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Aftermath section in Stanley Cup Finals articles

The 2000 Stanley Cup Finals § Aftermath section is essentially a lengthy accounting of playoff appearances in following years. As I discussed in 2019, I think such sections should, as a general rule, be limited to events in the immediately following post-season that can be traced directly as a consequence of the Finals. Along those lines, I think a heading such as "Post-season" may be preferable. What does everyone think about removing the section as it stands from the 2000 article, and about the scope of such sections in general? isaacl (talk) 15:55, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

It is unnecessary WP:FANCRUFT and WP:TRIVIA. Flibirigit (talk) 16:00, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

+1 to this above. It should be deleted. Conyo14 (talk) 16:26, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Agreed, it simply doesn't belong there, and it's unreferenced to boot. PKT(alk) 18:32, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Also agree that such sections should be removed. – sbaio 19:49, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

These are very common on individual sports championship articles, and usually make an WP:OR connection as being the "aftermath" of said championship, being particularly dubious if unsourced. As for the scope of such sections in general, it should be limited to content cited to reliable sources that directly indicate the events as being the aftermath of the championship. Left guide (talk) 22:16, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I am familiar with this usage, and have opened multiple conversations about it before for hockey and baseball. Honestly I don't think most people creating these sections are trying to make a connection; they're just listing future playoff results for the teams in question, indefinitely. (I feel this is best covered within accounts of the team history.) Usually only a small number of people weigh in and so it's hard to consider the discussion to have achieved a consensus. I'm glad to see a bit more interest this time, and it would be nice to have more people express their views on scope and naming. isaacl (talk) 22:27, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

I decided to be WP:BOLD and delete them all. If someone reverts them, refer to this conversation. Conyo14 (talk) 17:01, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Atlanta Flames

Atlanta Flames has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 01:23, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

List of National Hockey League head coaching wins and point percentage leaders

Just want to notify that an editor created List of National Hockey League head coaching wins and point percentage leaders. The page should be updated accordingly so I invite editors who have time to look and improve it, because I do not have time for that. – sbaio 09:25, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Supreme Hockey League#Requested move 4 July 2025

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User adding nude photos of athletes

User @Wiki123546789 has been adding to female athletes' pages such as Hilary Knight that they have posed nude for magazines and has begun uploading these copyrighted images. Not sure what action to take. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 12:41, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Straight to WP:AIV Conyo14 (talk) 15:11, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Gross. Bearian (talk) 17:33, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Lorne Nadeau

Is this player notable? If yes, please add reliable sources. If no, please ping me. Bearian (talk) 17:33, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Proposed for deletion. Flibirigit (talk) 00:47, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Category:Stanley Cup Finals has been nominated for discussion

Category:Stanley Cup Finals has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Left guide (talk) 22:38, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Automatic qualification for Stanley Cup engraving requirement

Is the requirement play in at least half of the regular season games total, or at least half of the regular season games with just one team? In 2011, Shane Hnidy played in over half of the regular season games (70 for Minnesota and 3 for Boston), but was left off because he didn't play in at least half for Boston. In 2019, Michael Del Zotto played in 42 regular season games (23 for Vancouver, 12 for Anaheim, and 7 for St. Louis). In 2025, Nico Sturm played in 62 regular season games (47 for San Jose and 15 for Florida). Does this mean an exemption was granted for Del Zotto and Sturm? Kart2401real (talk) 00:18, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

@Kart2401real As far as I'm aware, it's half of games with the champion team. I recall Del Zotto being petitioned for. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

I thought so. I haven't found any source yet about Sturm. Should the citation needed tag about Sturm be removed or stay until a source is published? Kart2401real (talk) 04:55, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

It requires a source. Otherwise it is Original research Conyo14 (talk) 05:10, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Eligibility rules are listed at NHL records website. Engraved names can be seen at same website. NHL also posts what names were engraved as can be seen with the 2024–25 champions (there is also an explanation at the end of this article that for the last three years names were engraved in July and it was previously done in September or October). – sbaio 14:31, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

All it needs to be, is cited. Right where it says "citation needed" Conyo14 (talk) 14:43, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

