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I variate my signature every so often, mostly in color. These are the signatures that I have used and the rough dates for the time I started and stopped using them. Yell at me if my current one is inaccessible.

Ban decision questions

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Hello, I would like your clarification for questions I have arising from your ban decision [1]. 1) Can I make edits to the militaries of other countries? 2) Where do I take my complaints if I think the other editor has violated their interaction or topic ban? 3) There is an ongoing non Chinese-military related dispute involving myself and the other editor; how can that be resolved now? 4) Can I still make changes to mainspace edits they have made and might make? If so, how? Nghtcmdr (talk) 02:09, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure how appropriate this observation is, but it appears that the other user has already violated their topic ban by making an edit [2] that is related to the Chinese military (the People's Armed Police is the law enforcement branch of China's armed forces). Can you address this issue? Nghtcmdr (talk) 09:13, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Nghtcmdr; to clarify, your topic ban is on Chinese military, broadly construed. The wording of the topic ban as imposed confused me initially so I changed it for everyone's sake. As follows: 1) You are able to edit about other militaries around the world, however I strongly advise you to reflect on what other editors have told you about your conduct. 2) If you want to appeal your sanctions, you must use WP:AN as it was community placed per WP:UNBAN. If you think there is an interaction ban violation, you can report it to AN, or my talk page as I was the sanctioning admin. You cannot talk about topic ban violations from an editor you are ibanned with; it is no longer your concern. 3) Others will have to resolve it, as again, you cannot edit the topic area and you also can't talk to each other. With your second message; this has been addressed by another user. If you keep commenting about the user you are interaction banned with, even without mentioning them by name, you will be subject to escalating blocks.
As for 4); I don't know how to answer this, in all honesty. @Tamzin, I know you do a lot with community and AE sanction enforcement, do you have a better way of explaining this? Sennecaster (Chat) 00:01, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On (4), the IBAN does not prevent Nghtcmdr from editing the same page as THI, but it does prevent them from undoing or modifying any of THI's edits. The line can be a bit blurry there, so it's often best to completely avoid pages that the other editor has edited, leaving oneself a buffer zone. One way I sometimes put that to people is "Think of it as a safety valve, not a loophole". In general, the best thing you can do after receiving a sanction is edit about things as far as possible from what you were doing before. If you're trying to find ways to continue your previous course of editing, you are setting yourself up for failure.
There's lots of articles. And lots of things that should be articles but aren't. And lots of things that need fixing. There's always something to do that isn't flirting with TBAN or IBAN violations. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 02:04, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sennecaster Thanks for your response. I still have questions, however, for your sake, these will be the last ones I ask. 1) If I want to report a suspected ban violation through the administrator's noticeboard, should I use the main or incidents one? 2) Concerning the dispute, can you clarify what you meant when you said other users will have to resolve it? Unless you have a different interpretation, as I said, the topic area is about law enforcement, not the Chinese military and if I ask a third editor to arbitrate, wouldn't that be a way I can get involved and help end the dispute without violating the conditions of my interaction ban? 3) Can you address their most recent edits related to the Chinese Coast Guard? [3], [4] (the agency is the maritime branch of the People's Armed Police) 4) Assuming you found their coast guard edits had violated their ban conditions, can you revert them along with their edit involving the People's Armed Police? Although I understand your previous comment about how the other user's topic ban violations should be an area of concern that I should no longer pay attention to, I feel I must still discuss them one last time given my perception of the risks, dangers and costs of not doing so. Nghtcmdr (talk) 09:15, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) @Nghtcmdr, the answers to all four of your questions are, simply, "this is no longer any of your business and you need to drop it". Sorry. You've been both tbanned and ibanned. It's over. Leave it. -- asilvering (talk) 20:04, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Asilvering as I said, this discussion will be the last time where I ask questions related to the other user's topic ban violation conditions. @Sennecaster I appreciate how cordial you have been to me in our conversation so far. I'm hoping that you will cut me some slack and answer my questions with that same spirit of hospitality one final time. Nghtcmdr (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You should use the main noticeboard. As for everything else, because the dispute involves you and the person you are IBANned with, you both must drop this topic or you will be blocked. Asilvering is 100% correct here. As for 3) I have addressed it. It is no longer your concern to report TBAN violations from he other user to me; if you continue to do so I or another admin will block you for IBAN violations immediately. You may not discuss the other user to me or anyone else until a successful appeal is made, and I do not think you have a snowball's chance in hell of that happening in the next six months. Sennecaster (Chat) 22:21, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sanctions

