User talk:Kelpongames

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Happy editing! —Bagumba (talk) 09:20, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Basketball infobox

Hi there. Template:Infobox basketball biography usually follows the following formats:

Ending "High School" is dropped from the displayed high school name
Years not shown for high school
"College" follows the corresponding school basketball page, e.g. Duke Blue Devils men's basketball would show "Duke", not "Duke University"

If you have any questions, feel free to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association. Thanks, and welcome again. —Bagumba (talk) 09:25, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is your second notice on this. Please stop removing consensus formatting on basketball articles. If you want to try to get a new wp:consensus created, you can got to WT:NBA or WT:BASKETBALL and start a discussion Rikster2 (talk) 19:51, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you are still continuing with similar edits. Can you at least acknowledge that you see these messages? Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 02:15, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You sometimes display the years in both high school and college technically Kelpongames (talk) 16:47, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Basketball edits

It is time to stop these edits now. You have received several messages about consensus for basketball articles at this point with no response for you. I don’t want to bring a new editor to WP:ANI over a misunderstanding, but that’s what I will do if this doesn’t stop or we at least can have a conversation about it. For now I am just reverting the edits. Rikster2 (talk) 17:17, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You see there is some misspecification in your encyclopedic format that I had to adjust hence some lack of precision in some of your details provided because for example if you say college, logically you would say Duke University because there could be many other Dukes apart from North Carolina also I added the years just for extra information but you should include the position in the About section rather than simply saying is an ‘’American basketball player’’ because they’re more curious on their role rather than their profession. Kelpongames (talk) 05:01, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kelpongames. Thanks for the input. Wikipedia operates on consensus, and there's no ownership, so it's not my encyclopedia, your's, Riksker2's, or anyone else's. You're free to establish a new consensus by starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association. In the meantime, can you pause with those specific style changes? Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 05:14, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At the end of the day I’m contributing to the encyclopedia, hence I’m making it more clear or going more into details which you cannot blame me after the lack of detail you call that a page. Kelpongames (talk) 05:27, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits are contested. They could be "right", but it's now your responsibility to pause the contested edits, and establish consensus for them. The WP:DISCUSSCONSENSUS policy says:

When agreement cannot be reached through editing alone, the consensus-forming process becomes more explicit: editors open a section on the associated talk page and try to work out the dispute through discussion ...

Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 05:34, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

but you should include the position in the About section: WP:SDCONTENT advises short descriptions:

Instead, concentrate on the purpose of the short description: to complement the title with additional useful information in such a way that a user who sees the two together can easily tell what the article is about and distinguish it from other similarly-titled ones.

In most cases, the player's position is not relevant, and "player" is concise enough. —Bagumba (talk) 06:08, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

June 2025

Please stop your disruptive editing.

If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Tony Bradley (basketball), you may be blocked from editing. —Bagumba (talk) 09:17, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At the end of the day I’m not changing what’s written rather how it’s written to structured. Kelpongames (talk) 15:14, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Although thank you for at least not fully changing it maybe just restructuring certain aspects. Kelpongames (talk) 15:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is a consensus established for how information appears in the infobox. It is meant to keep it concise. That consensus should be followed unless new consensus is formed to change it. That’s how Wikipedia works. Rikster2 (talk) 17:17, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That consensus wasn’t as consistently mentioned as it should have then. Kelpongames (talk) 23:36, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You created an account three days ago and have 60+ total edits. There is no chance you looked up on WT:NBA or WT:CBBALL what existing formatting consensus was, nor knew where to even look for it. That excuse that nobody told you isn't credible. You're being told now because you came in making formatting changes that would impact thousands of articles and that would be undoing hundreds of editors' decades-long work to standardize. Wikipedia is collaborative, not unilateral. SportsGuy789 (talk) 15:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These are small edits it’s not gonna impact much of what you looked for to even create the page. Kelpongames (talk) 16:46, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's not your decision as to what's going to "impact" an article. That's a collaborative decision by the most impacted WikiProjects of the article itself. Another website-wide goal of Wikipedia is consistency among like-articles. You personally thinking a dozen or two articles with completely different formatting than the other thousands of similar topics (e.g. basketball player biographies) isn't going to be impactful, but you're incorrect. Please lean into the ideas of collaboration and consensus. I and many others have been registered editors since the mid-2000s. We've spent countless hours (collectively, probably 100,000+) working on these things from the ground up, when Wikipedia was more of a wild west than it is today. I can tell you that editors who have not lasted long here are the ones who come in trying to do it "their way" without ever attempting to participate in the community and consensus of this website. I, and many other basketball project regulars, disagree with you that those edits are non-impactful. Now that there's a dispute, the onus goes to the editor wanting to change the status quo to engage in that WikiProject's talk page to raise a conversation to change consensus. You have done no such thing. SportsGuy789 (talk) 18:35, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Out of curiousity why do you lock more popular players like Stephen Curry but for some reason you allow free edits to less known players like Tre Jones? Kelpongames (talk) 00:03, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’m sure the readers care less about what’s written or how the page is written or what’s even inside, the whole point of an encyclopedia page is just to inform about a topic with basic information, to which I did not change much. Kelpongames (talk) 00:07, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Kelpongames,

This is not an issue of whether your view is right or someone's view is wrong, this is about "consensus on style". After probably years of arguing about these matters, a standard has been agreed upon and other, more experienced editors are trying to teach you about this standard if you want to continue to edit here. It's gotten to the point where there is a discussion about your editing on WP:ANI which is where discussions about problem editors are discussed. You have a choice to make, you can adopt the standard format that is agreed upon on Wikipedia or you can continue to do whatever you want and in that case, you will likely be blocked from editing. I'm not going to argue about which way is correct, that's not relevant, consensus has been establish and you either have to abide by consensus or find other articles to edit. So, can you make these changes or do you want to lose your privilege to edit on the project? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:58, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at WT:NBA § Player article style changes

You are invited to join the discussion at WT:NBA § Player article style changes. Left guide (talk) 21:39, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. DaHuzyBru (talk) 01:43, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]