I would just need to cite the "Did You Know?" page of the NHL records site? Kart2401real (talk) 18:14, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't see Sturm mentioned in the cited "Did You Know" page for that statement at 2025 Stanley Cup Final#Engraving notes. As Conyo14 alludes, we must avoid original research. Left guide (talk) 18:33, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

I could be missing something here, but in case this is helpful: a photo of the Stanley Cup showing Sturm's name engraved (if it exists) could possibly be acceptably cited with {{Cite sign}}. I think this would generally not be considered original research per WP:ORMEDIA. Wracking ^talk! 18:48, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

There is an article the NHL published with a picture showing the engraving. Sturm is included on the engraving. Kart2401real (talk) 18:51, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Got it, sorry I missed that. I agree that without a source that says Florida petitioned for it, As he did not automatically qualify, Florida successfully requested an exemption to engrave his name. is original research. Wracking ^talk! 19:03, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that source would be acceptable for citing that Sturm's name is engraved on the Cup, and it's actually mentioned in prose there, so the photo need not be solely relied upon. However, the source does not appear to discuss the Panthers petitioning for him. Left guide (talk) 20:02, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Mobile edits are hard for me sometimes. Yes the petitioning part is what needs to be cited. Everything else is covered in prose or the notes. Conyo14 (talk) 20:05, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

When I said "prose", I meant the prose in the NHL source, not the Wikipedia article. Apologies if that was unclear. Left guide (talk) 20:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

I also meant that too, so you're good. Conyo14 (talk) 20:14, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

How many seasons does a 1 year contract span

An editor over at Trevor Lewis believes he is still an active player as of today. From my analysis, I thought a one year contract spans only a full season, meaning if it was signed last summer 2024, it should have expired this summer by now. Give or take, wouldn't he have had to sign a two year contract if that's the case to make him still be active with the Kings? OakleyCK (talk) 00:18, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

So, it wouldn't be active or former if he's a free agent. It would be like "xxx player is a professional ice hockey player and a free agent." If he's in a contract with any professional team (overseas or otherwise), then it would be active. Former if he's retired. Conyo14 (talk) 01:20, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, that's what I thought. That sums it up nicely. OakleyCK (talk) 01:30, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

@Conyo14: Editor pretty much made it all up. This revert shows that this editor reverted for absolutely no reason as nowhere did it state that Lewis was under contract. – sbaio 03:19, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Forgive me for being new here. Sheesh. OakleyCK (talk) 03:40, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Please be more cautious when examining edits made by others. The edit in question did not change the text to say that the player was still an active player. isaacl (talk) 07:03, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sbaio WP:AGF. Conyo14 (talk) 04:57, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Broken NHL.com pages

I know this is a known issue, but I'm wondering if anyone has any fixes. The page I'm trying to access [1] is not archived [2][3] or cached by Google [4].

The search engine preview looks like this:

https://www.nhl.com/ice/m_news.htm?id=372053

Blackhawks take psychological testing one step further - NHL.com
The League provided a five-minute test at the 2008 NHL Scouting Combine, coordinated by Dr. Ralph Tarter of EXACT Sports, with the results made available to all 30 teams.

Thanks, Wracking ^talk! 04:14, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@Wracking: Would this source be of any relevance and benefit? It looks topically similar to the preview you provided. Left guide (talk) 04:53, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@Left guide, It definitely is helpful, thank you. Luckily the full version of that article is archived! [5] I was also able to find another source describing early psychological testing at the combine, but unfortunately still many NHL.com articles are inaccessible Wracking ^talk! 05:22, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of them 404ing every page over 8 years old. Conyo14 (talk) 21:37, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Penticton Vees (junior A)#Requested move 15 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Penticton Vees (junior A)#Requested move 15 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 05:02, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

DeTas-Yayasan Pahang

Apparently this is real, an ice hockey team in Malaysia, a country that is on the Equator. It's WP:ODD. Can somebody please add reliable sources to this article? If not, then ping me. Bearian (talk) 19:53, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

This team is a member of the Malaysia Hockey League, which states "is a top league competition for field hockey clubs in the Malaysian hockey league system." As such, I would say that it's outside the scope of this Project. Assadzadeh (talk) 20:04, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

