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Your submission at Articles for creation: Black Hole Universe (July 7)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Jlwoodwa was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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jlwoodwa (talk) 20:54, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

The draft has been revised to ensure neutral tone, remove vague language, and fully source all claims with peer-reviewed references. No AI-generated content was used—only grammar and formatting were improved. Theblackholeuniverse (talk) 19:53, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Jlwoodwa, thanks for reviewing the article and for your feedback. Indeed, I use ChatGPT for grammar and formatting, but not for the content. The draft has been revised to ensure neutral tone, remove vague language, and fully source all claims with peer-reviewed references. No AI-generated content was used—only grammar and formatting were improved. Theblackholeuniverse (talk) 06:36, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Questions

Hi. I find your ideas interesting. I have a few questions:

1. You describe and initial "collapsing cloud of matter". Do you see this as something like dust or gas? Perhaps as used as an approximation by Oppenheimer-Snyder (if I understand their model correctly)? Or might that cloud of matter be made up of stars, galaxies and so on?
2. How do you see such a cloud of matter forming?
3. I would speculate that, if our observable universe is inside a black hole, and so part of wider universe. That wider universe is likely to have other similar expanding black holes (I think you say something like this?). Eventually the matter in these black holes would spread out and the density reduce to levels where no event horizon is generated. The matter from several of these former black holes would eventually meet up, to form new collapsing regions, starting the process again.
4. I believe that, considered at a suitably large scale, this may be consistent with the perfect cosmological principle. It might seem a bit like a continuous 'bubbling' across space and time. I wonder if you have considered this or you might agree?

Hewer7 (talk) 19:03, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi User:Hewer7,

Thank you for your thoughtful questions — you’ve touched on some key aspects of the model.

The initial "cloud of matter" in the BHU scenario can be approximated as pressureless dust, similar to the Oppenheimer–Snyder model. At the early stages, the average density is extremely low — on the order of one proton per cubic meter — so pressure and temperature are negligible. What matters is that the density is just slightly higher than the surrounding background. Even tiny overdensities will grow under gravity due to gravitational instability and eventually lead to collapse.

In the simplest case of a spherically symmetric, homogeneous collapse without pressure, the total mass M remains constant, and the density increases as the radius shrinks. Once the collapsing region contracts below its gravitational radius (rs​=2GM), a black hole forms and becomes causally disconnected from the external universe.

This black hole interior can evolve independently and undergo a bounce. But such a black hole may itself be part of a larger overdense region that also collapses, potentially forming a black hole of its own. So yes — this leads naturally to a hierarchical structure, and you’re right to draw a connection with the perfect cosmological principle. The idea of "bubbling universes" or recursive collapse-and-bounce cycles could offer a broader, self-consistent cosmological framework. In this view, our observable universe is just one finite region embedded within a much larger gravitational landscape.

Thanks again for engaging!

—User:Theblackholeuniverse Theblackholeuniverse (talk) 23:36, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your detailed reply. I'm wondering whether the cloud of matter, approximated as pressureless dust, could be stars and galaxies? Good luck with your research. Hewer7 (talk) 11:14, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest! Yes, even if you start with individual particles, a sufficiently large and long-lived collapsing cloud will naturally form stars and galaxies through gravitational instability. Once formed, these bound structures still behave—on large scales and in aggregate—as pressureless dust, so the approximation remains valid throughout most of the collapse. Theblackholeuniverse (talk) 12:37, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Might the initial conditions, before any collapse starts, be stars and galaxies? That's what I envision in the Universe of Opposites model I mentioned. I can see that there could be a recursive structure of black holes within black holes, but this model has several (could be millions or more) 'black hole universes' of similar size to ours, spread across space, with the matter from them eventually meeting up at various different points to start new collapses.

Incidentally, what I believe you need to get an article on your model published on Wikipedia is for it to be critically discussed by a couple of other cosmologists in a reliable source. When I saw your theory I emailed Clara Moskowitz at Scientific American, pointing out that: "recent JSWT data suggests a large proportion of early galaxies rotate in one direction, and one possible explanation for this is that we are inside a black hole. An article looking at theories of the universe inside a black hole would be timely. As well as Smoller and Temple [Clara had covered their theory when she worked at space.com] there is also Poplowski. I've also recently come across another black hole universe theory from Enrique Gaztanaga." I was hoping she might cover the Universe of Opposites model as well. That was back in April so it looks like she hasn't picked that idea up, though maybe the email just went to spam. Hewer7 (talk) 15:18, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Black Hole Universe has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Black Hole Universe. Thanks! Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 16:58, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

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