Talk:Manfred von Richthofen

Age

The age at death does not add up to the difference between birth year and death year. I don’t know which of the three numbers is in error. 2600:100A:B11F:7E42:71E0:E375:B15F:3289 (talk) 05:01, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

He died 2 weeks before his 26th birthday. May 1892 - April 1918. The numbers I see match. 2600:1700:B9C1:20C0:2870:9614:9F89:A045 (talk) 18:12, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

There was no autopsy

See my revision minutes ago. Autopsy: "thorough Physical examination of a corpse by dissection to determine the cause, mode, and manner of death."

Review of all documents concerning post mortem examinations: https://net.lib.byu.edu/~rdh7/wwi/comment/richt.htm "The orderly told me that the cons. surgeon used a bit of fencing wire which he had pushed along the track of the wound through over the heart. I used the same bit of wire for the same purpose so you see the medical examination was not a thorough one and not a post mortem exam in the ordinary sense of the term. Peter K Burian (talk) 14:24, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Calling the R's "post-mortem examination" an "autopsy" is certainly pushing the conventional definition, but on the other hand, "rough and ready" as it was, it leaves no serious historical (as opposed to judicial) doubt about the precise cause of death. -Soundofmusicals (talk) 23:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

The Red Baron displaying any connections to Jewish People

The act of laying a stone on the grave of a deceased person is of Jewish Origin. It's a beautiful tradition really, and the stones they lay are called "Visitation stones." It's a bereavement practice. A show of sadness, and solemnity for the dead. So, whether the Red Baron was even aware of the origin of this practice, or of their Jewish ancestry, no matter how much, is truly irrelevant. The fact remains that coincidence or not, the practice is Jewish. Therefore there is a Jewish connection to The Red Baron. Furthermore, finding definitive proof of their Jewish ancestry would prove exceedingly difficult given that between the time of their death, and now there was that whole 3rd Reich thing. As we all know during that period records of Jewish ancestry would oftentimes be destroyed, and no this wasn't done out of affection or respect for The Red Baron. No more was it out of respect that they dug him out of his grave to put him in a huge ugly monument with nothing but their family name on the monument to Nazi appropriation of Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen. The are tens of thousands of records out there of individuals with the name Richthofen! It's a testament to how little the 3rd Reich actually cared about one of Germany's most exceptional deceased heroes. They didn't care, and in fact probably disdained the young lost pilot. It was nothing more than an attempt to take advantage of them for propaganda purposes. It wasn't out of respect that they distorted his very likeness either! Painting their red hair blonde, and their green and oftentimes changing hazel eyes to blue was not respectful in the slightest! They used The Red Baron as a tool, and nothing more, just to spread that strange blonde blue eyed obsession of Hitlers. The last discussion got exceptionally antisemitic, and it says more about many posters & their latent antisemitism that the very idea of The Red Baron having even a fraction of Jewish ancestry would cause such aggressive, angry, and exaggerated incredulity. The citations about The Red Baron having Jewish connections were solid enough to have left the Jewish mentions in the article, and it's telling that not even solid sources were good enough to get people to accept even the notion. 2600:4040:79C7:C100:B467:AE3F:255B:D6E3 (talk) 13:12, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

No relevance to this article. Confusion with another site altogether? OK, Looked up the archives, and apparently there WAS a thread about claims of (alleged) Jewish ancestry of R in 2007! Nothing since. Nothing about it in the article due to irrelevance and total lack of any remotely credible reference. -Soundofmusicals (talk) 00:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Manfred wasn't Jewish and there was never any tradition of placing stones on any of his various graves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.6.70.201 (talk) 18:12, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

"Ace of aces"

The article says " He is considered the ace-of-aces of the war, being officially credited with 80 air combat victories."

There were at least two Japanese aces with more than that, Sakai Saburo and I forget the other guy's name, Nishizawa or something like that. So, maybe change it to say "preeminent ace of the European theater"?2600:6C50:800:25:2137:F732:1D0B:49DC (talk) 03:53, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

Wrong war. Saburo Sakai (64 claims) and Hiroyoshi Nishizawa (113 claims) were both Japanese aces of the Second World War. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.6.70.201 (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

I confirm that you're right.

"Saburō Sakai" was active during "Second World War".

He couldn't be active in the course of "First World War" because he's born in 1916 when WWI was ongoing.

In the case of "Hiroyoshi Nishizawa". He's born in 1920 after the end of WWI. Anatole-berthe (talk) 20:22, 6 June 2025 (UTC)