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Question from JoshWatWiki (00:36, 21 March 2025)

Hi Aaron, I'm not new to wikipedia but I am new to posting an article which is something I want to do. But I have a COI, a fairly typical one I imagine. I'm the former founder of a company that helped establish viral video marketing as a tool for advertisers. I have multiple media citations and have written a short, neutral and verifiable entry but am wondering if this connection is a non-starter for the wiki community. Any guidance is appreciated. Josh --JoshWatWiki (talk) 00:36, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Removing others' comments

Hi Aaron - I noticed that you removed TurboSuperA+'s comment at WP:Closure requests. I think this was very out of process and wanted to ask you to self-revert. The guideline you cited WP:TALKOFFTOPIC says to only delete gibberish, test edits, harmful or prohibited material (as described above), and comments or discussion clearly about the article's subject itself (as opposed to comments and discussion about the treatment of the subject in the article), none of which applied to Turbo's comment. The preceding comment was encouraging inexperienced editors to close discussions, and Turbo's comment was referring to the fact that the community is can actually be quite harsh to inexperienced editors closing discussions. No matter your opinion on the comment, it was in context of the discussion and should not have been deleted, and definitely not gibberish or a test edit. Please could you you reinstate the comment and be far more cautious when doing something like that in the future. BugGhost 🦗👻 16:27, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

I disagree that that it's not harmful, but since TPO says stop if anyone objects I've self-reverted. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:21, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. Harmful posts are described as follows: personal attacks, trolling, and vandalism, which doesn't apply. It then goes on to say This generally does not extend to messages that are merely uncivil; deletions of simple invective are controversial. Posts that may be considered disruptive in various ways are another borderline case and are usually best left as-is or archived. BugGhost 🦗👻 17:29, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Question from Pm Stey'n Media (18:58, 24 March 2025)

How do I create a citation...I know brutally Nothin' about this,I'm using this as a way to begin my media house 😂 --Pm Stey'n Media (talk) 18:58, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Hey @Pm Stey'n Media. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a web hosting service for anything else. But as for the question you asked, you may refer to Help:Introduction to referencing with VisualEditor! Aaron Liu (talk) 23:15, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

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Question from Cresce grazie a persone come te (16:13, 2 April 2025)

Hello --Cresce grazie a persone come te (talk) 16:13, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

that's not a question :( Aaron Liu (talk) 16:29, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from AMCPhoenix (03:29, 3 March 2025)

Hello there!

Well I created A NEW PAGE!

How long before it gets published? --AMCPhoenix (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Ok ALL of my sources are reliable third party good standard so that is BS.

The reviewer wants my subject to have starred in a movie TV show maybe after a Netflix and is ignoring that hundreds of published photos in big pubs IS NOTABLE.

I feel this is hostile picky unreasonable untrue I am mad angry and feel I have been subjected to unjust and unreasonable standards!!! AMCPhoenix (talk) 04:52, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi!

The reviewer wants my subject to have starred in a movie TV show

That's not what notability means. I don't see where the reviewer said anything about that. Notability on Wikipedia means we have enough information directly about the subject of an article from reliable, secondary, and independent sources. Nearly none of the information here is actually supported by their cited source by Wikipedia's standards. You can't cite usages of her photos to say "her photos have been used in various publications"; the source itself has to say that. Pure information just about where AMC's photos were used belongs more in a photographers' database such as https://pic.nypl.org/, while Wikipedia is a textual encyclopedia. If you're still confused, WP:Teahouse might explain it better as our forum for beginner Wikipedians!
(Also, I noticed your username. Do you have a ConflictOfInterest, by any chance?) Aaron Liu (talk) 14:22, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

AMC is my husband's initials.

yes I want to know more about what consists of notability thank you! AMCPhoenix (talk) 19:06, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

You can check out Wikipedia:Notability, which was linked. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:41, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

I did I read over notability and that is why I have questions.

One of the standards for notability IS significant body of work that is listed and I felt and feel my subject is well qualified under that standard.