@Bearian: That article is about a field hockey team, and this project is focused on ice hockey. Left guide (talk) 20:05, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Finding entire rosters, including scratched players, on Stanley Cup winning teams before 2006

I have been able to find the list of scratched players on Stanley Cup winning teams as early as 2006. I can't find any sources for entire rosters during the Final in earlier seasons. I've tried searching for sources, but couldn't find any. Could I find a source, or did the NHL just not publish them before the 2005–06 season? Kart2401real (talk) 18:10, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

@Kart2401real: From what I've seen, the "NHL official guide and record book" for a given year lists all of the past Stanley Cup champion team rosters (it only shows names separated by commas). Some can be borrowed and viewed for free online with an Internet Archive account. Here is the 2007 version on Internet Archive which lists all of the prior champion rosters on pages 241-248. Left guide (talk) 06:26, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

But does it include the entire roster at the time the team won the Stanley Cup, or just the players who got their names engraved? Kart2401real (talk) 18:05, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure; there's not really any explanation or note, but the section title is "Stanley Cup Winners" and the sub-section title is "Rosters and Final Series Scores". I'd strongly suggest inspecting the source for yourself to make that judgment; it should be quick and easy to create an Internet Archive account (it was for me anyway). Left guide (talk) 18:20, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

I found old news articles and discovered that Shane Willis and Brian Eklund were on the Lightning's roster during the 2004 Final. I wonder if Willis and Eklund are listed in this book. Kart2401real (talk) 18:33, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Just checked, they are not listed in this book for the 2004 Final. Left guide (talk) 18:38, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

They were on Tampa Bay's roster during the 2004 Final. I suppose this means they only include the engraved names? Kart2401real (talk) 18:52, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps, but the source doesn't explicitly say that. It simply calls them the "rosters" of "Stanley Cup winners". Left guide (talk) 18:59, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Does the article mention Mark Hartigan, Aaron Rome, Sebastien Caron and Tim Brent, who were on the Ducks roster when Anaheim won the Stanley Cup in 2007? Kart2401real (talk) 19:04, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

It doesn't document the 2007 Final since I believe it post-dated the publication. I can do one or two more spot-checks if you'd like, but if a more comprehensive review is desired, you'll need to borrow it yourself on Internet Archive or ask others for help. Left guide (talk) 19:10, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

The earliest complete Final roster I found was for the 2006 Final. Does the publication mention Keith Aucoin, David Gove, and Craig Kowalski, who were on Carolina's roster? Kart2401real (talk) 19:21, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

It does not. Left guide (talk) 19:23, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Why wouldn't the entire rosters be listed in the guidebook for some reason? Kart2401real (talk) 19:27, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

But it does list Hutchinson, Weight, Babchuk, Tverdovsky, and Vasicek. Left guide (talk) 19:29, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

But their names are engraved. Also, Vasicek, Tverdovsky, and Weight played in some, but not all games, in the 2006 Final. I want to find complete rosters, not just names engraved, of the winning teams of the Final before the 2005–06 season. I suppose the NHL didn't publish entire rosters before the 2005–06 season? Kart2401real (talk) 19:33, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

The NHL has had a website since 1995, but there's no real archive of it prior to 2004. I don't know if they would even have the rosters as we see them today. You maybe be able to use ESPN.com until about 2000. Prior to that could just be newspapers. Conyo14 (talk) 19:58, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

I looked at the book's 2017 version, and it does not include Hartigan, Rome, Caron, and Brent on the Ducks 2007 Final roster. Suffice it to say, this source as a whole probably does not contain the information you are looking for since every check you've asked for has been unsuccessful. Left guide (talk) 20:14, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

I might recommend looking at the individual games and the boxscores. They'll show who played in the games. Conyo14 (talk) 23:28, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm actually looking for all the healthy scratches, not players who played. Kart2401real (talk) 00:22, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Was thinking the same thing; sources showing a boxscore of all players who got ice time during a Cup Final seem like a dime a dozen. Left guide (talk) 00:32, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Warren Steinley stats

I'm trying to verify Warren Steinley's ice hockey career to potentially add him to a La Ronge Ice Wolves notable alumni list, but I've found conflicting information.

