Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/Characters of God of War/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

Notified: JDC808, WikiProject video games

There are visible issues in the article. The lead should be updated + there are tons of unsourced statements for this to remain on the featured list + italicize game and film titles in the citation titles per MOS:CONFORMTITLE. The reception should be expanded/rewritten and the websites should be italicized. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Before I dive in further, you said the lead should be updated. In what way? The only thing I can maybe see is the very last paragraph. --JDC808 ♫ 05:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, the last paragraph. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Here in the next couple of days, I'm going to try and sit aside some time to dig into this article and get it into shape. --JDC808 ♫ 00:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Nominator's concerns are entirely superficial and incredibly easy to fix editorially. There's nothing here that cannot be solved by one editor, as the bulk of the content meets the FL standard already. Putting editors on unnecessary time constraints because of easily fixable issues does not seem necessary when the nom could fix the issues themselves, or request the help of other editors to do so (Such as at Wikipedia:VGCHAR or Wikipedia:VG). Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 00:30, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Assume WP:Goodfaith. I don't think this is "easily fixable" where there are several unsourced statements, PlayStation Universe is not reliable and should be removed, italicize game or film titles in the citation titles per MOS:CONFORMTITLE , and possibly some of the description/plot should be trimmed down a bit. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 00:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I never said nor implied I believed bad faith, and I apologize if it came off that way. Regardless, I do believe this can be fixed rather easily, and you reiterating your exact statements from the nom do not change my mind on the fact.

-PlayStation Universe is used once. This is a simple removal and doesn't impact the article given the wealth of other sources used in the article.

-CONFORMTITLE is a factor, sure, but that's just basic legwork. An article shouldn't be sent to a demotion process when an editor can just italicize titles in a process that takes twenty minutes at most.

-Glancing over the article, I see a few spots without cites, but they seem to be in the minority of statements. Plot statements do not need citations (Though preferred), and the few missing voice actor cites can be added or removed depending on the availability of sourcing.

-If plot should be trimmed, then there's nothing stopping you or any other editor from being Wikipedia:BOLD and trimming down the content to more manageable levels. If you're uncertain on what should be cut due to unfamiliarity, that's a process that can be discussed in venues like those I mentioned above. A lengthy demotion process like this does not need to be involved in this kind of content discussion, and the plot expansion is not so vast that it is unmanageable by just one or two editors.

I would make these changes myself, but JDC seems to be on it already above. I'll leave it in their capable hands, but this task is something easily performed, and for which a venue like this is unnecessary. Articles should only be sent to reviews or removal forums if their content is so far gone that it cannot merely be resolved through simple edits. This article does not fall under that case. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 03:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Left the issues at talk page, but hasn't resolved yet; so I nomed it into here (FL has the same quality as GA, not FA). It would be more disappointing if the article was sent to featured list review, and the author possibly retired already in the future. I should have expected that it would be fairly "easy" for an editor who is very active despite the article has several unsourced statements and other stuff. I would like to apologize also if this was sent abruptly, but it doesn't need to be rushed anyway. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 03:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Talk page. Can't speak on other editors, but I rarely check Talk pages unless I'm tagged or it's an article I'm currently working on and there are disagreements with another editor that needs to be resolved. So, I personally never saw that Talk page post. Tagging me on that post (or any editor who has contributed to the article) could have possibly had the issues resolved sooner and avoided this removal nom. And there is in fact a timeline on the review, so can't put this off for long. And Pokelego999, feel free to make changes that you see necessary. It would make it a little easier on me. --JDC808 ♫ 02:26, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JDC808 do you want me to handle the CONFORMTITLE stuff? From there I can probably look over and see if anything can be trimmed, but I don't want to interfere with anything you already have planned. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pokelego999, that's fine. I don't have anything specific planned. I was basically just going to start at the top and address the concerns as I see them. --JDC808 ♫ 02:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JDC808 did some italics fixes per CONFORMTITLE. Looking at the plot, a lot of the new bloat the nom seems to be referring to seems to hail from recent releases like God of War (2018 video game) and God of War Ragnarök. I'm unfamiliar with these two, so I don't know which characters should be kept on the list or not. I will leave this in your hands, but if there's anything I can do with helping to improve the article, let me know. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 03:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done some various copy/editing and updated parts for the Norse games. Now just to locate sources for some of the voice actors that are missing citations. --JDC808 ♫ 04:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I should have pinged you in last post, but Pokelego999, if you would like to help locate missing sources for the voice actors, that would be great. I'm going to take a break for the evening and come back sometime tomorrow. --JDC808 ♫ 04:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Got caught up in some other stuff and forgot to get back to this the other day, but I believe I have taken care of all citations in regards to voice actors. I believe that addresses all the issues brought about by the nominator. --JDC808 ♫ 03:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work with the article. Since this is FLC not FA, the article looks like in a decent shape. I will choose to Keep or withdraw this nomination. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 03:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep now that it seems the initial issues have been addressed. -- Zoo Blazer 05:38, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been kept, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:09, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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