Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Raël/1
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- Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:13, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
This article has several maintenance tags and unreliable sources that have been unaddressed for a while, and uncited text. More fundamentally it massively overuses Rael's own writings as a source, inappropriate per WP:PRIMARY, in a way that goes beyond WP:ABOUTSELF and gives the article serious WP:NPOV issues. We cannot merely cut the content because it is being used to cite things that need to be said... with secondary sources. I don't oppose them being used for specific details/clarifications, but this is basing the narrative/structure around a primary source in a way we should not be given what sourcing is available.
I also have broadness concerns over this article's failure to cover major aspects of his person.... this is not anywhere close to covering major parts of his biography. This isn't a broad look at Rael as a person. There is barely any scholarly discussion sourced here at all, or even high quality news. There is plenty of scholarly sourcing on Rael! There is a full length book, that dissects him and we barely use it. Not to name the countless other academic books that give sigcov. The last GAR was closed as abandoned and never resolved. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:22, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Tentative delist. Picked a random paragraph (the first sentences under "Racing career") and immediately found an instance of WP:CLOP. Compare:
- Article:
In 1994, wealthy Japanese Raëlians rented a race car and showed it to Raël. They believed that if he raced it, it would generate publicity for the movement. Raël accepted the offer on the condition that the funding not come from member tithes or embassy funding. Funding for Raël's races, which took place in the 1990s and early 2000s, came mostly from well-funded European and Japanese people.
- Source material:
in 1994, some of his wealthy Japanese followers took him to a racetrack in Japan and showed him a race car they had rented for him so he could compete. They argued that his racing could garner publicity for the movement. Raél accepted their offer, but only after insisting that none of the money used to further his racing career could come from the embassy fund or members’ tithes. Thus, Raél’s racing hobby is mainly supported by donations from a few wealthy Raelians in Japan and Europe who were already involved in the racing scene.
- Article:
- The same citation, to Palmer p. 41, is used to support a claim that's not mentioned in the source:
Raël participated in the 1999 BFGoodrich Tires Trans-Am Series and the 2000 Speedvision GT Championship.
If I can find these problems with a single paragraph selected at random, I suspect there are more problems. These are on top of the significant problems already identified by @PARAKANYAA. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:58, 11 June 2025 (UTC)