Template talk:Infobox television
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Streaming
[edit]Would really like an option like when you do a Google search for a movie it shows where it is available to watch if any. But only subscription as those the rent/sell have pretty much the same anyway. 193.183.8.10 (talk) 17:13, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
- There are websites and apps that provide that service. Also, WP:NOTFORUM. - adamstom97 (talk) 17:15, 10 March 2025 (UTC)
Distributon
[edit]When was the distribution part deleted and removed? May I request the section to be restored fairly? Many of the show have home video rights. -- 184.144.90.165 (talk) 12:47, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Template_talk:Infobox_television/Archive_14#Distributor_parameter:_is_it_needed?. Gonnym (talk) 16:27, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
Starring
[edit]In the starring parameter, is it necessary to list all the cast? I think just the five main casts are enough. Listing all the cast is a waste of time. The infobox becomes very long. 125.164.24.203 (talk) 00:30, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- Determining the importance of any particular main cast over another would be WP:OR. If a member is credited as main cast, then they're main cast, and just as important as any main cast. If the list becomes too excessive, see examples like Game of Thrones or Grey's Anatomy. -- Alex_21 TALK 01:36, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
Question about image parameter
[edit]Can I use multiple images in the image parameter? I did so here using {{Multiple image}}
on the article for Weekend Today because they quite literally have two separate logos, but then someone removed it citing the template doc. I don't see anything written that says I can't or shouldn't. Limmidy (talk) 01:01, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- The template docs are not explicit, but they imply a single image. Your edit seems to be bold and in good faith, but the content discussion should be had at the article itself - at least as a starting point. ButlerBlog (talk) 02:21, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- I see. In that case, I'll leave it at that. Thank you! Limmidy (talk) 02:57, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- I would leave the Saturday logo in the infobox with the caption saying such, and the other logo for the body of the article. Single images should be used for the infobox, unless you create a custom single image with both in them (so one file name with both files). As they are both commons files, that should be no problem if you truly need both in the infobox. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:26, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
- I see. In that case, I'll leave it at that. Thank you! Limmidy (talk) 02:57, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
Rebranded networks
[edit]Is it appropriate to use two networks when a network rebranded to a different name such as CBS All Access to Paramount+ or more recently Max to HBO Max? For an example like, Star Trek: Picard using |network=
alongside |first_aired=
and |last_aired=
as for the first network CBS All Access; using |network2=
alongside |first_aired2=
and |last_aired2=
as for second network Paramount+. Another example is Our Flag Means Death it first released on HBO Max for first season and then second season was released on Max. — YoungForever(talk) 00:15, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- I absolutely believe it to be appropriate. In both of the example articles, it matches exactly what we show in the series overview table as well. How else would we differentiate between them? -- Alex_21 TALK 00:43, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- If it is appropriate, shouldn't "Rebranded networks" being included under the explanation on Template:Infobox television#Parameters specifically for
|network[2-8]=
in which it states,If the show was canceled and revived or moved to another network, use the additional parameters. See #network for additional information.
? - I am asking because some editors seemed to think it doesn't include rebranded networks because it does not explicitly says so under the explanation on the template and argued that they don't need to be differentiated because they just got rebranded, not the same as "canceled, or revived, or moved to another network". — YoungForever(talk) 00:52, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
Added -- Alex_21 TALK 00:56, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for adding it in. Now it is clear. — YoungForever(talk) 01:21, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- If it is appropriate, shouldn't "Rebranded networks" being included under the explanation on Template:Infobox television#Parameters specifically for
- I've undone the change. This needs more of a consensus than two editors and should probably be discussed at WP:TV instead. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 17:56, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- It is not a consensus between two editors. It is a standard and common practice for years. Also, this discussion is about the template, so I started the discussion in the correct place. — YoungForever(talk) 18:00, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- A discussion on the template talk page is perfectly fine if it gains enough traction, especially since it only applies to this Infobox and not the project as a whole (episode pages, season pages, character pages, etc.). That said, I believe this has been the norm for years. Cobra Kai is another example, that has listed separate networks for YouTube Premium and YouTube Red (also merely a rebrand). I see no issue with putting something that has been common practice into text for others to reference. TheDoctorWho (talk) 18:10, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- This is exactly what I thought because it doesn't applies to the project as a whole, it just applies to this template only. — YoungForever(talk) 18:17, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- I've re-done the change. I don't want to minimize @Jessintime's undo - I'm sure it was in good faith. However, separating rebrands is standard practice. It was part of the reason we put the multiple network (and air date) variables into the template in the first place. ButlerBlog (talk) 18:31, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- This is exactly what I thought because it doesn't applies to the project as a whole, it just applies to this template only. — YoungForever(talk) 18:17, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- A discussion on the template talk page is perfectly fine if it gains enough traction, especially since it only applies to this Infobox and not the project as a whole (episode pages, season pages, character pages, etc.). That said, I believe this has been the norm for years. Cobra Kai is another example, that has listed separate networks for YouTube Premium and YouTube Red (also merely a rebrand). I see no issue with putting something that has been common practice into text for others to reference. TheDoctorWho (talk) 18:10, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- I concur this is just codifying the standard practice for years, adding it here where it wasn't listed previously. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:06, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- It is not a consensus between two editors. It is a standard and common practice for years. Also, this discussion is about the template, so I started the discussion in the correct place. — YoungForever(talk) 18:00, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
Is the first network a show was released necessarily the original network
[edit]Say Incognito (TV series) was released on January 20, 2025 in ABS-CBN's Kapamilya Channel, Jeepney TV, TV5, and A2Z.