She has been worldwide not won first place County Art five times!

So apparently I missed something crucial in the reading of it. AMCPhoenix (talk) 08:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

You actually seem somewhat combative as if you are trying to trip me up as opposed to helping me learn.

If you have some kind of issue here may I please be assigned to someone who will teach me and help me succeed? AMCPhoenix (talk) 08:36, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry for the very late response and what may have came across as combative; that is not my intention at all. The criteria for "notable body of work" is qualified and says:

such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews

which your draft does not have. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:44, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

yes subject is AAC and my husband is AMC they are similar not the same! AMCPhoenix (talk) 19:08, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Question from ArthurTheGardener (12:00, 5 April 2025)

Hi Aaron, would you mind taking a look at my newly-created page Blueeyedboy, please? It has been tagged by another editor as having too many primary sources, but I don't see any primary sources there at all; they are all from interviews and articles. What have I missed, please? Or am I misunderstanding the meaning? ArthurTheGardener (talk) 12:00, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Interviews are primary, but I don't think they dominate your article at all. I would ask @David Gerard on the article's talk page what they saw as is customary for when you wonder about something somebody says. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:43, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks: I'll do that. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 09:53, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Autowill script not working in an article

I can't get it to work in for the link I've added here: diff - Coś się kończy, coś się zaczyna. It refuses to change anything on that page. Not sure if it's because of the diacritics, formatting of this link, or some other code on that page. The script is ok-ish as also today I successfully used it in another article. Can you figure out what makes the script unhappy? Btw, it might be a good idea to have the script add an automatic edit summary, such as "fixing interlanguage links using User:Aaron Liu/AutowIll.js" or such. TIA, as always, for the nice tool. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:50, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Ey, thanks for the kind words! It looks like the culprit here is the 2017 Wikitext editor you enabled, which I'll have to work on to get AutoEd to support; I can't even get it to edit your Chang Kiha diff. In the meantime you can disable Preferences → Editing → Editor → Use the wikitext mode inside the visual editor, instead of a different wikitext editor, after which you should get an automatic edit summary. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:04, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

It looks like the reason is AutoEd needs to by chance (or more accurately, pray to the AutoEd gods that the page is small) have the 2017 editor finish loading before AutoEd does, which is why it worked sometimes for you. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:16, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Awesome fix (easy). Not sure what I actually lost since the "Use the wikitext mode inside the visual editor, instead of a different wikitext editor" doesn't come with an explanation. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:50, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

It's pretty much just a different Wikitext editor (called WikiEditor) that—among other niceties—doesn't tell the scripts they can load now until it has loaded. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:53, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. Btw, I am teaching my students regularly how to edit Wikipedia, and I also require them to use interlanguage links (a lot of them translate articles from and to English and some other, usually Asian, languages). Some have trouble using the ill template. I wonder if telling them use the ":ab:article" code and running your script would be simpler, or not... (you check User_talk:Hanyangprofessor2, CTRL+F "Template:Interlanguage link", for my current advice to them; and assignment 6 in User:Hanyangprofessor2/Module/MoS; this is all still being developed). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:01, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Standards for having an article

Regarding this comment: yes, I read the text, so there's no need to quote it. The contents of the standards align with Wikipedia content policies. But it's possible to lift out the notability guideline, and the content policies would still hold and be applicable. The community has decided, however, that not everything verifiable is suitable for an article, and so it's chosen to develop standards to select what subjects should be articles in Wikipedia. That's the reason (the forest) to have standards of selection (whose individual details are the trees). isaacl (talk) 03:29, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm guessing you meant this comment. I am saying that the community has indeed decided that not everything verifiable is suitable for an article because (as they've explicitly said) many topics can only develop into stubs when trimmed down to the verified. WhyN is not just detail for individual notability guidelines; it is the forest. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

There are reasons beyond whether or not a topic can be developed into more than a stub when deciding if an article should exist for that topic. Topics with ample reliable primary sources meet verifiability, but do not necessarily meet the standards for having an article. isaacl (talk) 17:14, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Primary means not independent and violating NeutralPoV. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:21, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

