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A couple CleanupWorklistBot suggestions
[edit]Hi again, continued thanks for a great tool. I'm back with a couple hopefully minor suggestions for CleanupWorklistBot:
- Where the report says "Of the nnnn articles..." at the top, this number appears to include non-articles, such as disambiguation pages and redirects. Could those be subtracted out? I'm sorry if I asked this before. At any rate, based on my own wiki database knowledge, it should be straightforward to weed out the non-articles.
- Could CS1 maint issues be included in the report? While not considered errors as such, in my experience they tend to be issues that need repair. An example category would be CS1 maint: url-status, where it even says on the category page that it "should be repaired".
Thank you for your consideration. Stefen đowers among the rest! Gab ⢠Gruntwerk 23:15, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- @StefenTower: I have added the CS1 maintenance categories. Regarding the project total article count: the bot runs on my personal VPS and does not have access to the database replica tables. It uses the external API to retrieve the project article list. The redirect status is not available in the API call that is used, sample API call. It would be to costly to retrieve the redirect status for all project articles. The disambiguation page status is not stored in a database table that I know of. I have added a note to the reports that those are included in the article count total. --Bamyers99 (talk) 01:22, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the CS1 maint categories! As for the rest, that's a bummer that the API is so limited, but if you were accessing the replica, there's two SQL approaches I know of for excluding redirects and disambigs (see my Quarry queries for examples, here and here). Cheers! Stefen đowers among the rest! Gab ⢠Gruntwerk 01:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- @StefenTower: I have subtracted Redirect class pages from the article count. I decided not to subtract Disambig class pages because they are user viewable and are more likely to have cleanup issues. Since they will be in included in the "nnnn or nn% are marked for cleanup" total, they should be in the articles grand total to keep things in balance. I reran Louisvilles cleanup list to test the change. --Bamyers99 (talk) 18:33, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Sounds good, thanks! Maybe it should say in the report it includes disambiguation pages, but that's your call. Cheers! Stefen đowers among the rest! Gab ⢠Gruntwerk 18:59, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- @StefenTower: I have subtracted Redirect class pages from the article count. I decided not to subtract Disambig class pages because they are user viewable and are more likely to have cleanup issues. Since they will be in included in the "nnnn or nn% are marked for cleanup" total, they should be in the articles grand total to keep things in balance. I reran Louisvilles cleanup list to test the change. --Bamyers99 (talk) 18:33, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Please revert this change. The addition of CS1 maint categories has suddenly overwhelmed the cleanup listing I have been tracking [1] with roughly 1200 new entries, over 15% of the total listing. These maint categories are not errors. They should not be listed as errors. We should not encourage gnomes to "fix" these non-errors. They get in the way of tracking progress on actual error cleanup. I do not want to see them and they make my experience using this cleanup list more cumbersome. âDavid Eppstein (talk) 21:15, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- They are not "errors" but they are repairable issues. You could say other issues in the report aren't errors as such as well. At any rate, I'm not sure why we can't direct editors to fix them. What is the rationale for excluding them? Stefen đowers among the rest! Gab ⢠Gruntwerk 21:20, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- False. They are not "repairable issues". In many cases they document issues that have already been repaired but that merely fall somewhat outside the mainstream usage of the templates. For instance, I frequently use
|title=nonefor citations to book reviews that do not themselves have titles, rather than creating a falsified and meaningless title like "Review". This is a normal way to use the templates. It happens to raise a CS1 maint warning, because other kinds of citations should have titles, but these ones don't. There is nothing to fix. It should not be listed in a list of things to fix. As another example, we now have many isbn date errors, flagged as CS1 errors (not maint), and many of those are errors. But some are not, when the isbn is merely an isbn for a later reprint of the same edition by the same publisher at a later date. The ones that are not errors can have the error flag removed by enclosing the isbn in (( )) double parentheses. The result of doing this is a citation with a checked isbn that is not an error, but one that raises a CS1 maint warning. It is not an error. It should not be fixed. Including them as cleanup listings clutters the listings making the real errors harder to find and harder to count and track. But beyond that, encouraging editors to "fix" it more often than not encourages