However the series has an advanced release on Netflix on January 17 or three days earlier. Do note that this is not an all-at-once release and they are just releasing episodes ahead of the traditional television broadcast.
So in this case, would Netflix be the original network and the release date on January 17 instead of January 20.
Or is it acceptable to list both Netflix and Kapamilya Channel (the main network of ABS-CBN) as the original network and a release date with footnotes? Hariboneagle927 (talk) 15:55, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- In my experience, we would generally want to list the main / home network and use notes to explain that the Netflix release was a few days earlier. - adamstom97 (talk) 16:55, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with Adam. For example, Star Trek: Prodigy season 2 was released on its home network (Netflix) on July 1. However, it had been released entirely on france.tv in March, but this doesn't make it the home network. Same for the Walking Dead series' - (if I remember correctly) the episodes are released on AMC+ online a day or two before their AMC broadcast, but AMC still remains the home network. -- Alex_21 TALK 22:34, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- What the above have said seems to be the norm. High School Musical: The Musical: The Series first premiered on ABC and Freeform four days before Disney+ (it's home "network" even launched), yet it's the only one listed in the Infobox. Note that in this case however, the episode table uses the date of the ABC/Freeform release rather than Disney+.
- I see so that the IP was right about leaving Netflix out and the notes should explain any special casesHariboneagle927 (talk) 08:34, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
- What the above have said seems to be the norm. High School Musical: The Musical: The Series first premiered on ABC and Freeform four days before Disney+ (it's home "network" even launched), yet it's the only one listed in the Infobox. Note that in this case however, the episode table uses the date of the ABC/Freeform release rather than Disney+.
- I agree with Adam. For example, Star Trek: Prodigy season 2 was released on its home network (Netflix) on July 1. However, it had been released entirely on france.tv in March, but this doesn't make it the home network. Same for the Walking Dead series' - (if I remember correctly) the episodes are released on AMC+ online a day or two before their AMC broadcast, but AMC still remains the home network. -- Alex_21 TALK 22:34, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
edit request: seasons and episodes aired
[edit]i'm told num_episodes (and presumably num_seasons) is for aired count, not how many have been scheduled, but the infobox only says No. of seasons, No. of episodes. Could we change the template to say No. of seasons aired and No. of episodes aired? so editors like me don't put the wrong number, and readers like me won't misunderstand what the infobox means to say?
Actually, No. of seasons aired could imply whole seasons, not counting a current season which hasn't finished airing in its entirety. Maybe Current or most recently aired season?
Wishing everyone safe, happy, productive editing. --70.22.1.45 (talk) 17:27, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
- This is a common issue, but it is only really an issue while a season is being released. I'm not sure it makes sense to make the wording more complicated for a temporary issue. - adamstom97 (talk) 18:39, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
- (Will @Adamstom.97: and @Adamstom97: both work?)
- Some shows go on summer break, so the "temporary issue" while a season is being released lasts 9 months per year. Other shows do not take a summer hiatus: for example, don't Sesame Street, The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, and soap operas air new episodes year round?
- Wikipedia:The deadline is now.
- Wikipedia:There is no deadline.