That's one of the key differences between verifiability and the standards for having an article: when appropriate, primary sources can be used for verifying content. Government-collected statistics, for example, can be deemed to be reliable for purposes of English Wikipedia, and the best source for them is from government publications. But that doesn't mean all such statistics meet the standards for having an article. isaacl (talk) 17:28, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

An article that has so little secondary verifiable sourcing to the point of failing Notability would fail NeutralPOV as well, and thus such topics don't have notability. Verifiability is not the only major content policy; WhyN is to ensure the possibility to comply with all of them. Aaron Liu (talk) 18:03, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Again, the key point is that the content policies stand on their own to ensure that articles comply with them. Standards for having an article are not needed to enforce them. They are of course written to support the content policies, which is why they read as they do, but the reason for having selection standards is because the community wants to provide guidance on what articles should be included in Wikipedia, beyond what is described by the content policies. isaacl (talk) 22:45, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, the content policies are entirely self-reliant; I do not dispute that. I am not saying that content policies depend on notability, but rather the opposite. The guidance on what articles should be excluded is exactly topics where meeting content policy standards would be impossible. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:25, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from NrmMGA5108 (16:29, 12 April 2025)

Hello mentor! So, I do have a question, its probably an easy one, but I am always leery when it comes to copyrights and images. I'm updating the town's homepage, Holdrege. And there are statues made by a famous artist in the town's public parks. Can I have a friend go take photos of those, and then add them? Since they are in a public area? Or is the artist of the statue going to care? My friend won't care, but I will list them as the photographer. --NrmMGA5108 (talk) 16:29, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Hey, that's a good question! That would be freedom of panorama, and the answer for sculptures in the United States is that they are copyrighted to the sculpture's author; see the "artworks and sculptures" section of c:Commons:Freedom of panorama/Americas#United States.

However, that only means you can't upload to the shared repository for all the Wikipedias and beyond. You can still upload such a photo locally to the English Wkipedia as long is you comply with the strict-ish WP:NonFreeContentCriteria. Go to Wikipedia:File upload wizard, and click on "Upload a non-free file", select "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use.", then carefully read and follow the text that comes up. Cheers!

(Also, I thought "leery" meant "suspicious of"?) Aaron Liu (talk) 17:28, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you. If I encounter any problems or questions when I try to load the images, I'll circle back. NrmMGA5108 (talk) 18:39, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from AFewGoodThrusts on The Dark Knight Rises (16:53, 13 April 2025)

Hello why can’t I edit something on dark knight rises page? In the scene at the football field where Gotham city plays at Steelers Pittsburgh stadium. Several Steelers players and coaches etc. however Troy Polamalu is credited for a cameo and he did not make any appearance in the scene or movie --AFewGoodThrusts (talk) 16:53, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Ey, what does it say when you tried to edit it? You should be able to, though I don't think you should unless you have a reliable source for what you're saying. Aaron Liu (talk) 18:14, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from MarkWSickles (02:50, 14 April 2025)

Hi Aaron Liu, Wondering how people get their own Wikipedia page? Thank you and kind regards, Mark Sickles --MarkWSickles (talk) 02:50, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Ey, creating an article about WP:YOURSELF is an extremely bad idea per the link in this sentence. I really doubt that you meet our criteria for inclusion. There is very little benefit for the subject when they have a Wikipedia article, and there are many possible downsides. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:57, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Senosha (00:09, 14 April 2025)

Hello. I'm new to this platform so how do i create a citaition --Senosha (talk) 00:09, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Hey! Sorry for the delay. Try Help:Introduction to referencing with VisualEditor. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Martha-Lisa Rothschild (20:17, 17 April 2025)

thank you so very much. Look forward to your mentoring. --Martha-Lisa Rothschild (talk) 20:17, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Ampurira Nelson Kabikire (ANK) (14:54, 19 April 2025)