them to make the citations worse rather than better, by focusing on the maint flag rather than on the accuracy of the citation itself. We should not encourage them to do that. âDavid Eppstein (talk) 21:29, 8 July 2025 (UTC)- My position is not absolutely "False", but I can see by your examples that my position is partly inapplicable. There are other examples in CS1 maint where there is a real issue to fix, such as Category:CS1 maint: url-status. Stefen đowers among the rest! Gab ⢠Gruntwerk 21:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- By the way, if this change is rolled back, I will be sanguine about it, but my intention was for WikiProjects to fly a little less blind about issues affecting their included articles. My request for the change was fully in good faith. Stefen đowers among the rest! Gab ⢠Gruntwerk 21:54, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- @David Eppstein and StefenTower: Rolled back the CS1 maintenance inclusion, kept the Redirect class exclusion from article total count. Mathematics cleanup listing has been reprocessed. --Bamyers99 (talk) 23:23, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks! âDavid Eppstein (talk) 01:27, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- @David Eppstein and StefenTower: Rolled back the CS1 maintenance inclusion, kept the Redirect class exclusion from article total count. Mathematics cleanup listing has been reprocessed. --Bamyers99 (talk) 23:23, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- False. They are not "repairable issues". In many cases they document issues that have already been repaired but that merely fall somewhat outside the mainstream usage of the templates. For instance, I frequently use
- They are not "errors" but they are repairable issues. You could say other issues in the report aren't errors as such as well. At any rate, I'm not sure why we can't direct editors to fix them. What is the rationale for excluding them? Stefen đowers among the rest! Gab ⢠Gruntwerk 21:20, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the CS1 maint categories! As for the rest, that's a bummer that the API is so limited, but if you were accessing the replica, there's two SQL approaches I know of for excluding redirects and disambigs (see my Quarry queries for examples, here and here). Cheers! Stefen đowers among the rest! Gab ⢠Gruntwerk 01:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I appreciate the inclusion of CS1 maintenance categories in the cleanup listing. I've been fixing some of the categories like "Archived copy as title" when I see them, but had no way to find all of them in my area until they were added. Would it be possible to keep them there for the Virus WikiProject? Sort of like an opt-in thing for WikiProjects that want it? Velayinosu (talk) 05:04, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Velayinosu Per the above discussion, my understanding is that even an opt-in would be frowned on. I am going to create a database report of them for a WikiProject I'm involved with in the near future, making sure to state on the report's page that the list is informational and may not always reflect an issue to be corrected. I'll let you know when it's finished so you can create a copy of it for WP Virus. Stefen đowers among the rest! Gab ⢠Gruntwerk 17:22, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Velayinosu and StefenTower: I have created some ad-hoc cleanup list generation instructions on the CleanupWorklistBot page. --Bamyers99 (talk) 20:31, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, and here is also a query that will build a list of all articles in a WikiProject that have CS1 maintenance messages. It also shows the rating and importance for each article. I generated a report from this and dropped a link to that in Velayinosu's user talk. Cheers! Stefen đowers among the rest! Gab ⢠Gruntwerk 06:29, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- @StefenTower: The
cl_tofield will be removed from thecategorylinkstable per T299951. Thecl_todata has been migrated to thelinktargettable. The newcl_target_idfield links to thelinktargettable. --Bamyers99 (talk) 13:23, 13 July 2025 (UTC)- Thanks for the info. The manual shows the new cl_target_id but doesn't show cl_to being deprecated as of yet. So, it looks like updating the queries that use it isn't yet urgent. I'll have this and some other queries to update. Stefen đowers among the rest! Gab ⢠Gruntwerk 18:41, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- I have updated the query I link above to remove cl_to references. I have tested it to ensure it returns the exact same results. Stefen đowers among the rest! Gab ⢠Gruntwerk 22:11, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- @StefenTower: The
- Thanks, and here is also a query that will build a list of all articles in a WikiProject that have CS1 maintenance messages. It also shows the rating and importance for each article. I generated a report from this and dropped a link to that in Velayinosu's user talk. Cheers! Stefen đowers among the rest! Gab ⢠Gruntwerk 06:29, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Velayinosu and StefenTower: I have created some ad-hoc cleanup list generation instructions on the CleanupWorklistBot page. --Bamyers99 (talk) 20:31, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
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