:02, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

The paragraph I pasted above (starting "As of June 10 ...") is sole sourced to the Guardian. Assuming "the simplest explanation is usually the correct one," this paragraph doesn't seem accurate. Hamas has an incentive to disrupt GHF and (even) Al-Jazeera acknowledges that Hamas attacked GHF. I think the paragraph should be taken down unless some independent source confirms it was Israel, and not Hamas, that caused earlier violence. JMU53211 (talk) 20:46, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Background intro sentence: Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 June 2025

Currently the introductory sentence for the background subheading is: "Since the start of the Gaza war, at least 52,700 Palestinians have been killed." This is a good sentence, but as a page with ongoing updates news will be continually released and the death toll will continue to change. Signposting to the reader what date that death toll was recorded in text is key and will help future editors when updating. For example paragraph two of the Gaza Genocide wiki page states: "A study in The Lancet estimated 64,260 deaths due to traumatic injuries by June 2024..."

Therefore I suggest the following as a new version of the sentence: "As of April 2025 the number of Palestinians killed in the Gaza war was at least 52,700." This sentence shows the month the data comes from and will allow increased ease for future editors if updated figures need to be placed here. Flarehayr (talk) 13:20, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

 Already done Szmenderowiecki (talk) 17:20, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 June 2025 (2)

The article should be edited in two ways: 1) In the operations section it should say:

GHF has increased their distribution of aid to above 2 million meals a day. On June 12, 2025, GHF handed out 2.6 million meals despite an attack by Hamas militants on local Palestinian GHF workers.link

2) The sentence "8 Palestinian aid workers were also killed by Hamas on June 11" should be removed from the paragraph about aid seekers killed. It should be given its own paragraph and Changed to say: On June 11, 2025, the GHF reported that a bus carrying local Palestinian GHF workers was attacked by Hamas on its way to an aid centre. At least eight GHF workers were killed and more were injured.Link

Thanks Conceptualinertia (talk) 15:31, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

 Done Added both edits ^📻NuclearSpuds_🎙️ 23:18, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 June 2025 - Total death toll clarification

Can the first sentence in the second paragraph be changed to:

Since May 27, 2025, nearly 400 Palestinians have been killed by Israel while seeking aid, including from GHF sites.

It needs to clarified that not all the massacres/killings were directly related to the GHF sites. The latest and largest killing on June 17 wasn't related. As it states in the sources, the total death toll is for all attacks on aid seekers and not just those at GHF sites.

Source on page for latest total death toll: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-tank-shelling-kills-45-people-awaiting-aid-trucks-gaza-ministry-says-2025-06-17/

This source says "The health ministry said 397 Palestinians, among those trying to get food aid, had been killed and more than 3,000 were wounded since late May" and " Israeli tanks had launched at least two shells at a crowd of thousands who had gathered on the main eastern road through Khan Younis in the hope of obtaining food from aid trucks that use the route."

As this source notes, the death toll isn't just for GHF sites and the largest attack wasn't related.

Other sources: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-gaza-aid-06-17-2025-7af5503ea7d2176674fba26d34f6ef74

The source states that "The shooting did not appear to be related to a new Israeli- and U.S.-supported aid delivery network that rolled out last month"

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74zj9kv2xjo.amp

This source says "where thousands of Palestinians had been gathering in the hope of getting flour from a World Food Programme (WFP) site, which also includes a community kitchen nearby." 102.17.118.220 (talk) 13:35, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for the fact check. I’ll see if I can find a figure for just the deaths at GHF sites since the inclusion of the current figure in the article suggests that GHF is a significant part of the number, which I’m not sure is true. ^📻NuclearSpuds_🎙️ 08:01, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Edit request 24 June 2025

Description of suggested change: Moved Jake Wood's opinions to immediately after the text describing his resignation, to improve context relevance and avoid implying the Jake Wood believes that Israel has genocidal aims.

Reworded the text describing the opinions of humanitarian groups to avoid factually asserting that Israel has genocidal aims.

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Formerly led by executive director Jake Wood until his resignation on May 25, 2025, it has the backing of the Trump administration and the Israeli government. It has been criticised by the United Nations and humanitarian groups for politicizing aid distribution, with well-established humanitarian groups saying the GHF is giving cover for Israel to pursue its aims to depopulate Palestinians from Gaza, and its former head questioning the group's impartiality and neutrality upon his resignation.

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Formerly led by executive director Jake Wood until his resignation on May 25, 2025, citing a lack of impartiality. It has the backing of the Trump administration and the Israeli government. It has been criticised by the United Nations and humanitarian groups for politicizing aid distribution, with well-established humanitarian groups saying the GHF is giving cover for Israel to depopulate Palestinians from Gaza.

94.44.226.83 (talk) 10:54, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: this is neither an uncontroversial improvement, nor one that is already supported by consensus. Please read WP:EDITXY. M.Bitton (talk) 13:13, 24 June 2025 (UTC)