Hello Aaron! My name is Ampurira Nelson Kabikire, I really need your help on how to create a Wikipedia page and display my information so that if people want to read about me, then the page can display automatically. For instance I need the page to capture who I am, where I hail from, place of work,what I do, education background, among others..Many thanks! --Ampurira Nelson Kabikire (ANK) (talk) 14:54, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Ey, creating an article about WP:YOURSELF is an extremely bad idea per the link in this sentence. I really doubt that you meet our criteria for inclusion. There is very little benefit for the subject when they have a Wikipedia article, and there are many possible downsides. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:11, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Nauti25 (11:00, 20 April 2025)

Hello! Thank you, I'm looking forward to working with you and polishing my wikipedia articles, namely two biography articles at the moment for both Polish and English wiki about Robert Noble, author. --Nauti25 (talk) 11:00, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from MistyFeathers (11:56, 20 April 2025)

Hello! I included a link to an informational page on a commercial manufacturer's website as a source for part of the edit i made today, and it got auto-flagged as having a depreciated source. the material seemed reliable but just in case i swapped it for the IAEA webpage on the topic. my edit still got tagged with the "depreciated source" tag; this feels silly to ask but in the general culture of editors here on wikipedia will having that kind of thing in my edit history make people view edits made by my account as less valid/more worthy of suspicion? i'm not a big forums person but i want to help and i'm anxious :< --MistyFeathers (talk) 11:56, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

my edit still got tagged with the "depreciated source" tag

That's because you used the ScienceDirect source. You can click the pop-up's link to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources and find which sources are bad there!

will having that kind of thing in my edit history make people view edits made by my account as less valid/more worthy of suspicion?

nope! Aaron Liu (talk) 12:35, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Carolyndiane61 on Lidia Bastianich (05:30, 21 April 2025)

Hello I want to send Lidia a question. I tried to sign in did it work --Carolyndiane61 (talk) 05:30, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Hey, there's a Wikipedia article on Lidia, but Lidia herself does not participate in Wikipedia. You won't be able to reach her here, or nearly any of our articles' subjects. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:33, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Yasuke/Archive 10#RfC on Infobox Image

I think you're off on your assessment of consensus given that the only policy based argument which was made was that we don't know if any of the images actually depict Yasuke (i.e., WP:PERTINENCE) which regardless of !vote numbers favours D. Please revert your close per WP:BADNAC point 1, as this is literally a contentious topic, and leave the close to an administrator. TarnishedPath^talk 02:14, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

As I plainly mention in my closing statement, [t]he heart of this matter is whether the two remaining depictions are of Yasuke, and that's the extent to which policy applies here; the entire point of contention was whether Yasuke was depicted. Some felt that sources adequately supported that he was depicted and some, like you, felt that sources did not. For option D to prevail in the manner you suggest, the idea that the images did not depict Yasuke must have been consensus, which was clearly a no-consensus.

I doubt that NAC #1 really applies here. The Arbitration case very strongly emphasized (if not outright restricting the scope to) the dispute over whether he was a Samurai in applying CT. I've seen contentious topics' debates and the debate here does not resemble that of contentious topics at all. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:23, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

In the absence of any evidence produced that either depictions are actually Yasuke, the only conclusion is that neither are and therefore per WP:PERTINENCE should not be used which favoured D as the only policy based argument. As per it being contentious or nor, YASUKE is literally a contentious topic area and so yes WP:BADNAC point 1 applies. TarnishedPath^talk 02:30, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Evidence was presented. Besides what was repeated in the survey, please read Talk:Yasuke/Archive 10#Yasuke Image, the Before discussion which was repeatedly linked to in the RfC.

I've edited my last reply here to make clear that I meant the CT applied was meant just for whether he is a samurai. There is no culture war issue or contentiousness in this discussion. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:38, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from HHSILVER (20:33, 28 April 2025)

Hi. I'm Harris. Wiki said you are my mentor. Nice to meet you. This is my first time doing this and its of historical significance and important for my city so want to get it right. It's also going to take a while to get it all in and right. --HHSILVER (talk) 20:33, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

DiscussionToolsDrafts

Got a new one: User:Polygnotus/Scripts/DiscussionToolsDrafts. Polygnotus (talk) 21:36, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

I would recommend you use the WMF styles at least for buttons: wmdoc:codex/latest/components/demos/button.html#css-only-version. Haven't tested it yet but so far looks good! Aaron Liu (talk) 00:59, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, added it to the list. Yeah I saw you use Convenient Discussions.