- G2G
- Wishing everyone safe, happy, productive editing. --70.22.1.45 (talk) 01:40, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- This is expanded upon in the documentation. I don't think we should add to the infobox parameter name. We can keep it concise to how it is listed currently. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:23, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- It already says on the documentation
The parameter should only be incremented once the first episode of that season or series has aired, or if a reliable source confirms production has commenced.
for|num_seasons=
andThis parameter should only be incremented when new episodes or specials air.
for|num_episodes=
. They both very clear. — YoungForever(talk) 22:12, 19 July 2025 (UTC)- @YoungForever:@Favre1fan93:
- But that documentation is not where the reader or editor is likely to find it. It's like a clear, easy-to-read stop sign in a traffic cop's pocket. i saw an infobox listing a No. of episodes different from what the ==Episodes== section showed, and i changed the infobox to match the article body because nothing where i was reading or editing made it clear No. of episodes meant No. of episodes released. Which brings to mind another question: What about episodes that never air but are officially released some other way, such as DVD or YouTube? The only example that comes to mind right now is Echo (Dollhouse episode) (mentioned in the List of Dollhouse episodes but not counted in the Dollhouse (TV series) infobox), but i suspect others exist.
- Changing No. of episodes to No. of episodes aired only adds 6 characters (and for that matter isn't No. of superfluous, made clear by the fact that the info filling that field is a number?), yet removes confusion from every page using the template. Changing No. of seasons to Latest season actually subtracts a character.
- Wishing everyone safe, happy, productive editing. --70.22.1.45 (talk) 02:12, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
- "Echo" seems more like a special feature released as part of the DVD release, like other featurettes. So not including it in the episode numbering is correct. Including it in List of Dollhouse episodes under "Season 1 (2009)" in my opinion is incorrect, as it isn't part of that season. It's an unaired pilot. If adding it to the episode list article is wanted, it should be its own section. List of Legends of Tomorrow episodes#Season 5 (2020) has an episode that is part of the season but not part of the season numbering. List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer episodes on the other hand, does not list Unaired Buffy the Vampire Slayer pilot in its episode list. Gonnym (talk) 09:59, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
New parameter: "animation_studio"
[edit]- Proposal: Adding "animation_studio" as an optional parameter
Hello everyone,
I would like to propose the inclusion of a new optional parameter to the television infobox template: "animation_studio".
While the current template includes fields such as "production_company" and "distributor", it lacks a dedicated field for the animation studio, which is a distinct and relevant aspect for animated television series. The animation studio often differs from the production company and plays a significant creative and technical role —particularly in cases where a studio’s unique style or contribution is recognizable and consistent across episodes.
Suggested implementation:
- Parameter name: "animation_studio"
- Position in the infobox: After "production_company"
- Purpose: To identify the main animation studio involved in the actual animation production of the series.
Suggested usage guidelines:
The "animation_studio" parameter should be used only when the animated series is primarily animated by a single studio, or when a fixed studio handles a substantial portion of the animation —such as an entire season or the entire series.
Examples of appropriate usage:
- My Adventures with Superman — animated entirely by Studio Mir
- Castlevania: Nocturne — animated entirely by DR Movie
- The Transformers — first two seasons animated by Toei Animation
- The Legend of Korra — all seasons but the second were animated by Studio Mir; season 2 was animated by Pierrot
- Jem — mostly animated by Toei Animation; some episodes animated by AKOM
Examples where the parameter should not be used:
- Care Bears — animated by multiple outsourced studios, varying by episode
- The Mask: Animated Series — outsourced to multiple animation studios without a consistent lead studio across the series
This limitation would help ensure consistency and prevent clutter in the infoboxes of shows where no single studio is clearly responsible for the animation.
If there is community support for this proposal, I would be happy to help with documentation and implementation.
Best regards, TechnoSquirrel69 (talk) 15:52, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
Comment: FYI,
|distributor=
parameter was removed in March 2023. — YoungForever(talk) 21:34, 5 August 2025 (UTC)- I disagree with the creation of this parameter. It would only serve to demonstrate that American animation is outsourced to foreign studios, thereby diminishing the importance of the US in the animation industry. This would make it seem like the United States isn't that important in this segment of the industry, which would jeopardize the sovereignty of American animation. And the English Wikipedia cannot attempt to demean any segment of American cultural sovereignty. 2804:214:88F4:747B:1859:1FF9:FEFE:8CBA (talk) 11:54, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- That has absolutely zero bearing on this project. ButlerBlog (talk) 13:22, 6 August 2025 (UTC)