Talk:Victoria McCloud

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prior name

Per MOS:MULTIPLENAMES, "In the case of transgender and non-binary people, birth names should be included in the lead sentence only when the person was notable prior to coming out." This does not seem to be the case here. As such, I am deleting the name. --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:03, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Birthdate

There was no obvious source being used for the birth date, and the date that was being used (1969) was at odds with this source that we are using which says she was 46 in 2010. As such, I'm removing the information (there's at least enough suspicion that someone had a reason for using that date that I'm not going to try to do a circa-figure based on that reference.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 22:46, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Judge

Not going to touch the article, but it seems the first line of the lede should say 'is a former British judge', since McCloud resigned from the bench today, per The Times in reference 20. The actual reasons for this may be slightly different from those given by McCloud in the Times -- McCloud has made a quite strange and legally incorrect social-media post lately, which would not have been well received by the judiciary. Also the article does not make altogether clear that Master of the King's Bench (McCloud's former rank in the judiciary, now resigned) is quite a junior title. Masters can only hear civil suits, and only at first instance. They do not wear red and are not addressed as Your Lordship but only as Master. Khamba Tendal (talk) 19:48, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. I added the sentence about McCloud's resignation as reported in The Times but I don't know what that means for the title 'Master' now. Also, I understand there have been several complaints to the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office about some posts on LinkedIn but we'll have to wait for some further information on them. Zeno27 (talk) Zeno27 (talk) 22:16, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have done the first sentence, listing her as "retired" rather than "former"; conveys the same information, plus the voluntary nature of it -- Nat Gertler (talk) 22:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'Retired' seems an odd choice as this is usually reserved for someone ending their working career but I don't think we know that's what McCloud is doing. Unless I missed it, I think the references simple say McCloud resigned/standing down as judge. Returning to practice is one possibility as well as taking up some other post. Zeno27 (talk) 22:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A search for "retired judge" on Wikipedia will show you it's used on a fair number of articles where the person went on to do other forms of work. Having said that, I have no strong objection if someone chooses other wording. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 01:12, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it has to be resigned as that's what the sources say. Zeno27 (talk) 10:51, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The info box needs to be updated since McCloud is no longer a King's Bench Master, presumably incumbent, and the coat of arms should be removed? Also, occupation is either unknown or Retired? What are the right changes here? Zeno27 (talk) 11:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the info box should be updated, so I have done this and added a source for McCloud's retirement. Not sure what current occupation should be. The source doesn't say anything. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:27, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for those changes. Maybe just missing out occupation is the right thing as we don't have a definitive answer. It does look odd saying the monarch is George III - it was clearly Elizabeth II when McCloud was appopinted - any idea which it should be? Zeno27 (talk) 12:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taxing master

There is an article for Taxing master, but it mentions only the "Irish government"? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:30, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That will have nothing to do with McCloud. Zeno27 (talk) 12:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, because it's Ireland. But the function, "to assess the legal costs of a party to a legal matter", looks like it might be the same. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think that was McCloud's job. Zeno27 (talk) 13:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The section describing books written by Victoria includes “The White Book”. Victoria was an editor of The White Book, along with a panel of other such legal experts. Even the reference used in the article states Victoria’s role was as an editor. I propose removing reference to The White Book altogether because there is no authorship and editorship is panel based.

Please change: “McCloud wrote the first five editions of the Civil Procedure Handbook, the Surveillance and Intelligence Law Handbook for OUP (as Victoria Williams), and the White Book.”

To: “McCloud wrote the first five editions of the Civil Procedure Handbook and the Surveillance and Intelligence Law Handbook for OUP (as Victoria Williams).” Butterybutterybiscuitbase (talk) 18:01, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:09, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]