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@Sennecaster I received a Wikipedia notification that a draft article I wrote was approved for publication [5] and when I went to see it, I saw that the user in question changed, only 13 minutes after the article was created, the edits I made for it by modifying the way I structured its content. [6] Given the totality of the circumstances, I ask that either you revert the edit or you allow me to revert it and must now request that you impose terminal sanctions on the other user for 1) violating their interaction ban conditions 2) continuing to follow my edits. Nghtcmdr (talk) 01:59, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Nghtcmdr: I don't see an IBAN violation there. Editing a page to which you're the sole contributor is definitely cutting it close, but when it's just a DAB and entries can be added without interacting with the rest of the page, I see that as complying with generally allowed to edit the same pages or discussions so long as they avoid each other, albeit just barely. On the other hand, though, this is a clear TBAN violation by Isaac, since Senne had already warned him that the PAP is in-scope. But on the third hand, you creating a DAB page that omits two pages, one of which he created, and then reporting Isaac here right after he made an (otherwise constructive) edit to it, sure does seem like WP:GAMING. Should I just block both of you? Should we take this back to AN/I and get it converted to the kind of IBAN where you can't even edit the same page? Or can you both step back? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 06:40, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Tamzin they did interact with the rest of the page as they made changes to the list which was the piece of information that comprised the entire article. The omission wasn't intentional as the articles that they added did not show up on my manual search results, but even if it did I would not have been able to add the entry they created since it is covered by my topic ban. I've already "stepped back" long ago, but it's obvious that they still haven't as evidenced by how little time it took for them to put their preferred material into my article after it got published and how long it took for me to be aware of and report their ban violations (over 10 hours). Nghtcmdr (talk) 07:31, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nghtcmdr: So, I've thought about it, and potential baiting aside, they still made a clear TBAN violation after a warning. I'm going to block them for 72 hours. As to you: Drop it. Walk away. Do something else. Like I said, Isaac was just barely on the right side of their IBAN. And you're just barely on the right side of yours. Please put some serious distance between yourself and anything that could be considered an IBAN/TBAN violation. For instance, maybe edit about something that has nothing to do with the military, police, or China. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 07:46, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Tamzin I have already walked away, the problem is they have still been following me. Nghtcmdr (talk) 08:15, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nghtcmdr, you have not walked away. All of your recent edits are to Chinese ships and fire rescue. I can read that as a different topic than "Chinese vehicles" and "Chinese miltech" but it's very uncomfortably close. -- asilvering (talk) 18:13, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sanctions

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@Sennecaster I received a Wikipedia notification that changes were made to a lightly-trafficked, unreviewed article for which I was the creator and basically the sole contributor. When I went to see what they consisted of, I saw that the user who has been banned from interacting with me had improperly added page-wide templates to it. [7] Another administrator had already told the user for a previous, circumstantially similar edit they had made to be more careful in their future interactions with me as the administrator said it had almost violated their interaction ban conditions [8]. However, the user's latest edit has shown they have yet to receive that message. Given the totality of the circumstances, I ask that either you revert their changes or you allow me to do so and once again request that you impose sanctions on the other user for 1) violating their interaction ban conditions 2) continuing to follow my edits. Nghtcmdr (talk) 11:55, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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