DiscussionTools is missing many important features (e.g. T390807). I haven't really tried CD yet. Added it to the todolist. Polygnotus (talk) 01:14, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

How do I use those icons in the codex? I see all this newfangled nonsense (Vue? Typescript?) but no simple html implementation. I was forced to use this. Do you think the WMF style is an improvement? Polygnotus (talk) 07:36, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Vilpoix49 (13:23, 29 April 2025)

Hi Aaron, I wrote my first article for Wikipedia, and after I finished it I used the 'submit' button. I have no idea what happens next. Can you, please give me some advice. My article is about a Dutch pianist and notary, Hans Oudenaarden. Thank you very much in advance, Kind regards, Vilkpoix49. --Vilpoix49 (talk) 13:23, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Hey @Vilpoix49, I don't think you clicked the submit button. Do you want me to help submit the draft for you? Aaron Liu (talk) 18:27, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Dear Aaron, Thank you very much for your answer. Yes, please, you can submit the draft for me.

Thank you so much. Please let me know if all worked out well.

Thank you so much for your help. Kind regards, Vilpoix49. Vilpoix49 (talk) 15:06, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Question from CindyRivera1 (18:21, 5 May 2025)

I was wondering if I could use this as a source, or would it fall under copyright infringement?

https://studiopotter.org/digital-issue/158 --CindyRivera1 (talk) 18:21, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Sure you can! That's a website by the actual publisher, no?

Even if you are using a copyright-infringing website to view a source, you can still cite it; just don't link to the infringing website in that case. Not every source needs a link, although links are preferred. But I don't think it's infringing in this case. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:19, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Question from Victor.audiodo (11:05, 9 May 2025)

How come it show User:Victor.Audiodo as a page title when my actual page title is Audiodo? --Victor.audiodo (talk) 11:05, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Changing the heading doesn't change the title of the page. The title of this page isn't "Question from Victor.audiodo (11:05, 9 May 2025)" either. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:15, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

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Question from Notsorack on List of Indian states and union territories by Human Development Index (11:24, 11 May 2025)

My question is that now I am an auto confirmed but not able to edit semi protected page in wikipedia web and in app I can enter but can't edit a single word why this happens 😭 --Notsorack (talk) 11:24, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Looks like you've fixed the problem! Aaron Liu (talk) 13:33, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Question from Vghanem (16:15, 12 May 2025)

How do i link pages? --Vghanem (talk) 16:15, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

Check out Help:Introduction to editing with VisualEditor/3! Aaron Liu (talk) 13:34, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Question from Bdavid1985 (13:27, 15 May 2025)

Hi Aaron, I'm a retired sustainability analyst with the Candian government. I'm generallyinterested in how sustainability and natural resource management can coexist in areas like mining, forestry and energy. Do you have any tips on how to contribute to Wikipedia? Thanks Ben --Bdavid1985 (talk) 13:27, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

I've sent you a welcome template with some pointers! Special:Homepage also suggests some tasks for a topic of your choice. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:41, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

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Question from Donn Fretz (14:14, 17 May 2025)

Hi Aaron. Do you know whether this picture is a photo or a drawing? I you don’t know, how do I verify which it is?

--Donn Fretz (talk) 14:14, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

The description of the file (click on it and then click on "More details") says it is a photo. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

How does one verify that the description is correct? Donn Fretz (talk) 18:15, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Usually it's stated in the source, but the archived version of the source in this case doesn't say anything. You can ask c:Commons:Village pump, which is filled with those avid about photography! Aaron Liu (talk) 11:30, 21 May 2025 (UTC)