User talk:Johnpacklambert/Archives/2025/May

Category:Ethnic Hungarian people has been nominated for merging

Category:Ethnic Hungarian people has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:55, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Categorizing people by the political subdividion that existed when they lived

In general articles should use the accepted scholarly way to refer to a place at the time of the event described, maybe indicating what it is now but saying what it was then. Someone born in 1905 in Konigsburg was born in Germany not Russia. We do fairly well with that, but do not do so well with places not then in France in the 17th-century. We have a huge problem with saying people who died in the 17th-century are from districts ilof Englanf that were not formed until 1974. I have begun to make progress by creating categories for the People by province of France abolished in 1790, since we should not categorize people who died in 1789 or earlier by departments that did not yet exist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:53, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

Mauritania 2024 Olympics

There were two competitors at the 2024 Olympics from Mauritania. At present Wikipedia only has an article on one of them. Who was born in France, and did other competitions in France before choosing to compete for Mauritania at the olympics. Mauritania was where his parents are from. The one other competitor from Mauritania at the 2024 olympics does not have an article on Wikipedia.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:01, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

2024 Olympics

Multiple competitors for the United States at the 2024 olympics lack articles. Since olympic competitors are not default notable this is to be expected. Some have posted statements suggesting we have articles on all competitors for the United States in the olympics who were "post war", it is not clear what war is meant by that statement, but it is false. For the pre-1912 olympics for sure, and maybe even some 1912 or later, there are a large number of olympic competitors whose names are unknown. A few early competitions we do not even know the total number of people who competed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:45, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

When people say "post-war" in this context, they always mean World War II. Wikipedia is a work in progress, and while there are many articles that don't meet notability guidelines, there will always be more subjects that do meet notability guidelines (because there are an infinite amount of possible article topics in the world, while only a finite number of Wikipedia articles) that don't have articles.--Habst (talk) 15:31, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

Category:Scholars of Commedia dell'arte has been nominated for merging

Category:Scholars of Commedia dell'arte has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:14, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Category:Military leaders from the Tsardom of Russia has been nominated for renaming

Category:Military leaders from the Tsardom of Russia has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mellk (talk) 05:18, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

People by French province abolished in 1790

I created Category:People by Frwnch province aboliahed in 1790. I am now thinking it might be better to remame to Category:People by former French province, to match woth its parent Category:Former French provinces. The main thing is we want to categorize people by the area of France as France was divided when they lived. We do not want to treat people who died in 1789 or earlier as if thry were from departments that did not exist until 1790. We should also only be categorizing people by regions of France when they existed. We should not be calling people French at all who lived beyond the borders of France. So people from the Duchy of Lorraine are not French if they were dead or elsewhere before 1766, unless of course thry moved to Franve before that date, but if they did so they are depending either an immigrant to France or an expatriate in France. The sane applies to those from Nice and Savoy before I think 1860, to those from the Free County of Burgandy, Alsace, the Dauphine, Provence, Artois etc. Before those places were annexed at various times.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

Nomination of Roots of Reform Judaism for deletion

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Longhornsg (talk) 03:36, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

removing "non-bio" categories from articles about people

As far as I understand, there is no prohibition against including people in categories which are not primarily biographical. All of the discussion and advice in, e.g., Wikipedia:Categorizing articles about people, is exclusively about how to use categories which are strictly biographical: in particular, that such categories should be limited to articles about people, so that the top-level categories of biographies only contain people as articles in all sub-categories. But in the opposite direction, there is no rule that people can only be included in this type of category. And indeed, as far as I can tell it is normal and common to include people in other types of categories. As such, please stop removing people from relevant categories for this reason. (For example, you took Jeremiah Horrocks out from Category:Transit of Venus in special:diff/1292180039. As the first person who verifiably observed a transit of venus, Horrocks is clearly relevant to the category. –jacobolus (t) 17:52, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Most people do a large range of things. In general non-biographical categories are not suitable for biographies. I have made a post regarding this specific categorization on the talk page. You are free to comment more there.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:43, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

What do you mean "not suitable"? Can you cite some kind of policy stating anything like this, or an RFC with a closed discussion, or similar, or did you make it up? –jacobolus (t) 21:04, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

The Wikipedia:Categorization page says "Keep articles about people separate". This to me indicates that in general biographies should not go in non-biographical categories. I have opened a discussion on the categories talk page to see if I can get broader impact. I know I have seen other people in CfD argue that biographies do not belong in non-biographical categories. I am not sure there is a firm and clear policy on this.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:38, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

The immediately following sentence explains what this means (which does not apply here or to other categories you are, in my opinion inappropriately, removing from other pages): "Categories with a title indicating that the contents are people, should normally only contain biographical articles and lists of people". –jacobolus (t) 00:50, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Please slow down

Could you please slow down a bit on my talk page? I appreciate your thinking along, but there is only so much I can do. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

New World

This is a term that is clearly from a Euro-centric view. It was not a new world to the indigenous inhabitants. We should instead use terms such as "the Americas" or as appliacle "North America" or "South America". It is for similar reasons we say "East Asia" or other terms instead of "Far East" which is also very Eurocentric.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:12, 27 May 2025 (UTC)