Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 June 13

June 13

Template:Vcite journal

• Template:Vcite book (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Vcite conference (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Vcite journal (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Vcite news (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Vcite web (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The entire suite of vcite templates is used on 13 articles only.

• Economy of Manitoba
• Flag of Japan
• Geography of Manitoba
• History of Albany, New York
• History of Albany, New York (1983–present)
• History of Manitoba
• Lorne Kidd Smith
• Manitoba
• Manitoba Day
• Manitoba Emergency Services College
• Montage of a Dream Deferred
• Politics of Manitoba
• Roberto Luongo

This is an extremely heavy costly suite of templates to maintain (see e.g. recent maintenance request), and there really is no point in keeping those around save for a blind devotion to WP:CITEVAR. 13 articles is not worth it.

The recently (last year) deleted {{cite LSA}} was deemed too costly to maintain for the same reasons, and had several hundred articles that used it. It's time to kill vcite. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:22, 13 June 2025 (UTC) Pinging {{cite LSA}}'s discussion's participants:

Pinging @Neko-chan, Jonesey95, Gonnym, Warudo, Wugapodes, and Izno: as well as CS1 guru @Trappist the monk: and Citation bot (talk · contribs) maintainer @AManWithNoPlan: for their inputs. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:27, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete I'm honestly not that big of a fan of cites using Vancouver format as it is, and I don't feel that there's much of a reason to keep any unused/underused templates around, especially when there's a more popular alternative available. ~ฅ(ↀωↀ=)neko-chan^nyan 15:34, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete and replace with {{cite xxx}} using |vauthors=. This is way too much overhead for 13 articles. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:32, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

  vcite doesn't style authors as vauthors. Extremely silly, I know. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep and revert. The only reason these templates are "used on 13 articles only" is that the OP went on an undiscussed removal spree. They do what they are intended to do. If someone wants CS1, they can use CS1 templates and leave these be. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:37, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

  "undiscussed removal spree" because they caused a bunch of errors that couldn't be fixed otherwise. Which affected about a dozen articles maybe, often used inconsistantly when a majority of CS1 templates were already present e.g. [1]. "Used only on 25 articles" doesn't change anything. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:05, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

Template:Signing

• Template:Signing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Unsigned (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Signing with Template:Unsigned.
We can add a |simple=yes to {{unsigned}} to output the simple formatting, which has the added benefit of taking advantage of {{unsigned}}s new features (see Module:Unsigned).

At the same time, I question the utility of having a separate template; {{unsigned}} is supposed to be a little obnoxious so you are encouraged to sign your own posts and not create work for others!

I support redirect to Template:Unsigned as a first choice, but am alright with merge to Template:Unsigned. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect as first choice. If we do wind up merging, I don't think |simple=yes is a good parameter name for this. |sigonly=yes or |nowarn=yes maybe? Anomie⚔ 11:09, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

  I like |sigonly=yes, if that is the route we choose :) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:07, 13 June 2025 (UTC)