His Wiki article states he played for the La Ronge Ice Wolves of the Saskatchewan Junior Hockey League, a claim Steinley himself has made in interviews and in a speech to the House of Commons. He has also stated he played in Crowsnest Pass, presumably for the Crowsnest Pass Timberwolves of the Alberta Junior Hockey League.

However, I can find no independent record of this:

• He is not listed on the HockeyDB alumni pages for La Ronge or Crowsnest Pass.
• Searches for his name on the SJHL and AJHL websites return no results.

In a blog post apparently written by Steinley, he also mentions being sent to the Kamloops Blazers of the WHL.

• Contradictory Evidence: A 2000–2001 Kamloops Blazers roster does list a rookie named Warren Steinley, but the date of birth does not match the one in the biographical Wikipedia article and there are no stats.
• Inaccuracy: In the same blog post, Steinley calls his time in hockey a "two-year professional hockey career," but the SJHL, AJHL, and WHL are junior leagues, not professional.

Does anyone know of any sources that could clarify his playing history? Cheers. Buffalkill (talk) 15:36, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

• Look in newspapers.com for contemporary sources. Flibirigit (talk) 15:42, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

@Buffalkill: Hello. Firstly, please avoid taking claims in Wikipedia articles at face value and using them in arguments since Wikipedia is not a reliable source for itself; for our purposes, a contradiction only exists if there's a contradiction amongst external reliable sources. Anyone could've added anything on this site, and typos, editors' guesses, and sneaky vandalism can go unnoticed on low-traffic pages for a very long time; furthermore, the article itself has unsourced sections and has been tagged with {{BLP sources}} for over a decade so it could benefit from additional scrutiny and research. One problem is that the birthdate is not verified in the article's attached source. Lastly, a claim made by the subject about themselves can be acceptable if it abides by the provisions set forth in WP:BLPSELFPUB; independent sources aren't necessarily required for every statement. If there's a dispute or concern over the veracity, the claim can be attributed. I'll see what I can do to help fix the article. Left guide (talk) 01:13, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Notable black aces in the NHL

Black aces rarely get their names on the Stanley Cup. Would Ken Priestlay and Jeff Schultz be considered notable black aces since they got their names engraved? Ken Priestlay got his name engraved with the Penguins in 1992 because he played in enough regular season games for them. Jeff Schultz got his name engraved in 2014 because he was successfully petitioned to be included on the engraving for playing in the playoffs because half of the Kings defensemen were injured. Kart2401real (talk) 22:44, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

I'd say it depends on the WP:WEIGHT of sources; how much discussion is there in reliable sources of Priestlay and Schultz being considered black aces? Left guide (talk) 14:56, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Mass creation of USPHL team articles

Just wanted to notify this project that PensRule11385 appears to be mass creating articles for individual teams of the United States Premier Hockey League (USPHL). I don't know which/how many meet the WP:GNG for standalone articles, but will note that WP:Articles for deletion/Ventura Vikings had unanimous consensus to redirect to the league article. Left guide (talk) 06:30, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

I'll try to look through current sourcing, and redirect if I can. Conyo14 (talk) 07:44, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

I've looked at all of the ones created over the past few days and none of them pass GNG. I've boldly redirected Florida Jr. Blades to United States Premier Hockey League, but if it's undone, I think all of the ones will have to be put into AfD. Would it be placed onto one AfD nom or individually per team? Conyo14 (talk) 19:25, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Per team basis since coverage will vary by region. Flibirigit (talk) 20:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

@Conyo14: Have these decisions been made from only looking at the articles' current sourcing? Or in combination with outside searches? If the former, a possible interim step could be to tag articles with {{notability}}. WP:NEXIST is a key consideration when judging notability, especially before sending to AfD. Left guide (talk) 20:27, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

I always do my WP:BEFORE searches prior to leveling an AfD. Conyo14 (talk) 20:45, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion at WP:ANI § User:Marc87

 You are invited to join the discussion at WP:ANI § User:Marc87, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Left guide (talk) 19:03, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Add some clarity to WP:NHOCKEY?

