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John M. Valadez

Thank you for helping copy edit the John M. Valadez article; the backlog of articles needing copy-editing is large, and in my haste I hadn't checked the article history to see you'd already done the work. Feel free to join the Guild of Copy Editors, if it's the sort of thing you enjoy doing, we could do with all the help we can get! — Jon (talk) 22:36, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to, just hope I am doing it right! I am an instructor and a student published this before I gave all my feedback and the "okay" to do so. I made the edits myself (our class is over), hoping a future student can take over making more edits. Nfs14 (talk) 22:49, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

May 2025

Hi Nfs14! I noticed that you recently made an edit at Lionel Cruet and marked it as "minor", but it may not have been. "Minor edit" has a specific definition on Wikipedia: it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Specifically this diff, removing references or citations should not be marked as minor. Thank you. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 20:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, thanks! I am an instructor and a student published this before I gave all my feedback and the "okay" to do so. There were major issues with the writing and citations, and I may have clicked that button when I should not have, as I do understand this definition. The student has been asked (offline) to update their edits and I was trying to leave them space and direction to do so by noting that the citation is needed. Nfs14 (talk) 20:19, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Nfs14, please read WP:SHAREDACCOUNT, thank you. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 20:21, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nfs14, sorry, but you have to stop this: you cannot have a shared account. Your students can make their own accounts, for free. It would be helpful if you gave some details on your user page of what you're doing and which accounts are involved. Sharing accounts is blockable, I'm afraid. Drmies (talk) 20:26, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you are working with WikiEd--good. User:Brianda (Wiki Ed) will tell you the same thing: please don't make edits for someone else. Drmies (talk) 20:28, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I hear you. I am not sharing any accounts (as in accessing their accounts) and I am not making edits for them. I am making edits as myself in my own account. But I hear you -- will do. I hope you can understand that I don't want the work of my students to impact readers if I could fix the edits myself (not in their account, but as a Wikipedia user myself). Nfs14 (talk) 20:30, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps there was some kind of misunderstanding here? Instructor oversight over student contributions is normal. It's good practice and helpful since students are mostly first time editors. I didn't see @Nfs14 state they were editing for students, rather they were tagging the article and editing where needed with their own account. Participants in our program know each person (instructor & student) has their own account and are responsible for their own edits. Brianda (Wiki Ed) (talk) 22:31, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The reply to my message about minor edits is certainly a bit confusing.

The Nfs14 account made a non-minor edit so I left the above message, then Nfs14 replied to that message with "I am an instructor and a student published this before I gave all my feedback", which implies both a student made that non-minor edit and now that an instructor is replying all from the same account. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 23:08, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again.

Thanks @Brianda (Wiki Ed) for helping me explain what I am doing. Brianda trained us well -- no, I am not using a student's account as I do not have access to anyone's account other than my own, and I would not do that as it would negatively impact the learning objectives of a college course. A student user prepared his work in his own sandbox then published it, piece by piece, on the existing page himself, using his own user account. In the process of grading his work (off of Wikipedia), I saw the student had writing issues (grammatically incorrect, in duplicate and used a source that does not pass reliability standards, and also had links that led to a newspaper main page, not to the article he was trying to cite); he was given feedback about how to revise his work). I then realized he had already published the edits. I don't want edits that were produced in the context of my course to negatively impact any readers on Wikipedia, so I made those edits to the existing public page, like any other user can do (using my own account). Part of the learning in this course is that writing for the public and in professional settings often means your work is edited by others. Our semester is over now. Nfs14 (talk) 23:24, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Right, no further issues, just explaining where the confusion arose from. Thank you and your students for contributing! fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 23:31, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

) got it! thanks! Nfs14 (talk) 23:31, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

) Nfs14 (talk) 23:33, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I am trying to leave a :) smiling face, lol, and the : is not coming up Nfs14 (talk) 23:33, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

:)

<nowiki>:)</nowiki> or <nowiki />:)

The colon character at the start of a line controls how indented the line is, more colons = more indented. So it needs to be escaped using nowiki, more info at WP:NOWIKI. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 23:44, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

hero! Nfs14 (talk) 01:27, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]