Noticed when I was reviewing it that it mentions nothing of the NHL itself; while I've generally understood that this project considers playing NHL games to carry inherent notability for a player, it actually appears that's not written down anywhere. Should it be added to NHOCKEY? The Kip ^(contribs) 21:18, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure how enforceable a WikiProject talk page discussion is for making a change on a separate guideline page. My hunch is that this would be better raised at WT:NSPORT, with it being fine to notify this project of such. Left guide (talk) 21:35, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

As a result of the request for comments discussion held at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Sports notability in 2022, all participation-based criteria from the sports-specific notability guidelines were removed, including the participation criteria for ice hockey. isaacl (talk) 21:50, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

What should be done when official roster reports list a player as a position that the individual almost never played?

Tyler Toffoli is listed as a center on NHL roster reports, but almost never played center in his NHL career. Alex Iafallo has also sometimes been listed as a center. What should be done when this happens? Kart2401real (talk) 02:36, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

@Kart2401real: The way we treat positions on Wikipedia should reflect how reliable sources treat them. WP:VOICE policy guidance says:

The neutral point of view means…including all verifiable points of view which have sufficient due weight.

So, how prominently and commonly are the different positions mentioned in reliable sources? Left guide (talk) 03:49, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

I think most news articles refer to Toffoli and Iafallo as wingers. NHL.com and the roster reports list them as centers. Kart2401real (talk) 04:12, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Use of scfy template in prose and linking to specific NHL playoff rounds

Sbaio recently reverted these edits: [6], [7], [8]. Is there any rule regarding the scfy template in prose? Is there any sort of rule regarding linking to playoff rounds rather than the entirety of the playoffs? If not, the former is done to reduce byte storage. The latter is done to provide navigability. Conyo14 (talk) 20:52, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Regarding the first edit to the Anaheim Ducks article, the problem I see is one of context. The reverted edit had "conference quarterfinals" and "conference finals" as link text, which doesn't fully describe the link destination. That's generally not recommended for link text. Regarding the second edit, both versions suffer from unintuitive year-only link text (though the containing sentence does have context), which to me makes the link destination contrary to the principle of least astonishment. I'm not strongly opinionated about using a template to save typing (personally I wouldn't, but I appreciate some like the shortcut). The third edit mostly has more, in my view, unintuitive year-only link text. The only other change that I think is related to the topic is one where "Stanley Cup Final" is linked to the 2013 final, which I also think is unintuitive. However, although it's not something I generally check when reading these team articles, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a common practice. isaacl (talk) 21:37, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

That is very helpful. I am updating each of the team's articles to get them to GA status. So, I will keep this in mind whilst I edit. I shall restore the scfy templates, but leave everything else as is. Conyo14 (talk) 04:06, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

The scfy and similar templates are meant to be used in tables and infoboxes (this is the third time that I have to repeat it to you). Your editing area is very small (NHL only) so it is evident that you are unaware of the purpose of those templates. In addition, use of such templates in prose falls under MOS:EGG. – sbaio 12:03, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Where is the rule on that template usage? If it is meant to be used there, show it. The MOS you showed doesn't prove your case and only makes me think this conversation needs to be expanded. Conyo14 (talk) 14:08, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

The use of templates is not discussed in MOS:EGG, and template coding only visible in the edit window is something I suspect most readers don't know or care about. MOS:EGG mainly pertains to the words that appear on the screen and where the links on those words lead to; it's about reader interface and navigation. Left guide (talk) 14:19, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Tables provide additional context for their cells, which is why it can be reasonable to link to, say, a season-specific article where the link text is just the plain year range. (Personally, for greater accessiblity, I think in these situations the table should have a legend to explain the link destination.) But how that link is actually implemented, whether through a template to save typing, or a manually written link, is an editing style question, not a content one. The same applies for such links within prose. It could be argued that using the template is more obscure for new editors, and whereas that tradeoff is acceptable within tables, it's less acceptable in prose. (I would argue that the obscurity for both situations is high, but I appreciate that's probably not a generally held view.) isaacl (talk) 02:37, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Commenting only on section links (and not the templates), MOS:SL says:

If an existing article has a section specifically about a topic, linking to that section takes the reader directly to the relevant information.

Left guide (talk) 04:48, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

I would imagine, if an editor wants to read up on the very round of playoffs a team got defeated. They'd expect to be directed to that playoff round. GoodDay (talk) 14:13, 4 August 2025 (UTC)